Sa'ib Waseem - Enoxus and Aeteok

[Runelaron]

<p>Im just going to say im not much of a lore uff right off the bat but I would like to know whats going on with this story line so far.</p><p>1. I never saw the Shissar calender. And im currently working on the Claymore and Soulfire quest lines.</p><p>So from what I know from the fan fair is Sa'ib Waseem takes the power from Enoxus and Aeteok.</p><p>And now hes headed off to Velious. So my question is Who is left in the higharchy of powerful beings to deal with?</p><p>I know mistmoor is up to something but hes trying to go on his own tangent witch will probably pick up after the Swords of Destiny timeline.</p><p>But im confused on who else could be involved with needing the power of those swords, and on top of that im not a top tier raider so i have no clue what happend to Lucan.</p><p>So can anyone help me kind of fill in the suspects?</p><p>Anashti Sul - Dispersed</p><p>Roehn Theer - Dead or Cleansed?</p><p>Kerafyrm - Dead/Weekend from Luclin</p><p>Mistmoor - On his own Vendetta</p><p>D'Lere - ????</p><p>Thanks</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>erm.. it was <span>Kerafyrm who stole the power from Enoxus and Aeteok</span></p><p>was never involved with Luclin</p><p>and Anashti'Sul is still around.</p>

[Aneova]

<p><cite>Runelaron wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Im just going to say im not much of a lore uff right off the bat but I would like to know whats going on with this story line so far.</p><p>1. I never saw the Shissar calender. And im currently working on the Claymore and Soulfire quest lines.</p><p>So from what I know from the fan fair is Sa'ib Waseem takes the power from Enoxus and Aeteok.</p><p>And now hes headed off to Velious. So my question is Who is left in the higharchy of powerful beings to deal with?</p><p>I know mistmoor is up to something but hes trying to go on his own tangent witch will probably pick up after the Swords of Destiny timeline.</p><p>But im confused on who else could be involved with needing the power of those swords, and on top of that im not a top tier raider so i have no clue what happend to Lucan.</p><p>So can anyone help me kind of fill in the suspects?</p><p>Anashti Sul - Dispersed, <span style="color: #339966;">Then reformed on Norrath in new role as Goddess of Undeath</span></p><p>Roehn Theer - Dead or Cleansed?</p><p>Kerafyrm - <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Dead/Weekend from Luclin,</span> <span style="color: #339966;">Awake and on the move after absorbing the powers of Roehn Theer's blades</span><span style="text-decoration: line-through;"></span></p><p>Mistmoor - On his own Vendetta</p><p>D'Lere - <span style="color: #339966;">Back in his Citadel after we rescued him in Palace</span></p><p>Thanks</p></blockquote><p>There ya go <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Who the heck is Sa'ib Waseem? Where did that name come from?</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>Sa'ib Waseem doesn't take the power from Enoxus and Aeteok -- he's just an Erudite researcher who helps you unlock how to transfer the power of your epic weapon into yourself (the Enervated questline). This ability is then used by Kerafym, who enlists your aid as you seek Lucan's abductors by disguising himself as Fyr'remd Lorak in Quel'ule -- you basically serve as the distraction, the fodder that takes Rhoen Theer down while he waits safely in the shadows. Once Theer is defeated, he steps in and steals the power of the swords for himself.</p><p>Lucan is more or less the damsel in distress (tho not nearly as cute in a dress as Antonia <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />) -- Theer took him to reclaim Soulfire, which is also known as Aeteok (the Claymore is also known as Enoxus ... or do I have those names switched? too dang cold to remember atm hehe!). Lucan claims to have simply been loitering around for an opportunity to get his sword back, of course <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>Both of these weapons belonged to Theer before he was bansihed to the Void, long before anything we could call recorded history, and together they empowered Theer with the ability to permanently slay a god. That power has now been infused into Kerafyrm, using the same technique Sa'in teaches us when we enervate our mythical weapons.</p><p>His theft of this power and his presence in Velious are believed to be key moments in the End of Ages, a prophesy by the ancient Shissar that predicts the complete destruction of Norrath.</p><p>Mistmoore is working on the same "quest" we are currently enaged in -- deciphering the clues that foretell the End of Ages. Whether he intends to prevent the prophesied destruction or initiate it is still up for argument.... he's not exactly the most open guy in Norrath -- tho he does get excessively chatty sometimes (you'll see what I mean later on in the Soulfire quests) <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p><p>You can get a much better "nutshell" overview by going to Paineel and speaking to The Duality -- the spirits of Al'Kabor and Dartain who now share a single body. He will give you a nice series of quests that reveals much of the known lore to you, through dialogue and tomes you read, and culminates with your discovery of the way to reach Velious to continue pursuit of Kerafyrm.</p><p>Oh, and he sticks you with a dead/tired turtle too. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Oh right, him.</p>

[Anaogi]

Just to throw this out there, before Lucan had Aeteok, it was in the hands of the leader of the Rallosian army that besieged Freeport before getting the Greenmist laid on 'em. That late worthy received it from Zek himself; Soulfire, as it was known, was as much a symbol of Lucan's might as a source of it. Obviously, having the sword wrested from the chosen champion of the god of War gave him a lot of the oomph he needed to mold Freeport into what it was today--and having it sucked dry will be, to say the least, politically inconvenient. Now he's looking for a replacement. How convenient Zek seems to be stepping up his own schemes and turning up in Velious, no? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rainmare]

<p>My theory on Zek showing up is he's going to make a go for Kerafrym. He's probably under the, and I bet wrong, assumption that while Kera may possess the powers of the Sword of Destiny...he won't be able to effectively use them. Zek will probably try to kill/disable Kera, attempt to draw out the powers either to himself, or place them back in the swords since he knows Lucan and Antonia will never work together on the level they'd need to in order to unite them as a threat again.</p><p>Gotta remember Zek and Sol Ro's idea when this all started was wipe us out and simply remake the world. (Age's End maybe) the other gods basically told them no. Zek attempting to claim the power to kill other divine beings with a snap of his fingers might be his plan to do exactly like he originally wanted...without any of the other deities being able to put the brakes on.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>Zek knows all too well what Kerafyrm was <em>before</em>;  even he would have to consider direct confrontation a suicide mission as it stands.  It seems more likely he's looking for something to use against Kerafyrm, likely a bid for self-preservation if nothing else.  (There's still the issue of what the Vigilant was going to be used for, but that's a subject for another time.)</p><p>Which, of course, may give <em>someone else</em> an opportunity to settle an old score...</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>Does Rallos Zek really fear anything? He raided the Plane of Earth, a Greater Plane. He had the gall to obliterate the mortals and start over. And he's got the entire Deathfist and Rujarkian Empires backing him, along with probably the Ry'Gorr and the giants of Kael Drakkel, plus the remnants of the ogres (other than the Thullosians and fire ogres, I think). Not to mention... Sullon Zek, Tallon Zek, Vallon Zek, Gorynn Zek, Derris Zek, and Rolfron Zek, six other gods (though demigods), behind his every move. And if he wanted to, he could probably pull some strings with Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does Rallos Zek really fear anything? He raided the Plane of Earth, a Greater Plane. He had the gall to obliterate the mortals and start over. And he's got the entire Deathfist and Rujarkian Empires backing him, along with probably the Ry'Gorr and the giants of Kael Drakkel, plus the remnants of the ogres (other than the Thullosians and fire ogres, I think). Not to mention... Sullon Zek, Tallon Zek, Vallon Zek, Gorynn Zek, Derris Zek, and Rolfron Zek, six other gods (though demigods), behind his every move. And if he wanted to, he could probably pull some strings with Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk.</p></blockquote><p>He feared Rhoen Theer (with the godslaying weapons) enough to banish him to the void.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>I don't think our current pantheon banished Roehn Theer. There was probably a series of gods created prior to them which had power to contest him slightly.. a stronger set of gods that ended up banishing him.</p><p>The Nameless probably took note of this and created a pantheon unable to contest him, which is why they are so scared.</p><p>What's stopping them from simply re-banishing him, after all?</p><p>I made a post about this recently. The 4 runes in Roehn Theer's room apparently restrict his power, and they are the essences of the gods that locked him up.</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>hmmm... makes me wonder if perhaps there's more in Velious than just dragons and dwarves and giants (oh my!). Perhaps the draw for both Zek and Kerafyrm isn't confrontation, but rather something powerful that both need or want, either to destroy each other or to prevent the other from destroying them....</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>Don't send just any god to destroy this threat. Send the God of War.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't think our current pantheon banished Roehn Theer. There was probably a series of gods created prior to them which had power to contest him slightly.. a stronger set of gods that ended up banishing him.</p><p>The Nameless probably took note of this and created a pantheon unable to contest him, which is why they are so scared.</p><p>What's stopping them from simply re-banishing him, after all?</p><p>I made a post about this recently. The 4 runes in Roehn Theer's room apparently restrict his power, and they are the essences of the gods that locked him up.</p></blockquote><p>And what exactly would of gotten rid of that more powerful prior pathenon? The Nameless created Rohen Theer to do this in the first place. If the Nameless cared enough to take action, he could of just released Theer from the void. Easier than doing it himself. The Nameless is best known for doing NOTHING. Lazy.</p><p>We don't know when Theer was banished. It is possible that he was banished before Norrath was populated, but then it doesn't make any sense why Norrath is so central to his plans. It is possible that Theer is older than the gods of influence but younger than the elemental gods. I find that unlikely mainly because the elemental gods are in ballance and don't strive to take over the otehr elemental dieties' domain. I find it much more likely that Theer would of been created in response to the bickering that comes with the gods of influence which puts him as one of the newest dieties, with only the Marr twins being younger than Theer as they are real late comers to Norrath. Possibly Bert and Rocet are newer as well.</p><p>As for re-banishing Theer, it probably wasn't that easy to do in the first place. Most likely it involved the same thing that Inny's attempt to murder Mithanial Marr did: a trick. Gods normally can't kill another diety. If they could, Inny would be pitting gods against each other constantly trying to bump everybody else off so he could rule everything. Rallos Zek would be killing other dieties. So they need some situation where they can. If multiple gods worked together the can definately trap another god, and if the situation is right they could probably banished that god to the void. But when that god has the power to slay them...you would have to be very careful or the entire trap could fail due to key personal dying in a very untimely manner.</p><p>As for the nature of the runes, while your theory is possible it isn't supported by in-game lore as far as I know. Now if you would like to make a case for it and point to in-game sources as refrences I'd love to hear it. Conjecture gives us something to think about, but reporting it as fact doesn't help us get to "the truth" (whatever that may be, this week).</p>

[Beastmage]

<p>while this is not evidence that these are the gods that banished him, they are definitely gods.</p><p><img src="http://usera.imagecave.com/beastmage/4rt.jpg" width="511" height="313" /></p>

[Wilin]

<p>One possible explanation would be that the 4 gods were sacrificed(voluntary or not) in order to bind their power to the runes. That may also explain why the current gods don't simply do it again.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible explanation would be that the 4 gods were sacrificed(voluntary or not) in order to bind their power to the runes. That may also explain why the current gods don't simply do it again.</p></blockquote><p>Or these could be the only 4 dieties that Theer has ever slayed. By defiling each rune that represents those slain dieties Theer is able to call upon their raw power (which is almost litterally what Theer is saying above). I doubt the runes were created in an attempt to bind Theer.</p>

[Wilin]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible explanation would be that the 4 gods were sacrificed(voluntary or not) in order to bind their power to the runes. That may also explain why the current gods don't simply do it again.</p></blockquote><p>Or these could be the only 4 dieties that Theer has ever slayed. By defiling each rune that represents those slain dieties Theer is able to call upon their raw power (which is almost litterally what Theer is saying above). I doubt the runes were created in an attempt to bind Theer.</p></blockquote><p>Could be. Hopefully, we'll find out at some point.</p><p><cite>Laresh@Nektulos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>while this is not evidence that these are the gods that banished him, they are definitely gods.</p><p><img src="http://usera.imagecave.com/beastmage/4rt.jpg" width="511" height="313" /></p></blockquote><p>BTW, anyone else notice that this Theer has 5 runes? Did I miss the 5 Rune Theer on the Marketplace? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Jait]

<p>I know it's semantics, but shouldn't it really be Discord instead of Chaos?  The whole concept of Norrath existing in the middle of Order and Discord was talked about by Kendrick and others on the Safehouse LONG before EQ2.  It's not just a post Planes of Power concept.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know it's semantics, but shouldn't it really be Discord instead of Chaos?  The whole concept of Norrath existing in the middle of Order and Discord was talked about by Kendrick and others on the Safehouse LONG before EQ2.  It's not just a post Planes of Power concept.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe the devs took a long hard look at Gates of Discord and decided to go in a different direction. Discord didn't play so well with a lot of people.</p>

[WildiwenBloodbriar]

<p>There were Priests of Discord in EQ1 before PoP came along. Just figured I'd toss that in.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Speaking of the PoD people, what is their function in EQ2? Mah lvl 40 gnecro spotted a pair in Goro while doing the Decor quest and they had quests for her (didn't do any more than hail them and read their first spiel)</span></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>the discord people in EQ2 are questgivers for Battlegrounds.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">That will explain them hanging around the BG merchants, have no interest in the BGs so will add them to the /ignore_quest-giver file <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (the BeeGee's on the other hand, great group, really enjoy their music)</span></p>