Match making system is horrendous.

[erratic]

<p>With no point in doing normal instances lately I decided to try some battle grounds.</p><p>First match:</p><p>6 v 5 in gears</p><p>Paladin, SK, Ranger, Fury, Defiler, Warlock</p><p>VS</p><p>Swash, Warlock, Wizard, Dirge, Templar</p><p>Second Match</p><p>5 v 5 in gears</p><p>SK, Bruiser, Templar, Fury, Ranger</p><p>VS</p><p>Swash, Swash, Dirge, Ranger, Wizard</p><p>I'd like to see the match making system at least attempt to balance healer and tank classes between the 2 groups.</p>

[StaticLex]

<p>Hey look another matchmaking complaint thread.. I wonder if this has been done before?!</p><p>Anyway, here's a little heads up:  People probably bail or LD while the match is loading.  There is no way for soe to account for this.  The best they can do is hope the person comes back or another XYZ class qeues up.  If that doesn't happen then you have a dud of a match and will have to make a decision.  You can stand around dying 25 times for the next 15 minutes for 1 token or.. you can do what I do and leave.  Get a drink and or surf the web for 5 minutes until the truancy goes away and then re-qeue.  It's not painful nor is it rocket science, honest!</p>

[Rahatmattata]

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[mrsma]

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[Morogoth Drakul]

<p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hey look another matchmaking complaint thread.. I wonder if this has been done before?!</p><p>Anyway, here's a little heads up:  People probably bail or LD while the match is loading.  There is no way for soe to account for this.  The best they can do is hope the person comes back or another XYZ class qeues up.  If that doesn't happen then you have a dud of a match and will have to make a decision.  You can stand around dying 25 times for the next 15 minutes for 1 token or.. you can do what I do and leave.  Get a drink and or surf the web for 5 minutes until the truancy goes away and then re-qeue.  It's not painful nor is it rocket science, honest!</p></blockquote><p>this^</p><p>the matchmaking system matches in a healer automatically. this i know for sure. however, it cant take into account people hitting decline, going LD while zoning, or the timer on the popup window expiring. the matching system can only wait for more people to join after that. in this kinda case i usually just chill up on the ledge and either chat with the team or go get a drink and do other stuff while waiting for the match to end.  it is possible to win a match on all dps, but it can be relatively hard to do unless you get match with some ppl that you know are geared decently.</p>

[Cerithian]

<p>Your problem is you're accepting Gears matches.  If you see Gears pop up just decline and wait for SD or Ganak.  Mismatches happen in Ganak and SD but with FAR LESS frequency.  It's just far easier to avoid gears altogether.  Chances are you will just be farming yourself out for tokens on gears anyway since that is where most of the stacked groups focus their attention on.</p><p>Say no to gears.</p>

[Morogoth Drakul]

<p><cite>Cerithian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">Your problem is you're accepting Gears matches.  If you see Gears pop up just decline and wait for SD or Ganak</span>.  Mismatches happen in Ganak and SD but with FAR LESS frequency.  It's just far easier to avoid gears altogether.  Chances are you will just be farming yourself out for tokens on gears anyway since that is where most of the stacked groups focus their attention on.</p><p>Say no to gears.</p></blockquote><p>your problem is your bad advice. this is why gears is mismatched in the first place. if the system finds the people and they take your advice to decline then you are screwing over the people that hit accept. thereby creating more posts like this one.</p><p>do us all a favor and stop giving advice.</p>

[Cerithian]

<p><cite>Morogoth Drakul wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cerithian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">Your problem is you're accepting Gears matches.  If you see Gears pop up just decline and wait for SD or Ganak</span>.  Mismatches happen in Ganak and SD but with FAR LESS frequency.  It's just far easier to avoid gears altogether.  Chances are you will just be farming yourself out for tokens on gears anyway since that is where most of the stacked groups focus their attention on.</p><p>Say no to gears.</p></blockquote><p>your problem is your bad advice. this is why gears is mismatched in the first place. if the system finds the people and they take your advice to decline then you are screwing over the people that hit accept. thereby creating more posts like this one.</p><p>do us all a favor and stop giving advice.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry but the problem with Gears is it is the favorite place for people who stack groups to go farm out tokens.  That is the reason people decline it in the first place.  As long as people stack groups and farm out tokens then people will continue to decline Gears to avoid the pre-forms.  Since people will never voluntarily stop stacking groups then gears will never stop being a frustrating place to pug for bg's.  So if you are pugging just avoid the aggravation and decline gears and problem solved.  For those that whine and cry that declining gears is ruining that map then go whine and cry to SOE to revamp the matchmaker, not to those of us who are avoiding the map.</p>

[BetaTester]

<p>'premade' against pickups has to stop . 3  for 20 last night , 1 for 6 tonight .</p><p>I'm at the point where I tell people to stay on the respawn , grab a cup of coffee and make them wait on the relic timer</p><p>another bright SOE idea from fail street</p>

[Jab]

<p><cite>mrsmall wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://www.dandi-lion-playzone.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/headbanging.gif" /></p></blockquote><p>HAhahah..</p><p>I almost rolled of my chair..</p><p>A picture speaks a thousand words =)</p>

[Tenka]

<p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hey look another matchmaking complaint thread.. I wonder if this has been done before?!</p><p>Anyway, here's a little heads up:  People probably bail or LD while the match is loading.  There is no way for soe to account for this.  The best they can do is hope the person comes back or another XYZ class qeues up.  If that doesn't happen then you have a dud of a match and will have to make a decision.  You can stand around dying 25 times for the next 15 minutes for 1 token or.. you can do what I do and leave.  Get a drink and or surf the web for 5 minutes until the truancy goes away and then re-qeue.  It's not painful nor is it rocket science, honest!</p></blockquote>

[Dasein]

<p><cite>BetaTester wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>'premade' against pickups has to stop . 3  for 20 last night , 1 for 6 tonight .</p><p>I'm at the point where I tell people to stay on the respawn , grab a cup of coffee and make them wait on the relic timer</p><p>another bright SOE idea from fail street</p></blockquote><p>So what's the alternative? While we would like the matchmaking system to be better, SOE has to weigh a number of factors - if it takes too long for a match to form, people will abandon the queue to do something else. Neither can SOE lock people into the queue - they want to retain player freedom. Further, they need to be able to accomodate pre-made groups of any size up to the limit of the BG, so if you have 3 people grouped together, those people need to be in the same group.</p>

[DMIstar]

<p>Gears sucks, Hit Decline and not feed the Farmers ... Plus if more people do this then get back on que, the more the pool will raise and open up Ganak and Smugglers rather then trying to shift people into Gears.</p>

[Tenka]

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[Nayawk]

<p>What they need to do and what people have been asking for since BGs went in, is a check box next to each instance.. want to do gears and smugglers but hate ganak.. check those two and it pops up the first available of the two.</p><p>That way you dont have to do waste your time and possibly screw up other peoples games by queing for first available and declining if it pops the one you hate.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>Dunno why people, healers in particular, dislike gears.  That's the only BG I do on my healer.  Every other one 99% of the time you get a mentally challenged group that runs away from you and dies alot, frustrates the hell out of me.</p>

[BetaTester]

<p>as soon as people realized there was a premade in the que , it emptied out and gears shut down for the night</p>

[Avianna]

<p>for those of you that say oh I am just gonna wait up top, it's uneven whatever. Yeah that happens to us all, But if you do find yourself in a mismatched game do what I do run out and see who on your team can die the most. It is not like you gotta mend after the match AND you get a token AND letting the other team kill you racks their points up faster so the match is over quickly. You can farm your token and que up again even faster. I say this from experience, I have a fully geared 50-59 BG toon I run and still get my but handed to me every now and then. that is when I pop my macro to strip my armor and kamakazie it to the end baby! it's actually quite fun</p><p>Better than standing up top waiting for the relic to tick the points away.</p><p>Have fun and good luck,</p><p>~Avi</p>

[nastymatt]

<p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dunno why people, healers in particular, dislike gears.  That's the only BG I do on my healer.  Every other one 99% of the time you get a mentally challenged group that runs away from you and dies alot, frustrates the hell out of me.</p></blockquote><p>I know two healers who love gears, they just stand in the middle and mash buttons.. simple. Me as a sin I truly hate gears. There will no doubt be two healers on the other team and 2 tanks. So for 700 points I stand there being taunted no matter where I stand between two tanks who are unkillable.</p><p>If I ever manage to target a healer I get 2 maybe 3 hits off before I am back on a tank. Try doing positionals when you change targets/ can't change target/no target every 3 seconds.</p><p>Even with a premade I don't enjoy it. It just becomes a race to the middle at the start, followed by either melting the other team for a 700 v 0 win or if they are decent 700 points of seeing who can grab the relic next. Zero strategy.</p>

[Tenka]

<p><cite>Avianna@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>for those of you that say oh I am just gonna wait up top, it's uneven whatever. Yeah that happens to us all, But if you do find yourself in a mismatched game do what I do run out and see who on your team can die the most. It is not like you gotta mend after the match AND you get a token AND letting the other team kill you racks their points up faster so the match is over quickly. You can farm your token and que up again even faster. I say this from experience, I have a fully geared 50-59 BG toon I run and still get my but handed to me every now and then. that is when I pop my macro to strip my armor and kamakazie it to the end baby! it's actually quite fun</p><p>Better than standing up top waiting for the relic to tick the points away.</p><p>Have fun and good luck,</p><p>~Avi</p></blockquote><p>i wait up top, tab out, and look at e bay or something.  if it's a solid pre made i mean.  i won't feed anyone's ego.  grats you can beat up on a mish-mash of pug'd ppl.  if it's a less than stellar pre made, ie doesn't blow my whole group up in a couple seconds, then i will fight them.</p>

[BetaTester]

<p>premade got in three rounds before the que emptied and bg shut down</p><p>working as intended ?</p>

[Yimway]

<p>Get rid of the accept window, if you queued, you queued.  Stop your queue if you no longer want to play.  If you don't want to queue for any, chose the one you want.   A selection system would be nice, but I honestly don't see that happening until they add more zones (if they ever add more).</p><p>Make truancy grow by 5 minutes for each one you get in a 24 hour period. </p><p>The frequency in which truancy is being abused is significantly higher today than it was 3 months ago and I see no reason for that to trend any differently going forward. </p><p>I read that condition to be an indication that truancy does not have sufficient penalty associated with it.</p>

[Striikor]

<p><cite>Tenka@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avianna@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>for those of you that say oh I am just gonna wait up top, it's uneven whatever. Yeah that happens to us all, But if you do find yourself in a mismatched game do what I do run out and see who on your team can die the most. It is not like you gotta mend after the match AND you get a token AND letting the other team kill you racks their points up faster so the match is over quickly. You can farm your token and que up again even faster. I say this from experience, I have a fully geared 50-59 BG toon I run and still get my but handed to me every now and then. that is when I pop my macro to strip my armor and kamakazie it to the end baby! it's actually quite fun</p><p>Better than standing up top waiting for the relic to tick the points away.</p><p>Have fun and good luck,</p><p>~Avi</p></blockquote><p>i wait up top, tab out, and look at e bay or something.  if it's a solid pre made i mean.  i won't feed anyone's ego.  grats you can beat up on a mish-mash of pug'd ppl.  if it's a less than stellar pre made, ie doesn't blow my whole group up in a couple seconds, then i will fight them.</p></blockquote><p>Running into a premade (particularly fully gear and most particularly in gears) is simply a waste of time. I am not going to feed thier kill count and reward them. If I am with an <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">unsurvivable</span></strong> group I am going to bail and not waste my time. The other day had a premade from nafgen and one from some other server (don't remember which one) camping gears all morning 8am to noon. They had to have gotten thier kill count for the daily quest several times over. So I bailed, let them do one an other. I went and did Ganak and SD for the rest of the morning until they left.</p><p>Fine I will check in on occasion as I run Ganak or SD. When they finally quit camping I will run a few to get my tokens quest up date done then .... not before. I went back in the afternoon and got my quest updates in 3 sessions. If I had stayed I would have gotten NO updates all morning.</p><p>Atan is right, it is easier just to bail and take the penalty time than it is to waste 10 or 15 minutes getting killed over and over, and get 1 token for you trouble. If they raise the penalty time I don't think will will make a difference on how I respond. Unless of course they made it a 30 minute penalty, then I would simply quit BG'ing altogether. But that may be a good thing, get more peeps out of BG mania and back into instancing. Aye thinking about it, make it a 30 minute penalty!</p><p>If you think that is bad gaming philosophy then you're probably one who tries to solo Oxdaxius over and over, enjoying it. Although I can see that as more enjoyable as you are not locked in to die over and over .... you can just leave once you are tired of it and nobody will think the worse of you.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>Dude, your a Rainjar.</p>

[Striikor]

<p>Well Yes and No... Most the time I BG as a Mystic <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Lethe5683]

<p>It's the match queuing system that is broken, they need to add an option to queue for multiple instances without queuing for them all.  It's all the people who choose "first available" then decline whenever gears comes up that causes these screwed up groups.</p>

[BetaTester]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's the match queuing system that is broken, they need to add an option to queue for multiple instances without queuing for them all.  It's all the people who choose "first available" then decline whenever gears comes up that causes these screwed up groups.</p></blockquote><p>the queing system is broken , as you describe , but its also broken allowing premades against pickups .</p><p>your always going to have a mix of players .  groups with 3 rangers that didn't output 10k between them , or tanks in treasured with missing slots and couldn't find a taunt with two hands , heals that don't know what a cure is , and top the healed parse </p><p>they deserve to learn , to gear up , or just to play as scrubs .</p><p>it's the rest of us that shouldn't get stuck in those pickup groups against premades , all to often without a tank or healer , or both .</p><p>some of the match ups are pretty funny , when none of the premades are on ...</p>

[DMIstar]

<p>The Premade farmers can cry a river all day long if they want to for Gears not being sufficient in qued players for thier farming needs. Its thier choice to hide away from Ganak and Smugglers due to thier failure rate would go up~</p><p>If your solo and want a real match with real work, Decline Gears and let the que populate more for the other two to open up plain and simple... Hopefully one day we will get a check box system to choose which to que to.</p><p>Theres no reasoning to feed into gears farmers just because the window pops up saying to join in. ~</p>