AA's are resetting when people zone [Archive]

Kordran

12-10-2010, 05:08 AM

I'm having this happen on a low level alt, not when he zones but when he camps and then comes back into the game. All of his buffs are stripped and his AAs are reset. This didn't happen with my other toons, but the only difference is that this particular guy temporarily had the "xx" on the end of his name.Edit: And it sounds like this is happening to more than a few people on Everfrost. Just asked about it in level chat. Hopefully it's something they'll be able to fix quickly.

Pakhet

12-10-2010, 08:03 AM

Has been happening to my guildies since before the merger, so not a merger bug... just an annoying one. Did OV a few weeks ago and the tank went LD, came back and had to spend all his AA points before we could continue lol

Morghus

12-10-2010, 08:35 AM

Not sure if it's accurate, but I've heard from some people that this is tied with setting up your AAs while the UI option is turned on for not displaying AA allocation confirmation.

Ziva

12-10-2010, 08:47 AM

The same thing is happening to me when I log into the game. Also on everfrost server.

erinn

12-10-2010, 09:32 AM

My character (Erinn) on Everfrost now has this bug. Every time I log off/back on (even if I do /camp Erinn), all my AA skills are reset and my buffs have dropped, including poison.I did NOT have this issue yesterday. It seems to have started when I took the closet to go to Frostfell Wonderland this morning - as soon as I zoned in I noticed my buffs were gone.

Ziva

12-10-2010, 10:48 AM

I just finished logging in all the toons on both of my accounts, and the AA still resets everytime on my main toon but all the others are working fine. I filed a petition a few hours ago.Guess I'll make sure to log my main out near an aa mirror for now. lol

Kordran

12-10-2010, 03:35 PM

Any word from a dev that this is being looked into?

erinn

12-10-2010, 08:56 PM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any word from a dev that this is being looked into?</blockquote>I spoke with a GM about it - she was investigating, and said it was being escalated. Later I got an email response to my petition stating that the Dev team had figured out the issue and were working on it.

Blakkmantis

12-10-2010, 08:57 PM

<cite>Erinn@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any word from a dev that this is being looked into?</blockquote>I spoke with a GM about it - she was investigating, and said it was being escalated. Later I got an email response to my petition stating that the Dev team had figured out the issue and were working on it.</blockquote>Good news indeed, as this happened to me today too for the first time.

Rothgar

12-10-2010, 09:01 PM

We are indeed looking into it and posted about it in the merge thread. Although, it looks like its not related to the merge at all.For those of you that just started having this problem recently, did you all go into the Frostfell zone? I saw one reply that said it happened after zoning in there. We know why its happening, we are just looking for the catalyst.

Blakkmantis

12-10-2010, 09:03 PM

At first I thought it might have been frostfell that caused it when talking to guildies who were all having this same issue, and all were in the Frostfell zone, but my alt that just had it happen to today, has never been there. In fact no toon of mine on that whole account has been there yet, as far as I can remember. So doubt thats it.

slippery

12-10-2010, 09:51 PM

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>We are indeed looking into it and posted about it in the merge thread. Although, it looks like its not related to the merge at all.For those of you that just started having this problem recently, did you all go into the Frostfell zone? I saw one reply that said it happened after zoning in there. We know why its happening, we are just looking for the catalyst.</blockquote>I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that either. I had this problem some time back on one of my characters, and to my knowledge people have been having this problem for the better part of this expansion.Basically how it happened for me was I respec'd using the respec npc in the guild hall (I want to say right after getting a spec from the mirror in my house). At some point later when I logged in my AA's had been reset (if it has any bearing, to exit the game I likely /quit as having multiple accounts that is the easiest way for me to get to a character on another account due to using the .exe, not the patcher). It happened a few times camping between characters. To get it to go away I hit the mirror in my house again and it stopped respec'ing me.I'm pretty sure another guild mate also stopped the problem by hitting their mirror. I kind of want to say the problem lies somewhere between (or a combination of) the mirror and the respec npc (or possibly more specifically the amenity).

Amnerys

12-10-2010, 09:57 PM

Doh, missed seeing Rothgar's post above. Nothing to see here...move along. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Teddy

12-10-2010, 10:12 PM

All my toons have been in Frostfell Village but had not gone in yet today when this started happening to me. Three of my toons got an aa pt this morning (Fri 12/10). All three of them subsequently had their aa pts reset after I logged off them .. even if I would re-spend them they wouldn't stay allocated, every time I logged one of those toons in I lost my aa. Didn't notice a loss of buffs, poisons etc. The common denominator in my case was getting awarded an aa point today.

Resjik

12-10-2010, 10:35 PM

3rd time logging into game since the merger, and 3rd time my AA's have been reset. Also, all buffs have been dropped except food/drink and my journeyman's cloak speed buff of 25%. This did not happen before the merge, and is not happening to my other alts. When I logged in the first time and noticed it, a few others in chat thought it might be affecting certain classes (I play a 59 wizzie), as some other wizzies had the same issue. Currently at 96 AA's. Will have to rebuff individual spells and harvesting tools as well as put all points back to their same spot. Never had this issue before the merge. Also, have not been in Frostfell with this toon or any alts.AduniEverfrost server (original member).

Tigress

12-10-2010, 10:40 PM

Katz

12-10-2010, 10:51 PM

When I logged in today, after your evening hotfix, my aa's were reset. I don't know what the reset was associated with. They were reset when I logged in so I hadn't done anything today. Yesterday the last things I did before logging out were, go to frostfell villiage and talk to santa glug, call to guild hall, zone to my house using the guild hall amenity, use my respec mirror, zone to guild hall using guild hall door item, use rally flag to go to vasty deep, go through vasty deep conservatory quests, call to guild hall, use guild hall travel amenity to my house and then use respec mirror to go back to my other build. Then I logged out while still in my house.Edit: Everytime I log in now it acts like I respec'd ...listing all my spells but they are reset with zero aa's allocated.This toon is truely glitched now. Another person in the guild says their toon has reset 5 times now.

erinn

12-11-2010, 12:33 AM

<cite>slippery wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm pretty sure another guild mate also stopped the problem by hitting their mirror. I kind of want to say the problem lies somewhere between (or a combination of) the mirror and the respec npc (or possibly more specifically the amenity).</blockquote>Neither of my characters own mirrors. Nor have either of my characters affected by this used respec NPC's.

Katz

12-11-2010, 01:38 AM

I tried using the mirror to stop it.....didn't work.

thial

12-11-2010, 02:38 AM

This has been happening to me for the last few days and all i do is sit in the guild hall or halas and wait for BG's Only thing i did out of the ordianry was read my mail and take the candy cane but I have not started the quest. iIve tried the mirror doesn't work I will delete the candy cane than try another bg, it doesn't happen when i zone to the BG just when I am coming back to everfrost.

Ziva

12-11-2010, 10:15 AM

I'm still having this problem today. I haven't been in frostfell this year. I've used the aa mirror several times that doesnt help me. The rest of toons work fine, it's just my main thats messed up.

Mustang8259

12-11-2010, 12:34 PM

Seriously, can we get this fixed please?!? It's obviously still happening for me to be posting about it this morning... I know Rothgar was on Everfrost last night trying to track down the catalyst for the AA epic resetting fail, but has anyone heard anything since then? I've seen no other info regarding a possible downtime for a fix or anything else communicated from the Devs but what what was posted above previously. Are they gonna have people come in and try and fix this on the weekend? Or are we gonna have to put up with this crap till Monday?

Tenilar

12-11-2010, 01:05 PM

Myself and guildmates are having the same issue. It seems to only occur on characters who have been in the frostfell village this year and consequently gained 1 or more AA points. Hopefully that helps you guys pinpoint and fix the issue asap. Cheers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ziva

12-11-2010, 01:53 PM

I have not been in the frostfell village this year, but im pretty sur i gained an AA point the night that frostfell started.

Katz

12-11-2010, 03:46 PM

<cite>Tenilar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Myself and guildmates are having the same issue. It seems to only occur on characters who have been in the frostfell village this year and consequently gained 1 or more AA points. Hopefully that helps you guys pinpoint and fix the issue asap. Cheers <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Well, all my toons went to frostfell and only one is glitched. And the one that is glitched was max aa so she hasnt gained any. Other toons that went to frostfell and later gained an aa arent glitched. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" />Can't seem to find one thing that is common to glitched toons only.

slippery

12-11-2010, 04:54 PM

Everfrost may have it's own aa reset problem related to the merge, but the one I described is very much real and happens on all servers.

Mosha D'Khan

12-12-2010, 03:35 AM

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>We are indeed looking into it and posted about it in the merge thread. Although, it looks like its not related to the merge at all.For those of you that just started having this problem recently, did you all go into the Frostfell zone? I saw one reply that said it happened after zoning in there. We know why its happening, we are just looking for the catalyst.</blockquote>i would hate to say it and be wrong but i highly doubt it is frostfell, i have run that on 3 toons so far and only one has it. afraid to log back on to 2 of them, and getting to the point where i might just stop playing (spending 150 AA everytime i log on is a pain in that u know what). i would think it is something with the merge, when it happened to me my quest journal got bugged, would not show new quest, would not show quest or updates in the ui boxs, so me thinking oh i can log and fix it did that and then got bugged.... so maybe that has something to do with it, maybe it is because toon is not at 250, but even then had a friend respect 1 tree and now he has the bug too with 250 to respend. so i hate to be wrong but going to say it anyways i think it was something in the merge or update to prep the servers for merge. but for everfrost no one had the problem or talked about it until after the merge

Katz

12-12-2010, 11:09 AM

Its spread to another of my toons now. It started after she gained an aa and I spent it. Could it be related to anything that you do that changes your aa's ? Respec mirrors, talking to the respec guy, going in to bgs, or gaining an aa and spending it?I stopped playing my main because I didnt want to reallocate 250 aa's each time I logged in. I changed to one of my alts to play, now she is resetting. Most of my other alts I've parked in the frostfell instance and haven't been zoning in and out of frostfell with them. Although I have zoned out with some that aren't resetting.I'm not sure any of that info will help.Edit: I asked in the guild..so far it seems that if you assigned or changed your aa's after the merger, you are now glitched for that toon.For the rest of my toons, I'm not going to respec, or touch aa's in anyway. I will not assign unassigned points. I don't know if just gaining an aa will cause it, or if it is just if you assign it.

Vitriol

12-12-2010, 11:32 AM

I had this issue a few weeks ago on my coercer on the Splitpaw server, so it's not unique to merged servers.

Katz

12-12-2010, 11:57 AM

<cite>Vitriol@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>I had this issue a few weeks ago on my coercer on the Splitpaw server, so it's not unique to merged servers.</blockquote>It may not be unique to the merged server, but the incidence has certainly increased.

Ash2k

12-12-2010, 01:41 PM

My friend and I have had this problem on Everfrost since the merge (and since Frostfell, though affected characters have not gone there). So far, the pattern has been clear: <ul><li>All characters who have spent AA points since the merger have had all their AA's reset after logging off and back on. (Zoning might trigger it too, but haven't tried that)</li><li>Characters who have not spent an AA point since the merger do not have this problem so far</li></ul><div></div><div>Super annoying, but at least so far it seems avoidable by hoarding the AA points and not playing the characters who have been rendered essentially unplayable by this bug. (Not that everyone isn't anxiously awaiting the fix, of course.)</div>

Cat-Drallios

12-12-2010, 03:01 PM

Update on this please ? Respendingding aa points every single time I zone or log in/out has beceome entirely too redundant.

Dimi

12-12-2010, 04:13 PM

<cite>Ash2k wrote:</cite><blockquote>My friend and I have had this problem on Everfrost since the merge (and since Frostfell, though affected characters have not gone there). So far, the pattern has been clear: <ul><li>All characters who have spent AA points since the merger have had all their AA's reset after logging off and back on. (Zoning might trigger it too, but haven't tried that)</li><li>Characters who have not spent an AA point since the merger do not have this problem so far</li></ul><div></div><div>Super annoying, but at least so far it seems avoidable by hoarding the AA points and not playing the characters who have been rendered essentially unplayable by this bug. (Not that everyone isn't anxiously awaiting the fix, of course.)</div></blockquote>Nor true for all, My inq has the bug and has been max aa for months, and i havnt reset in as many months.My zerk has max aa and same is true for him but he doesnt have the bug ....yet..../crosses fingersNor does my 39 swash who has leveled and gotten a few aa since and hes not bugged, neither is my sk who is 90 but only 206 aa who has gotten aa and its been spent.I have ran frostfell on all 4 toons.

Tigress

12-12-2010, 06:26 PM

add my necromancer, tigressz, to the list of ppl affected by this glitch. yesterday, i went to frostfell and got an AA point. i cant play anymore bc my AAs reset with every zone. please fix this, straight away. thank you.p.s. i spent points on my fury, tigrress, and so far am unaffected but have not gone to icy keep.2nd edit: my paladin is affected. AA point spent yesterday and never been to frostfell.

Fellcrafter

12-12-2010, 08:06 PM

Hey all,Having similar problem here on my swashbuckler, but its slightly different. His AA's reset only seems to happen when I log him off or to another toon. But I can zone with his AA's intacked. Tried earning another AA to see if it would lock it in and it didn't. I first noticed the reset only after the merger and before he entered into the Frostfell zone.

Blakkmantis

12-12-2010, 09:19 PM

Could this be the return of the plague that used to run rampant thru the game years ago? Affecting our toons so seriously it resets all their AA. lol

Katz

12-12-2010, 11:37 PM

<cite>Darksoulasassin@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ash2k wrote:</cite><blockquote>My friend and I have had this problem on Everfrost since the merge (and since Frostfell, though affected characters have not gone there). So far, the pattern has been clear: <ul><li>All characters who have spent AA points since the merger have had all their AA's reset after logging off and back on. (Zoning might trigger it too, but haven't tried that)</li><li>Characters who have not spent an AA point since the merger do not have this problem so far</li></ul><div></div><div>Super annoying, but at least so far it seems avoidable by hoarding the AA points and not playing the characters who have been rendered essentially unplayable by this bug. (Not that everyone isn't anxiously awaiting the fix, of course.)</div></blockquote>Nor true for all, My inq has the bug and has been max aa for months, and i havnt reset in as many months.My zerk has max aa and same is true for him but he doesnt have the bug ....yet..../crosses fingersNor does my 39 swash who has leveled and gotten a few aa since and hes not bugged, neither is my sk who is 90 but only 206 aa who has gotten aa and its been spent.I have ran frostfell on all 4 toons.</blockquote>Did you use a respec mirror on your inq?

Tigress

12-13-2010, 01:04 AM

server was down tonight and after server came up, the AAs did not reset while zoning. they do, however, reset when you log out and then log back in. if you "fixed" this tonight, pls revisit. thank you.

Fanbrig

12-13-2010, 10:35 AM

I have not been to Frostfell. I have this issue on a few toons where AA's reset to 0 when logging in or zoning.I betrayed my Illy to Coercer and now when I log on, my AA's are being reset back to the Illy ones (even though they are not showing up on my AA tree). My AA trees show the correct coercer AA's - all spent, but most of the coercer specific AA abilities are disabled in my hot bar and knowledge window making them unusable - as are the illy abilities they just reset (e.g. Time Compression and even the shared abilities like bewildermant and PoM). If I zone, they reset back to the correct coercer ones or the original illy ones.More frustrating is the broken support process. I tried to create a help request through in game support and after writing down the info and hitting 'continue' it just takes me to the SOE main screen. I tried to log a ticket a few times and it doesn't save. I tried in game /petition and it crashes.Anyways, please correct this issue - game is just about unplayable until resolved.

Yimway

12-13-2010, 12:48 PM

Blakkmantis

12-13-2010, 12:51 PM

<cite>Ash2k wrote:</cite><blockquote>My friend and I have had this problem on Everfrost since the merge (and since Frostfell, though affected characters have not gone there). So far, the pattern has been clear: <ul><li>All characters who have spent AA points since the merger have had all their AA's reset after logging off and back on. (Zoning might trigger it too, but haven't tried that)</li><li>Characters who have not spent an AA point since the merger do not have this problem so far</li></ul><div></div><div>Super annoying, but at least so far it seems avoidable by hoarding the AA points and not playing the characters who have been rendered essentially unplayable by this bug. (Not that everyone isn't anxiously awaiting the fix, of course.)</div></blockquote>I believe this to be the missing link SOE has been looking for. The past couple days I have noticed this as well. The 2 toons I've spent AA points on since this AA resetting bug has been happening have been getting reset each time I login. All my other toons I have bee reluctant to spend AA points on, have not been affected. I firmly believe now this is where SOE needs to start looking to fix this problem.My advice is, DO NOT SPEND your AA points right now until SOE fixes this bug.

Kordran

12-13-2010, 03:01 PM

<cite>Fanniemeenie@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>More frustrating is the broken support process. I tried to create a help request through in game support and after writing down the info and hitting 'continue' it just takes me to the SOE main screen. I tried to log a ticket a few times and it doesn't save. I tried in game /petition and it crashes.</blockquote>It wouldn't have helped you in any case; the GMs will just send you back a polite reply saying that they're aware of the issue and that developers are looking into it, but that there's nothing they can do. And yes, the problem you're seeing with the petition system has existed for at least a month. It doesn't seem to affect everyone all the time, but intermittently their website will will just choke on the petition and it never gets submitted. I've had it happen to me both in-game and outside of the game.

Cica

12-13-2010, 03:13 PM

Im on EF too didnt have the bug until i spent some AA points, then it reset by itslef when i zoned into SF then other times only reset when i camped or went ld. Didnt have bug until yesterday. (when i spent my 3 points, ... wish i knew) My other low lvl toon i have never went to SF but i did spend aa point on her, and they both been in Forstfell Village. So for me it looks like when i spent the aa points i got the bug right after <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> It is really annoying when you have 200+ aa's, i cant even play those toons right now, i did their aa's sooo many times by now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Aule

12-13-2010, 03:32 PM

I was able to cause this problem to occur repeatedly by turning off the confirmation of aa point expenditure and then spending aa points too fast. (i.e. click 11 times to get 10 points spent and get the 11th one in before the screen displays 10) I don't have the message saved, but when you would log the character in there would be an error that your character has too many aa points spent, and reset. Spending the points slowly resolved the problem. This may be sheer coincidence though and unrelated to the problem. In any case, next time it happens, look at chat box and see if there's an error message there.

Davian

12-13-2010, 06:35 PM

It's still a problem, I have 2 toons having the issue now. Please note neither toon has been to Frostfell nor has either toon used an AA mirror. But i do believe that both toons started having the issue after receiving a new AA point. The subsequent times I logged into the toons after getting a new AA point, the bug hit me.

Cat-Drallios

12-13-2010, 07:10 PM

Please fix this ... the game is not playable if you need to spend your points every time you zone.

KoldenHeartless

12-13-2010, 07:31 PM

Two character affected so far. First, lvl 90 ranger earned 236th AA in battle grounds once spent and camped back into a BG match I was reset to 0 with 236 AAs to spend. Now with the reset bug at any camp/log.Second, respect of Warrior tree on 90 guard I now switch between have 0 of 250 AA spent or to having 90 of the warrior tree to respend.I have not done frostfell on any character, nor have I done anything else mentioned on here but spend an AA or respect of one of my trees. I am using Windows 7 with a custom profit UI.Koldenps the form letter from customer service was very nice in saying they could not help me, your technical writer who does your test scripts should be ro-sham-bo'd.

Kordran

12-13-2010, 07:45 PM

At the very least, they have to know where in their code they're triggering this AA reset. Until they find the underlying cause, it would be nice if they would temporarily disable that code. Whatever that code is trying to prevent (someone had mentioned awhile back it may be related to PvP limitations on how AAs are spent) it can't possibly be worse than what's going on, and it's getting progressively worse as more and more people are earning AA points. We're going on 4 days here with no resolution, and not even an estimate as to when it will be fixed.The fact that this problem exploded after the Everfrost merge would also give me pause. Since they're going ahead with the next merge, they've apparently convinced themselves that's the not a contributing factor, but it's sure one heck of a coincidence.

Nazztee

12-13-2010, 07:49 PM

Uinael_Guk

12-13-2010, 08:19 PM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that this problem exploded after the Everfrost merge would also give me pause. Since they're going ahead with the next merge, they've apparently convinced themselves that's the not a contributing factor, but it's sure one heck of a coincidence.</blockquote>Hasn't it just been an Everfrost bug too?That alone tells me it has something to do with the merge, which is funny to go ahead with another merge tonight. Maybe it'll also be a coincidence if Unrest people start getting it tomorrow.

Rothgar

12-13-2010, 08:33 PM

<cite>Luceus@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that this problem exploded after the Everfrost merge would also give me pause. Since they're going ahead with the next merge, they've apparently convinced themselves that's the not a contributing factor, but it's sure one heck of a coincidence.</blockquote>Hasn't it just been an Everfrost bug too?That alone tells me it has something to do with the merge, which is funny to go ahead with another merge tonight. Maybe it'll also be a coincidence if Unrest people start getting it tomorrow.</blockquote>At least one person in this thread (page 1) said it was happening to people in his guild prior to the merge. I believe I've also seen other posts from players NOT on Everfrost, so we are going under the assumption that this is not a merge-specific issue until we can prove otherwise. We didn't have to "convince ourselves", we're just going by what players are reporting.Until we find the problem we aren't going to just start randomly rolling back bits of code based on hunches about what may have started it.

Kordran

12-13-2010, 08:49 PM

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>At least one person in this thread (page 1) said it was happening to people in his guild prior to the merge. I believe I've also seen other posts from players NOT on Everfrost, so we are going under the assumption that this is not a merge-specific issue until we can prove otherwise. We didn't have to "convince ourselves", we're just going by what players are reporting.Until we find the problem we aren't going to just start randomly rolling back bits of code based on hunches about what may have started it. </blockquote>But you have to admit, this problem did seem to significantly increase in frequency after the merge. While it may not be specifically related to the merge itself, something has caused this to change from a relatively obscure bug to a mainstream one that's affecting a lot of players. I know in my guild alone there's a number of people who are having to redo their AAs, one of whom has to redo them every time he zones (and he's a MT healer, so that's fun stuff). As I said, it's one heck of a coincidence that the day after you complete the merge, all sorts of people come out of the woodwork reporting this problem. I'm not saying it didn't previously exist, but it sure didn't exist on this scale.My only suggestion was that if you can't pin down the underlying cause for this quickly, and trust me, I understand the frustration there, is it worth thinking about just temporarily disabling the code that performs the reset? Not rolling it back per se, but perhaps just some strategically placed #ifdef statements? ;)Edit: I obviously have no idea how your code is structured, and whether it's even a viable option. But having this go on for days is really unfortunate, and certainly a headache you don't need either. There's players who don't even want to login to their toons either because of this bug, or out of the fear that this may "infect" their character somehow if they play them and earn AA points. So even a stopgap measure would probably be appreciated by all of us. Just some food for thought.

Davian

12-13-2010, 09:04 PM

<cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Luceus@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>The fact that this problem exploded after the Everfrost merge would also give me pause. Since they're going ahead with the next merge, they've apparently convinced themselves that's the not a contributing factor, but it's sure one heck of a coincidence.</blockquote>Hasn't it just been an Everfrost bug too?That alone tells me it has something to do with the merge, which is funny to go ahead with another merge tonight. Maybe it'll also be a coincidence if Unrest people start getting it tomorrow.</blockquote>At least one person in this thread (page 1) said it was happening to people in his guild prior to the merge. I believe I've also seen other posts from players NOT on Everfrost, so we are going under the assumption that this is not a merge-specific issue until we can prove otherwise. We didn't have to "convince ourselves", we're just going by what players are reporting.Until we find the problem we aren't going to just start randomly rolling back bits of code based on hunches about what may have started it.</blockquote>It may have been a bug that was around in a limited scale before the merge, but there can be no doubt that during the merge something happened to compound the bug on a greater scale. At this point the game is practically unplayable for many people, and I myself refuse to log in to any of my toons besides my main cause I don't want to have to set my aa's every single time I log in. Luckily for me my main has 250 aa's and has not been affected by the bug so I can still raid happily. But both of my toons that have recieved aa's since the merge are affected. This needs to be fixed asap as it severely affects the enjoyment of this game for many people, and I won't be surprised if people on the servers about to be merged tomorrow will get affected by this as well.