New Illy raiding questions

[tdne]

<p>These may be stupid questions but I cant seem to find an answer -</p><p>1.) Use of Mana FLow - when in a raid - should i be targeting Mana Flow on the Main Tank or on members of my group?</p><p>2.) Mana Cloak - for some reason does not seem to work well unless i am targeting a Melee toon in my group - how should this be used.</p><p>Thanks for the help.</p>

[Zephanor]

<p>Mana flow is an individual spell and you should pretty much use it to cover members in your group that need it primarily to prevent blocking a coercers version that is group wide.  My understanding is that if you cast mana flow on a target in a different group and a coercer follows up and does the same they will be blocked while your mana flow is up on an individual so the whole group loses out.  If the poop hits the fan then it's better than nothing, especially if it's for a healer and you're raiding upper tier mobs (typically every death heals the mob.)</p><p>Mana cloak is a group only spell and can be cast at any time, everyone in your group will benefit providing they are within range (50 meter radius.)  It probably looks like the tank is getting the most benefit because it triggers whenever damage is taken up to three times within a 30 second duration but most if not all the group will, especially in a storm of AEs.</p><p>Don't forget to cast Manatap, start early and cast often, especially if your group burns power like a Hummer does gasoline.  Unlike coercers who can pump power quickly illusionists have to maintain it from the start as it's hard for us to pull the group out of a hole (except for a single target with mana flow.)</p><p>Savante is a good edition as well, especially during times when you know quick casting is up and more power will be burned.  If you get in a hole this can help buy you some time while hitting manatap and mana cloak.</p>

[tdne]

<p>Great - very helpful. Thanks alot.</p>

[Aule]

Yeah as a coercer I do find it terribly annoying when the illusionists mana flow since mine takes 5s to hit the group and yours takes forever to hit one person. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If your coercers are any good they'll ask for an assist on power if it's needed for some reason. (If they're good, you shouldn't need to assist.) If your server has much in the way of loot sales happening, keep an eye out for: aITEM -1282116939 -726150483:[Hoop of Elemental Will]/a That proc's a ridiculous amount of pow over the course of the night.

[PeterJohn]

<p>Why would a coercer ever get annoyed if an illy casts mana flow?</p><p>My understanding was that the coercer mana flow affects the entire group. So if the illy casts manaflow on someone in the group who desperately needs power, the coercer can't also cast manaflow on that person, but he can cast it on anyone else in the same group and that will work just fine. Now everyone is happy.</p><p>Hmm, I guess that coercer group mana flow is an effect of the mythical/ennervated weapon... But if you are talking about raiding, I assume that the coercer would already have that.</p>

[Encantador]

<p><cite>PeterJohn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why would a coercer ever get annoyed if an illy casts mana flow?</p><p>My understanding was that the coercer mana flow affects the entire group. <strong>So if the illy casts manaflow on someone in the group who desperately needs power, the coercer can't also cast manaflow on that person, but he can cast it on anyone else in the same group and that will work just fine. Now everyone is happy.</strong></p><p>Hmm, I guess that coercer group mana flow is an effect of the mythical/ennervated weapon... But if you are talking about raiding, I assume that the coercer would already have that.</p></blockquote><p>Wrong ... If the coercer chooses someone else in the group then the coercer's buff does not affect the person the illusionist cast it on. So that person, who presumably needs it most, does not get a double dose. Effectively this means the illusionist buff is wasted. So the best way round is the coercer to cast first then the illu.</p><p>Besides for most coercers its a matter of pride that we can keep a group in power by fitting it into our spell rotation at hardly any DPS cost. It is annoying when it won't cast because an illusionist has put a flow on the MT. Not only does it force a change of target if we really want to cast it, it also loses Perpetuality.</p><p>To be honest I can't think of any fight where a coercer could not keep up his own group easily (except second in spire of course).</p><p>Why would an illusionist wish to cast MF on an MT anyway? It just reduces the time you have to do DPS.</p>

[Zephanor]

<p>I never cast mana flow on the MT... they always have a coercer for their group mana flow, so the healers benefit as well, and more importantly their hate buffage.</p><p>Agreed, if the coercer is worth anything they can keep their group and help another group with very little dropoff so there is no need to reach out to other groups.  It's not worth blocking the coercer mana flow that helps everyone in the group over just one.  From time to time we find ourselves short a regen and only one coercer in the raid against twins that requires us illies to keep an eye on the regen-less group and mana flow the healers.  It can be tricky but it's not all that hard and doesn't affect DPS too deeply.  Again, survivability is a big key so it's worth it in the end.</p><p>aITEM -939774711 1664478560:Vulaan's Earhoop of the Herald/a is a good item to have as well and should be fairly easy to get these days either through auction or pickup raid if your guild isn't at that level yet.</p>

[snowli]

<p>Most often I keep manaflow for the healer inside your group as an illy. The reason is illy myth/enervated procs power for group members when they take hostile actions, this has an okay affect on most of your group, but if your healer is taking quite a few less hostile actions (and mostly casting beneficials) they miss out more. Just depends who needs it, but I mostly keep in group.</p><p>I think Manacloak seems to only have 3 triggers for the entire group, making it not so useful unless it gets a review.</p><p>Manatap helps, cast early and often if u know ur group will be running down in power over the long term.</p><p>Don't underestimate savant with aa points in it, it's about your only emergency ability, it's nothing like as good as coercer emergency power abilities but it's the best of a bad bunch tbh.</p><p>Get the vuulan hoop asap.</p><p>hope that helps.</p>