Make it a real deal

[Rubba]

<p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p>

[Mikai]

<p>Yeah, and yet the other argument is against severe undercutting.</p><p>Frankly, when I broker, I just want to be at the top of the list, so people buy mine.  People are more inclined to just buy the cheapest of whatever they are looking for.  That pops up at the top of the list.  So if I undercut someone by a silver, I'm basically making what they would have made, and I'm more likely to sell it.</p><p>Only exception I make is for severely overpriced items.</p>

[thephantomposter]

<p>lol, I undercut by coppers, the broker is my friend and she treats me very well muh haha haha haha</p><p>Nothing sits, except the odd master <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p><p>"If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat."</p><p>That would be uhhh 2 plat 5 gold that I cant spend on someone else on the broker, what comes around goes around</p>

[jrolla777]

<p>I will undercut everyone. I need the plat more than you. What i dislike is that I use a 10% sales crate and lets say the current lowest seller is using 20%. I dont have time to do the math but i will undercut that person by 1c or 10p, whatever i feel like at the time. my 2c</p>

[Xdatinelia]

<p>I don't undercut, I match lowest price.  If I am undercut I then undercut by 50%.  I don't have time for penny ante drama on the broker.  If undercut again I will do the same till the price gets red.</p>

[Shazzie]

<p>I am against the tiny-incremental-copper undercutters, unless the item is selling for just coppers anyway, heh.</p><p>If there is an item for sale for 250g, and another for sale for 249g99s99c, I will buy the 250g one every single time, because that just flat-out ticks me off. (Like the 'UNDER $1,000 sale!' when the item is $999.99. Calling that 'under $1,000' is just B.S.)</p><p>But to me it also matters how large the sale price is in the end. If the item is only selling for a few gold, having one at 5g and someone coming in and selling theirs for 4g75s is much, MUCH different than 1p vs. 99g99s99c. At that range you should be knocking off a few GOLD, not a copper!</p><p>But, of course, that's just me. There's plenty of people who actually think $999.99 is enough 'under $1000' to make their eyes sparkle, so it obviously works. I'm just one of the ones who finds it both blazingly stupid and incredibly aggravating.</p>

[PlaneCrazy]

<p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>/Shrug</p><p>I hear that a lot, but my broker numbers dispute your "ideals".  It's kind of a stupid argument too.  Like you are going to go through a mall and refuse to buy from store B because he's selling the Ipod for only 1 dollar cheaper then Store A. Gimme a break.</p><p>Personally, I never do the 1 cp undercut.  I  usually do 1gp lower.  I put things up on the broker to sell fast.  I'm not interested in getting huge amounts weeks from now... I want a return fast so I can keep my expenses in check and keep things moving through my sales crate.  The exception to the rule is crafted stuff.  Once in a long while I might bother to make a particular armor set and I usually price it on par with another crafter and just let it sit until it sells.  For all other stuff though, I adjust my prices almost nightly to be the lowest.  I also pay my house upkeep to make sure the buyer has the option to come and buy it and I use a vet sales crate so i have 10% broker fees instead of 20%.</p><p>Sorry bud... but the fact of the matter is that there is so much money in EQ2, that most people just click the item at the top of there lists.  Only for the really pricey stuff do they look at addresses and broker fees, etc.  Your personal outrage at being under cut in the broker game won;t make a difference.</p><p>PS.  I think I do my server a favor by my attention to broker prices.  Many times I have actually watched the value of some stuff drop 50-75% because I went and farmed for a day and then dumped it on the broker.</p>

[Dorsan]

I always undercut by 1cpp, no matter what. The thing is I want to get the max amount of money possible with being the 1st on the list. As simple as that. And if someone undercuts by a large margin, I just buy theirs and then put it up to the same price I was selling my original item as well.

[Jaremai]

<p>I love people that undercut so far that they're now charging less than you could get selling the item to a vendor.</p><p>I undercut when I first list stuff, then I let the items sit for a week or two.  If they're still there, I go through and undercut again.  Rinse & repeat until I know the item is cheap, then I just leave it and eventually it sells.  I don't need the plat right this second anyway.</p>

[Rubba]

<p><cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>/Shrug</p><p>I hear that a lot, but my broker numbers dispute your "ideals".  It's kind of a stupid argument too.  Like you are going to go through a mall and refuse to buy from store B because he's selling the Ipod for only 1 dollar cheaper then Store A. Gimme a break.</p><p>Personally, I never do the 1 cp undercut.  I  usually do 1gp lower.  I put things up on the broker to sell fast.  I'm not interested in getting huge amounts weeks from now... I want a return fast so I can keep my expenses in check and keep things moving through my sales crate.  The exception to the rule is crafted stuff.  Once in a long while I might bother to make a particular armor set and I usually price it on par with another crafter and just let it sit until it sells.  For all other stuff though, I adjust my prices almost nightly to be the lowest.  I also pay my house upkeep to make sure the buyer has the option to come and buy it and I use a vet sales crate so i have 10% broker fees instead of 20%.</p><p>Sorry bud... but the fact of the matter is that there is so much money in EQ2, that most people just click the item at the top of there lists.  Only for the really pricey stuff do they look at addresses and broker fees, etc.  Your personal outrage at being under cut in the broker game won;t make a difference.</p><p>PS.  I think I do my server a favor by my attention to broker prices.  Many times I have actually watched the value of some stuff drop 50-75% because I went and farmed for a day and then dumped it on the broker.</p><p>---------------</p><p>I'll also look for the lowest price - obviously, but if the lowest is 1cp less - that's a cheap shot. This is different from real life mall shopping - it's just a simple click - not a long walk or drive to another store. Point being - 1cp discount is not going to make me drool - if someone wants my buying attention, they need to make it an attractive discount. A 1cp price reduction is like Best Buy advertising a Black Friday Sale - "ALL $24.99 DVDs on SALE for just $24.95. PLUS 10 cent candy only 5 cents."  I'm sure as hell not camping at midnight to get there when the doors open. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'll also sell master crafted items on par, out of respect for other crafters, except for items that may be wayyy overpriced.</p></blockquote>

[pantherr]

<p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>The point is that they are not trying to make it a deal. We are trying to sell it, and to do so, just cheaper than anyone else is. Nobody said they are trying to give you a "deal"</p>

[Helmarf]

<p>Well doh!</p><p>Lets say there is a shiny for 1p on the broker, i sell mine for 99g. Why? Because im not the only one selling this shiny. A couple of hours later there will be others trying to sell the same shiny cheaper then me, so at the end of day this shiny is probably halfed its value. So its mostly a bad deal for the seller to undercut that much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>And if you want a good deal, buy the crap stuff that people sell for under its vendor value <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Eveningsong]

<p>The order on the broker is going to change for people depending on the city they live in vs. the city the item is being sold in anyways, so undercutting any amount can still result in a price higher than anyone else, depending on where someone is buying from.  That 40% can add up!  Unless you buy direct, which I usually do.  And in that case the order doesn't matter, because I'm checking the price at the bottom of the broker window on many of the listings to see what the lowest price is and where will be cheapest/easiest to travel to.</p>

[Rubba]

<p><cite>pantherr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>The point is that they are not trying to make it a deal. We are trying to sell it, and to do so, just cheaper than anyone else is. Nobody said they are trying to give you a "deal"</p></blockquote><p>OK - Using the word "deal" may be my poor choice of word. Let's just say - If someone wants to get my buying attention.</p><p>The way I see it is more a matter of consideration for other players. i.e. We all put in the play time; we're all acquiring equipment, plat, etc. So out of respect and consideration for another player - another seller, I'm not going to be so chinchy as to cut a price by 1cp or 1sp - it's a cheap shot, (and here we're talking about items that go for high gold or plat +). On the flip side, I'm also not going to be chinchy and buy the 49g 99s 99c item if that's the low and the next high is 50g. I'll respect the 50g seller and have little or no regard for the other.</p><p>All good opinions in these posts - this is just my slant on things - iow - It's not a matter of dollars and cents (in this case plat and copper); it's more a matter of consideration.</p>

[Jardon]

<p>How do you know the person that is 1 cp less has not been undercut 5 times by the person they are undercutting, and got tired of it and just priced it 1 cp less, so the price didn't keep going through the floor?</p><p>I don't price my items to please you, I price my items so they are at the top of the list in a search and then they sell.</p>

[LaurnaRose Fauldorn]

<p>Wow ... did we finally run out of ligitimate gripes?  Cause this is the most useless argument I've ever heard.   Seriously, either you undercut by coppers or you dont.  Either you buy items undercut by coppers or you dont.  It really is not a game altering delima /shrug.</p><p>No wonder CS never has time to deal with real issues, they're too busy ready crap like this.</p>

[Rubba]

<p><cite>Anobabylon@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wow ... did we finally run out of ligitimate gripes?  Cause this is the most useless argument I've ever heard.   Seriously, either you undercut by coppers or you dont.  Either you buy items undercut by coppers or you dont.  It really is not a game altering delima /shrug.</p><p>No wonder CS never has time to deal with real issues, they're too busy ready crap like this.</p></blockquote><p>Who's griping? Who's arguing? We're just stating some opinions and some of the different ways we look at things here.</p>

[Tkyle1]

<p> I always match the lowest price. I really can't stand the copper undercutters and make a point never to buy from someone doing that. I'll pay a little more (which is a copper) to just not buy the undercutters. =)   Either way, really not to big of a deal.</p>

[Kordran]

<p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>Welcome to an economy where all goods are fungible and the only differentiation is price. There are some creative ways Domino and friends could change this, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see any change from this fundamental design choice. A steel longsword is a steel lonsword, no matter who makes it.</p>

[Landiin]

I check mine once a day and readjust to the lowest price listed. The only time I don't set mine the same as the lowest listed if its a high priced item and it don't sell for 2 days, then I lower the price every 2 days until it sells.

[Gungo]

<p>I undercut by 1 cp to [Removed for Content] off the person who undercuts me. I then religously check my undercut price to make sure it is lower until it sells.</p>

[puffmouse2]

<p>This thing goes both ways its not even worth discussion unless you just lack basic economics education and need some help.</p><p>If you were trying to sell your crap and everyone else was hugely undercutting you out of any sort of decent money, you would run crying in the other direction.</p><p>People will post their prices for exactly what they can get for it and repost again if they can't sell. There will be no rules, no need for special customs or expectations or social norms.</p><p>This is fundamental. If you have a problem with it you will need to exit the universe.</p>

[Dreadpatch]

price to sell period

[Grumble69]

<p>Depending on the item & how bad I'm undercut, I've been known to buy it up and resell it for lots more.</p>

[Michayla]

<p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>Their goal isn't to give you a deal. Their goal is to sell an item as quickly as possible. And given that your outrage towards the matter is the minority, you're unlikely to see a change in this anytime soon.</p><p>I don't price my items to give you a great deal. I honestly don't care whether the person buying my item walks away satisfied with the price they paid or not.</p>

[nerrollus]

<p><cite>Rubba@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that's laughable are those players who undercut an item on the broker for 1cp, 1sp, or 1gp.Examples:Someone lists an item for 20 gold, someone undercuts by making the item 19 gold, 99 silver.Or undercuts a 10 plat item by making their's 9 plat, 99 gold, 99 silver - [Removed for Content]?You call that a deal?If you're going to undercut, make it significant.Undercut the 20 gold and list for 15 gold.Undercut 10 plat and make it 8 plat.I simply refuse to buy from cheap cutters - Their stuff can sit on the broker.If someone's going to make it a deal - let them make it a REAL deal.</p></blockquote><p>Because it's been proven time and time and time again that dropping your price, even by 1c, to get it to the top of the list when sorted by price it always sells faster.  I always buy things like that and I always sell things like that because it's faster.</p>

[-=Hoss=-]

<p>Good for you if you don't buy from the person who undercut by 1c, but you know what, they probably don't realize it.  Kinda makes it lose its zing, doesn't it?  I suggest you also send those people mail letting them know you didn't buy from them because you don't approve of thier wicked desire to offer folks the lowest price. </p>

[Eritius]

<p>If someone lists an item for say 5g, price will be 6g.</p><p>I'm going to list it for 5g25s and it will be 5g77s70c because of my vet award. Not only am I making more then the above lister but I'm also going to be at the top.</p><p>The other way I undersell is matching their price.</p><p>Their 6g item is 5g50s for me.</p>

[PlaneCrazy]

<p>I am amazed this thread is still going.  Selling stuff on the broker isn't some exercise in honor or gamesmanship.  You sell stuff to make plat.  People don't buy the more expensive stuff (and I don't believe ONE person here who says they buy from higher priced vendors just to prove they are more honorable... ROFL.  Like anyone cares!)  They do a search and then they click the item at the top.  SIMPLE.  If it's a really pricey item, they may actually look around and find someone close who has it in their house so they can avoid the 10 or 20% broker commission.</p><p>That's it.</p><p>You can't get much simpler then that.</p><p>You want to get deeper into the issue then go work a DEV's ear about tradeskills and drop rates and Bind on Equip and the economy, but you ain't going to change anything in how players sell stuff with a thread on this forum.</p>

[scruffylookin]

<p>If you ask me, it's the opposite (IMHO). The people undercutting are playing the broker game. They fully expect others to do the same. It requires dedication, and it prevents the rapid decline in the value of an item.</p><p>If you have something for 10 plat, and you expect the next person to drop it to 8 plat out of some false sense of honor, you know what happens. Everybody drops it to just under 8 plat.</p><p>Doing what you suggest completely destroys the value of the product. The people that undercut by a copper are helping you, not hurting you. They're keeping the item's value high, so if theirs is sold, your price is still viable. If they drop it by 3 plat, what happens? You have to do the same (going down by 3 MORE plat). With just about 4 price drops an item will drop from 20 plat to a plat.</p><p>No sellers want that.What you're asking for and expecting is very hurtful to ALL sellers.</p><p>IMHO, the person that gets upset over someone barely undercutting them just wants the benefits of the broker without playing the economic game that comes with being a good broker. In short, for me, doing what the OP suggests takes every ounce of fun out of brokering and it decimates the value of the items being sold.</p>

[Layakilie]

<p>Remember that the 10%salecrates is nothing that everyone has access to.</p><p>If i get undercut by someone who has one (and it seems like there are maaaaany ^^) and i still want a chance to sell my stuff i will still get less money because i have to set the price 10% lower . It's not much to care about if its about 10 gold, then i would price 8g99s - that would usually look like i undercut by 1 s on overview. In fact i get 1g 1 s less and even this is summing up. It gets ugly when it gets to plat, - let it be the new price is 10p -thats -1p1g1s1c for me. The Broker is my source of income , i burn through fuelstacks priced 2p within half an hour - and then i shall undercut even lower, thereby effectively limiting the progress i can make on completing my goals?  Be assured, i tried that sometimes when i was very very low on cash and desperate, and that always ended with the prices falling deep deep down,f.e. from 15 p to 3p. The real undercutting got me in this case a loss of 12 p. I really can't afford that. </p><p>I think the salecrate veteran reward is a cool thing, and i also think that the player that got them deserve them. I'm ok with that,i'll be happy if my time should come someday- but i don't really have a choice right now but undercutting by 1s or something, and since my second crafter is now in t8 i really see no other option.</p><p>(i'm not 100% sure if i calculated right up there, but i know i calculate right ingame <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p>

[scruffylookin]

<p><cite>Layakilie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Remember that the 10%salecrates is nothing that everyone has access to.</p><p>If i get undercut by someone who has one (and it seems like there are maaaaany ^^) and i still want a chance to sell my stuff i will still get less money because i have to set the price 10% lower . It's not much to care about if its about 10 gold, then i would price 8g99s - that would usually look like i undercut by 1 s on overview. In fact i get 1g 1 s less and even this is summing up. It gets ugly when it gets to plat, - let it be the new price is 10p -thats -1p1g1s1c for me. The Broker is my source of income , i burn through fuelstacks priced 2p within half an hour - and then i shall undercut even lower, thereby effectively limiting the progress i can make on completing my goals?  Be assured, i tried that sometimes when i was very very low on cash and desperate, and that always ended with the prices falling deep deep down,f.e. from 15 p to 3p. The real undercutting got me in this case a loss of 12 p. I really can't afford that. </p><p>I think the salecrate veteran reward is a cool thing, and i also think that the player that got them deserve them. I'm ok with that,i'll be happy if my time should come someday- but i don't really have a choice right now but undercutting by 1s or something, and since my second crafter is now in t8 i really see no other option.</p><p>(i'm not 100% sure if i calculated right up there, but i know i calculate right ingame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> )</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. All in all, small undercuts is the fairest way to go. Respectfully, I don't think the people that have a problem with it have really thought it through.</p><p>If everyone undercuts by large amounts, nothing gets sold because after just a day or so, the item will be worth more from a vendor.</p><p>If everyone does the "post the same as the lowest" thing suggested, it becomes a Lotto roll for the broker. I mean, eventually, it'll come down to person whose name starts with "A" gets the sale. I don't see how that's fair business.</p><p>Truly, the fairest and most kind to the market method is the very small undercut. I personally would much rather put an item on the broker, then a day later have to drop it 10 silver to keep it viable than to see it lose all its value by the next day.</p>