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kelvmor

12-03-2010, 10:47 PM

<cite>Shemyaza wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>is the lore on that page linked official canon lore regarding the origins of mayong? if it is, you just destroyed one of the most interesting and mysterious characters in eq lore in one second rate sub fan-fiction paragraph.oh well.</blockquote>That is canon lore that was around since Velious in EQlive.

Morghus

12-03-2010, 10:49 PM

Meh, true or not is meaningless to me. The less time wasted developing an already stale character and its ilk, the better. Maybe we will finally have someone else in the spotlight rather than having to talk with, or otherwise deal with Mayong returning again and again, somehow more smug and detestable with each subsequent appearance. The day he is gone, will be good riddance.I wonder when our charactes will stop being written as idiots accidentally helping him all the time.

Rainmare

12-03-2010, 11:05 PM

we haven't been written in as idiots helping him all the time. in fact the only time we do 'help' mayong is during RoK, adn at that point we're 'idiots' helping the Void by doing what a possessed Fiddy tells us to do. Mayong basically cleans up the mess and tells us to hold on to the chelsith stone until he needs it, and/or us. he encourages us to get stronger.the other times we've dealt with mayong it's been either somethign he coudl care less about, ie the reclaiming of soulfire. or we've put a crimp in his plans ie the tunarian throne room.I think keeping him around is a great idea. he can be the hidden mover and shaker, you can hang a hundred plots on him, and because he's so old, and long since mastered the arts of diplomacy, seduction, and who knows what arcane power...he stops being just 'dragon-01' and something more. he's both protagonist and villian.Mayong is probably as much if not moreso iconic to EQ as Fironia Vie or Al'Kabor ever were. and he's never just 'the villian' he does things for his own reasons..even if we the players don't know what they are. and it's a reason I love the character. he's not just the meglomanic villian like Cristanos or Lucan or Venril or Kerafyrm...if he's even really a villian at all.

Morghus

12-03-2010, 11:15 PM

I don't disagree that such a character should be utilized, Mayong's overall presentation and demeanor however are what rub me the wrong way. He is never respectful, he never acknowledges you, the player as anything more than an insect despite being put in his place by us many times.He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?

Gninja

12-03-2010, 11:26 PM

<cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>Actually that story is not canon to what happened between Tserrina and Mayong but I will let you guys find out the true story after Feb. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Just didn't want you guys running with that and discussing it wihtout knowing if it was canon to our lore or not.In regards to the origins of the Freebloods you will just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say you might have already taken part in some of the story!

Morghus

12-03-2010, 11:31 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>Actually that story is not canon to what happened between Tserrina and Mayong but I will let you guys find out the true story after Feb. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Just didn't want you guys running with that and discussing it wihtout knowing if it was canon to our lore or not.In regards to the origins of the Freebloods you will just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say you might have already taken part in some of the story!</blockquote>Well now, that is interesting to hear. I do enjoy seeing the consequences of player actions represented in-game and acknowledged. Speaking of such though, is Vrewwx's story done? I noticed that there does not appear to be a new Frostfell quest in relation to him. And After beating him both easy and hard mode in the raid zone he is simply put back to sleep regardless of the path you take. Also fyi....slightly disappointed there is no adult Vrewwx plushie to buy for 250 epic Eci tokens!

Gninja

12-03-2010, 11:33 PM

A little off topic but I'll bite <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Vrewwx may or may not show up later down the line. After all you guys havent seen what part to play he was speaking of in past events. Invading his lair was just an unexpected event that happaned which he did not foresee.

shadowscale

12-03-2010, 11:42 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>A little off topic but I'll bite <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Vrewwx may or may not show up later down the line. After all you guys havent seen what part to play he was speaking of in past events. Invading his lair was just an unexpected event that happaned which he did not foresee.</blockquote>im still not sure how he went from two legs to being on all four with his adult form.would be nice to have kept him a two legged kind.and he better not just be some raid target.... he sounded like a potentol ally.

Morghus

12-03-2010, 11:45 PM

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote>A little off topic but I'll bite <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Vrewwx may or may not show up later down the line. After all you guys havent seen what part to play he was speaking of in past events. Invading his lair was just an unexpected event that happaned which he did not foresee.</blockquote>im still not sure how he went from two legs to being on all four with his adult form.would be nice to have kept him a two legged kind.and he better not just be some raid target.... he sounded like a potentol ally.</blockquote>Well, to be fair his adult form wasn't exactly natural. He was aged through magic at the last second to be able to fight us. It also likely is just a discrepency from using that model since an actual baby dragon would likely be on all fours.

kelvmor

12-03-2010, 11:56 PM

Do they get a stat decrease in the daylight? Please say yes.

Lodrelhai

12-04-2010, 12:10 AM

It's also possible that a baby dragon can carry itself on two legs because its upper body hasn't developed the heavy flight muscles and skeletal support it will need for flying. As the dragon ages (naturally or otherwise), that upper body development may become too much for their elongated backs to support on two legs for any extended time.Back on topic - vampires! Admittedly, I was disappointed we didn't get othmir for a player race. But I'm eager to see what the vampires are like. I'm sort of hoping for penalties and buffs that are related to time of day and location - remains fairly even in dungeons or perpetual-gloom zones like Nek and LP, some bonuses at night and a dot or debuff during the day in the majority of overland zones.I trust the devs to not make them sparkle in sunlight by default, but I'm also betting SOMEONE is going to put in a quest that makes us deal with some glitter-obsessed vampire - possibly with a toggleable sparkly effect as a reward. Which might be reason enough for me to go check out PVP...Edit: Or instead of a reward, we get the glitter spilled all over us and sparkle until we complete the next step - getting the stuff off!

Cusashorn

12-04-2010, 12:26 AM

I'm still sick at the thought that SoE would even go there with the whole vampire/undead player race. It's just so cliche no matter how you spin it.Anyways, that's rather interesting for a developer to be corrected by another developer like that.I had always heard it was Mayong who stood her up on her wedding day.Personally, I'm going to speculate that since the Promo info is saying "One Per ACCOUNT", I'm guessing that it's a free racial change to get new racial abilities and *MAYBE* a slight facelift. Basically turning your current character into a vampire.

Rezikai

12-04-2010, 12:43 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm still sick at the thought that SoE would even go there with the whole vampire/undead player race. It's just so cliche no matter how you spin it.Anyways, that's rather interesting for a developer to be corrected by another developer like that.I had always heard it was Mayong who stood her up on her wedding day.Personally, I'm going to speculate that since the Promo info is saying "One Per ACCOUNT", I'm guessing that it's a free racial change to get new racial abilities and *MAYBE* a slight facelift. Basically turning your current character into a vampire.</blockquote>I think Gninja is commenting not on TTobey's write up but on the wiki link that says Mayong was some elddar elf that left Tunare for Innoruuk or whatever.-Topic- .... Vamps...back in EQOA I RP'd to be a vamp hunter born to the desert gyspies... then EQOA introduced Vampire as a Lycan/Subclass players could become.. and yes... i touched the dark side of the moon./purchases a character slot.Freebloods those not under Mayongs thumb, possibly Malkonis' / Tsserina.. maybe Marcus joins thier ranks.

DrkVsr

12-04-2010, 01:14 AM

Why couldn't they have been giving a cool name, like Frostbite, instead of Freeblood <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

kelvmor

12-04-2010, 02:17 AM

Why couldn't they have made orcs playable, rather than vampires?Or gave us an old-model orc illusion that can wear all the armor we can, like they could back before DoF.

ttobey

12-04-2010, 02:21 AM

Uncaged

12-04-2010, 02:23 AM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>Actually that story is not canon to what happened between Tserrina and Mayong but I will let you guys find out the true story after Feb. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Just didn't want you guys running with that and discussing it wihtout knowing if it was canon to our lore or not.In regards to the origins of the Freebloods you will just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say you might have already taken part in some of the story!</blockquote>Hmmm, I was trying to think what the last line could be. The LP haunted house didn't really seem right. The maze in Nekulos forest was a werewolf. Then it dawned on me. Rime....we all thought the pale skins were because of an icy origin. Perhaps they are all vampires! The one npc states that Killingfrost is not a Giant but he clearly is Giant size. He may not be a giant but all vampires.Vampirism has always been considered a curse or disease. After Velious was hit by the shattering and raining Luclin perhaps the residents from the Tower of Frozen Shadow broke out for a feeding frenzy upon the continent. Vampire giants, dwarves, .....shutter DRAGONS! Who knows. Would be interesting though.

BleemTeam

12-04-2010, 02:40 AM

The haunted house could fit, if you think of it from their point of view. You become a vampire, per se. We walk free... It's a slight stretch, but basically it would work.

Meirril

12-04-2010, 02:49 AM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>Actually that story is not canon to what happened between Tserrina and Mayong but I will let you guys find out the true story after Feb. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Just didn't want you guys running with that and discussing it wihtout knowing if it was canon to our lore or not.In regards to the origins of the Freebloods you will just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say you might have already taken part in some of the story!</blockquote>Hmmm, I was trying to think what the last line could be. The LP haunted house didn't really seem right. The maze in Nekulos forest was a werewolf. Then it dawned on me. Rime....we all thought the pale skins were because of an icy origin. Perhaps they are all vampires! The one npc states that Killingfrost is not a Giant but he clearly is Giant size. He may not be a giant but all vampires.Vampirism has always been considered a curse or disease. After Velious was hit by the shattering and raining Luclin perhaps the residents from the Tower of Frozen Shadow broke out for a feeding frenzy upon the continent. Vampire giants, dwarves, .....shutter DRAGONS! Who knows. Would be interesting though.</blockquote>The LP haunted house seems exactly right. You are essentially repressing your memories of committing the attrocities that happened in that house after you were turned into a vampire.Also if you do Evernight Abby you drink blood and become a sort of half vampire or some such to get past the barrier that prevents non-vampires from entering the inner circle. So there are at least 2 different ways you could become a vampire-ish person one not involving a holiday event.Also if you participated in quests that involve the Ewer of Sul'Dae you could be involved in this whole Freeblood thing. The Ewer was the cause of a new strain of vampirism in Neriak. It could be used again by Anashti to add a new "race" of undead...though again undeath isn't a race. It is what happens to other races, just like vampirism.Intersting Point: Why would EQ2's Mayong Mistmoor object to a dragon's spirit in a stone, or an undead skeletal dragon if he's keeping a Vampiric Dragon under his castle? seriously!Also to point out, the Tower of Frozen Shadows as a vampiric castle in Velious? The tower before it was cursed was inhabited mostly by Euradites. Mayong wouldn't choose Euradites for a new vampiric brood. If he did consider non-elf races worthy of being added to his brood in mass, they wouldn't all be Tier'dal now. If you look around at his agents, they were obviously all elves before death. Sure there are some exceptions, but we're talking about dozens of euradites here. Nearly 100 non-elf vampires? It just doesn't seem consistant with Mayong's personality. I'm betting the true story of ToFS is a bit different than what EQ Lore Wiki has posted.

BleemTeam

12-04-2010, 03:04 AM

Aha! Because, finally, we're all vampires... Mayong is going to be worship-able. It all makes sense now!

Xalmat

12-04-2010, 03:36 AM

Of all things, it had to be vampires. /facepalm

Iskandar

12-04-2010, 05:07 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>I trust the devs to not make them sparkle in sunlight by default, but I'm also betting SOMEONE is going to put in a quest that makes us deal with some glitter-obsessed vampire - possibly with a toggleable sparkly effect as a reward. Which might be reason enough for me to go check out PVP... </blockquote>Oh, you mean like the Cloak of the Harvester?Yeah. Giant, sparkly vampires. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

Melita

12-04-2010, 12:42 PM

So I guess has to be asked, if there are vampires coming with next expansion... will there be vampire hunters?

Cusashorn

12-04-2010, 01:17 PM

Some of us on the lore channel have already started seeking out the Destroyer of Vampires title.

Xalmat

12-04-2010, 01:22 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some of us on the lore channel have already started seeking out the Destroyer of Vampires title.</blockquote>+1

ccarro

12-04-2010, 01:36 PM

I am SO sick of everything surrounding Mayong. Where is the ingenuity?!?!

Cyliena

12-04-2010, 02:15 PM

Ok, found the EQ reference by searching their lore forum, someone posted in-game npc dialogue about it (thread is <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=50103" target="_blank">here</a>, going to c/p as well though):[Tue Nov 08 15:26:46 2005] You say, 'who feared retribution'[Tue Nov 08 15:26:47 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:26:47 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'This is the generally accepted historical account of how Tserrina and Mayong had their falling out. She presented the dracoliche as a gift to him on their wedding night. Fearing that he would share the responsibility for its creation he left her at the altar. Tserrina was furious. She slew her entire wedding party, destroyed any signs of her betrothed, and now sulks in the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation, but not terribly creative on your part, Lluianae. I was attempting to demonstrate how to rewrite history and you simply let events stand as they were. Are you certain you don't wish to change your mind?' [Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] You say, 'glimpse into the future?'[Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:27:19 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'Well put, Lluianae. Though Mayong wished to share his power with another, he had seen the future. It was only a matter of time before Tserrina would attempt to slay him and usurp his position. The loss of trust was tangible. Tserrina was understandably hurt and took her leave. Mayong held no ill will toward her and allowed her to depart and live a separate life within the icy confines of the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation. Perhaps untrue, but that does not matter. History is a point of view, not a fact, and you just twisted it to your whim. The history books shall be rewritten as you commanded, Lluianae, and THAT is true power.'[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] You say, 'killed her ability to love'[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] You feel as though you have been judged, and that this decision may affect you sometime in the future.[Tue Nov 08 15:28:04 2005] Ariahn Teller nods. 'Well put, Lluianae. Mayong and Tserrina were madly in love. He gifted her with immortality by making her into a vampire but the transformation had an unexpected side effect. It killed Tserrina's feelings. She was no longer capable of loving anything. Mayong tried desperately to rekindle her emotions but was unsuccessful. He reluctantly allowed her the freedom to depart and live a separate life within the icy confines of the Tower of Frozen Shadow. This is a plausible explanation of their situation. Perhaps untrue, but that does not matter. History is a point of view, not a fact, and you just twisted it to your whim. The history books shall be rewritten as you commanded, Lluianae, and THAT is true power.'It's somewhat ambiguous since it seems to give multiple scenarios and the dialogue suggests that any of them can be true.

Leko

12-04-2010, 02:30 PM

<cite>Gninja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ttobey wrote:</cite><blockquote> Teir'Dal Tserrina Syl`Tor was Mayong Mistmoore's student and then his partner. Her Tower of Frozen Shadow in Velious was going to become a new vampiric stronghold. Which was also inline with his polts as he was able to keep a closer watch on the dragons of Velious from there. Tserrina was granted the "gift" of vampirism by Mayong Mistmoore during their engagement. Tserrina was obsessed with pleasing her soon to be husband. She started researching and experimenting with the art of trapping a soul in inanimate objects. She managed to trap the soul of a <a class="iAs" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Mayong_Mistmoore#" target="_blank">dragon</a> in a stone. She presented it to Mayong as a present to her betrothed as well as the skeletal dragon that accompanied it. As soon as Mayong had realized what she had done he called her and her beast an abomination and banished her from his sight. After the falling out, Tserrina was driven mad and fled to her tower forcing the Tower to remain in the same perpetual state that it was on her wedding day. Wedding party and all.</blockquote>Actually that story is not canon to what happened between Tserrina and Mayong but I will let you guys find out the true story after Feb. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Just didn't want you guys running with that and discussing it wihtout knowing if it was canon to our lore or not.In regards to the origins of the Freebloods you will just have to wait and see. Suffice it to say you might have already taken part in some of the story!</blockquote>Then you are going to tie in the Halloween event / quest that has basicly turned every player into a vampire? So this new Freeblood race will allow us to give vampire like powers to one of our toons?

Wilin

12-04-2010, 07:20 PM

Could it be? <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=489434">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=489434</a>

Cusashorn

12-04-2010, 07:53 PM

It could, but I doubt it, since it's a few years late to follow on that, and it would sort of mean a mandatory change for every player of every race in the game, and so far all we know is this "One Per Account" thing until we get more info.

DrkVsr

12-05-2010, 02:13 AM

Ah can see why it will be limited to 1 per account, otherwise you would end up with a population of around 90% vampires and just 10% vampire huntersHaven't done the Rime of the Ancient Mariner yet, but that sounds a more plausible link to the Frostbites than Mayong and the Haunted MansionSeeing how original Velious came out before PoP, what justification (other than lazyarse reserach, or lack thereof) would there be to change the history between Tserrina and Mayong? Unless the EQ1 devs decided to retrofit their history as well

Cusashorn

12-05-2010, 02:49 AM

Actually, in regard to the dialogue posted above, I'm wondering WHEN that dialogue was put into EQlive. I don't remember any NPC's that made judgements based on what you said next right up to the Omens of War xpac. It's possible this is a retcon made in EQlive's own timeline.

Rezikai

12-05-2010, 03:30 AM

<cite>Circadian@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am SO sick of everything surrounding Mayong. Where is the ingenuity?!?!</blockquote>Eh idk, Mayongs been in the background for the better of 2 expacs. TsO was Ethernaughts/Miragul/Ykesha/Anashti and now we have SF thats more Theer/Odus based. Even before that Mayong was in the shadows of RoK only making an appearance at the end. Only his drachnids were of any focal point (and not a huge one) of RoK.So I'd say its been since EoF since Mayong's really had anything really surrounding him. Sounds like you and Mor are Mayong haters because he's sunch a lynchpin character that the devs like to use. And tbh i'm glad that he's such an important character as he's one of the original hunting party with Lucan and Zazoo. They have their own lines and so does he, but saying everything is always based off of him is a bit of a stretch imo.That said I can see how easily it'd be to "overuse" the character. I agree w/ Rain saying he should be the shadowy Lord of Darkness never getting his own hands dirty but with an ear and eye of things around, and I agree that Mayong himself has taken on a persona so large that he himself is an icon of the EverQuest franchise to where he is recognized in the MMO community easily which link him the EQ brand. Keeping him powerfull and keeping the character selling is something SOE could do right. In EQ1 they did this to a point... but as silly as it was to allow players to kill gods in their own planes they let him be killed to.... sad really.-fist pump for vamps-

Morghus

12-05-2010, 04:02 AM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Circadian@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am SO sick of everything surrounding Mayong. Where is the ingenuity?!?!</blockquote>Eh idk, Mayongs been in the background for the better of 2 expacs. TsO was Ethernaughts/Miragul/Ykesha/Anashti and now we have SF thats more Theer/Odus based. Even before that Mayong was in the shadows of RoK only making an appearance at the end. Only his drachnids were of any focal point (and not a huge one) of RoK.So I'd say its been since EoF since Mayong's really had anything really surrounding him. Sounds like you and Mor are Mayong haters because he's sunch a lynchpin character that the devs like to use. And tbh i'm glad that he's such an important character as he's one of the original hunting party with Lucan and Zazoo. They have their own lines and so does he, but saying everything is always based off of him is a bit of a stretch imo.That said I can see how easily it'd be to "overuse" the character. I agree w/ Rain saying he should be the shadowy Lord of Darkness never getting his own hands dirty but with an ear and eye of things around, and I agree that Mayong himself has taken on a persona so large that he himself is an icon of the EverQuest franchise to where he is recognized in the MMO community easily which link him the EQ brand. Keeping him powerfull and keeping the character selling is something SOE could do right. In EQ1 they did this to a point... but as silly as it was to allow players to kill gods in their own planes they let him be killed to.... sad really.-fist pump for vamps-</blockquote>The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.As I said in my previous post:He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.Take for example:Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.

DrkVsr

12-05-2010, 04:14 AM

Has it occured to Mayong haters that the reason he keeps coming back is because he simply lowers himself to the level of the players so he doesn't actualy get killed, just his plans are thwarted/overcome/met

Cusashorn

12-05-2010, 04:19 AM

GIVE ME CHINESE VAMPIRES! Jiangshi are so much more interesting!They're spiritually empowered zombies who have to hop in order to move because they've been stricken with rigormortis. You can put them to sleep by placing a talisman over their face, and they can smell your breath, so holding it will make you invisible to them.<img src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4ndVNCYqoakxwM:http://www.cannonspike.com/CamFan/Lei-LeiX/lei-lei-bio/col-leilei.gif&t=1" width="181" height="278" /><img src="http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10459/811666-jiang_shi_large.jpg" width="300" height="300" /><img src="http://www.paranormal-encyclopedie.com/wiki/uploads/Articles/ChineseVampires.jpg" width="360" height="167" />

Morghus

12-05-2010, 04:19 AM

<cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Has it occured to Mayong haters that the reason he keeps coming back is because he simply lowers himself to the level of the players so he doesn't actualy get killed, just his plans are thwarted/overcome/met</blockquote>That's just a part of the problem. We can't win against him. So what if we set him back a step or two, maybe he has another plan or more working in the background, maybe he pretended to lose, maybe he wanted us to win, maybe what we did was part of his plan all along. It just gets worse from there. The simple fact of the matter is, that it isn't fun to go up against something....when the only option is failure.

Rezikai

12-05-2010, 05:02 AM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Circadian@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am SO sick of everything surrounding Mayong. Where is the ingenuity?!?!</blockquote>Eh idk, Mayongs been in the background for the better of 2 expacs. TsO was Ethernaughts/Miragul/Ykesha/Anashti and now we have SF thats more Theer/Odus based. Even before that Mayong was in the shadows of RoK only making an appearance at the end. Only his drachnids were of any focal point (and not a huge one) of RoK.So I'd say its been since EoF since Mayong's really had anything really surrounding him. Sounds like you and Mor are Mayong haters because he's sunch a lynchpin character that the devs like to use. And tbh i'm glad that he's such an important character as he's one of the original hunting party with Lucan and Zazoo. They have their own lines and so does he, but saying everything is always based off of him is a bit of a stretch imo.That said I can see how easily it'd be to "overuse" the character. I agree w/ Rain saying he should be the shadowy Lord of Darkness never getting his own hands dirty but with an ear and eye of things around, and I agree that Mayong himself has taken on a persona so large that he himself is an icon of the EverQuest franchise to where he is recognized in the MMO community easily which link him the EQ brand. Keeping him powerfull and keeping the character selling is something SOE could do right. In EQ1 they did this to a point... but as silly as it was to allow players to kill gods in their own planes they let him be killed to.... sad really.-fist pump for vamps-</blockquote>The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.As I said in my previous post:He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.Take for example:Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.see belowAll of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.I do agree we should have, i also assume its because the turnover of the core of the leads at EQ2 had left during RoK. so the new crew had to put stuff together for TsO. For what they did, doomcookie and such they did ok for most things (ools backlore aside)Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.it was mentioned what happened to him and his crew in Ravenscale Repository when the scientists talk to the image of MayongWuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.assumptions, which I doubt he will be put back to sleep. -shrugs- an assumption on my part he wont but again neither of us could say we know, only the wyrm queen does.All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.your personal pref for those charcaters i suppose. Myself I prefer Elddar Dal /Elder Age / EQoA lore, with tales of the Legendary 3 paladins, lore of the Dragon Wars of the Elddar empire the Elddar elves refered to as the "Old Days" when they cleared Tunaria of the dragon menace. Of the Elven hero weilding the Heart Reaver that slain Tarinax but the hero's name was lost to history, of Tal'Thex the ancient Elddar citadel guarded by stone guardians we seen in Venril's room to protect the Pagoda from outsiders b/c it held the Elddar's darkest magic secrets. These ties along with Lucan D'leres daughter /wife/ Teir'Dal of his family. I'd love if they delved into it but they dont hell they dont even give much I'd prefer this over Mayong's lore but I dont mind its focused more on him in the last 7 years then that ancient era/characters.</blockquote>

Rainmare

12-05-2010, 05:44 AM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite>The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.As I said in my previous post:He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.Take for example:Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.Barakah and Siyamak we kill in the pedestal of Sky. the Djinn Master is immortal..but through all the interactions with him through the expansion make it blatantly obvious he don't give 2 copper about anything outside his palace or deals he specifically makes with people that come to himVenril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.Venril can't die, because he's a lich. you can't kill him without destroying his phylactery...and once again his concerns are with Kunark, and the Ring/Rile. Selrach may very well be dead.All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.the only one presumed perma dead is Trakanon. wether or not the rest of the ring is dead or if say Phara'Dar resumed power is up for debate, but once again they are concerned with the Sathirian Empire, and nothing more. they are in the middle of a war.Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.Malkonis' group was decimated, though Malkonis himself escaped. this is explained in the Repository, and Mayong says he'll deal with him later.Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.Woushi in the lore leading to EoF, is painted as being corrupt/having his own plans for the Bloom. Slaying Woushi is more of an act of prevent what he might do, rather then anything he is doing.Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.</blockquote>

Morghus

12-05-2010, 05:52 AM

Like I said, I am basing it on prior experience. I have little to no doubt that Kerafyrm will be either 'a' or 'the' raid boss of the expansion, as such, unless he makes multiple appearances throughought Velious, either via instances, quests, or otherwise....he will have very little exposition and will remain invisible for the entirety of the expansion. An unseen threat, with nothing but talk about him, and no real visible evidence of him being an actual threat.Such is the nature of figures in the lore that are made raid mobs. They get a one-liner or two at most and nothing more. No explanation of their motivations, no explanation of their recent conquests, or how they became such a great and present threat that you must face them now. Why we are even really at odds with them aside from this quest says you go here and kill stuff.I mean, aside from our mythical weapons....we apparently kill our way through Veeshan's Peak because some custodian said so? Really?And you misunderstand my other point. I have no personal preference to those characters, so much as a deep seated irritation at multiple missed opportunities to have more than just one or two big players in the story. However, they obviously are hastily written out of being viable story or plot hooks so that Mayong and Nagafen cannot have their positions usurped.There are just many loose ends as far as introduced characters go, and missed opportunities to expand on such. I mean I was pretty sure there was some kind of relationship between Venekor, Toxxulia, and Trakanon hinted at somewhere, and that Venekor ikely is not gone for good. Yet not only have we not seen anything of him, but the other two characters in relation to him have little to no substance or impact on the story aside from being killed, and in Toxxulia's case, mentally imprisoned.I fully expect for example, that Delahnus from SF will have no mention at all in Velious or beyond, despite there being hints from Devs at there being more to that, as quite a bit gets put on some backburner and forgotten.It just irritates me when things are hinted at, or given very little explanation, as though it will later lead into something greater, and then there simply being nothing. It would be like the story revolving around Aeteok and Enoxus never being resolved. What if everything referring to those two blades ended with Swords of Destiny/Claymore and nothing ever came from that despite how much is hinted at or built up around them?Clearly that is not the case, but what if it was? What if the void invasion just came and went with no reasoning, if Roehn Theer never appeared in the lore outside of being mentioned here and there and the blades are never mentioned again.

Morghus

12-05-2010, 06:07 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite>The fact however remains that he has been used way too much, that his importance and plot relevance have been increased more and more indirectly. He was neat and interesting in the past to me, back when I played the original Everquest. They however, seem to be unable t allow his character to have any form of actual ending.As I said in my previous post:He, is as a character one who will continually scale in the lore so that we remain insignificant in comparison to retain the illusion of his power when pitted against us. While other characters such as Roehn Theer, Venril, and Trakanon, each of whom may as well be just as if not more threatening and capable of similar machinations and plot development are simply tossed off because they are not him.Are we thus to believe that Mayong is more powerful than any and all of those I have mentioned? More powerful than Kerafyrm with Aeteok and Enoxus as well simply because he has plot armor?If he and Nagafen do not fade away, into obscurity, or meet some kind of conclusion to their plots by the end of Velious, it will simply be safe to assume that they will always be greater than whatever current threat we are facing against by default, simply because they have been written to not be tossed away and forgotten like others.They will remain constant, unopposed players in the lore because we are never allowed to end them, yet it is okay for anyone and anything else to simply disappear with the expansion they debuted in, with as much or as little explanation and fanfare as the plot deems, usually it is the latter.Take for example:Barakah, Siyamak, and the Djinn Master...all dead for good presumably as there is clearly nothing relating to them or their canon condition in the lore past the expansion they appeared in.Barakah and Siyamak we kill in the pedestal of Sky. the Djinn Master is immortal..but through all the interactions with him through the expansion make it blatantly obvious he don't give 2 copper about anything outside his palace or deals he specifically makes with people that come to himYes, I know that. We kill them so that their power is siphoned by the Djinn Master as no other option is ever given in that regard. Immortality does not mean something cannot die, and I am fairly certain he is killed as we specifically use the Djinn's weakness to music to defeat him.Venril and Selrach, presumed dead. No info to their fate in lore, both nations they ruled over are likely kaput.Venril can't die, because he's a lich. you can't kill him without destroying his phylactery...and once again his concerns are with Kunark, and the Ring/Rile. Selrach may very well be dead.Through questlines, we end up sabotaging him by displacing his original phylactery and replacing it with a fraud. We also end up with Rile's true phylactery as well.All of VP and Trakanon, presumed perma dead by TSO signature quest line, little however is said of the matter.the only one presumed perma dead is Trakanon. wether or not the rest of the ring is dead or if say Phara'Dar resumed power is up for debate, but once again they are concerned with the Sathirian Empire, and nothing more. they are in the middle of a war.In order to even reach Trakanon, one must gain access to his personal chambers by slaying each and every one of the other major inhabitants of Veeshan's Peak. There is no way around this.Malkonis and his group of vampires, zero info pertaining toward them past EoF when they are presumably killed for good.Malkonis' group was decimated, though Malkonis himself escaped. this is explained in the Repository, and Mayong says he'll deal with him later.Fair enough, it makes sense given his disappearing acts in the past.Wuoshi, presumed dead, no info to why he is truly killed but his absence when we uncover Firiona Vie in the Emerald Halls should be proof enough.Woushi in the lore leading to EoF, is painted as being corrupt/having his own plans for the Bloom. Slaying Woushi is more of an act of prevent what he might do, rather then anything he is doing.A contradictory disconnect between the lore and what is presented in-game. In-game he does not present himself as being corrupt, and all the denizens of the Emerald Halls readily rush to his aid, and he himself wields some powers shared by the Avatar of Growth itself. Were he truly corrupt, The Avatar would have likely stripped him of such power, and then there is also the issue with all the inhabitants being loyal to him, which has the unfortunate implication that the whole entirety of the Emerald Halls is corrupt.Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.To whom, I wonder as their rightful owner Theer, is gone at the moment.All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.Only because they are specifically written as such. Poorly written plot-lines often rely on contractual stupidy/short-sightedness from normally competent individuals that they no longer wish to write about.</blockquote></blockquote>

KniteShayd

12-05-2010, 07:34 AM

Personally, I don't mind the Vamps. I was ok with the idea since Bloodline Chronicles, and was hoping it would happen back then.I am a little disappointed that it seems to have implications that point elsewhere, as I was hoping thet this would involve the Ydal and their backlore.I am just curious atm to see what the models look like.

Katz

12-05-2010, 10:30 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some of us on the lore channel have already started seeking out the Destroyer of Vampires title.</blockquote>Oh....thanks! You just gave my main a new goal. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />

Wilin

12-05-2010, 02:38 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could it be? <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=489434">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=489434</a></blockquote>It could, but I doubt it, since it's a few years late to follow on that, and it would sort of mean a mandatory change for every player of every race in the game, and so far all we know is this "One Per Account" thing until we get more info.</blockquote>You're trying to make an argument based on several ideas that are full of uncertainty.First, there's nothing that says the effect of past actions cannot appear somewhere down the line. So, the "few years" argument doesn't hold much water. All past lore is fair game for use. That's also why there is no such thing as a necropost on the lore forums.Second, storytelling is not an exact science. The lore could easily be written so that everyone is cursed, but only a select few will manifest the transformation. Hence, 1/account.And Gninja already weighed in on my thread above (just a month ago) and called you on your denial that there are implications of the NotD activities.So, I could be totally wrong or I could be partially wrong(maybe we won't end up exhibiting both vampire and werewolf traits at some point). All we have at this point is that Gninja has disagreed with your denial and some possible reinforcement in this thread along with the announcement of this vampire race. All of this doesn't necessarily mean I was right, but it's encouraging. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />

Cusashorn

12-05-2010, 02:59 PM

All GNinja did was remind me of the Erollisi day lore, which I admit i had slipped my mind at the time when I posted and said that no holiday other than Frostfell had any lingering effect on the rest of the world so far. So far, NoTD hasn't, and I still doubt it ever will.

Anaogi

12-05-2010, 05:00 PM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite>Kerafyrm, missing from KoS, presuming by past experience he will have little involvement in the lore of Velious, despite being the major antagonist, and will either die permanently or be put back to sleep with little actual involvement from him, and no more than perhaps a few sentences worth of dialogue total.Kera will probably be dealt with sometime during Velious. adn my guess will be put back to sleep or flat out killed, with the powers of Exonus and Aetoek being restored.To whom, I wonder as their rightful owner Theer, is gone at the moment.To whom, indeed. I have my suspicions...All or most of those mentioned above could have had longer, more compelling and concurrent roles in the ongoing storyline but nothing is ever done with them because only Mayong and Nagafen get to have plot relevance and plot armor.Nagafen is still around because there's no one other then us, that risk going down into Soluesk's Eye to speak with him. and even then he's smart enough to only allow a few to grace his audience chamber...adn rather then see us as instant enemies, he barters service with us. We prolly wouldn't have killed Trak if he didn't wish to kill us the second we come into his presence.Mayong is active in the world. he keeps tabs on things, and tries to make sure things follow the paths he deems best. he even talks about it in the notes in the sage's room, about the responsibility of being immortal. Mayong is one of the few that concerns himself in the world beyond his immediate enemies.and yes, going against Mayong as you put it might always end in 'failure' only in the fact that mayong doesn't die. he's siad it before that we have messed with his plans, and he has to adjust them due to our mucking about. which is why he interfere's when we deal with Lenya, it's becuase we're screwing with his plans.the SK getting the gem from him was not something he wanted to happen.Us recovering Soulfire he allowed because he learned what he needed from it, we put in a decent effort for it, and it got Lucan out of his hair.He cleans up our mess in RoK, after we do the Void's bidding, and lets us have the chelsith stone to protect it and wants us to grow stronger, to prepare for Age's End in case we're needed.Yes he out thinks us, he plans things well in advance...but he's also got prolly close to 10k years experience, and unlike the Dragons (cept perhaps Nagafen) doesn't underestimate us as both adversaries, and tools.Only because they are specifically written as such. Poorly written plot-lines often rely on contractual stupidy/short-sightedness from normally competent individuals that they no longer wish to write about.Of course there's always the big question...when we do find out his intentions, will we actually want to sabotage them...?</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>

Shareana

12-05-2010, 05:34 PM

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Uncaged

12-05-2010, 06:40 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>All GNinja did was remind me of the Erollisi day lore, which I admit i had slipped my mind at the time when I posted and said that no holiday other than Frostfell had any lingering effect on the rest of the world so far. So far, NoTD hasn't, and I still doubt it ever will.</blockquote>Actually, I believe Gninja was responding to your claim NotD and other seasonal events were not tied to canon in anyway and specifically was referring to NotD when he said "Are you sure?". Perhaps this is indeed where the lore will trace back to. A attack before we entered the haunted house.

Foolsfolly

12-05-2010, 08:08 PM

So, the Vampire race will only be available to accounts that have paid status in December-February? That sucks. My account is stuck on "Pending" status so I don't get paid account rewards, and it won't let me switch to paid until this expires in April. It was annoying missing out on LoN monthly cards, but losing out on a whole race just because your system won't let me pay is really unfair <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Xalmat

12-05-2010, 08:51 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, the Vampire race will only be available to accounts that have paid status in December-February? That sucks. My account is stuck on "Pending" status so I don't get paid account rewards, and it won't let me switch to paid until this expires in April. It was annoying missing out on LoN monthly cards, but losing out on a whole race just because your system won't let me pay is really unfair <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Pending means you are paid up until your subscription expires.

Foolsfolly

12-05-2010, 10:49 PM

Well I hope you're right...but the fact that I'm not getting LoN cards due to un-paying account still gives me cause to worry <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rainmare

12-05-2010, 10:49 PM

As to the originator of the Freebloods, there are seemingly 2 likely suspects. Tserrina, and Marcus Thex.the other vampire clans...the D'morte, and T'haen's brood...seem to have thier own ties to Mayong. Malkonis and T'haen both were looking to usurp power. now D'morte supposedly come from the Ewer...but T'haen I don't think we learn his origin. for all we know he's one of mayong's 'children'. Tserrina is a child of mayong, and supposed former lover. alot of the info we have on vampirism implies very much a dracula/anne rice type format. once your turned, your no longer a human in any way physically besides your appearance. you can feel emotion..but that's about the only 'human' thing about you.the name freeblood may imply that they are the brood/allied to Marcus, the former freethinker turned vampire by clan leaders in evernight abbey. perhaps we'll find out that Leyna and Marcus are back together and are ruling over thier own brood as mother/father figures.My money though is that Tserrina is the originator of the Freebloods. she seems the kind that respects mayong, even if she doesn't want anything to do with him..so she's not against him, but doesn't work for/with him. hence her brood are 'free' to do as they please. Tserrina isn't looking to overthrow anyone or usurp mayong or the like. she's content in her Tower...insane with a severe case of OCD about her wedding day.

Jaremai

12-06-2010, 11:09 AM

Re: the race being once "per account"I think that means the racial unlock, since it impacts the account as a whole so you can create new vampires. I am going to guess (perhaps incorrectly) that other people will have to do a quest to unlock the race (remember frogloks), but the rest of us get it as a gimme.That aside.. ttobey said they have toes. From a character model point of view, that's huge to me since I run around barefoot. Unless they're fugly, I can see a race change or two in my future. :p

DeBasilisk

12-06-2010, 11:51 AM

My hope is that it's not a perfectly new race, with a city and all that entails, but like Cusa suggested, simply a template you can apply to one of your characters. Freeblood doesn't sound evil to me. To me it implies that it's a vampire who has broken free of the curse to their master, but retains vampiric properties. From an rp perspective, players think of their character as having been bitten in, say, the NOTD, and then freed themselves of the need for blood, allegiance to other vampires etc.That's my guess. I'd say likely template characteristics would be red eyes, no reflection in any mirror, pale skin, minor stat bonus during night or moon...stuff like that.I've personally never been fond of vampires in EQ, but they've been there since the beginning so who can argue?If it is a template and not an alt, I'll apply it to my Iksar Necro and say I stumbled across an ancient manuscript written by Chosooth and underwent the ritual myself in a bid for power. That lore is cool for me. =)

kelvmor

12-06-2010, 05:03 PM

Non-SOGA Ogres have toes. See? The big toe is even seperate from the rest of them.<img src="http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd6/Rakoric257/EQ2_000214-1.jpg" width="103" height="160" />

Iskandar

12-06-2010, 05:44 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, in regard to the dialogue posted above, I'm wondering WHEN that dialogue was put into EQlive. I don't remember any NPC's that made judgements based on what you said next right up to the Omens of War xpac. It's possible this is a retcon made in EQlive's own timeline.</blockquote>If I recall correctly, that was from the flagging quests in Depths of Darkhollow... part of gaining access to Mayong's citadel in Dreadspire Keep.

KniteShayd

12-06-2010, 10:32 PM

<cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>My hope is that it's not a perfectly new race, with a city and all that entails, but like Cusa suggested, simply a template you can apply to one of your characters. Freeblood doesn't sound evil to me. To me it implies that it's a vampire who has broken free of the curse to their master, but retains vampiric properties. From an rp perspective, players think of their character as having been bitten in, say, the NOTD, and then freed themselves of the need for blood, allegiance to other vampires etc.That's my guess. I'd say likely template characteristics would be red eyes, no reflection in any mirror, pale skin, minor stat bonus during night or moon...stuff like that.I've personally never been fond of vampires in EQ, but they've been there since the beginning so who can argue?If it is a template and not an alt, I'll apply it to my Iksar Necro and say I stumbled across an ancient manuscript written by Chosooth and underwent the ritual myself in a bid for power. That lore is cool for me. =)</blockquote>I like this idea, but that's alot of race remodeling. I hope That it would be like that, because it seems wierd for Gnomes, Fae, Arasai, Halflings, Rats, Iksar, Sarnak, Frogs, and many other races to Morph into a human/elf looking race because they have been bitten. That just doesn't roll right imho.I just assumed it was a completely new race though. So if you make a new toon, or buy a race change, you get a completely new model.I also wonder if this will be a nuetral race...

kelvmor

12-06-2010, 10:33 PM

It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.

Cusashorn

12-07-2010, 12:36 AM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.</blockquote>They shouldn't be, but that hasn't stopped at least two from showing up in the game so far in quests relating to Mistmoore Catacombs.

Meirril

12-07-2010, 03:22 AM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.</blockquote>Imagine Fae vampires. I mean really? Why would a vampire bother? You can't feed on Fae. Its a bit like making a diet out of Hummingbird tongues, your just doing it to be exotic and cruel. Why would you turn a Fae? If a Fae was a vampire, who could tell? All you'd see is wings anyways.Halfling Vampires. Now that's good for a laugh. Troll vampires would be scary, mostly because trolls are scary. Vampiric trolls are less scary actually, because the probably arn't too interested in you outside of feeding. Nothing curdles the blood quite as much as a really really inappropriately friendly troll...

Rezikai

12-07-2010, 03:50 AM

Rainmare

12-07-2010, 04:39 AM

Xicotl or something like that I beleive.And I would turn a Fae in a heartbeat. one less spirit bud to propagate the little buggers with. plus I think it'd be amusing to see them gnawing on adventurers like beavers do on wood trying to get through thier armor/clothes skin <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Eugam

12-07-2010, 10:07 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>GIVE ME CHINESE VAMPIRES! Jiangshi are so much more interesting!They're spiritually empowered zombies who have to hop in order to move because they've been stricken with rigormortis. You can put them to sleep by placing a talisman over their face, and they can smell your breath, so holding it will make you invisible to them.<img src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4ndVNCYqoakxwM:http://www.cannonspike.com/CamFan/Lei-LeiX/lei-lei-bio/col-leilei.gif&t=1" width="181" height="278" /><img src="http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10459/811666-jiang_shi_large.jpg" width="300" height="300" /><img src="http://www.paranormal-encyclopedie.com/wiki/uploads/Articles/ChineseVampires.jpg" width="360" height="167" /></blockquote>Hehe, they are coercer pets actually <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Spirits, undead or living controled by the seal on their forhead.

kelvmor

12-07-2010, 04:42 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.</blockquote>They shouldn't be, but that hasn't stopped at least two from showing up in the game so far in quests relating to Mistmoore Catacombs.</blockquote>Their teeth are way too wide to make good fangs.The holes in the neck would be huge.

Brook

12-07-2010, 05:10 PM

So are these going to be the same vamp models used in Bloodlines or the new type we see in the halloween mansion?

Stubbswick

12-07-2010, 05:47 PM

<cite>Brook wrote:</cite><blockquote>So are these going to be the same vamp models used in Bloodlines or the new type we see in the halloween mansion?</blockquote>We have no idea yet. They're supposed to be releasing more info this week.If I had to guess, I would say neither of the ones you mentioned, but brand new models. Similar to how things worked with the Sarnak - the player race is much more detailed than the Di'zok, for example.

Meirril

12-07-2010, 08:53 PM

<cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brook wrote:</cite><blockquote>So are these going to be the same vamp models used in Bloodlines or the new type we see in the halloween mansion?</blockquote>We have no idea yet. They're supposed to be releasing more info this week.If I had to guess, I would say neither of the ones you mentioned, but brand new models. Similar to how things worked with the Sarnak - the player race is much more detailed than the Di'zok, for example.</blockquote>They could just re-skin an existing player race. That would be the fast, cheap and easy way to do it. Considering that this is a subscription bonus and not an expansion feature...Oh no. Coldain are just reskinned very pale dwarves. You don't think...oh noes!

Rainmare

12-07-2010, 09:32 PM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.</blockquote>They shouldn't be, but that hasn't stopped at least two from showing up in the game so far in quests relating to Mistmoore Catacombs.</blockquote>Their teeth are way too wide to make good fangs.The holes in the neck would be huge.</blockquote>I always pictured the dwarf vampires as carrying around keg taps. they knock thier victims out, strap to a table, and then insert the tap adn use them like 'blood kegs' to fill thier mugs with.

kelvmor

12-07-2010, 10:09 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brook wrote:</cite><blockquote>So are these going to be the same vamp models used in Bloodlines or the new type we see in the halloween mansion?</blockquote>We have no idea yet. They're supposed to be releasing more info this week.If I had to guess, I would say neither of the ones you mentioned, but brand new models. Similar to how things worked with the Sarnak - the player race is much more detailed than the Di'zok, for example.</blockquote>They could just re-skin an existing player race. That would be the fast, cheap and easy way to do it. Considering that this is a subscription bonus and not an expansion feature...Oh no. Coldain are just reskinned very pale dwarves. You don't think...oh noes!</blockquote>That's what Coldain were in EQLive. Hell, they didn't even have much of a blue tinge.Reminds me. Coldain dwarves would make an awesome player race, if not an illusion.

DrkVsr

12-08-2010, 02:49 AM

Frostbeards and Frostbites, one race good the other an evil virus, sounds good

KidMangaX

12-08-2010, 07:37 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's gonna be a new race, because they have /toes/.Dwarves shouldn't be vampires, btw.</blockquote>Imagine Fae vampires. I mean really? Why would a vampire bother? You can't feed on Fae. Its a bit like making a diet out of Hummingbird tongues, your just doing it to be exotic and cruel. Why would you turn a Fae? If a Fae was a vampire, who could tell? All you'd see is wings anyways.Halfling Vampires. Now that's good for a laugh. Troll vampires would be scary, mostly because trolls are scary. Vampiric trolls are less scary actually, because the probably arn't too interested in you outside of feeding. Nothing curdles the blood quite as much as a really really inappropriately friendly troll...</blockquote>I disagree with your point about Fae vampires. Though it may seem like a silly concept, it is definitely not impossible to feed upon a fae. It has been very firmly established in the newbie quest-line for Kelethin new characters that there is at least one tribe of Bixies (their name escapes me) which feed upon Fae spirit buds. There are multiple quests in the line which revolves around killing these Bixies to prevent them from stealing any more spirit buds, and one of the quests actually involves stealing a basket full of these spirit buds back from the Bixies. One of the lines of dioalogue that you'll frequently hear from these bixies during combat goes something along the lines of of, "these fae will make a delicious feast for our queen!"So, though the actual nutritional value of a single fae might be disputed, we at least know that bixies are capable of feeding upon fae spirit buds and do so en-masse. Seeing as how an adult fae is bound to be much larger than a spirit bud, and because they do not undergo some biological change that causes them to be inedible to other creatures as they age (ie: poisonous slime/spores, spines on the flesh, etc...) it could be presumed that they are similarly edible to creatures which are of a suitable largeness. Certainly a dragon would have no problem gobbling up a fae, or even an ogre for that matter, though the latter is liable to give him indigestion.So then, now that it has been established that the Fae are edible to some select creatures, one must question not the reason why they would be edible to vampires but rather why they wouldn't.My main character is a Lv. 90 Fae Paladin, and I find the idea of a Fae vampire to be very intriguing for a few reasons. The first of these reasons is because it would show that there is another way of corrupting a Fae other than by being tortured into Arasai. The second reason is because this corruption is much more 'natural' than the first... a vampiric fae would feel almost like a naturally-occuring evil nature spirit, as opposed to the Arasai, who are very artificial in their manufacture. If I recall correctly, there are nature spirits who specifically feed on blood in Celtic mythology (they might even be fae, but my memory escapes me,) and there are definitely evil nature spirits in many different mythologies across the globe that don't necessarily drink blood. The idea of a vampiric fae heakens back to these ideas, and I find that extremely unique that I might be able to play as one of these creatures in EQ2. Now, a Fae *paladin* is already pretty ridiculous to most people, let alone a vampiric Fae paladin, so I might not make my main character into a vampire if the option were given to me, but I definitely might roll another Fae for the express purpose of making them vampiric...----Of course, this is all moot if the 'freeborn' really are another race entirely, but that just presents so many problems as far as lore is concerned. Firstly, how the hell did an entirely unique species of intelligent creatures emerge over the course of only 500 years, let alone become a significant demographic in the cities of Norrath? That makes no sense biologically. Were they created by magic? That seems to be the only way to explain their existence, unless they have always been around... but these creatures weren't in EQ1, were they? And secondly, as I may have already posted in another thread, it should be impossible for any non-arch vampire to create vampires that are actually their own species (purebloods) instead of just "creatures inflicted with vampirism." If they are children of Mayong Mistmoore, who I presume to be the Norrathian equivalent of an arch-vampire, then they certainly can't be 'freeborn,' and if they aren't his children then they definitely shouldn't be their own species. Moreover, if the 'freeborn' were born naturally, as opposed to being forged by magic, and really are of Tserrina's brood as is speculated, then shouldn't they actually be dhampires seeing as how Tserrina herself isn't actually a pureblood but rather a turned Dark Elf? Doesn't that technically make her brood impure? Or does her ability to give birth to pureblooded vampires assume that the birth of purebloods is possible as long as the father is a pureblood and the mother is turned?Moreover, how does the introduction of these 'freeborns' effect the lore for the other vampire clans, namely the T'haen and D'morte? How will the village of Somborne be impacted by the introduction of these new vampries? Are these vampires good-aligned, neutral, or evil? I personally suspect neutral, and then the Othmir will probably return as the seventh good-aligned race to balance everything out again as far as numbers are concerned (right now the evil side has one more race than the good or neutral) but it would be nice if they could be good-aligned... the word 'free' in their name implies just that, that they are free from evil, and also from Mistmoore. There are lots of questions to be answered, and I am looking forward to this next expansion expressly for the purpose of seeing them answered... and also for flying mounts, lol.

Rainmare

12-08-2010, 07:55 PM

the Pureblood idea isn't part of Norrath. Vampires are not 'born' they are all 'turned'....starting with Mayong. however, there does seem to be a degradation/weakening the further down the bloodline you go...ala V:TM idea. Mayong/Malkonis/Tserrina/T'haen seem to be the most powerful vampires, with Mayong at the top, Tserrina/Malkonis prolly vying for second, and T'hane possibly at third. these four also seem to be the only vampires powerful enough to turn/control thier own 'bloodlines'...and that power is even relative as Mayong considers Malkonis to be a weak coward he will 'deal with' later.even in Eq1 the 'pureblood' sect of vampires in LDoN called themselves that, becuase they considered themselves the 'upper rung' of the vampires ruling/running mistmoore in Mayong's absence. not becuase of 'birth'and odds are this new 'race' of vampires are Tserrina's brood, which have been stuck on Velious, feeding on the Order of Rime/coldain/rygorr/icepaw/othmirs. once Lodizal takes us to Velious, they will be able to expand thier territory so to speak to the rest of Norrath.

betatester7

12-09-2010, 04:01 AM

UPDATE: Official Lore Post<a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3780">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3780</a>THE FREEBLOODEach year, the citizens of Norrath celebrate an event known as Nights of the Dead. Originated in the city of Maj'Dul, this festival honors the story of one frightful night when the dead walked the streets of the desert city, only to vanish by the morning's light. Now revelers will trade candies, don frightening masks, and tell ghostly stories all across Norrath in celebration of the event.Recently, adventurers were given an invitation to travel to the village of Somborn in the Loping Plains. Many thought the invitation to be in the spirit of the holiday - the Loping Pains was, after all, a frightening place in and of itself, and not somewhere to be traveled lightly. Others, however, found the invitation intriguing, and left to pay the mysterious host a visit.In the days that followed, rumors began to surface. There were rumors of memory loss, of strange disappearances, and most frightening of all, of otherwise strong adventurers turning up dead, slain by an unknown assailant. For a holiday that had always been largely benign, Nights of the Dead had taken a grizzly and frightening turn, and all signs pointed to the mysterious invitation from Somborn. Those lost were mourned when they never came home, and those that were found dead were buried. Some tried to look further into the strange host from Somborn, although few traces could be found.If the story had stopped here, it would have been strange enough by itself. However, it took an even more ominous twist in the weeks that followed the last days of the Nights of the Dead. The graves of the dead, left to their final rest, were disturbed. The sites were dug up, and the bodies exhumed. None could account for the macabre disappearances, and no culprits could be found. Whispers began to point at cults of the dead, using the bodies in terrible rituals, or opportunistic necromancers looking for strong, fresh bodies for their magics. Other rumors, however, said these graves were opened from the inside... and that the dead walked away from their own tombs.For a while, nothing more happened. Some forgot about the events, simply chalking the stories up to a collective hysteria following the Nights of the Dead. The calm, however, was short lived. Reports soon surfaced of lone travelers being attacked and found with their blood drained, of cattle slaughtered, and of shadowy figures moving in the darkness. Nowhere appeared safe - both the cities of Freeport and Qeynos heard the whispers, and slowly anxiety grew with the citizens. Then as suddenly as they started, the reports stopped.However, the rumors continued. Vampires were in the cities, or so the stories were told. The stories grew into theories that the governments knew about the vampires, and that they had not only allowed them to roam freely, but had facilitated their integration. Requests for information were denied by the courts, and a collective anger began to stir among the citizens - those in charge knew something, and they weren't talking. The simmer would become a rolling boil...

Lorriana

12-09-2010, 04:19 AM

Well, I had had hopes that this would all turn out to be a decent addition. Too bad it's so very lame <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Meirril

12-09-2010, 05:59 AM

<cite>Lorriana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I had had hopes that this would all turn out to be a decent addition. Too bad it's so very lame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Yeah, it could be lame. Or it could be supported by addition of quests and NPCs and then it would be meerly all right.It would be better if you could take on a quest line that had you working for either Malkonis or agents of Mayong, where eventually your turned into a vampire. The best one would be to be turned by Malkonis, and then later "freed" by Mayong when Malkonis is destroyed.An even better quest line would of been for Mayong to get closely involved with you as an opportunity to avert Ages End approaches. Just before you get to the point where you take on a critical role Mayong offers to turn you into a vampire. Your choice completely. If you reject his offer no hard feelings. If you accept, you'll have a better chance of winning this time but you will forever be his servant. What do you choose?Then just to screw with the players that choose to turn level lock them ever 5 levels until they finish a signature quest line where they act as agents of mayong mistmoor. Forever more the pupets of Mayong! Muahhahahahah.

Kamimura

12-09-2010, 08:25 AM

Aw, I was hoping for something interesting and new having to do with Tserrina. I guess the lore for them is fine, but it's a bit bland. :/ Also, does it make sense really? Lots of races go through the NoTD event, but all the freeblood are going to look human?

Cusashorn

12-09-2010, 06:24 PM

Actually the model is based off the other vampire models, which is based off the elf model in general.While I admit I am surprised that they would follow up on the NOTD thing, I think the whole thing in general is still pretty lame.

DrkVsr

12-10-2010, 01:44 AM

You do realise they did that just to spite you, right Cusa? What with you saying the NoTD event had no lasting impact on the game <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Iskandar

12-10-2010, 02:22 AM

omg, you're right -- it's all Cusa's fault!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />

Zabjade

12-10-2010, 05:52 PM

That Explains the Matoko Hair they all have! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cusashorn

12-10-2010, 06:06 PM

Hey now don't you be hating on Motoko. That's one line you do NOT want to cross with me. :p

Zabjade

12-10-2010, 06:16 PM

Who says I was hating ;p I have several of the Original Manga in one place or another along with the Man Machine Interface!I'm just yankin your chain Cusa <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />

Gungo

12-15-2010, 07:13 PM

My guess is freebloods are the first new race created by the new goddess of undeath, Anashti.As in the first vampire race born as vampires and thus FREE from the original vampire bloodlines. Mistmoore, D'Morte, ?Put it this way freebloods mean that these new vampires (somehow related to velious lore loosely by my guess Anashti is free and a new goddess) are able to control thier own actions and follow thier own path.

betatester7

12-16-2010, 01:17 AM

New Update | 12/15/10EQII Lore: D’Ryil's Letters, Part 1<a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3789" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3789</a>Verilos, Please read what I have enclosed. I have gone through the notes that were brought to me from Mayong’s library, and I believe that the sections I have highlighted below are the most pertinent to our experiments. Familiarize yourself with these.… exactly how these runes might fit together. I believe that these are separate from the runes on the inside of the ring, but their significance isn’t immediately apparent. As an aside, I am still puzzled as to what happened back in the tower. I have pondered the failure, but the reasons to her dramatic transformation elude me. I have turned others of her race, and none have changed the way she did. There is something more to this, something that reacted violently to the gift of vampirism. Utilizing magic as she does, I wondered at first if she might have entreated herself to a powerful dark force that might have lashed back against anything that could wrest control of its thrall from its grip, since she would become subservient to me. I believe, however, that the possessor would have revealed itself in some manner had this been the case. There was no message of any kind (no changes in voice uttering a warning, no disembodied spirit attempting to threaten me), so I don’t believe this to be the case. I wonder if she might have been under another sort of protection spell. Perhaps she was attempting to protect herself from the vampirism using a weak warding magic. This is plausible, although I did not feel the presence of a ward, and she had drank from the goblet containing my blood without any signs of difficulty. I suspect that if there were a ward, I would have noticed it immediately. I believe that there is something else at play here…… to continue the search for the staff. I despise their incompetence, but they are indeed necessary to complete the task I have before me. Once again, I must make note of my findings regarding Tserrina. After pondering and researching, I believe that something was different about her blood itself. I recall there being a taste to it, something that I did not recognize. I brushed this off at first as some manner of contamination, that perhaps her dabbling in necromantic or demonic arts had tainted her blood. It seems I should have not been so quick to dismiss that fact. If indeed her blood was impure, or mixed somehow, then whatever it was that she had infused in her blood was likely the cause of the transformation. I have a few theories as to what this could be, but the truth of the matter is that any discovery I make now is largely moot in regards to her. She is locked in the tower now, and will rot with time. She is no longer my concern, although I believe that I can apply the lessons I’ve learned to a similar experiment. I am interested in how a mixture like this might apply to another stock of blood, such as dragon’s blood. The implications of this are quite intriguing. I will, however, make sure and look for the same sort of tells, should I choose to take up another bride as such. I do not want to waste more time and resources on another failed venture such as that again. It’s clear to me that we must locate the notes of Tserrina Sly’Tor as well. She has the other half of the information that Mayong was missing. If we can recover that, then I believe that we can combine the two pieces of research to accomplish our goal of strengthening our bloodline. Send a thrall into the library, and recover the notes of Tserrina.Do not fail.

Cusashorn

12-16-2010, 01:19 AM

Good. She is involved. Now for Cronyn to retcon the whole NOTD stuff we just read about and this will be believable.

Rainmare

12-16-2010, 11:25 AM

actually this lets me beleive the NoTD stuff more. Mayong's notes hint that Tserrina is locked in her tower...that she can't leave it. sending out servants to increase her bloodline...particularly trying for stronger 'adventurers' might have been a first step in claiming her own freedom. they used Nights of the Dead as a cover/lure.So Tserrina seems to be the first 'freeblood'. but that doesn't mean that the rest of the 'freeblood' aren't in some manner subserviant to her. or perhaps more 'open to suggestions' from her. that cuold be why they are heading to the cities...they are answering a call to come to her. find a way to Velious, and find a way to let thier 'mother' out of her Tower.I also like how these notes hint to perhaps how Mayong created Zarrakon as well.

Uncaged

12-16-2010, 02:32 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>actually this lets me beleive the NoTD stuff more. Mayong's notes hint that Tserrina is locked in her tower...that she can't leave it. sending out servants to increase her bloodline...particularly trying for stronger 'adventurers' might have been a first step in claiming her own freedom. they used Nights of the Dead as a cover/lure.So Tserrina seems to be the first 'freeblood'. but that doesn't mean that the rest of the 'freeblood' aren't in some manner subserviant to her. or perhaps more 'open to suggestions' from her. that cuold be why they are heading to the cities...they are answering a call to come to her. find a way to Velious, and find a way to let thier 'mother' out of her Tower.I also like how these notes hint to perhaps how Mayong created Zarrakon as well.</blockquote>I will say the whole NotD crap does now tie in and seem more plausable at least. However, the best and brightest from all over Norrath and up in Odus have been searching for Velious. We are going to have to use one of Prexus's creations to get there. How the hell could one of Tserrina's lackeys 'find' us??? Just saying. Dragon blood thing was interesting tho.

betatester7

12-18-2010, 12:01 AM

Second Update:Official Dev Post:<a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3794">http://everquest2.com/news/read/current/3794</a>To the Esteemed Arelin Holst D’Ryil, I must write to inform you of our current progress. As you know, our experiments have been going very well. We’ve been able to extrapolate quite of bit of information from Mayong’s research notes, and I believe that your theories on the outcome of his attempted transformation were quite insightful. It was fortunate for us that we had the information he was missing from Tserrina’s notes. Several of our experiments, at this point, have been failures – this was expected. We’ve destroyed the majority of the failed experiments, as requested. However, we’ve found that some of the failures have yielded some interesting information as they decay. We’re interested to watch this process, and thus have kept these failures alive, partially for analysis, but admittedly there is a fair amount of amusement in their agonized writhing and cries. Finding the correct mixture of blood is, as you know, the essence to our experiments here. Too much of the mixture resulted in dramatic transformations that the recipients rarely survived. Too little, and they became ineffective, creating rebellious, angry, weakened vampires. Finding the correct balance has been a difficult endeavor. One particular experiment, a human male, has proven quite promising, however. Initially, we expected a complete failure with him, as his mixture was only slightly varied from experiments we had tried and failed with. As with the others, he writhed through the night, pleasing us with gurgling screams as he transformed. I myself entered his chamber the following night, prepared for either a wide-eyed, stiffened corpse, or a vicious, drooling, mindless beast. Neither was the case. He looked at me and asked the usual questions, “What happened to me?”, “What have I become?”… the standard list of disbelieving queries we are all used to from new blood. This was promising. In spite of all of this, I would hesitate from calling this one a success. He seems to lack many of the benefits of our race – his strength does not appear to be that over others of his original stock, he seems to lack any manner of significant regeneration, and, most fatal of all, he does not appear to be subservient to our house as he should be. This was unexpected, and regardless of all his other flaws, makes him quite useless to us on the whole. I still want to keep him alive for the time being, as there might be more to be to learn from him still. Once he has outlived his usefulness, I will see him destroyed. I am pleased, though, that we are on the verge of success, and that this recent experiment proves this. I will inform you of our progress once a significant breakthrough has been made.For the D’Ryil,Verilos