How to commision a crafter

[chuffdad]

<p>Hello Tradeskillers, you are a complete unknown to me - I am aware of your existence, and see your products on the broker but that is all.</p><p>I am new to EQ2, and have never been much of a crafter in previous games either so please forgive my ignorance.</p><p>I wish to hire someone to create T4 expert level Ranger spell / combat arts for me, as I cannot afford to buy them but am unsure how to proceed.</p><p>I have managed to accumulate 20 of the needed rare items (Ductile Loams)</p><p>I am not a member of any guild (I play solo as my gametime is very limited, and due to RL I sometimes have to log off unexpectedly so I didn't think it was really fair - I don't have much to offer a guild)</p><p>Can anyone please advise me:</p><p>The best way to find the relevant tradeskiller</p><p>If I require any extra materials in addition to the Ductile Loams</p><p>How the process works, where I need to go to, what I need to take etc</p><p>How much I should expect to pay the crafter for their service</p><p>Whether someone will likely be happy to make all 20 for me, or just a few?</p><p>Any pitfalls, things to look out for to avoid being ripped off etc.</p><p>Thanks for reading, and sorry if these are silly questions but I am very much a norathian noob - I couldn't even work out how to ask on the global evil tradeskill channel last night - Highly frustrating and also a touch embarrassing   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Many thanks</p><p>Chuff</p>

[Calthine]

<p>Hiyas!  A lot of that, like price, varies from crafter to crafter, and from server to server, but let me try:</p><p>The best way to find crafters is to join the crafting channel!  Right click on your chat window, select chat options, it'll be on a list there.  Say in the channel that you're looking for a Jeweler <span > to make 20 T4 expert level Ranger spell / combat arts.  Mention that you have all the rares.  When someone contacts you negotiate the rest, like who supplies raw materials and what the cost will be.  It'd be wise to have a list of the exact spells you need.</span></p><p>Tipping is encouraged!</p><p>To commision the crafting you'll meet the crafter near a crafting station, which could be anywhere:  in a city, their home, or a guild hall.  The two of you will pick a place you can both get to without dying.  They will open their recipe book, pick the recipe, then target you and start the process.  A window will open on your screen prompting you to add the rare and anything else you've negotiated, like fuels, raws, or cash.  It's polite to give the by-products to the crafter if you do not need them.</p><p>You'll do this for every spell made.  The spell will drop into your inventory when it's complete.</p>

[chuffdad]

<p>"can both get to without dying" lol</p><p>Wow thanks for the reply, thats fantastic.  It was the how to physically /t the crafting channel that I couldn't do last night!!  I was trying all kinds:  /t evil_tradeskill  /t "evil_tradeskill"  /t evil_tradeskill(1)  /t (1)     etc.  I think I've got it now though, duh  </p><p>It sounds very simple, I am happy to tip and of course give any excess materials they are no use to me.  So is this good for tradeskillers for xp ?  I'm just wondering what they get out of it as well as the money and I don't want to be a burden on anyone although the tradeskill people do seem to be the nicest in norrath   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I need to prepare my list in advance, then I will see who's out there </p><p>Thanks once again   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>chuffdaddy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It sounds very simple, I am happy to tip and of course give any excess materials they are no use to me.  So is this good for tradeskillers for xp ?  I'm just wondering what they get out of it as well as the money and I don't want to be a burden on anyone although the tradeskill people do seem to be the nicest in norrath   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It depends on the level of the tradeskiller. For those who make spells (there are three spellcrafting classes, for a ranger you will need a jeweler), if their tradeskill level is near the level of the spell you want, they might get some good exp out of it. For example, if you wanted a level 35 spell made, a jeweler around that level would get exp. If the jeweler was higher level, say 60, they wouldn't.</p>

[Rijacki]

<p><cite>Nevissa@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>chuffdaddy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It sounds very simple, I am happy to tip and of course give any excess materials they are no use to me.  So is this good for tradeskillers for xp ?  I'm just wondering what they get out of it as well as the money and I don't want to be a burden on anyone although the tradeskill people do seem to be the nicest in norrath   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It depends on the level of the tradeskiller. For those who make spells (there are three spellcrafting classes, for a ranger you will need a jeweler), if their tradeskill level is near the level of the spell you want, they might get some good exp out of it. For example, if you wanted a level 35 spell made, a jeweler around that level would get exp. If the jeweler was higher level, say 60, they wouldn't.</p></blockquote><p>As another place you can look, other than the crafting channel, just like there is /LFG for adventuring, there is /LFW for crafting (though, sadly, as many crafters use it as adventurers use /lfg).</p><p>Gaining XP for crafting is jsut like killing stuff for advanturers. If it's 10+ levels below your current level, you won't get experience for it. Same for crafters, their recipes are also grey, blue, white, yellow, orange, and red. BUT for most class-based recipes (like your CA upgrades would be), the maximum level recipe a crafter can 'scribe' is the same level the crafter is (kinda like how you can't scribe a level 38 CA when you're only 35). So... you need to find a jeweler who is at least the level of the CAs you want to have made.</p><p>Crafters have 'essential' recipes which come from books they can buy from a recipe merchant in crafting areas. These include Journeyman recipes for CAs and Spells and other stuff made only from common harvests. The 'advanced' recipes each require a harvest rare and include all the Expert spells and CAs. "Advanced" recipes come from special books which are looted as drops from killing stuff of the same level or, might be sold by special merchants (after attaining a certain faction level or doing a specific line of quests).</p><p>If you want level 30 to 39 CAs done, you'll need a crafter who is at least level 39 and has obtained the advanced books for those levels.</p>

[chuffdad]

<p>Thanks guys</p><p>So I need a 39 Jeweller ideally, any lower and they won't be able to make them all, any higher and its not worth any xp for them (just the plat I guess)</p><p>I know it's different for each crafter but can anyone give me some indication of what I should expect to pay for these?  I have some spare plat but not much, might need to earn some more beforehand!!</p><p>Also - Does the jeweller need to have a specific book for each and every CA / spell ?   ie might they have the recipes for some of my spells, but not all ?   If so I might need several crafters and I imagine it could take some time to arrange!</p><p>#1  write a list of everything I need</p><p>#2  find my very specific tradeskiller</p><p>fingers crossed!</p>

[feldon30]

Advanced Jeweler books from level 20-90 grant the recipes to make your spells at Expert level. However, there are some spells which are found in special books which are harder to get. K'lorn magic is one, Ancient Teachings, and I believe Rune of. I'm not on my Jeweler now. Some of the level 20-40 recipe books, as well as a few of the 52-56 ones can be quite steep, and the jeweler will notify you if there are any special costs on buying books. Also just an FYI, most crafters will not want to use the Commission Crafting system for 20 spells. It just adds too much time. If you are concerned about the crafter running off with 20 rares, try giving them 6 at a time.

[chuffdad]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Also just an FYI, most crafters will not want to use the Commission Crafting system for 20 spells. It just adds too much time. If you are concerned about the crafter running off with 20 rares, try giving them 6 at a time.</blockquote><p>Hey thanks this is the kind of info I need, because I don't know how the crafting works and I don't want to inadvertantly annoy people.</p><p>I just need my spells, I am happy to pay someone generously to make them but I don't want to get ripped off thats all   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Silvr]

<p>To type in the crafting channel you first need to figure out what channel number "/channellist" will give you that information. Im not sure what server you are on but Permafrost is mostly based around 3 chat channels (1-9, 80-89, and Auction). Every toon is automatically put into the channel 1-9 upon creation so thats not a bad one to type your general messages in. Once you know what channel number you want to type in just type, "/1 blah blah blah" , for me /1 corresponds to my level 1-9 chat.</p><p>Another option is to try the /who all command. Type in "/who all jeweler" and it will list those that are on with the jeweler profession and what level they are. Blind /tells often dont get a great response BUT if you send a tell to a few people near the tradeskill level you need they may be more willing to help as they will get experience.</p><p>Also, even though your personal life makes you think your not guild material, keep in mind there are MANY family oriented guilds out there that are just looking for people to chat with and hang out with. Some people like to be able to answer questions all day long or love running out to kill that heroic mob to help out.</p><p>Another side note, in case you are not aware of them there are a couple websites to give helpful information for many things eq2 related.<a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/EverQuest_2_Wiki:Main_Page" target="_blank">eq2.wikia.com</a><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/" target="_blank">eq2.zam.com</a><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/" target="_blank">eq2flames.com</a><a href="http://www.eq2.eqtraders.com" target="_blank">eq2traders.com</a></p>

[chuffdad]

<p>Thanks Silvr, more fantastic information.   Very interesting about the /who all jeweler, I will definitely try that as they'll be the people most likely to help.   hopefully   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    ps, is jeweler the correct spelling?   I'm sorry to ask, but over here in the UK we'd spell it a bit differently</p><p>I mostly use eq2i although it does often leave me wanting more, eq2flames has got to be one of the most intimidating discussion boards I've ever seen - It appears to be some kind of drug fuelled moshpit of sociopathic individuals burning each other to the ground for the heck of it, or maybe its just my age</p>

[Aurorrae]

<p>Every server is a little different - the crafting channel on Unrest, for example, is dead, so I would recommend using 1-9 level chat if that's the type of server you are on.</p><p>I have 6 level 90 crafters and don't mind doing combines that don't give me xp any more.  I usually do it for the plat, although for a lowbie, I know the tip isn't going to be huge, so I just do it to help my fellow players progress.</p><p>Each recipe will require the rare, common harvesting materials, and fuel.   If you come to my guild hall, i will usually just craft out of my guild harvesting box, which means that you don't need to give me the common harvesting materials.   If you try to meet someone in a town, they won't have that luxury and you'll need to provide the commons too.</p><p>If you don't provide the fuel (most crafters have), you should plan on reimbursing fuel costs and then a tip.  I have heard 2x fuel costs for the tip, I don't go by that usually - especially for lower level toons.   For level 90 spells I'd usually get a plat a combine, plus some on the top for a 20 combine set (that will take a while!).  One thing you might consider is offering the tradeskiller the dusts that are the byproduct of the combine.  Those dusts can be used by alchemists to make MC potions and poisons - I happily take dusts in lieu of tips.  </p><p>Most imporantly, just make sure you state up front what ppl want in terms of place and payment.  Nothings worse than doing the combines and then having there be a misunderstanding after the fact.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">A blind /tell can be ok if you are polite and don't just go "/tell jeweler make me some spells?", start off with "/tell j Hi, can you help me please?" or "/t j Hi, are you you busy?" and of course wait for them to reply, if you don't get a reply do <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NOT</span></em></strong> send more /tells as they are either not interested (and rude) or just busy</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Another tip: when you do find someone, and something comes up and you have to log, make sure you tell them and what time you will hopefully be back (happened to me once: someone wanted a set of armour and a weapon made but never came back, fortunately it was just basic t2 stuff so maybe they leveled up and no longer needed t2 gear or they stopped playing altogether)</span></p>

[chuffdad]

<p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300;">if you are polite </span></p></blockquote><p>Its kind of sad that you even need to make that recommendation hey, but yes it goes without saying that I will be very polite and gracious - They are doing me a favour after all.    </p><p>And the reason why I have not got this done yet is because I am waiting until I have plenty of time so no interruptions  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Thanks to everyone for their contribution here, I'm pretty confident about what I need to do now</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Ah apologise for the mis-understanding, but mah post wasn't directed at you personally Chuffdaddy</span></p>

[Cloudrat]

<p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300; font-size: medium;">A blind /tell can be ok if you are polite and don't just go "/tell jeweler make me some spells?", start off with "/tell j Hi, can you help me please?" or "/t j Hi, are you you busy?" and of course wait for them to reply, if you don't get a reply do <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NOT</span></em></strong> send more /tells as they are either not interested (and rude) or just busy</span></p><p><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300; font-size: medium;">Another tip: when you do find someone, and something comes up and you have to log, make sure you tell them and what time you will hopefully be back (happened to me once: someone wanted a set of armour and a weapon made but never came back, fortunately it was just basic t2 stuff so maybe they leveled up and no longer needed t2 gear or they stopped playing altogether)</span></p></blockquote><p>The last thing I want to do is play 20 questions with someone about what they need.  I much prefer a simple /tell Crafter  Hi, do you have time to make me 5 level 20-29 spells?</p><p>And Chuffdaddy  if you post your name and server when looking for something a crafter might contact you as well as explaining things<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rijacki]

<p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300;">A blind /tell can be ok if you are polite and don't just go "/tell jeweler make me some spells?", start off with "/tell j Hi, can you help me please?" or "/t j Hi, are you you busy?" and of course wait for them to reply, if you don't get a reply do <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NOT</span></em></strong> send more /tells as they are either not interested (and rude) or just busy</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: Comic Sans MS; color: #993300;">Another tip: when you do find someone, and something comes up and you have to log, make sure you tell them and what time you will hopefully be back (happened to me once: someone wanted a set of armour and a weapon made but never came back, fortunately it was just basic t2 stuff so maybe they leveled up and no longer needed t2 gear or they stopped playing altogether)</span></p></blockquote><p>The last thing I want to do is play 20 questions with someone about what they need.  I much prefer a simple /tell Crafter  Hi, do you have time to make me 5 level 20-29 spells?</p><p>And Chuffdaddy  if you post your name and server when looking for something a crafter might contact you as well as explaining things<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>That's still more polite than "/tell [jeweler] Make me some spells."</p><p>What I like and what I do, if I am contacting a crafter, whether or not he/she is in my guild: "/tell [crafter] Hello, would you have time and be available to make me some [crafted product]? I have [materials] and can travel to nearly any location to meet you." And then I wait for a reply. If I don't get a reply after more than 10 mins, I will send it again ONCE.</p><p>More general comments about being polite: If you get a "no" response to a cold tell, you can ask if the crafter will be available later, but don't belabour it and don't expect someone to make themselves available for you. If the crafter says No, accept it gracefully.  (In the past, have had more than one individual practically demanding I make time to craft their items and badger me about how I should do the work for them.)</p><p>But, asking in the crafting channel if there is anyone able to make [item] is generally better if you don't know the crafter ahead of time. However, don't 'spam' the channel. Asking once every 30 mins or so is okay. Asking every 5 mins or less is not.</p>

[chuffdad]

<p><cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif; color: #993300;">Ah apologise for the mis-understanding, but mah post wasn't directed at you personally Chuffdaddy</span></p></blockquote><p>Hey, I think it was a mis-misunderstanding - The perils of text-only conversation  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   I never assumed you were directing it at me, but I was commenting on the fact that it's even necessary to give that advice to anyone - Don't people get taught manners anymore?  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I am on nagafen(evil), and my ranger is called chuff.  I have a terrible habit of rolling alts and haven't been on him for a while, but plan to pursue my expert spells as soon as I have some time.</p><p>Some fantastic advice in this thread, I now have several methods in my arsenal so am quite hopeful that I can get these arranged soon.</p><p>Thank you all</p>