Concerning the 'Dal [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

kelvmor

11-21-2010, 03:36 PM

I've seen all kinds of 'Dal names.Sul'Dal, Renda'Dal, Teir'Dal, Ayr'Dal, Koada'Dal, Feir'Dal, Myr'Dal, Parma'Dal*...Are there any more I should know about?*Parma'Dal is possibly false, saw someone else use it, have no idea what it means other than "Something'Elf"

Garnaf

11-21-2010, 04:02 PM

Y'Dal comes to mind offhand. The elves you get when you put Innoruuk's Blood into the Ewer of Sul'Dae (We think Mayong is or was one, but that's yet to be proven one way or the others AFAIK)And the original elves, I think the accepted term (which is probably non-canon) is Elddar'Dal for them, elves from before the split of the High and Wood elves

Mary the Prophetess

11-21-2010, 08:25 PM

All I can think of:Ara'Dal -- found in Living TombsAyr'Dal-- half elvesFeir'Dal -- wood elvesKoada'Dal -- high elvesMyr'Dal -- found in Mistmoor CatacombsMyre'Dal -- possibly just a misspelling of Myr'DalRenda'Dal -- the "pure" elves found in New TunariaRowen'Dal -- "Rowen" seems to translate to "Royal" elves, so elves of royal bloodlines, fair warning, from EQOAShenba'Dal -- The "wanderer" elves found in the EQ RPG book.Sul'Dal -- Sul still remains a mystery, possibly meaning "sand" elves, but are associated with Undeath. Elves that are associated with Anashti'Sul basically.Teir'Dal -- modern Dark elvesY'Dal -- original inhabitants of Norrath (if Mayong is to be believed)

DeBasilisk

11-21-2010, 08:34 PM

Roast'Dal - Founds in the classiest taverns of Cabilis.Best sampled with a flagon of the Tink'N'Babble's finest Cabilis Pale Ale.

Rezikai

11-21-2010, 09:32 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>All I can think of:Ara'Dal -- found in Living TombsAyr'Dal-- half elvesFeir'Dal -- wood elvesKoada'Dal -- high elvesMyr'Dal -- found in Mistmoor CatacombsMyre'Dal -- possibly just a misspelling of Myr'DalRenda'Dal -- the "pure" elves found in New TunariaRowen'Dal -- "Rowen" seems to translate to "Royal" elves, so elves of royal bloodlines, fair warning, from EQOAShenba'Dal -- The "wanderer" elves found in the EQ RPG book.Sul'Dal -- Sul still remains a mystery, possibly meaning "sand" elves, but are associated with Undeath. Elves that are associated with Anashti'Sul basically.Teir'Dal -- modern Dark elvesY'Dal -- original inhabitants of Norrath (if Mayong is to be believed)</blockquote>Plane of Hate marry.. plane of Hate!

Maurna

11-22-2010, 03:10 AM

I was told Myr'Dal are half elf/half ogre (possibly orc?) creations from Mayong.Ara'Dal and Ren'Dal are found in the living tombs (and silent city?) and are thought to have been castes or classes back before the Elddar had to evacuate. They may or may not have been classes of Sul'Dal, which were Elddar that chose to follow Anashti before her banishment.Parma'Dal...is created. It comes from the player-written book "The History of the Parma'Dal by Aurelis and is the collective name taken on the book obssessed.

Cusashorn

11-22-2010, 02:08 PM

Why would Aurelis create a new elven name? /boggle<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187567" target="_blank">Anyways, here's an old thread discussing the elven names if you're interested.</a>

Maurna

11-22-2010, 04:19 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would Aurelis create a new elven name? /boggle<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187567" target="_blank">Anyways, here's an old thread discussing the elven names if you're interested.</a></blockquote>It's actually a really nice creation myth...should get her to post it somewhere. Also I think most of us are half-elves and Parma means book in old elvish according to the gathering on the wikia.

Cusashorn

11-22-2010, 07:08 PM

Book Elves? Really? -_-Anyways, I wonder where that word was derived from? I mean, you don't hear *TOO* much about Elvish in this game, so it's cool that we've gathered this much at least.

DrkVsr

11-22-2010, 07:12 PM

"Y`Dal"? Seriously? Ah know most people view the elves as effeminate, but "Y`Dal" is taking the joke a little to far

DeBasilisk

11-22-2010, 09:06 PM

Y'Dal is a phonetic misspelling. It's supposed to be "Why'dal."They're the original elves who asked so many questions about the Beta Lore, Codex of War and Prophecy of Trakanon that the Devs decided to punish them out of existence. Most were killed in the "Crown Wars."

kelvmor

11-22-2010, 09:47 PM

<cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Y'Dal is a phonetic misspelling. It's supposed to be "Why'dal."They're the original elves who asked so many questions about the Beta Lore, Codex of War and Prophecy of Trakanon that the Devs decided to punish them out of existence. Most were killed in the "Crown Wars."</blockquote>FR reference ftw.Anyway. The Y'Dal were, I think, Innoruuk's first attempt at making his own race. The original dark elf. They were a failure, and instead he took the king and queen of Felwithe and twisted them into the Teir'Dal, or elves of the abyss (I think), which is actually another FR/DnD thing, as the drow elves of the Forgotten Realms were once brown-skinned and black-haired (and called dark elves), but were tainted by the blood of the balor (a chaotic evil fiend that lives in a hellish realm called the Abyss) Wendonai, giving them purplish skin and white hair.Myr'Dal are the half-orc half elf creations of Mayong, btw.

DeBasilisk

11-22-2010, 10:01 PM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Y'Dal is a phonetic misspelling. It's supposed to be "Why'dal."They're the original elves who asked so many questions about the Beta Lore, Codex of War and Prophecy of Trakanon that the Devs decided to punish them out of existence. Most were killed in the "Crown Wars."</blockquote>FR reference ftw.</blockquote>My mistake. I was remembering FR instead of Codex of War.Apparently "War of the Broken Crown," is what the Proph of Trak fan fic called it.

Maurna

11-22-2010, 10:23 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Book Elves? Really? -_-Anyways, I wonder where that word was derived from? I mean, you don't hear *TOO* much about Elvish in this game, so it's cool that we've gathered this much at least.</blockquote>Here's the link if any one is interested in where the translation came from. <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Elvish_dictionary" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Elvish_dictionary</a>

Arbreth

11-23-2010, 01:43 AM

You forgot Lera'Dal, the Frostfell elves./flees....

Rezikai

11-23-2010, 02:33 AM

Lodrelhai

11-23-2010, 05:40 AM

And it's Ydal, not Y'Dal. No apostrophe. Possibly because while they are called "the first dark elves" they are not actually any branch of the Elddar, while every other 'Dal race known is derived from them in some way.

DeBasilisk

11-23-2010, 10:21 AM

Y'Dal, Ydal, He'Dal, She'DalLet's call the whole thing off!

Dalay

11-23-2010, 02:00 PM

Perhaps the 'y-' is like the 'a-' in greek (ie aporia), as in Ydal is a sort of 'lack of elf'?

Cusashorn

11-23-2010, 02:13 PM

<cite>Dalayar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps the 'y-' is like the 'a-' in greek (ie aporia), as in Ydal is a sort of 'lack of elf'?</blockquote>Woah, that's some dangerous thinking there. Keep that up and you'll soon find yourself being abducted and completely removed from society without any proof that you ever existed.

Rezikai

11-23-2010, 03:29 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dalayar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps the 'y-' is like the 'a-' in greek (ie aporia), as in Ydal is a sort of 'lack of elf'?</blockquote>Woah, that's some dangerous thinking there. Keep that up and you'll soon find yourself being abducted and completely removed from society without any proof that you ever existed.</blockquote>lack of elf ... or maye anit-elf. perhaps Inny was creating the anti-solution to Tunares chosen. Which would fudge the timing unless Tunare has elves in other places besides Norrath like maybe her plane first... eh .. not enough to go on at this point.

Lodrelhai

11-23-2010, 07:03 PM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dalayar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps the 'y-' is like the 'a-' in greek (ie aporia), as in Ydal is a sort of 'lack of elf'?</blockquote>Woah, that's some dangerous thinking there. Keep that up and you'll soon find yourself being abducted and completely removed from society without any proof that you ever existed.</blockquote>lack of elf ... or maye anit-elf. perhaps Inny was creating the anti-solution to Tunares chosen. Which would fudge the timing unless Tunare has elves in other places besides Norrath like maybe her plane first... eh .. not enough to go on at this point.</blockquote>I was more thinking it wasn't meant to refer to them as elves at all. Sort of a homophone between languages, like Spanish "si" and English "see". Later races hearing the term, knowing 'Dal means elf in elven and not knowing that/if Mystmyr had its own language (and why shouldn't they, every other race does?), assumed the Ydal were an elven race. Being creatures of Innoruuk, they decided the Ydal had to be "dark" elves, when in truth the Ydal were no more related to Tunare's first chosen race than red pandas are to raccoons.

Maurna

11-24-2010, 12:48 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite> </cite>I was more thinking it wasn't meant to refer to them as elves at all. Sort of a homophone between languages, like Spanish "si" and English "see". Later races hearing the term, knowing 'Dal means elf in elven and not knowing that/if Mystmyr had its own language (and why shouldn't they, every other race does?), assumed the Ydal were an elven race. Being creatures of Innoruuk, they decided the Ydal had to be "dark" elves, when in truth the Ydal were no more related to Tunare's first chosen race than red pandas are to raccoons.</blockquote>Ooooh I like this!

DukeOccam

11-27-2010, 02:45 AM

Velia Truesight from the GU54 quest in Qeynos (that rewards you with a Claymore replica) makes a reference to a dead language known as Dyth'Dal. Wonder what "Dyth" means.

Maurna

11-27-2010, 03:29 AM

<cite>Malfaer@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velia Truesight from the GU54 quest in Qeynos (that rewards you with a Claymore replica) makes a reference to a dead language known as Dyth'Dal. Wonder what "Dyth" means.</blockquote>There is another mention of that, possibly in the link on page one, that Dyth is sort of an old Elven language although it's unclear if Dyth = Elddar. I think?I've been looking for more information on this but haven't come across it yet on my quest to do all quests.

Rezikai

11-27-2010, 03:36 AM

<cite>Maurna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Malfaer@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velia Truesight from the GU54 quest in Qeynos (that rewards you with a Claymore replica) makes a reference to a dead language known as Dyth'Dal. Wonder what "Dyth" means.</blockquote>There is another mention of that, possibly in the link on page one, that Dyth is sort of an old Elven language although it's unclear if Dyth = Elddar. I think?I've been looking for more information on this but haven't come across it yet on my quest to do all quests.</blockquote>hmm also might be that because the Elddar Empire was so huge different provinces of the Elddar empire spoke different dialects of the old language. Perhaps the Takish'Hiz spoke a different kind of Dal from the province / area of places like Tal'Thex or Al'Farak.

Mary the Prophetess

11-27-2010, 10:49 AM

I'm not sure of the language of Dyth 'Dal, but I know that Vhalen spoke about the origin of the language of the Sul 'Dal:"Many languages were derived from Druzaic and their meanings and word usage often have similarities with that language of pure magic. The Sul'Dal had a language derived from both ancient elf and Druzaic. That language did not die with the Sul'Dal but rather, can be found in many of the lawful regions of Elixia, The Plane of Health or Life."