Emperors Fyst and D'Vinn

[kelvmor]

<p>So! Are they really dead, lorewise? Is Agtak the Emperor of the Deathfist orcs now, and are the Crushbone rebuilding their old royal bloodline?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Err... What? Who is Agtak?</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Err... What? Who is Agtak?</p></blockquote><p>In Deathfist Citadel, you get a quest called 'Agtak's Hitlist', where you meet a half-breed orc named Agtak in a hidden room in the Deathfist torture chambers. He wears a black version of the Guardian class hat and has a grayish barbarian model. He's the half-breed son of Emperor Fyst; he has you go around and kill all the other princes and the High Priest, as well as the Emperor so that he can take the throne and lead the Deathfist better than Fyst. He seems to have a good following behind him.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>The answer to your questions lies in if another dev touches either of these areas again.</p><p>Quest wise Fyst and D'Vinn should both be dead. However, there are a lot of minor NPCs that are kill-able but Lore wise they are assumed to be alive later. Most NPCs that have actual quests to kill them generally are considered to be dead in Lore.</p><p>So Fyst has multiple quests that call for his death. D'Vinn while being the boss of an instance, does not. Following the above logic Fyst is dead and the Deathfist should be in a state of civil unrest while the new pecking order is established. Agtak may have taken out his major competition but it could be that the vast majority of Deathfist Orcs won't follow him. Also the Greenhoods could possibly use the confusion to eliminate the Deathfist as a threat (which would explain their greater participation in the world politics post-40 content).</p><p>Also following the above logic D'Vinn still rules over the Crushbone Orcs and is a stand-offish ally of Neriak and <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a source of fresh blood</span> a pawn for Mayong to manipulate.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The answer to your questions lies in if another dev touches either of these areas again.</p><p>Quest wise Fyst and D'Vinn should both be dead. However, there are a lot of minor NPCs that are kill-able but Lore wise they are assumed to be alive later. Most NPCs that have actual quests to kill them generally are considered to be dead in Lore.</p><p>So Fyst has multiple quests that call for his death. D'Vinn while being the boss of an instance, does not. Following the above logic Fyst is dead and the Deathfist should be in a state of civil unrest while the new pecking order is established. Agtak may have taken out his major competition but it could be that the vast majority of Deathfist Orcs won't follow him. Also the Greenhoods could possibly use the confusion to eliminate the Deathfist as a threat (which would explain their greater participation in the world politics post-40 content).</p><p>Also following the above logic D'Vinn still rules over the Crushbone Orcs and is a stand-offish ally of Neriak and <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a source of fresh blood</span> a pawn for Mayong to manipulate.</p></blockquote><p>So under that reasoning, the Crushbone orcs are basically under the rulership of Mayong Mistmoore, with D'Vinn being a convienient puppet, like Emperor Crush was to D'Vinn in the Age of Turmoil?</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Aww, poor Crushbones, always the pawn of someone elses pawn</span></p>

[Iskandar]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The answer to your questions lies in if another dev touches either of these areas again.</p><p>Quest wise Fyst and D'Vinn should both be dead. However, there are a lot of minor NPCs that are kill-able but Lore wise they are assumed to be alive later. Most NPCs that have actual quests to kill them generally are considered to be dead in Lore.</p><p>So Fyst has multiple quests that call for his death. D'Vinn while being the boss of an instance, does not. Following the above logic Fyst is dead and the Deathfist should be in a state of civil unrest while the new pecking order is established. Agtak may have taken out his major competition but it could be that the vast majority of Deathfist Orcs won't follow him. Also the Greenhoods could possibly use the confusion to eliminate the Deathfist as a threat (which would explain their greater participation in the world politics post-40 content).</p><p>Also following the above logic D'Vinn still rules over the Crushbone Orcs and is a stand-offish ally of Neriak and <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a source of fresh blood</span> a pawn for Mayong to manipulate.</p></blockquote><p>So under that reasoning, the Crushbone orcs are basically under the rulership of Mayong Mistmoore, with D'Vinn being a convienient puppet, like Emperor Crush was to D'Vinn in the Age of Turmoil?</p></blockquote><p>hmm... it would make sense -- total conjecture here, but Mayong most likely wouldn't want Kelethin interfering in what he's doing in New Tunaria. What better way to distract them than to keep them occupied with an Orc threat? Kelethin's not going to be rolling any sort of force, either for liberation or simple fact-finding, to New Tunaria while there are Orcs setting fire to the trees the city is built upon! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The answer to your questions lies in if another dev touches either of these areas again.</p><p>Quest wise Fyst and D'Vinn should both be dead. However, there are a lot of minor NPCs that are kill-able but Lore wise they are assumed to be alive later. Most NPCs that have actual quests to kill them generally are considered to be dead in Lore.</p><p>So Fyst has multiple quests that call for his death. D'Vinn while being the boss of an instance, does not. Following the above logic Fyst is dead and the Deathfist should be in a state of civil unrest while the new pecking order is established. Agtak may have taken out his major competition but it could be that the vast majority of Deathfist Orcs won't follow him. Also the Greenhoods could possibly use the confusion to eliminate the Deathfist as a threat (which would explain their greater participation in the world politics post-40 content).</p><p>Also following the above logic D'Vinn still rules over the Crushbone Orcs and is a stand-offish ally of Neriak and <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">a source of fresh blood</span> a pawn for Mayong to manipulate.</p></blockquote><p>So under that reasoning, the Crushbone orcs are basically under the rulership of Mayong Mistmoore, with D'Vinn being a convienient puppet, like Emperor Crush was to D'Vinn in the Age of Turmoil?</p></blockquote><p>Not really. D'Vinn realizes that Mayong is much, much more powerful than he is and can't afford to get in a conflict with him. If Mayong asks for a favor, D'Vinn would probably have to go along with whatever he asked. But if the Freethinkers actually managed to kill Mayong D'Vinn would probably send roses and a case of wine (poison optional). As far as Mayong is concerned he considers the Crushbone Orcs to be a minor nuisance that can occasionally foul up his plans by medelling with the people he is trying to manipulate (usually by way of attacking them and distracting them from Mayong's plot), and occasionally useful tools in manipulating the elves and fae. Through the Indio Brotherhood D'Vinn does have some influence beyond the shores of Fadwyre.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p>At the same time, though, the Indigo Brotherhood's influence is basically GONE.</p><p>Meaning all D'Vinn has are orcs. And they aren't even as bulky as they were in EQlive nor are they as awesome as pre-DOF orcs/Emperor Fyst.</p><p>Hell, Rujarkians are currently better than Crushbone orcs, I reckon.</p>

[Wilin]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not really. D'Vinn realizes that Mayong is much, much more powerful than he is and can't afford to get in a conflict with him. If Mayong asks for a favor, D'Vinn would probably have to go along with whatever he asked. <strong>But if the Freethinkers actually managed to kill Mayong</strong> D'Vinn would probably send roses and a case of wine (poison optional). As far as Mayong is concerned he considers the Crushbone Orcs to be a minor nuisance that can occasionally foul up his plans by medelling with the people he is trying to manipulate (usually by way of attacking them and distracting them from Mayong's plot), and occasionally useful tools in manipulating the elves and fae. Through the Indio Brotherhood D'Vinn does have some influence beyond the shores of Fadwyre.</p></blockquote><p>The Freethinkers had their tails handed to them by the D'Mortes. (Reference Freethinkers' Hideout)</p><p>I'm guessing that Mayong doesn't give much thought(except maybe to Marshal Ralem Cristof) to a group that already got spanked by the D'Mortes.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not really. D'Vinn realizes that Mayong is much, much more powerful than he is and can't afford to get in a conflict with him. If Mayong asks for a favor, D'Vinn would probably have to go along with whatever he asked. <strong>But if the Freethinkers actually managed to kill Mayong</strong> D'Vinn would probably send roses and a case of wine (poison optional). As far as Mayong is concerned he considers the Crushbone Orcs to be a minor nuisance that can occasionally foul up his plans by medelling with the people he is trying to manipulate (usually by way of attacking them and distracting them from Mayong's plot), and occasionally useful tools in manipulating the elves and fae. Through the Indio Brotherhood D'Vinn does have some influence beyond the shores of Fadwyre.</p></blockquote><p>The Freethinkers had their tails handed to them by the D'Mortes. (Reference Freethinkers' Hideout)</p><p>I'm guessing that Mayong doesn't give much thought(except maybe to Marshal Ralem Cristof) to a group that already got spanked by the D'Mortes.</p></blockquote><p>Saying that the Freethinkers could kill Mayong is a bit like saying that Blackburrow could conquer Qeynos. While its highly unlikely its technically possible that it could happen. From what I understand the Freethinkers are being manipulated by Mayong even thogh most of the Freethinkers have no idea the manipulation is going on. It appears that Mayong feels his agents do better when they know there are enemies lurking around every corner who arn't their fellow vampires...</p>