Bruiser vs Fighters

[Kinsin]

<p>Hey,</p><p><span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I was wondering how Bruisers do vs other fighter classes in pvp.. I understand a lot of it is gear based so with about even gear and AA does one class have the advantage over the other? </p><p><span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Also how do both do in pvp vs other classes does one trump the other in being better in pvp? </p><p>Thanks for any help.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p>Bruisers trump every class in 1v1 PVP. It's just so.</p>

[Oneira]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Bruisers trump every class in 1v1 PVP. It's just so.</p></blockquote><p>Pls explain how it's just so.  I don't see no bruiser doin' much against a zerker, SK or Pally.  Unless you was just kiddin'.</p>

[FrostDragon]

<p>yes I am trolling but  1 on 1 my dirge has dropped a few bruisers in BG.   but that was from the long fight... I die if the bruiser can burst on me before I get all my attack detrimental buffs on( 5 to 6 of them).   the gear heals and burst damage are your best against me I make you squishie and have 2 life taps effects.</p><p>my 2 coppers</p>

[Trynt]

<p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Bruisers trump every class in 1v1 PVP. It's just so.</p></blockquote><p>Pls explain how it's just so.  I don't see no bruiser doin' much against a zerker, SK or Pally.  Unless you was just kiddin'.</p></blockquote><p>Fight Cory and you'll understand he's not kidding.</p><p>Granted, I heard that 21k EBs make him happy even multiple matches later. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>(My alt was in the vengeance match wondering where you were going. lol)</p>

[Oneira]

<p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Bruisers trump every class in 1v1 PVP. It's just so.</p></blockquote><p>Pls explain how it's just so.  I don't see no bruiser doin' much against a zerker, SK or Pally.  Unless you was just kiddin'.</p></blockquote><p>Fight Cory and you'll understand he's not kidding.</p><p>Granted, I heard that 21k EBs make him happy even multiple matches later. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>(My alt was in the vengeance match wondering where you were going. lol)</p></blockquote><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p></blockquote><p>Bruisers will beat the SK or Paladin at an equal level.</p>

[Trynt]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p></blockquote><p>Bruisers will beat the SK or Paladin at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>You misquoted. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Oneira]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p></blockquote><p>Bruisers will beat the SK or Paladin at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>You say that, you say that bruisers are OP and should be nerfed, and. . . that's all you say.  At first I thought you were joking about nerfing bruisers.  I guess you're not.</p><p>Ok then tell me how it is a bruiser will beat the SK or Pally at an equal level.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p></blockquote><p>Bruisers will beat the SK or Paladin at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>You say that, you say that bruisers are OP and should be nerfed, and. . . that's all you say.  At first I thought you were joking about nerfing bruisers.  I guess you're not.</p><p>Ok then tell me how it is a bruiser will beat the SK or Pally at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>The class is just better for one on ones, Sure the bruiser is probably going to have to be a jerk and make it extremely frustrating for the crusader but they'll win.</p>

[Beef_Supre]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oneira wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trynt wrote:</cite></p><p>That's Cory, that's not bruisers in general.  I have a 48 Bruiser in full pvp and I've learned to play him pretty well.  An equally geared, equal level Sk or Pally is unbeatable.  If you're looking for OPness, in addition to Corydonn, look there.</p></blockquote><p>Bruisers will beat the SK or Paladin at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>You say that, you say that bruisers are OP and should be nerfed, and. . . that's all you say.  At first I thought you were joking about nerfing bruisers.  I guess you're not.</p><p>Ok then tell me how it is a bruiser will beat the SK or Pally at an equal level.</p></blockquote><p>The class is just better for one on ones, Sure the bruiser is probably going to have to be a jerk and make it extremely frustrating for the crusader but they'll win.</p></blockquote><p>While few people know how to work the Bruiser class like Cory, I have to agree strongly with Oneira that Crusaders, with all things being equal, will take the bruiser one on one just because of mechanics.</p><p>Nothing is ever equal, of course, particularly not play-skill.. but I'd say picking the Bruiser to beat the SK on average is a mistake.</p><p>Now, Bruisers are better at stomping the bajeezus out of an individual scout or softie, but for big picture numbers, and even the one on one fight between the Crusader and Brawler, I just don't get how you would call the Bruiser the OPed class out of the ones being mentioned. It's a FUN class, and I wouldn't trade mine for any others, but I sure see a lot of situations where the Crusaders have a significant advantage.</p><p>Cory saying Bruisers are OPed has been kinda bugging me when I see it.. as it's on a few forums and over on Flames as well. I get that he's stunning with his, but if he had the same gear/understanding/and time put into a SK, Warden, Warlock or Ranger.. he'd probably be even more devastating. It's the guy, not the class. Bruisers are a solid A- or B+, there are higher grades on some of the other classes.</p><p>Again, I'm a Bruiser Main, and love my class. We have ability to do things well beyond just the numbers game, and can be really be terrible on an individual caster or scout.. but we aren't the top of the food chain if you want to start pointing fingers at who and what is most powerful based on (only) Class.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Beef_Supreme wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While few people know how to work the Bruiser class like Cory, I have to agree strongly with Oneira that Crusaders, with all things being equal, will take the bruiser one on one just because of mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>Beef, I like you bro but I've only seen you play the level 39. Once you get to 90 all the extra AAs and abilities... Along with better but not the best itemization will turn the tide toward the bruiser's favor in one on ones.</p>

[Oneira]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Beef_Supreme wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While few people know how to work the Bruiser class like Cory, I have to agree strongly with Oneira that Crusaders, with all things being equal, will take the bruiser one on one just because of mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>Beef, I like you bro but I've only seen you play the level 39. Once you get to 90 all the extra AAs and abilities... Along with better but not the best itemization will turn the tide toward the bruiser's favor in one on ones.</p></blockquote><p>Well Cory I hope you're right because I've unlocked my Bruiser from 48 because I'm tired of the EL WF shenanigans and I'm making the long climb up to 90 with as many AAs as I can get along the way.  Got enough tokens to outfit myself in full pvp gear when I get there and will start going for the raid gear.</p><p>I still don't see how bruisers are OP though.</p>

[Beef_Supre]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Beef_Supreme wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>While few people know how to work the Bruiser class like Cory, I have to agree strongly with Oneira that Crusaders, with all things being equal, will take the bruiser one on one just because of mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>Beef, I like you bro but I've only seen you play the level 39. Once you get to 90 all the extra AAs and abilities... Along with better but not the best itemization will turn the tide toward the bruiser's favor in one on ones.</p></blockquote><p>You're very right, Cory,</p><p>I *am* only in T4, so everything I know from personal experience is pretty schewed by that. I am actually pretty [Removed for Content] happy to hear what you're saying about one on one with a SK in 90. Right now, an evenly geared/AAd SK has a significant advantage on me, even though I can often do more in the match to win for the team. It takes a long time, and I can still win if they slip up, but in just pure numbers the Crusader has the advantage.</p><p>I do read a lot, and talk with players at 90.. as I'm getting ready to make the push, so I wasn't talking completely out my rear heheh. </p><p>But something has been getting me thinking...</p><p>You have been saying Bruisers are OPed in a few places lately, and I don't agree with that. I think Bruisers are like F-14's... (sorry, the Marine in me thinks this is a wonderful analogy)</p><p>Meaning, you aren't the best fighter plane ever made by any stretch of the imagination.. but you've managed to outfit yourselves with the best array of tools and assemble them in such a complimentary fashion that you've achieved more than the sum of the parts. Does that seem correct? People always called the F-14 the best weapons platform out there, of its time.</p><p>So, at base, Bruisers when specced just right and equipped with the perfect array of gear, can be dominant. That isn't OPed.. that's knowing your stuff. Corydonn has done that, and combined it with Player Skill to be obnoxiously good. That's not an OPed class, though, and I would *strongly* argue that he could do the same with any other class he put the same effort into.</p><p>If a proc or two got altered, or another piece of gear rolled out, the entire make up of your itemization gets changed.. and that's not about the class. Again, this is going off things I read, and I'm asking out of curiosity.. would you agree?</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<p><cite>Beef_Supreme wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You have been saying Bruisers are OPed in a few places lately, and I don't agree with that. I think Bruisers are like F-14's... (sorry, the Marine in me thinks this is a wonderful analogy)</p><p>Meaning, you aren't the best fighter plane ever made by any stretch of the imagination.. but you've managed to outfit yourselves with the best array of tools and assemble them in such a complimentary fashion that you've achieved more than the sum of the parts. Does that seem correct? People always called the F-14 the best weapons platform out there, of its time.</p><p>If a proc or two got altered, or another piece of gear rolled out, the entire make up of your itemization gets changed.. and that's not about the class. Again, this is going off things I read, and I'm asking out of curiosity.. would you agree?</p></blockquote><p>The F14 analogy is a good one.  My bruiser is 87 at the moment, and I can still kill 90's with him, but there are times when I will just get stomped no matter what I do.  It could be because I am still using mostly T8 gear, or I just haven't gotten that strat down, but it happens.  My bruiser is a beast, but hes not unstoppable.</p>

[Tenka]

as a brawler you hardly need to use any pvp gear. avoidance isn't affected by toughness. i can't beat a decent brawler on my zerk. i can't hit them. they can sure hit me tho.