New Auto-Roll (Default Auto Loot Mode) [Archive]

Soresha

10-15-2010, 04:02 PM

From the update notes: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=488708" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=488708</a>USER INTERFACE<ul><li>You can now set Auto-Roll options under Group Options (/groupoptions or Alt-O Group Options)</li><li>This will allow you to Auto Greed, Auto Lotto, or Auto Decline loot without having to press the button each time. (Auto Need is not available) </li></ul>We've just run a guild group on Test, and tried out the new auto roll option. Trouble is, we can't quite figure out how it's supposed to work. Please could you give us an explanation?E.g. I have it set to greed, but sometimes it still brings up the window so I can roll need? We were guessing maybe that's if someone else in the group rolls need on it? But it doesn't seem consistent, doesn't always behave the same way. Or maybe we're just not understanding how it should work - which makes it hard to test. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />There's also immediately an issue in a typical xp/AA grind session where you want to greed all the cash/transmutable loot but need on any shinies you're missing. Some kind of filters would be nice if that's possible? Ok I'll /feedback that one...We can look at it some more later, but a description of how it's intended to behave would really help right now.Thanks,Soresha

Zoltaroth

10-16-2010, 12:32 PM

You should never see a roll window window with auto-roll enabled. Are you using a custom UI?

Soresha

10-16-2010, 12:46 PM

<cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite><blockquote>You should never see a roll window window with auto-roll enabled. Are you using a custom UI?</blockquote>Only the EQ2Maps. Everything else is strictly as per default for me.Might be worth mentioning, not everyone in the group was using the auto-roll. E.g. people using Profit UI didn't have access to it.

Anastasie

10-16-2010, 01:44 PM

Is there anyway that you can also add loot rarity to the auto-roll. Since I'm sure a lot of people might want to auto-roll greed on legendary and below, but have the option to need if a fabled drops. I was afraid to turn this on for fear of losing out if something I needed dropped.

Zoltaroth

10-16-2010, 02:22 PM

<cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is there anyway that you can also add loot rarity to the auto-roll. Since I'm sure a lot of people might want to auto-roll greed on legendary and below, but have the option to need if a fabled drops. I was afraid to turn this on for fear of losing out if something I needed dropped.</blockquote>We can talk about it, but it would add a lot of complexity and that isn't really how this system was intended to be used (which is why there is no auto-need option).

Zoltaroth

10-16-2010, 02:24 PM

<cite>Soresha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite><blockquote>You should never see a roll window window with auto-roll enabled. Are you using a custom UI?</blockquote>Only the EQ2Maps. Everything else is strictly as per default for me.Might be worth mentioning, not everyone in the group was using the auto-roll. E.g. people using Profit UI didn't have access to it.</blockquote>Ok I need to figure out how to reproduce this. As many details as you could give me would be helpful.

Zutan

10-16-2010, 02:45 PM

I think the auto-roll greed /decline etc should be set by rarity. i.e. auto roll greed for treasured or lower but allow a normal loot prompt for legendary/fabled.

wullailhuit

10-16-2010, 02:51 PM

<cite>Zutan wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the auto-roll greed /decline etc should be set by rarity. i.e. auto roll greed for treasured or lower but allow a normal loot prompt for legendary/fabled.</blockquote>We have that already in the system on live , Round-Robin Treasured or below.

Soresha

10-16-2010, 02:57 PM

<cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Soresha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite><blockquote>You should never see a roll window window with auto-roll enabled. Are you using a custom UI?</blockquote>Only the EQ2Maps. Everything else is strictly as per default for me.Might be worth mentioning, not everyone in the group was using the auto-roll. E.g. people using Profit UI didn't have access to it.</blockquote>Ok I need to figure out how to reproduce this. As many details as you could give me would be helpful.</blockquote>Like I said, we couldn't see a definate pattern. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But we wondered if it was when someone else (not using auto-roll) rolled need. Now I know it shouldn't come up at all, I'll try it again.

Soresha

10-16-2010, 05:07 PM

Last night we were in Sebilis, and honestly it just seemed random when I got the loot window come up. We thought up loads of possibilities to check, the loot type, the chest type, the mob type, what other people were rolling. It was doing our heads in, we really couldn't figure out a pattern to it.Today we just took a group around Shard of Love. I had auto-roll set to Greed or Accept, and didn't see a single loot window. For me it was working perfectly and I auto-greeded everything. So no repro. I started doubting whether I actually had it on auto-roll last night, but my guildie does remember me saying I sometimes was, and sometimes wasn't, getting the window come up.Now the bad news, there's a bug causing some items not to be rolled. We had group set to Need or Greed on Treasured or above. I was using auto-roll on Greed or Accept. The other group members were not using auto-roll. And there were times they didn't get to roll on some treasured items, they got no window come up, the loot was distributed at random instead.We're not 100% certain but our theory is it's when you have items of different qualities coming from the same chest that this bug is happening. E.g. common/treasured or treasured/legendary items together in a chest.I found you an example, look at the highlighted section in the log below. In the loot from Willowmeena's chest, the Petamorph wand is treasured but was NOT rolled on. We don't think it's due to the No Value tag, as we also saw this happen on another occasion with a Firework: Rose Petal Shower item.<img src="http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/230/autorolllootbug.jpg" />So sorry I couldn't repro it, but there's definately one bug here to fix. We'll continue to keep our eyes on the loot for ya!

Eriol

10-16-2010, 05:55 PM

On a related note, if you set auto-roll, then you no longer get a window to loot when soloing. This is GOOD. But I'd like to be able to "auto-loot" when soloing, but NOT auto-anything when grouping. Can you seperate the options?

Soresha

10-16-2010, 06:14 PM

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote>On a related note, if you set auto-roll, then you no longer get a window to loot when soloing. This is GOOD. But I'd like to be able to "auto-loot" when soloing, but NOT auto-anything when grouping. Can you seperate the options?</blockquote>Yes it's a great feature when soloing, which is ironic considering it was put in as a group option.But in groups, I don't think it's providing what people actually want/need for convenience. A filter on loot type would best match actual looting habits, separating gear, shinies, Lore & Legend, other stuff perhaps.An alternative solution we thought of this evening: is it possible to code a check for shinies and L&L items, against whether you have them yet or not? The same way the text changes between white and grey depending on whether you still need it. So if you don't have that item yet, it overrides your auto-roll setting and gives the loot window so you can roll need on them?Edit: After a few more hours soloing and questing in Stonebrunt (and looting shinies!) ... yeah I love this auto looting. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />

TalisX1

10-16-2010, 10:11 PM

<cite>Soresha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite><blockquote>You should never see a roll window window with auto-roll enabled. Are you using a custom UI?</blockquote>Only the EQ2Maps. Everything else is strictly as per default for me.Might be worth mentioning, not everyone in the group was using the auto-roll. E.g. people using Profit UI didn't have access to it.</blockquote>Just a note: ProfitUI does not modify the group options window and I have verified that I have the option using profit on test.Silat

Eveningsong

10-17-2010, 03:46 PM

I had a few similar experiences in a group of 4 last night. BTW, I love the auto loot for solo, I've been asking for that to be an option for a long time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.I was boxing 2 toons (I use default UI with eq2maps only, running on same computer), and one was declining all and one was greeding all, as I always decline on one toon so I'm not getting a double chance at loot. One other friend was also greeding all, the 4th person had no autoloot set, as she was lower level and wanted the option to need if something was going to be an upgrade for her. Perfect setup for using autoloot <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />, something else I've often wanted - the ability to autodecline on one toon, since we play this setup every Sat night.For the most part it seemed to be working ok, although I wasn't worried much about loot myself so wasn't paying that close attention, but then I realized that my 2nd toon started having the greed window appear on several ornate chests. I'm wondering if it was the overall group settings taking affect before applying the autoloot settings, as the group leader had the usual Need before Greed group set before I told them about the new autoloot setting option, but I'm not sure if he had a loot level set that was only triggering specific types of items. Next time that I notice this happening I'll check on that.I also noticed that on a couple of occasions my "greed" toon wasn't getting any window to click and she wasn't listed in the rolls that were autodone. She was definitely in range for the loot but the item was tagged lore, so its possible that she already had the item and couldn't receive it. It would be nice to get a message to clarify that if its the case, to avoid any confusion.Otherwise I really like the feature. It would be nice to have two though, as someone else mentioned... a solo and a group version. But even what we have is way better than what we had <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />.

Soresha

10-17-2010, 04:00 PM

Another /feedback point, just repeating here for discussion:It might be stretching the intended use a bit, but since no longer having to accept loot when collecting shinies is such a great huge improvement... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Please can the same be set up for transmuting? If the auto looting is set to Accept, and I transmute something, can the resource just go straight into my inventory in the same way? Pretty please? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

schizmark

10-17-2010, 06:09 PM

Speaking of 'auto', why isn't there an auto-loot all option for PvE? I know I'm going to take everything that whatever corpse is in front of me drops, so why not let me just click the corps, loot everything and move on? If this already exists, then please tell me where I can find it. I've poured over every menu option and gotten nowhere.

Soresha

10-17-2010, 06:52 PM

<cite>schizmark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Speaking of 'auto', why isn't there an auto-loot all option for PvE? I know I'm going to take everything that whatever corpse is in front of me drops, so why not let me just click the corps, loot everything and move on? If this already exists, then please tell me where I can find it. I've poured over every menu option and gotten nowhere.</blockquote>Although it's called "auto-roll" and aimed at groups, this new option we have on Test now does this for you.There are 3 options for auto-roll:<ul><li>None (i.e. manual)</li><li>Greed or Accept</li><li>Decline</li></ul>If you go soloing with Greed or Accept on, when you click to loot (or pick up shinies) it goes straight into your inventory. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Slightly odd is if you go soloing with Decline on, when you click a corpse which has loot, it won't pick it up. Same with shinies if you click one, it stays on the ground. I guess it's working as intended, and it's just a bit silly to set this option when soloing.

Bhagpuss

10-18-2010, 06:25 AM

<cite>Soresha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>schizmark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Speaking of 'auto', why isn't there an auto-loot all option for PvE? I know I'm going to take everything that whatever corpse is in front of me drops, so why not let me just click the corps, loot everything and move on? If this already exists, then please tell me where I can find it. I've poured over every menu option and gotten nowhere.</blockquote>Although it's called "auto-roll" and aimed at groups, this new option we have on Test now does this for you.There are 3 options for auto-roll:<ul><li>None (i.e. manual)</li><li>Greed or Accept</li><li>Decline</li></ul>If you go soloing with Greed or Accept on, when you click to loot (or pick up shinies) it goes straight into your inventory. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Slightly odd is if you go soloing with Decline on, when you click a corpse which has loot, it won't pick it up. Same with shinies if you click one, it stays on the ground. I guess it's working as intended, and it's just a bit silly to set this option when soloing.</blockquote>Could I just make the case for keeping the current, "Manual" option. Deciding what to loot from each mob I kill is core gameplay for me. It really is one of the things I most enjoy about any MMO and I detest auto-loot systems with a passion.I understand this is probably a minority opinion, but I like to do all my key-presses myself and not have the game do them for me. Automating what many see as boring "housekeeping" functions looks to me like a slide down the slope towards ProgressQuest.Adding automation as an option is perfectly fine and a good thing. Just please always leave the full manual option for the few of us that play MMOs primarily for the pure joy of inventory management.

Nijia

10-18-2010, 09:22 AM

Soresha:An alternative solution we thought of this evening: is it possible to code a check for shinies and L&L items, against whether you have them yet or not? The same way the text changes between white and grey depending on whether you still need it. So if you don't have that item yet, it overrides your auto-roll setting and gives the loot window so you can roll need on them?Agree.Ahh but you have this problem: unless you automatically add it to the lore/legend or collection, the game would have to keep track of who received what on top of the current state of their collections. I've had the same problem in instance runs where I want to need just once but sometimes I forgot to double click the lore/legend after looting,; and used Need more than once.This would be a nice way to fix that. Basically whenever the game does this check it would have to first check in a "local" list of looted lore/legend or shinies for the person. When a person receives the item, the item is flagged for this person as "received this lore/legend/collection item in current group.That means you dont have to activate the item, it just goes to bags. If you want to pass it to an alt you can. But you can not get precedence over a group member that does not have the item yet, either received during the group run (local flag), or already in quest or collection (server flag). Once everyone has it already flagged in collection/quest OR looted once (flagged) then they can roll it, which would do the auto greed.That would enforce a rule where every person must have already activated or looted once a lore/legend shiny, before others can loot more of the same time. To me that seems fine, group mates should always have priority over reselling or using on alts (imho).

Kordran

10-18-2010, 12:55 PM

One thing I think would be good to change, and shouldn't be much work, would be to have an option that basically says "always automatically loot when solo". Right now, you have to remember to manually go into options and switch it back and forth. Not a huge deal, but it would be a convenience.

Kordran

10-18-2010, 12:59 PM

<cite>Willit@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would enforce a rule where every person must have already activated or looted once a lore/legend shiny, before others can loot more of the same time. To me that seems fine, group mates should always have priority over reselling or using on alts (imho).</blockquote>Except for situations that I've been in numerous times, where a group needs a tank but I've already done the collections, I'm capped at everything and primarily play that toon to raid. If I'm going to come into that group to help them out, I want the right to be able to get stuff for my alt -- including shineys -- because otherwise there's absolutely zero incentive for me to run Rescue for the 1,239th time.

Nijia

10-18-2010, 02:52 PM

<cite>Arandar@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Willit@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would enforce a rule where every person must have already activated or looted once a lore/legend shiny, before others can loot more of the same time. To me that seems fine, group mates should always have priority over reselling or using on alts (imho).</blockquote>Except for situations that I've been in numerous times, where a group needs a tank but I've already done the collections, I'm capped at everything and primarily play that toon to raid. If I'm going to come into that group to help them out, I want the right to be able to get stuff for my alt -- including shineys -- because otherwise there's absolutely zero incentive for me to run Rescue for the 1,239th time.</blockquote>In this scenario most likely you will see them, since you end up killing dozens of the same monster types and it doesn't take a long time for everyone to have one lore/legend of the same type. Now I wouldn't mind that others get it first to complete their collection/quests, but ymmv and I understand your point of view.

Eriol

10-18-2010, 05:21 PM

<cite>Bhagpuss wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could I just make the case for keeping the current, "Manual" option. Deciding what to loot from each mob I kill is core gameplay for me. It really is one of the things I most enjoy about any MMO and I detest auto-loot systems with a passion.I understand this is probably a minority opinion, but I like to do all my key-presses myself and not have the game do them for me. Automating what many see as boring "housekeeping" functions looks to me like a slide down the slope towards ProgressQuest.Adding automation as an option is perfectly fine and a good thing. Just please always leave the full manual option for the few of us that play MMOs primarily for the pure joy of inventory management.</blockquote>I won't speak for everybody here, but I agree with the idea of keeping manual an option. I WANT the auto-option, but I see nothing wrong with preserving full manual for those that want it. The people in favor of auto (including me) lose nothing by it.

Eveningsong

10-18-2010, 06:26 PM

Full manual is still there as an option, I don't think there was ever any intention of taking that away. Just leave autoloot at "none", which is the default.

Wasuna

10-19-2010, 01:07 PM

Didn't provide the loot window to loot quest items for people that had loot turned off.

Brook

10-19-2010, 01:33 PM

What was wrong with the system we have had for years?

Eveningsong

10-19-2010, 01:47 PM

Nothing, but lots of people have asked for these types of improvements, especially the option to autoloot when solo. I really like the potential of the changes, hopefully the odd bugs will be ironed out quickly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. And if you don't do anything to your autoloot default ("none") you shouldn't be affected by the changes at all.

schizmark

10-21-2010, 11:05 AM

<cite>Bhagpuss wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Soresha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>schizmark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Speaking of 'auto', why isn't there an auto-loot all option for PvE? I know I'm going to take everything that whatever corpse is in front of me drops, so why not let me just click the corps, loot everything and move on? If this already exists, then please tell me where I can find it. I've poured over every menu option and gotten nowhere.</blockquote>Although it's called "auto-roll" and aimed at groups, this new option we have on Test now does this for you.There are 3 options for auto-roll:<ul><li>None (i.e. manual)</li><li>Greed or Accept</li><li>Decline</li></ul>If you go soloing with Greed or Accept on, when you click to loot (or pick up shinies) it goes straight into your inventory. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />Slightly odd is if you go soloing with Decline on, when you click a corpse which has loot, it won't pick it up. Same with shinies if you click one, it stays on the ground. I guess it's working as intended, and it's just a bit silly to set this option when soloing.</blockquote>Could I just make the case for keeping the current, "Manual" option. Deciding what to loot from each mob I kill is core gameplay for me. It really is one of the things I most enjoy about any MMO and I detest auto-loot systems with a passion.I understand this is probably a minority opinion, but I like to do all my key-presses myself and not have the game do them for me. Automating what many see as boring "housekeeping" functions looks to me like a slide down the slope towards ProgressQuest.Adding automation as an option is perfectly fine and a good thing. Just please always leave the full manual option for the few of us that play MMOs primarily for the pure joy of inventory management.</blockquote>Since making the auto-roll selection is an option, you have no worries. The game still defaults to clicking, so you're fine.