7-Year Veteran Reward: Mistmoore Crag Estate

[Amnerys]

<p style="text-align: center;"><img src="http://everquest2.com/images/en/logos/EQII/EQII_Logo.png" width="400" height="149" /></p> <p>EverQuest II's 6th Anniversary is rapidly approaching, and with it comes the 7-Year Veteran Reward! Huzzah!</p> <p>In honor of this momentous occasion, we are pleased to offer veteran EQII players our most grandiose reward yet; the Mistmoore Crag Estate.</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdates/GU58/mce_5.jpg"></a></p><p style="text-align: center;"><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdates/GU58/mce_5_th.jpg" border="0" width="450" height="350" /></p><p><a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/102010/3696" target="_blank">Read More</a></p>

[Eshaac]

<p>Yeah!!! love it.. can't wait <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Eshaac</p>

[Alvane]

<p>I guess it's fine for decorators and those who care about housing. Is there nothing else?</p><p>NM - didn't see the small link to the rest of the rewards. Ah, repeating the wand of forgiveness. And bunch of appearance gear. The TS vitality will come in handy if leveling a crafter.</p>

[Geothe]

<p>Just a house?</p><p>Grats to the small portion of the player base that go ga-ga over decorating I guess.</p>

[Tanithis]

<p>I only have 6 years and 7 months due to having to cancle my account because I was leaving on deployment to Afghanistan. Is there any way that I can get those few months added back to my account?</p><p>Thanks</p>

[Cloudrat]

<p>AWESOME!   I know a lot of people will be pleased with this<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Many have asked for this place to become a home.</p><p>If it's not too late heh I hope the portal to it is in an easily accessible place for newbies good and evil to visit<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The description says overlooking the moors, so maybe the portal is at the landing which has all 3 travel sites, crafting, banking and  broker available<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[TalisX1]

<p><cite>Cloudrat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AWESOME!   I know a lot of people will be pleased with this<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />   Many have asked for this place to become a home.</p><p>If it's not too late heh I hope the portal to it is in an easily accessible place for newbies good and evil to visit<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> The description says overlooking the moors, so maybe the portal is at the landing which has all 3 travel sites, crafting, banking and  broker available<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Overlooking Timourous Moors in Loping Planes, not the Moors of Ykesha.</p><p>Silat</p>

[Eveningsong]

<p>Best vet reward ever!  /swoon</p><p>But I do hope there is something for the non-decorating crowd <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

[JoarAddam]

<p>awesome... With all my bonuses 7 years comes pretty soon.</p>

[Hirofortis]

<p>You will always find someone who will complain about 6 years of stuff for them and now an amazing house for the others.  Ignore them, they did not get enough sleep or something.  This is probably one of the nicest vet rewards and I can't wait till I hit the 7 year mark. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[dawy]

<p>nice one!!</p>

[kdmorse]

<p><cite>Hirofortis@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You will always find someone who will complain about 6 years of stuff for them and now an amazing house for the others.  Ignore them, they did not get enough sleep or something.  This is probably one of the nicest vet rewards and I can't wait till I hit the 7 year mark. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Yup, it's a house.  It's a lovely house.  It's a wonderful house.</p><p>Folks that are into houses will be overwhelmed with glee.  Folks who aren't into houses, will of course be underwhelmed.</p><p>If this is all there is to the 7 year reward - don't be too hard on the folks that feel like they got nothing (which includes myself) - because for those who are not into housing, or not planning on moving, that's kinda exactly what they got.</p><p>(I'm still hoping there will be more)</p><p>-Ken</p>

[Leko]

<p>Very Nice love it.</p><p>but I just moved into my Skyblade <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Oh well. Thank the gods for the gnome moving service.</p>

[Sydares]

<p><cite>Ynnek@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yup, it's a house. </p>[...] Don't be too hard on the folks that feel like they got nothing (which includes myself) - because for those who are not into housing, or not planning on moving, that's kinda exactly what they got.</blockquote><p>This. While I'm not one to say no to something that's essentially free (nevermind the monthly fees that require this gift), I can safely say that if this is all that's given in the 7-Year package, you will disappoint a whole lot of people.</p>

[Dreadpatch]

I don't even know what to say about this. It's a great reward for people who care about housing and decorating... Wait, not even a great reward, it's an EPIC reward for those people who like housing and decorating. Then there's me... Been playing for 6 plus years, and all my toons are still in there one bedroom apartments in their starting cities. I simply dump all the house items in there to get them out of my inventory and go there to use my aa mirror or refresh my blessings & miracles. So I guess huge gratz for those folks who are into housing. Kind of makes me a sad panda tbh, but I'm glad at least some folks are happy with this.

[Warkral]

<p>WOW, that is just insane! I'm not a decorator, I barely spend any time in my house at all, but that place is crazy nice. I'm super impressed, someone(or a group of people) went above and beyond the call here. THANKS!! Well...thanks in a year and a half for me that is haha.</p>

[Te'ana]

<p>My husband and I are drooling over this award. We can't wait until our seven years rolls around in a few month!</p>

[Slowin]

<p>Not even more experience potions at least? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'll echo what others have said.  Very disappointing.  But grats to the house lovers out there.</p>

[Senya]

<p><cite>Elusion@Nektulos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I don't even know what to say about this. It's a great reward for people who care about housing and decorating... Wait, not even a great reward, it's an EPIC reward for those people who like housing and decorating. </blockquote><p>Epic indeed!  When I returned to the game I didnt try to reactivate an old account from 2005 because I couldn't remember anything but the username and I knew all I had left on it when I left was a lvl 7 bruiser.  Other toons had been moved to the exchange servers and found new homes.  Right now I'm kicking myself so hard for not taking the extra time to recover that old account.  I'd have been so much closer than now to this house. </p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Elusion@Nektulos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I don't even know what to say about this. It's a great reward for people who care about housing and decorating... Wait, not even a great reward, it's an EPIC reward for those people who like housing and decorating. Then there's me... Been playing for 6 plus years, and all my toons are still in there one bedroom apartments in their starting cities. I simply dump all the house items in there to get them out of my inventory and go there to use my aa mirror or refresh my blessings & miracles. So I guess huge gratz for those folks who are into housing. Kind of makes me a sad panda tbh, but I'm glad at least some folks are happy with this.</blockquote><p>Nevermind the free upkeep, and most likely 5 broker boxes for free (which is what the Skyblade Skiff offers). It means you'll never hear people complaining that you didn't pay your rent, lol.</p>

[Lady Shai]

<p>It's lovely!!</p><p>Per acct or per character?</p><p>And are there any other goodies or was this it? I love the idea of a house btw...</p>

[Stellannis]

<p>Oh /cry! I am only at 3 yrs or so lol</p><p>I love it! I'm not even really into decorating and I haven't been into my own house in a while, but I think this is too amazing. I love the style! and the outside balcony is neat-o!</p><p>I only wish I was closer to receiving it.</p><p>Speaking of that, do we not get time bonuses for expansions anymore? The last bonus i got was RoK, so I guess not?? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cyliena]

<p>10 1/2 months cannot pass fast enough! I already bullied my guild leader into letting me decorate her estate next week... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Sacra Magice]

<p>I am not a decorator, and I don't think I will have the time to decorate that... so maybe I won't even /claim mine. But, in any case, I have to say that:A) Awesome veteran reward. Probably the best one ever. Very nice one. Awesome roleplaying value. Lots of hours of fun for a lot of people...</p><p>B) But I do hope there will be something for the non decorators like me included with the vet reward pack <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Lady Shai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Per acct or per character?</p></blockquote><p>Veteran rewards are one per character. So each of your characters can have one.</p>

[FinalHolmes]

<p>WOW, what can I say, first class work!Please try and keep this for Veteran Players only, I don't want to see this reward pop up in Station Cash or Legends of Norrath.</p>

[Shailas]

<p>I'm pleased, but not sure if I'm going to give it up for my Skyblade.  I'll have to see what it looks like first.</p>

[Brook]

<p>Will we be able to change wall ceiling and floor textures the way we could in the original home models or will we be locked in to what someone else thinks is nice?</p><p>Not saying it isn't an epic reward and all, just want to know if its going to be as lame as the rest of the housing options with the exception of Freeport and Qeynos. Been seeing a lot of lazy programing as of late.</p>

[Rixan]

<p>Sorry, but this 7 year veteran is absolutely lame compared to 6 year veteran reward.</p><p>Disappointment.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>I am in awe of this house and cant wait till early November to claim this!  Maybe something will be thrown in for those that are not into housing but on a personal level, I will be thrilled with this alone!!!  Thanks so much; it looks wonderful.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Brook wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Will we be able to change wall ceiling and floor textures the way we could in the original home models or will we be locked in to what someone else thinks is nice?</p><p>Not saying it isn't an epic reward and all, just want to know if its going to be as lame as the rest of the housing options with the exception of Freeport and Qeynos. Been seeing a lot of lazy programing as of late.</p></blockquote><p>Doubtful you'll be able to change the textures. Being able to change the textures is a nightmare as far as zone design goes, which is why you don't see new houses support the feature.</p>

[Katz]

<p>I know its probably not possible, but I sure wish you could have your regular house AND the skyblade house and/or the vet house.  I have houses that are decorated that I don't want to give up, so I've not even claimed my skyblade house.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Katz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know its probably not possible, but I sure wish you could have your regular house AND the skyblade house and/or the vet house.  I have houses that are decorated that I don't want to give up, so I've not even claimed my skyblade house.</p></blockquote><p>Multiple housing is someting that has been wanted for a long time but I am guessing there are issues with broker sales and guild hall home teleporters among other things.  I sure hope they decide to look into this option some day as it would be great to be able to have more than one home!</p>

[kcirrot]

<p>Will there be a way to get to the estate from the main cities?  This house is awesome, but not too interested in moving from South Qeynos if I'm going to be out in BFE.</p>

[Enna]

<p>*blinks*</p><p>*rubs her eyes, blinking again, and then pinches herself to make sure she's awake* Ouch!</p><p>Well, it -seems- real...</p><p>To be truthful, and my apologies to the folks who worked so hard to make it happen -- I can appreciate the craftsmanship, even when the result isn't "my cup of tea" -- I'm not greatly looking forward to the 6-year reward. I'm really not much into red-and-black with evil overtones. But hey, free goodies are always welcome. I know lots of folk were pleased with those appearance items, and I'm glad for them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>This one though... *checks the calendar* ... 7 years can't come soon enough!</p><p>So very nice. And zero rent, too!  *cheers*</p><p>I probably won't be getting this house for all my characters, since variety is also fun. Some will definitely get this house though... when I grow into 7-year vet reward eligibility.</p><p>I hope there's an access from somewhere reasonably safe, like perhaps Somborn village, for lower-level characters? (My tradeskillers tend to have high levels in tradeskilling, but only moderate levels in adventuring).</p><p>Either way -- Many thanks! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>*tries not to squirm with impatience*</p><p>The next three years are likely to feel longer than they truly are...</p>

[Zunarn15]

<p>Love it love it love! I cannot wait!</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Will there be a way to get to the estate from the main cities?  This house is awesome, but not too interested in moving from South Qeynos if I'm going to be out in BFE.</p></blockquote><p>The portal to this house is in South Qeynos (and South Freeport) and is in the same location as the airship if you are familiar with that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zyllah]

<p>Who can I thank heavily for this wonderful gift???</p><p>Seriously, as a decorator and carpenter, I'd be perfectly willing to give up my fury's house in Neriak for this puppy.  2 more years (give or take) can't come soon enough!</p>

[Keianna]

<p>I am not that much into decorating, but this is amazing.</p><p>The downside; my main already has rent-free house in FP, and all my characters have the rent-free skiffblade.</p><p>I do not mind being forced to have 1 house per character, but they need to implement:Call HomeCall to Alt Home (ability to call to the home of your alts (comes up like CoV, listing the homes of your account's characters).</p><p>Looking forward to this, in almost 11months... /sigh</p>

[Keikoku]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I guess it's fine for decorators and those who care about housing. Is there nothing else?</p><p>NM - didn't see the small link to the rest of the rewards. Ah, repeating the wand of forgiveness. And bunch of appearance gear. The TS vitality will come in handy if leveling a crafter.</p></blockquote><p>I think you're looking at the 6th year stuff.  The 7 year hasn't been added to that page yet.</p>

[Tinily]

<p>My husband and I are incredibly happy to see this reward coming. You guys have just guaranteed that I'm not going to let my original Sony account die now.</p><p>I'm not into decorating, but I love the houses! And, who knows, some day I might want to decorate. Until then, I'll certainly have a wonderful house waiting.</p><p>GREAT WORK!</p>

[Ariellia]

<p>Wow! When I first heard someone mention this in-game, I had to come to the site and check it out. I thought it was a joke.</p><p>Add me to the folks who think this is absolutely incredible!</p><p>I'm not even a huge decorator, but I still think this a huge reward. I'm going to look forward to never paying rent again, and maybe even having more broker slots <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Who knows, this actually may get me more into decorating (or maybe I'll hire one of my guildies who are better at it than I am <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />)</p><p>Thanks to the devs and folks who made this happen <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Will there be a way to get to the estate from the main cities?  This house is awesome, but not too interested in moving from South Qeynos if I'm going to be out in BFE.</p></blockquote><p>if what I"ve seen on Test and Test copy is any indcation the answer would be yes right next to the skiff entrance clickie</p>

[Melanchol]

will you be increasing the item limits on this home to match the newly increased item limits in other homes?

[Barbai]

<p>And here I just got my halas manor the way I like it.</p>

[Kyiara]

<p>This is an incredible vet reward! Very very nicely done SOE! Now I know what was on your guys mind when it was mentioned at Fan Faire that more "speciality housing" was in the wings! WOOT! Only wish I was closer than one year! LOL</p><p>And for those folks all worried about whether there will be something for the non-decorators out there...seriously...take a look at your previous vet rewards...have you EVER been given just one thing???? No doubt there will be other stuff, at least potions or some other items.  SOE wanted to showcase something cool, so the announcement was about the house, but I'd almost bet money there will be other items. </p><p>I for one am just excited to see something that clearly has some effort put into it given as a reward!</p>

[Kunaak]

<p>is that all there is - this house?</p><p>I dont even care about the houses I use for my toons now - this kinda thing gives me little to look forward to.</p>

[ratdeath]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Squeek!</strong></span> Nice, me likes it, maybe me moves there.</p><p>Would it be possible to add port to friends/alts houses feature using the guild hall "portal to house" thingy?</p>

[Bruji]

Oh what a wonderful, awesome reward!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see there are some that are not interested in houses, but I LOVE THEM and this one is just MAGNIFICENT. I am going to have such fun decorating mine and my friends I just drool. THANKS, OH THANKS SO VERY MUCH. This is the best ever!!!!

[Whilhelmina]

<p>Oh, why was my char transferred to a new account? Well, I'll have hubby chars to decorate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I LOOOOOVE IT !</p><p>I hope there are nice coffins in the basement too <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>My shadowknight alt will love it. My main however wil stay in 4 bayle court becuase i worked hard on stat reduction to 0 cost and have everything the wya i like it there. But my alt will love it.</p>

[mysticalone]

<p>This is a wonderful vet gift</p><p>and to those that are talking about being left out.  I dont recall a whole lot of houses and decorator items in the last 6 years as vet rewards.  I think we got a headstone at one point once.   In any event I will be using it and hoping although possible a bit too greedy its in addition to our present housing lol.  I made the assumption it was, but this could be wrong.  Either way I cant wait to make it haunted with those noise boxes and fog and all the other stuff i have.</p><p>Thanks for something that is not consumable and that disappears after I use it.  I mean I liked those potions but not much to show once they are gone..</p>

[Duotang]

<p>Sorry if I missed this, but will there be a name suffix added to the 7 year vet rewards? There has not been a suffix added since "Zealous".</p>

[thog_zork]

<p>only a house <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>iam so disappointed ... hoped for something with an useful effect</p>

[Jaremai]

<p>It's nice but since I'm still 100 days away from the 6yr reward, all I can do is /yawn.</p><p>In EQ1, at least earlier this century, you would get vet rewards based on your accumulated time PLUS any prepaid subscription time - i.e. if you were a 4yr vet and bought a 1yr subscription, then grats, you have the 5yr reward because Sony had your money.</p><p>Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work like that anymore, which is incredibly frustrating to me since I've been playing since beta but had to take a break due to personal financial reasons.  Not being able to fill in the blank makes me a sad customer.  Further unfortunately, Sony doesn't care anymore, even if they have your money in the form of a prepaid longterm sub.</p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's nice but since I'm still 100 days away from the 6yr reward, all I can do is /yawn.</p><p>In EQ1, at least earlier this century, you would get vet rewards based on your accumulated time PLUS any prepaid subscription time - i.e. if you were a 4yr vet and bought a 1yr subscription, then grats, you have the 5yr reward because Sony had your money.</p><p>Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work like that anymore, which is incredibly frustrating to me since I've been playing since beta but had to take a break due to personal financial reasons.  Not being able to fill in the blank makes me a sad customer.  Further unfortunately, Sony doesn't care anymore, even if they have your money in the form of a prepaid longterm sub.</p></blockquote><p>This is exactly why its called veteran reward. Its something for people who did not take a break. I feel with you, but thats exactly what this whole concept is. For people who were subscribed the whole time. Whether you can buy pre-paid time or not is something i cant decide. I would be against it tho. There should be things left in this game that cannot be reached with simple money.</p>

[Striikor]

<p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>Great! Not!</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>In a word, underwhelmed.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>So I trade my Magical Manor (free anyway), so no improvement whatsoever in my case. Waited 7 years for a BLANK award! Upkeep on my previous manor was absolutely no problem. </strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>So will I at least be able to have all my toons on the account be 'owners' instead of trustees if I want?</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>I would have MUCH rather had an AA mirror that would store multiple specs. Or a pocket mirror /meh so easy to travel and/or flag, CoV or call of the tinkerer to and from my domicile that a pocket mirror would not be a great benefit. Now Multiple slots ..... /drool.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>After 7years I could really use a way to spec out AA's for harvesting, crafting, solo, Raid or BG's. That would have been a great 7 year vet award.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>This .... for me is useless.</strong></span></p>

[screenid]

<p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Love it</p>

[arieste]

<p>I'm sorry, but making people go out of their way to run to a house that's in an inconvenient zone just isn't that good of a reward.  </p><p>The place itself is beautiful of course.  And I'm sure those that love to decorate will enjoy.  </p><p>But for sake of practicality, it needs something more:</p><p>1.  Call to House - if you're going to make it in an inconvenient location, give me a way to get there from anywhere.  I don't want to run through (or load) several zones to get there.</p><p>OR - ability to bind the zone in to this to any housing location - i.e. if i'm currently living in East Freeport, allow me to zone in to this thing from the same door.  Or even from my current house - this could be like country estate.</p><p>2.  Amenities - if you're going to make move away from all the amenities I have beside my current house, this should have a mender, signet peddler, broker and junk buyer inside. </p><p>3.  Rent-free part is awesome.  Give us the option of making our own house rent-free instead.  For those that don't want to move to an inconvenient location - as in, separate the rent-free piece form this house and make it applicable to one house per character or whatever.</p><p>It's great to have a beautiful rent free house.  It's not so good to have it way out of the way, where it's not convenient to get to or to do my other business.  It shouldn't be just a decorator's toy.  For those of us who actually do stuff in game other than decorate houses, it should be functional.</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>arieste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry, but making people go out of their way to run to a house that's in an inconvenient zone just isn't that good of a reward.  </p><p>The place itself is beautiful of course.  And I'm sure those that love to decorate will enjoy.  </p><p>But for sake of practicality, it needs something more:</p><p>1.  Call to House - if you're going to make it in an inconvenient location, give me a way to get there from anywhere.  I don't want to run through (or load) several zones to get there.</p><p>OR - ability to bind the zone in to this to any housing location - i.e. if i'm currently living in East Freeport, allow me to zone in to this thing from the same door.  Or even from my current house - this could be like country estate.</p><p>2.  Amenities - if you're going to make move away from all the amenities I have beside my current house, this should have a mender, signet peddler, broker and junk buyer inside. </p><p>3.  Rent-free part is awesome.  Give us the option of making our own house rent-free instead.  For those that don't want to move to an inconvenient location - as in, separate the rent-free piece form this house and make it applicable to one house per character or whatever.</p><p>It's great to have a beautiful rent free house.  It's not so good to have it way out of the way, where it's not convenient to get to or to do my other business.  It shouldn't be just a decorator's toy.  For those of us who actually do stuff in game other than decorate houses, it should be functional.</p></blockquote><p>The home is accessed from South Freeport or South Qeynos. How is that more out of the way than normal?</p>

[Cynith]

<p>I was really hoping for something more like the Unrest estate or the haunted mansion look (without all the cobwebs)</p><p>The castle is - well . . . at least I can say I'm not so disappointed now that I'm only just  hitting six years.</p><p>Guess I can only hope that they'll put the unrest/haunted type housing on SC sometime in the future.</p><p>Never thought I'd say that.</p>

[Senya]

<p><cite>arieste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry, but making people go out of their way to run to a house that's in an inconvenient zone just isn't that good of a reward.  </p><p>It's great to have a beautiful rent free house.  It's not so good to have it way out of the way, where it's not convenient to get to or to do my other business.  It shouldn't be just a decorator's toy.  For those of us who actually do stuff in game other than decorate houses, it should be functional.</p></blockquote><p>The zone in is here if you are evil:</p><p><img src="http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y323/EQ2-Jaylah/EQ2_000033.jpg" /></p><p>Or here if you are good:</p><p><img src="http://i1026.photobucket.com/albums/y323/EQ2-Jaylah/EQ2_000031.jpg" width="957" height="483" /></p>

[Juravael]

Very nice reward for those of us that have stuck it out over the years. I'm hoping there will be some other goodies for everyone though that way folks that do not use or care about player housing will feel that they got something worth while.

[Nindaene]

<p>For those of you that are upset with the house because of the fact that you already have a nicely decorated house and/or skiff and your alts already have a nicely decorated house and/or skiff and you don't want to move any of them...</p><p>If you want the house that bad but don't want to give anything up, pay $10, buy a character slot and now you have a new toon that needs a house.</p><p>(And please don't flame me for suggesting that you pay $10 to claim a free vet reward - its just a suggestion...)</p>

[Nindaene]

<p>Amnerys - In case you didn't notice, your link to the Vet Reward page is now outdated with the updates to the potions (aside from the fact that the 7 yr isn't listed leaving people to wonder what else is coming).  The potions still say they are 55% at max, instead of 110%.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>I can not beleive the backlash here.  Ask yourself about rewards in the past.  There have been nice rewards for adventurers as well as Tradeskillers.  Last years adventure reward was GREAT (would be better if it worked all the time like it is supposed to) and the tradeskilling reward hit at a great time for the expansion.  People that enjoy decorating (and there are a lot more of us than you care to think) have gotten nothing other than a weapon rack and a tombstone both of which are very lack luster.  Simple fact is, this game caters to many different playstyles and this year (6 years later mind you) decoraters finally get something amazing.  Hopefully they will add in a few side items but if not, there will still be many happy people along with the always unhappy ones.</p>

[Striikor]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I can not beleive the backlash here.  Ask yourself about rewards in the past.  There have been nice rewards for adventurers as well as Tradeskillers.  Last years adventure reward was GREAT (would be better if it worked all the time like it is supposed to) and the tradeskilling reward hit at a great time for the expansion.  People that enjoy decorating (and there are a lot more of us than you care to think) have gotten nothing other than a weapon rack and a tombstone both of which are very lack luster.  Simple fact is, this game caters to many different playstyles and this year (6 years later mind you) decoraters finally get something amazing.  Hopefully they will add in a few side items but if not, there will still be many happy people along with the always unhappy ones.</p></blockquote><p>Truth, you can't please all the peeps all the time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I am happy for those who think it is a great reward. But that is not me, if I want to take the time to decorate I will do it on my RL home<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />. I just hope that is not the ONLY reward. As I think the decorators are in the minority. Could be wrong though, I have been wrong before.</p>

[Nindaene]

<p><cite>Striikor@Nektulos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I can not beleive the backlash here.  Ask yourself about rewards in the past.  There have been nice rewards for adventurers as well as Tradeskillers.  Last years adventure reward was GREAT (would be better if it worked all the time like it is supposed to) and the tradeskilling reward hit at a great time for the expansion.  People that enjoy decorating (and there are a lot more of us than you care to think) have gotten nothing other than a weapon rack and a tombstone both of which are very lack luster.  Simple fact is, this game caters to many different playstyles and this year (6 years later mind you) decoraters finally get something amazing.  Hopefully they will add in a few side items but if not, there will still be many happy people along with the always unhappy ones.</p></blockquote><p>Truth, you can't please all the peeps all the time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I am happy for those who think it is a great reward. But that is not me, if I want to take the time to decorate I will do it on my RL home<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />. I just hope that is not the ONLY reward. As I think the decorators are in the minority. Could be wrong though, I have been wrong before.</p></blockquote><p>True... decorators ARE in the minority in the big picture, however, decorating is much bigger than most people imagine.</p><p>And yes, you can't please everyone all the time.  This addition is in a big part due to two things... 1) all the people that have asked over the years for some big estate-like house (Unrest or similar), or something that could only be purchased by members of a level 90 guild, and 2) all the people that were upset that they couldn't get a skiff because they either couldn't afford to go to Fan Faire or if they could, they couldn't afford the Platinum package.</p><p>While some people may feel like they are getting the shaft with this, its really just SOEs way of trying to be fair to all those that wanted more.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p>SOE adding a new fancy house based on the mistmoore theme in LP is nice. Good on them.</p><p>SOE adding it as the 7 year veteran reward, is a poor decision.This is not an inspiring veteran reward to the community as a whole. The 6 year veteran reward is a good example of what an established veteran reward should be like. Something useful to a significant portion of the eligible players. The Mistmoore housing could stay as a veteran reward, but add something in that is actually useful to most players who will be get the reward. Or completely change the 7yr veteran reward and include the house into the game via a quest line, or the market place.Only a small minority of players squeal with glee at the concept of a "flashy" new house. The number of people who will care about it two weeks after they finish "decorating" the estate is even less. The amount of players who will spend any actual noteworthy time in their house once decorated is insignificant. Sure, there may be a mere few people who spend all day in their in-game home, but they are statistical anomalies, most people will rarely go near the new homes once completed.The reality is, overall, the current 7yr veteran reward will do little more than attract dust.I will make the point again, that I am <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>not</strong></span> saying SOE should scrap the Mistmoore housing. They should put it in, as it clearly makes a few people out there happy. But this housing being used as the key component as a veteran reward? SOE should be ashamed of themselves. It is disgraceful at best.When SOE adds new, bigger, and better housing in the future, via market place, quest lines, or click-purchase availability, those of you who thought the mistmoore housing made a good 7yr reward will kick yourselves for being foolish, because the 7yr reward will be a joke.</p>

[Senya]

<p>I sincerely hope that they do remove it as a vet reward and make it available in game via some other means.  Alot of us who do want it can't get it, and a big portion of those who are getting it don't want it.</p>

[MsChief]

<p>Don't get me wrong, I do love it and I do love to decorate but...</p><p>It means I have to give up a sky skiff thus negating a reward</p><p>Is it even remotely possible to have multiple dwellings or figure out same way to give us a reward without taking one away? </p>

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

<p>This is the first house in the game that I actually don't think is hideous, and not only that but I love it, it's actually suited to my character.. I'm moving my SK there as soon as she hits time which isn't too far off. I didn't go to FF but I'm not into the Skiff at all anyway. The FP houses are so shabby & run down, even the mansions.</p><p>Maybe it's time to cut rent off of every house anyway? It's kind of pointless... I can see initial buying requirements and gold/plat/sp but upkeep is silly and just one more thing to make us frown and sigh and want to log out in frustration when the only person selling something very expensive hasn't paid rent and you can't catch them online or when we try to go to our house from the guild hall but oops missed paying rent a few days ago.</p>

[Gennifer]

<p>I can't WAIT until I can have one!!!!</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p>The house is beautiful and a fitting reward for those who've been loyal to SOE all these years. It's just a shame that it will be appreciated only by those who have decorating as their major activity and who spend their time in their own houses, rather than in a guild hall.</p>

[Duotang]

<p>I reiterate; are there any plans for a new name suffix added to the 7 year reward? The house is definitely a special reward, but I think something as simple as a "suffix" goes a long way for those who are not so into housing. It's like crowning a General in the military. Think of it as something that dignifies you over the next person, like previous name suffixes. I don't think brainstorming a new flashy name suffix is too much to ask for, in addition to what is listed.</p><p>(dev/designer replys only please)</p><p>Thanks.</p>

[Azxira]

<p>Awesome!  I want a floorplan <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  .. um seriously...  is there something on eqmaps or something that would be similar or has someone done a floor plan on test?</p><p>I wish the housing scaled with the character.  As a gnome I shrink down everything  - Gnome -a- size.. and it takes a lot more to decorate.</p>

[HaCkHaCkER]

What sux is i just paid a decorator to decorate my mains new 5 room in new halas. oh well, rent there is only 2.5g a week anyway. but i tell you what, my alts are going to love this!!!

[Calthine]

<p><cite>Azxira@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Awesome!  I want a floorplan <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />  .. um seriously...  is there something on eqmaps or something that would be similar or has someone done a floor plan on test?</p></blockquote><p>To the best of my knowledge it wasn't available on Test before it was announced.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is a wonderful vet gift</p><p>and to those that are talking about being left out.  I dont recall a whole lot of houses and decorator items in the last 6 years as vet rewards.  I think we got a headstone at one point once.   In any event I will be using it and hoping although possible a bit too greedy its in addition to our present housing lol.  I made the assumption it was, but this could be wrong.  Either way I cant wait to make it haunted with those noise boxes and fog and all the other stuff i have.</p><p>Thanks for something that is not consumable and that disappears after I use it.  I mean I liked those potions but not much to show once they are gone..</p></blockquote><p>I made a huge fish aquarium in one of my alt's houses and put all the headstones in there to make a large rock structure a tiny sarnak scooba diver is standing on. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Iskandar]

<p>Looks great imho! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  I'm curious to know if it will be bumped up to 700 items to match the just-boosted item count on the other balconied homes, or if it is intended to stay at 600?</p>

[Vadja]

<p>From EQ2Players:</p><p><em>"...to those willing to sign a mysterious contract."</em></p><p>This sounds a little ominous, though I'm sure Mayong's lawyers can't be <em>that</em> much worse than the real thing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Edit: looks fantastic BTW, can't wait  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Liral]

<p>Looks very cool. Good job SOE!</p>

[Kithica]

Well, I popped in and saw a level 90 agro mob! I thought, "oh crap. I gotta fight npcs in my own house?!?! It turns out everyone who tours the estate are in one instance and an PC necro was in there with me. BTW, 10000 pieces of furniture won't be enough

[Galldora]

<p>The Mistmoore Crag is the most totally awesome vets reward EVER!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /> <img src="../images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Thanks so much for this!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I've been longing for a large space in which to build some vehicles, and the Mistmoore Crag looks like it will fit the bill very nicely.  Warg-drawn carriages, tinkered motorcycles, dump trucks, forklifts, speed boats, teleportation modules -- the MC looks like it will have plenty of places to build, park and drive vehicles.  I can't wait!!</p><p>LOL, unfortunately I will have to wait, and nearly a whole year, too.  I'm a patient person and I appreciate the value of having to wait for something and how it can make that item even more special when you finally get it....but gee, I sure wish I'd started playing several months sooner.  This is going to be a very tough wait.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Panii]

<p><------------woke up one morning yawned, stretched, saw this post and ranto the back door............nope no silly fluffy clouds to stand on, no silly caves to walk into, no definately NOT dreaming!.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>This is for me an avid decorator with a 5 room mansion on all my chars and a T2 GH in progress one hell of an amazing 7 year vet reward!. Like many others have said we have been in the minority who have been though about when rewards come in. I have never posted here near felt the need, but today i do.</p><p>Veteran rewards are meant to signify an achievement, something grand! amazing and awesome and nothing stands out greater than this, it will also mean that an accurate and valid account of how many veterans there really are. Up to now CoV has been been the most ranted after Vet reward, all beit it has had many a bug. This Vet reward however has meant that everyone with it has been able to help someone without it by means of a call!. The 7 year one will be more personal and I for one Cant wait! I to have just decorated a 5 room Halas one but my Necro who will move first oh shes just gonne love this!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I cannot imagine that there wil not be potions of some description in with it, there have been with everything else<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I was thinking though that perhaps I am ofc a tad biast, as I adore decorating<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> and maybe for you level 90 seasoned non decorating types something lovely like ap potions could be added as well as xp ones, OR double ap vit item with say a 24 hour window usable once every 7 days like the hammer and orb<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Just my two penneth worth please please please dont make this a SC item, it will make the whole idea of it being a  vet reward pointless and for more deameaningless if eveyone can then have it for cash! after all the 7 year vets of us have been paying for it a long long time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>/hugs and /salutes</p><p>Panni/Panie/Paniiii/Pani/Panilicious/Pannee</p><p>Splitpaw server</p>

[Meredyth]

<p>So beautiful !</p><p>Will we be able to visit our friends in this house even if we don't have this reward ?</p>

[Crymsyn]

<p>Thank you times <span style="text-decoration: underline;">infinity</span> to the Devs for this awesome house! I got to tour it last night and.. wow...!!!! I am *so* in love! Considering now all I play to do is decorate and RP occasionally this is the BEST Vet reward I could have gotten! It's a castle.. a grand palace. I can't recall just how many times I have seen people asking for larger, grander housing for their mains who have so many trophies and accomplishments to show off. For those who are more suited to such a place after all their achievements through the years.. this is it. I guess it may not be the style suited to everyone but it is unique, grand and there are TONS of possibilities for those who love to recraft their homes with dividers and tiles.</p><p>So again let me say THANK YOU to the Devs behind this, and I do hope you take all of the others' negativity with a grain of salt.  </p>

[Oobo]

<p>Woohoooo gratzz something for all the house decorating fairies....</p><p>NOW CAN U PLS give us actually players some cool stuff for 7yr vet reward who DONT spend 90% of thier time in thier HOUSE? Not everyone is into the whole house crap...</p>

[OberonThunderfire]

<p>Very nice! looking forward to taking ownership.</p><p>Anything with "Mistmoore" in it reminds me of the old Demi-plane of Blood in EQ1 and I was thinking it would be cool to be able to get sets of the ballroom dancers from DPoB Adriana/Roley encounter as a reward from a NotD mission or someother appropiate questline. Maybe a music box that summons 6 sets of ghostly or vampiric dancers for like a 2 min duration. (possibly dancing in a circle around the music box)</p><p>With the instruments available from carpenters/SC a grand ballroom/throneroom would be a fun decorating project. Seeing the screenshots of this new home just put the thought in my head.</p><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">Obsiously it's too late to be added for this year's events, but thought I'd post anyway.</span></p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>OberonThunderfire wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Very nice! looking forward to taking ownership.</p><p>Anything with "Mistmoore" in it reminds me of the old Demi-plane of Blood in EQ1 and I was thinking it would be cool to be able to get sets of the ballroom dancers from DPoB Adriana/Roley encounter as a reward from a NotD mission or someother appropiate questline. Maybe a music box that summons 6 sets of ghostly or vampiric dancers for like a 2 min duration. (possibly dancing in a circle around the music box)</p><p>With the instruments available from carpenters/SC a grand ballroom/throneroom would be a fun decorating project. Seeing the screenshots of this new home just put the thought in my head.</p><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: ">Obsiously it's too late to be added for this year's events, but thought I'd post anyway.</span></p></blockquote><p>No, but Nights of the Dead is just around the corner..... hee hee hee</p>

[Avirodar]

<p>Do any you housing fanatics think beyond the first handful of weeks you have access to the Mistmoore Crag Estate, before you do the whole "OMG THIS IS THE BEST EVA!!!!" post?If you missed it, <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=60&topic_id=487911#5428189" target="_blank"><strong>read this post(link)</strong></a> and actually think about it. Be careful not to go all emo over my post, and assume that I am against SOE adding the estate to the game. I actually think it is a good move from SOE to provide advanced housing options, I hope more options are provided in the future, but I am very much against it being used as a 7yr veteran reward, and have listed my reasons why. Go read it, you may change your tune.I do not care if YOU are a decorating fanatic who will spend 90% of your in-game time drooling over the walls of the Mistmoore Crag Estate. Good on you if you are, have fun doing it. But even the decorators admit how much of a minoirty they are. Veteran rewards, especially for people who have stuck it out to tally up 7 (yes, SEVEN) years of counted account age, deserve something useful. To most people (not all, but most!!) the Mistmoore Crag Estate will be completely and utterly useless. Guild Halls, and their vast array of ammenities and services, will continue to make player housing an inferior option. A bigger house changes nothing, it just gives a handful of decorators something to burn some time on, before they inevitably get bored with it and move on to the next "new" housing option SOE adds in the future.</p>

[Whilhelmina]

<p>Well, on all the past rewards, what is usefull except the veteran display case, vitality baubles for adv and TS and the CoV (when it's working)? Pixie on a string? Puppet billy? repair kit to 100%? even the gold discount for housing is not really usefull anymore with the curent economy. So you can't really say that a house is less usefull than an apparance item or things like that.</p><p>I would love to see a new title too.</p>

[Mads]

<p>I'd have to agree with many here that 7 years is a long time to stick with one game and even though I like the manor, something more "game useful" would be great.  I'm a raider, give me a useful tool in that category.</p><p>I like the manor but for someone who has actually played the 7 years, I have  relics and items in my house now that just wouldn't look right in the mistmoore manor and I'm not willing to give up all those quest items and items made by friends that no longer play the game for this manor and a new decorating frenzy.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Mads wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd have to agree with many here that 7 years is a long time to stick with one game and even though I like the manor, something more "game useful" would be great.  <strong>I'm a raider, give me a useful tool in that category.</strong></p></blockquote><p>And I am not a raider so giving a raider reward would be just as useless to me as a house is to you.  It all boils down to trying to please everyone.  As I've already said; In years past people that enjoy adventuring have gotten nice rewards now six years later people that enjoy decorating get something better than a tombstone as their reward.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p>

[quiarrah]

<p>I for one am going to love this house! At least I have been with EQ for the 7 years to get it. I have never gotten the LoN card which gave the rent-free Qeynos house and I didn't make it to the convention to get the SPECIAL platinum Airship house. NOW that I think was an unfair thing. . .but to each his own. ANYONE who has played EQ for 7 years will get this house. . if they so choose. Well guess what? You don't have to claim it! So if you don't want it. . . .don't take it! Simple! Stop complaining about it. You can only have so many Veteran display cases anyway. There are alot of items I still have not claimed because I really have no use for them. If you have no use for the house. . .so be it. Let those of us who want it revel in the glory. Stop bursting our bubbles!</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>quiarrah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I for one am going to love this house! At least I have been with EQ for the 7 years to get it. I have never gotten the LoN card which gave the rent-free Qeynos house and I didn't make it to the convention to get the SPECIAL platinum Airship house. NOW that I think was an unfair thing. . .but to each his own. ANYONE who has played EQ for 7 years will get this house. . if they so choose. Well guess what? You don't have to claim it! So if you don't want it. . . .don't take it! Simple! Stop complaining about it. You can only have so many Veteran display cases anyway. There are alot of items I still have not claimed because I really have no use for them. If you have no use for the house. . .so be it. Let those of us who want it revel in the glory. Stop bursting our bubbles!</p></blockquote><p>How am I bursting your bubble by saying the Mistmoore Crag should be added to EQ2, just not as a 7yr vet reward because only an insignificant minority of veterans will actually use it, in the long run?You are an anticipated example of the type of player that will make this a problem.</p>

[Andalla]

<p>Ohhh...I am soooooooo moving <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>quiarrah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I for one am going to love this house! At least I have been with EQ for the 7 years to get it. I have never gotten the LoN card which gave the rent-free Qeynos house and I didn't make it to the convention to get the SPECIAL platinum Airship house. NOW that I think was an unfair thing. . .but to each his own. ANYONE who has played EQ for 7 years will get this house. . if they so choose. Well guess what? You don't have to claim it! So if you don't want it. . . .don't take it! Simple! Stop complaining about it. You can only have so many Veteran display cases anyway. There are alot of items I still have not claimed because I really have no use for them. If you have no use for the house. . .so be it. Let those of us who want it revel in the glory. Stop bursting our bubbles!</p></blockquote><p>How am I bursting your bubble by saying the Mistmoore Crag should be added to EQ2, just not as a 7yr vet reward because only an insignificant minority of veterans will actually use it, in the long run?You are an anticipated example of the type of player that will make this a problem.</p></blockquote><p>You know, think long and hard about what you would want as a veteran reward.  Undoubtably whatever you come up with will be special and amazing.  So, putting it in your own terms, your item should be put in the game but since its so insignificant (to me) it should not be a reward for playing the game for 6 years but instead put in elsewhere, most likely having to pay a high Station Cash cost.  Either way, the estate is going in and its going in as the 7th Year Veteran Reward so it sounds like your the example of the player that is going to have the problem.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know, think long and hard about what you would want as a veteran reward.  Undoubtably whatever you come up with will be special and amazing.  So, putting it in your own terms, your item should be put in the game but since its so insignificant (to me) it should not be a reward for playing the game for 6 years but instead put in elsewhere, most likely having to pay a high Station Cash cost.  Either way, the estate is going in and its going in as the 7th Year Veteran Reward so it sounds like your the example of the player that is going to have the problem.</p></blockquote><p>I already made a suggestion. Try reading it, it's a couple of posts just above. And you wonder why I said you are an example of a problem.The idea I proposed, is something other players have already suggested, It is something a very notable majority of 7yr veterans would get significantly more actual use out of than this house.Congratulations on being selfish, and thinking the majority should be left empty handed so your minority can play with a new house, of which few of you will care about 2 months later, let alone a year later, let alone when the next bigger and better house comes along. You see some little shiny thing and will gladly burn the longevity of a veteran reward option for it. *clap clap clap*Wake up and smell the roses.</p>

[Jaffa Tamarin]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>I think you are over-estimating the number of people that would care about having multiple AA specs, especially now that we have so many more AA points to use.  I know that I would find this completely useless.</p><p>But I do like the house.</p>

[Torvos]

<p>I think the house looks great. Really great. The problem though, is that I have over 800 items sitting in my current house, and I really don't want to move. I've spent years perfecting the house I have, and I'd hate to start over again.  Some house items though, that would be awesome.</p>

[mysticalone]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do any you housing fanatics think beyond the first handful of weeks you have access to the Mistmoore Crag Estate, before you do the whole "OMG THIS IS THE BEST EVA!!!!" post?If you missed it, <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=60&topic_id=487911#5428189" target="_blank"><strong>read this post(link)</strong></a> and actually think about it. Be careful not to go all emo over my post, and assume that I am against SOE adding the estate to the game. I actually think it is a good move from SOE to provide advanced housing options, I hope more options are provided in the future, but I am very much against it being used as a 7yr veteran reward, and have listed my reasons why. Go read it, you may change your tune.I do not care if YOU are a decorating fanatic who will spend 90% of your in-game time drooling over the walls of the Mistmoore Crag Estate. Good on you if you are, have fun doing it. But even the decorators admit how much of a minoirty they are. Veteran rewards, especially for people who have stuck it out to tally up 7 (yes, SEVEN) years of counted account age, deserve something useful. To most people (not all, but most!!) the Mistmoore Crag Estate will be completely and utterly useless. Guild Halls, and their vast array of ammenities and services, will continue to make player housing an inferior option. A bigger house changes nothing, it just gives a handful of decorators something to burn some time on, before they inevitably get bored with it and move on to the next "new" housing option SOE adds in the future.</p></blockquote><p>eh I just think your trying in a round about way to say what others are bluntly saying "i dont want a house cause idont decorate" I can't think of a single vet reward that hasn't become obsolete over time.  Heck even the vet call is not particularly useful to those who are tinkerer/summoner etc and with station cash items appearing it becomes more obsolete every day.   The house is cool and not something they have offered us before.    I dont know what you consider a "useful" gift your pretty much doing what others and saying "bleh house i want something useful" but dont really give a more useful idea for a gift</p><p>I saw the AA spec thing a couple times in this thread.  I dont find it useful I am 90 and find I no longer need to switch AA lines because we have so many AA that its just now a redundancy so my AA mirror now sits and gathers dust.    So what was useful is no longer useful.   Its all in the eye of the beholder but a free 5 room rent free house is still a free 5 room rent free house. Decorator or not most people still packrat huge numbers of items so now you dont have to pay to stockpile them.    So I dunno everyone keeps wanting more storage well here it is and its in the form of a vet gift.    /shrug now all my alts will have 5 room houses and those extra vaults I can now proceed to packrat items for awhile unchecked and all those books I was about to delete because I was running out of places to stuff them now have a house I can place them in that insn't bursting at the seams and its free.</p><p>so just think of it as an added fancy bank vault and tell me how this is not useful to everyone.</p>

[Shanak85]

<p>I have to say...  I am also very disappointed finding out that all we are getting is a new house option.  As a bunch of others have already said, we deserve something more than a house made up of copy/pasted rooms from an old dungeon for sticking with this game for over 6 years, or however long it's actually been.   The developers are probably happy with themselves about this one, but they shouldn't be.   Give us something useful.  Something that pretty much everyone is going to use (oh and something that works, unlike CoV).  </p><p>Devs...  If you really just cannot think of anything other than housing, here's an idea.   Give us a portable option for chronomagic.  I've been waiting for this veteran reward ever since they implemented the mechanic.  I'm sure other players can also give you some great ideas as well.   Please don't tell me that all we get is a house...   Are we really not getting any more exp potions this year?  You really that stubborn that you're gonna make us buy our potions from station cash this year?  Come on....</p><p>We are your long time veteran players, and you all take us for granted.  This is a slap in the face.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You know, think long and hard about what you would want as a veteran reward.  Undoubtably whatever you come up with will be special and amazing.  So, putting it in your own terms, your item should be put in the game but since its so insignificant (to me) it should not be a reward for playing the game for 6 years but instead put in elsewhere, most likely having to pay a high Station Cash cost.  Either way, the estate is going in and its going in as the 7th Year Veteran Reward so it sounds like your the example of the player that is going to have the problem.</p></blockquote><p>I already made a suggestion. Try reading it, it's a couple of posts just above. And you wonder why I said you are an example of a problem.The idea I proposed, is something other players have already suggested, It is something a very notable majority of 7yr veterans would get significantly more actual use out of than this house.Congratulations on being selfish, and thinking the majority should be left empty handed so your minority can play with a new house, of which few of you will care about 2 months later, let alone a year later, let alone when the next bigger and better house comes along. You see some little shiny thing and will gladly burn the longevity of a veteran reward option for it. *clap clap clap*Wake up and smell the roses.</p></blockquote><p>I hardly think I am selfish for being excited about something really nice given to those that like decorating after SIX years of waiting.  You, however, are a prime example of those selfish individuals that think EVERYTHING nice they release should be catered to your particular playstyle (wether it be the majority or not) and anything that doesn't fall into that playstyle category should be an after thought or obtained by other means.   </p><p>And also, yes, I am well aware of your suggestion above and its still as insignificant to me as a house is to you. Putting one mirror in your house is not a decorator's compromise to having a whole estate to decorate and live in.  But since the house will remain the Veteran Reward maybe they can put yet another AA mirror on the Marketplace and you can buy it for yourself.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>How about this, would it be poss to make the house buff your vit so it recharges faster all the time you are in it?</p><p>That might make it suck less.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>I went on test last night to take a tour of this house. I'm not as impressed right now as i was before. I'm sure a lot of work was put into it, but it's just a cookie cut duplicate of mistmoore inner sanctum with a balcony. I was expecting something a little more comfy then a dungeon. If anything they should have given us a copy of estate of unrest, only cleaned it up so it isn't in ruins.</p>

[Te'ana]

<p>I just toured the new house and it is as big if not bigger than a T2 guild hall. What it says to me is that my home city has finally recognized my worth and rewarded me with quarters in the Palace to show the Queen's or Overlord's appreciation for helping them the past seven years.</p><p>Some folks here seeem to be pretty cavalier with their assumptions that folks who like houses are in a very small minority and that those who don't care about their house are in the vast majority. I think a lot more folks care about thier homes than 10% vrs. 90%. I  bet some folks who have been content in thier original inn room will be moving to thier new grand quarters.</p><p>Edit: typos</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hardly think I am selfish for being excited about something really nice given to those that like decorating after SIX years of waiting.  You, however, are a prime example of those selfish individuals that think EVERYTHING nice they release should be catered to your particular playstyle (wether it be the majority or not) and anything that doesn't fall into that playstyle category should be an after thought or obtained by other means.   </p><p>And also, yes, I am well aware of your suggestion above and its still as insignificant to me as a house is to you. Putting one mirror in your house is not a decorator's compromise to having a whole estate to decorate and live in.  But since the house will remain the Veteran Reward maybe they can put yet another AA mirror on the Marketplace and you can buy it for yourself.</p></blockquote><p>Try to understand that I am not saying the Mistmoore Crag should be scrapped. I think it the crag is a good addition, it would just be better suited as a stand-alone addition, not tied to a veteran reward. They could even make it a purchasable reward from the city faires for city tokens, the options there are limitless. However, I maintain that it is a poor decision for a 7yr veteran reward. You act as if decorators have been left empty handed forever, and if you do not get this estate as a veteran reward, your world will end. As far as decorators go, there has been countless house modifications and additions, including housing in new cities (halas, neriak, gorowyn et al), added repeatedly over years. Decorators are far from neglected, so give up the facade that they have been.The veteran reward, for veteran players, should be something useful to the majority of eligible veterans. As guild halls still blow player housing out of the water (due to ammenities), the crag is a worthless choice for a veteran reward.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hardly think I am selfish for being excited about something really nice given to those that like decorating after SIX years of waiting.  You, however, are a prime example of those selfish individuals that think EVERYTHING nice they release should be catered to your particular playstyle (wether it be the majority or not) and anything that doesn't fall into that playstyle category should be an after thought or obtained by other means.   </p><p>And also, yes, I am well aware of your suggestion above and its still as insignificant to me as a house is to you. Putting one mirror in your house is not a decorator's compromise to having a whole estate to decorate and live in.  But since the house will remain the Veteran Reward maybe they can put yet another AA mirror on the Marketplace and you can buy it for yourself.</p></blockquote><p>Try to understand that I am not saying the Mistmoore Crag should be scrapped. I think it the crag is a good addition, it would just be better suited as a stand-alone addition, not tied to a veteran reward. They could even make it a purchasable reward from the city faires for city tokens, the options there are limitless. However, I maintain that it is a poor decision for a 7yr veteran reward. You act as if decorators have been left empty handed forever, and if you do not get this estate as a veteran reward, your world will end. As far as decorators go, there has been countless house modifications and additions, including housing in new cities (halas, neriak, gorowyn et al), added repeatedly over years. Decorators are far from neglected, so give up the facade that they have been.The veteran reward, for veteran players, should be something useful to the majority of eligible veterans. As guild halls still blow player housing out of the water (due to ammenities), the crag is a worthless choice for a veteran reward.</p></blockquote><p>You draw far too many conclusions. What I have said is that as far as veteran rewards go, none have been anything that anyone who decorates would want.  I have never said that decorators have been left with nothing.  As a matter of fact we have some of the best housing options of all MMOs that I have seen, thus why I have stayed with this game for 6 years.  Me staying for the full duration is no less an acomplishment than you staying that long, so why should your getting a useless reward be any more important than me getting one?  And please don't start in with that mirror idea again because frankly it would be a crap reward.  I am level 90/90/250 so just because I like decorating does not mean I don't play this game in other aspects but I dont see the need for another mirror beyond the one we have.</p><p>Your <em>opinion</em> is that this is a poor choice for a Veteran Reward.  That is just fine.  It's my <em>opinion</em> that its the best Veteran Reward they have done yet.  Nothing I say will change your mind and nothing you say will ever change mine so thats where we stand.  However, the estate <em>IS</em> the 7 year reward and more people than you think will find a good use for it; its unfortunate that you will not.  Better luck next year I guess.</p>

[Uncaged]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hardly think I am selfish for being excited about something really nice given to those that like decorating after SIX years of waiting.  You, however, are a prime example of those selfish individuals that think EVERYTHING nice they release should be catered to your particular playstyle (wether it be the majority or not) and anything that doesn't fall into that playstyle category should be an after thought or obtained by other means.   </p><p>And also, yes, I am well aware of your suggestion above and its still as insignificant to me as a house is to you. Putting one mirror in your house is not a decorator's compromise to having a whole estate to decorate and live in.  But since the house will remain the Veteran Reward maybe they can put yet another AA mirror on the Marketplace and you can buy it for yourself.</p></blockquote><p>Try to understand that I am not saying the Mistmoore Crag should be scrapped. I think it the crag is a good addition, it would just be better suited as a stand-alone addition, not tied to a veteran reward. They could even make it a purchasable reward from the city faires for city tokens, the options there are limitless. However, I maintain that it is a poor decision for a 7yr veteran reward. You act as if decorators have been left empty handed forever, and if you do not get this estate as a veteran reward, your world will end. As far as decorators go, there has been countless house modifications and additions, including housing in new cities (halas, neriak, gorowyn et al), added repeatedly over years. Decorators are far from neglected, so give up the facade that they have been.The veteran reward, for veteran players, should be something useful to the majority of eligible veterans. As guild halls still blow player housing out of the water (due to ammenities), the crag is a worthless choice for a veteran reward.</p></blockquote><p>You draw far too many conclusions. What I have said is that as far as veteran rewards go, none have been anything that anyone who decorates would want.  I have never said that decorators have been left with nothing.  As a matter of fact we have some of the best housing options of all MMOs that I have seen, thus why I have stayed with this game for 6 years.  Me staying for the full duration is no less an acomplishment than you staying that long, so why should your getting a useless reward be any more important than me getting one?  And please don't start in with that mirror idea again because frankly it would be a crap reward.  I am level 90/90/250 so just because I like decorating does not mean I don't play this game in other aspects but I dont see the need for another mirror beyond the one we have.</p><p>Your <em>opinion</em> is that this is a poor choice for a Veteran Reward.  That is just fine.  It's my <em>opinion</em> that its the best Veteran Reward they have done yet.  Nothing I say will change your mind and nothing you say will ever change mine so thats where we stand.  However, the estate <em>IS</em> the 7 year reward and more people than you think will find a good use for it; its unfortunate that you will not.  Better luck next year I guess.</p></blockquote><p>^^^^^THIS^^^^^</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I  bet some folks who have been content in thier original inn room will be moving to thier new grand quarters.</blockquote><p>Not me - only because I prefer living in a city or village like Gorowyn or New Halas. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Brook]

<p>Well I got to take a tour of it over the weekend to see if was really a nice gift, its huge and that's about it. Its a copy of another place including the torn wallpaper looking garbage on the stone walls, the floor tiles are some gaudy looking pattern that looks like kitchen linoleum from an early 70's mobile home and everything has gold trimmings on it which really I have never cared for.</p><p>ALSO, why are the new supposed elite homes not viewable from the outside?</p><p>Do you guys realize that by the time you cover the floors, walls, columns and steps of a place this big you will only have maybe 3 spots to add furniture left for the houses item limit? That is unless tiles and dividers and such dont count towards the 600 item limit.</p><p>Not trying to knock the people who think this kind of stuff up, but I for one was expecting a bit more after 7 years of loyalty. What happened to the talented creative people that used to work there? This is just a lazy way to do things.</p><p>I for one am not impressed.</p>

[Bratface]

<p>I toured this new house on test and it is really big, but already decorated for the most part....</p><p>It's old and tattered and worn looking with barely a place to put anything because the decor is already set with the walls, columns and other things that are pre-placed.</p><p>If you were going to recreate an already existing layout and decor couldn't you have used something pretty like Conservatory with its beautiful flooring and walls? This house is baroque and dreary and doesn't lend itself well to decorating it in any other way without using up the majority of the item slots just to cover up the basic design.</p><p>It's a cool idea and I appreciate the thought but I don't see me moving any more than one alt to this house just for the novelty.... With the addition of the new outdoor areas the other housing has become MUCH more appealing, leaving this house as just a ho-hum novelty because it will be so hard to personalize.</p>

[Elorah]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, that would not cater to everyone either.  I can make the mirrors, but I never use them other then decoration (and that is about 2 of my characters)....lol</p><p>If you look back on the rewards, none of them really fit a majority other then the potions.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, that would not cater to everyone either.  I can make the mirrors, but I never use them other then decoration (and that is about 2 of my characters)....lol</p><p>If you look back on the rewards, none of them really fit a majority other then the potions.</p></blockquote><p>I would wager at the time the 25% off home item fit the majority.. I bet the Veteran Display case fit the majority and CoV fits crafters/adventures/raiders alike so the majority.</p><p>Almost all worth while Vet rewards were for the majority.. then there were the trinkets like pixies and such that were not</p>

[Elorah]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, that would not cater to everyone either.  I can make the mirrors, but I never use them other then decoration (and that is about 2 of my characters)....lol</p><p>If you look back on the rewards, none of them really fit a majority other then the potions.</p></blockquote><p>I would wager at the time the 25% off home item fit the majority.. I bet the Veteran Display case fit the majority and CoV fits crafters/adventures/raiders alike so the majority.</p><p>Almost all worth while Vet rewards were for the majority.. then there were the trinkets like pixies and such that were not</p></blockquote><p>Nope...  Used the chest once due to it fitting in with the design of the home (not necessarily for the 25% off).  Claimed one vet display case that is used for storage rather then selling...again for the looks...</p><p>The CoV, I did use once or twice during an event to get my evil characters into Kelethin.  My point is that there is NO WAY (other then the potions) that the vet rewards from the past are for a majority.  However, everyone that has a house in game (which should be just about everyone) should like this as it is FREE, never have to pay upkeep on it....</p>

[Loendar]

<p>I wanted to look at it on Test but sadly my Test client crashes to desktop as soon as the 'Welcome' screen appears. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I can't seem to figure out what is causing it as I've updated my UI, etc. but it makes looking at test stuff... difficult.</p>

[Alvane]

<p>IMO, the best 7 year vet reward SoE can give that will be appreciated by anyone who wants to continue to play is...............</p><p>one month of play FREE to be added to the 7th year of every player.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>IMO, the best 7 year vet reward SoE can give that will be appreciated by anyone who wants to continue to play is...............</p><p>one month of play FREE to be added to the 7th year of every player.</p></blockquote><p>I never benefit from free game time as i'm on a station access pass.</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>IMO, the best 7 year vet reward SoE can give that will be appreciated by anyone who wants to continue to play is...............</p><p>one month of play FREE to be added to the 7th year of every player.</p></blockquote><p>I never benefit from free game time as i'm on a station access pass.</p></blockquote><p>Then you would get a free month on SA since it doesn't break down per game. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, that would not cater to everyone either.  I can make the mirrors, but I never use them other then decoration (and that is about 2 of my characters)....lol</p><p>If you look back on the rewards, none of them really fit a majority other then the potions.</p></blockquote><p>I would wager at the time the 25% off home item fit the majority.. I bet the Veteran Display case fit the majority and CoV fits crafters/adventures/raiders alike so the majority.</p><p>Almost all worth while Vet rewards were for the majority.. then there were the trinkets like pixies and such that were not</p></blockquote><p>Nope...  Used the chest once due to it fitting in with the design of the home (not necessarily for the 25% off).  Claimed one vet display case that is used for storage rather then selling...again for the looks...</p><p>The CoV, I did use once or twice during an event to get my evil characters into Kelethin.  My point is that there is NO WAY (other then the potions) that the vet rewards from the past are for a majority.  However, everyone that has a house in game (which should be just about everyone) should like this as it is FREE, never have to pay upkeep on it....</p></blockquote><p>All of the past vet rewards have been suited to the majority, Just because you think an MMO is Barbie Doll time from what I'm getting from your posts, most actually play it for the content other than the house</p>

[Senya]

<p>The above post wasn't directed to me but I'm going to reply. </p><p>Housing IS part of the content.  There is lots of content, for lots of different play styles.  Not everyone raids.  Not everyone decorates.  Most people enjoy a mix of all the content, which includes housing and raiding and everything in between.  I personally enjoy decorating and crafting, but I do occassionally quest, group, solo, and duo.  I don't raid, but not because I can't raid, but because I had raid burn out.  I'd been raiding since EQ1, there, here, other games for going on 10 years until I came back to EQ2 the end of last year.  The reason I came back here instead of other games is because there's such a variety of things to do other than raid in this game. </p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The above post wasn't directed to me but I'm going to reply. </p><p>Housing IS part of the content.  There is lots of content, for lots of different play styles.  Not everyone raids.  Not everyone decorates.  Most people enjoy a mix of all the content, which includes housing and raiding and everything in between.  I personally enjoy decorating and crafting, but I do occassionally quest, group, solo, and duo.  I don't raid, but not because I can't raid, but because I had raid burn out.  I'd been raiding since EQ1, there, here, other games for going on 10 years until I came back to EQ2 the end of last year.  The reason I came back here instead of other games is because there's such a variety of things to do other than raid in this game. </p></blockquote><p>Not really, I know myself and many others only have a house so we can change specs and for alter use, I could care less what a house is, I'm content with an Inn room. If I have been loyal to a game for 7 years, give me something actually useful.</p>

[Senya]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not really, I know myself and many others only have a house so we can change specs and for alter use, I could care less what a house is, I'm content with an Inn room. If I have been loyal to a game for 7 years, give me something actually useful.</p></blockquote><p>And I know myself and many others who could care less about a raid reward.  We want tradeskill and/or housing perks.  We surround ourselves in game by those with common interests.  Raiders tend to hang with raiders, crafters with crafters, pvp'ers with pvp'ers.  Neither of us are wrong for enjoying what we enjoy.  I'm saying the game has alot to offer for various play styles. Veteran rewards shouldn't cater to only one type of play style since it's absolutely impossible to please every single person all the time.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not really, I know myself and many others only have a house so we can change specs and for alter use, I could care less what a house is, I'm content with an Inn room. If I have been loyal to a game for 7 years, give me something actually useful.</p></blockquote><p>And I know myself and many others who could care less about a raid reward.  We want tradeskill and/or housing perks.  We surround ourselves in game by those with common interests.  Raiders tend to hang with raiders, crafters with crafters, pvp'ers with pvp'ers.  Neither of us are wrong for enjoying what we enjoy.  I'm saying the game has alot to offer for various play styles. Veteran rewards shouldn't cater to only one type of play style since it's absolutely impossible to please every single person all the time.</p></blockquote><p>I'm a raider/PvP'er yes. I don't care if it's a raid reward. CoV was useful for grouping, crafters(Calling people buying stuff), raiders, basically everyone but Solo'ers which is understandable since it is an MMO. A house appeals to decoraters and is kinda meh to just about everyone else.</p>

[Senya]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm a raider/PvP'er yes. I don't care if it's a raid reward. CoV was useful for grouping, crafters(Calling people buying stuff), raiders, basically everyone but Solo'ers which is understandable since it is an MMO. A house appeals to decoraters and is kinda meh to just about everyone else.</p></blockquote><p>Aye, I get that it's kinda meh to people who don't enjoy housing and decorating.  The adventure vitality thing is kinda meh to me since I do craft and decorate more than adventure.  I do it, my necro is 90, and I occassionally play an alt, but there was rarely a time I didn't have vitality.  But, whether you like to decorate or not, it's a free house, with 5 broker and vault slots (6 with a one time expander), no upkeep ever that you can claim on every character you ever have.  Stick a mirror in it  and your vet and/or sales crates and it's already served you well because you never have to worry about not being able to use your guild portal to house because you forgot your rent was due.  It may not be the great reward YOU were hoping for, but believe me, to some it's the kind of reward they've hoped for for 6 years.  Again, I'm not saying you're wrong for not liking the reward but those that do like aren't wrong either.  It's just a difference of opinion so I'd prefer not to see someone making not so nice comments about what's fun for me in game.  I work just as hard at what I do as you work at keeping up those stats and strats to kill the baddies (or goodies?) on Nagafen.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm a raider/PvP'er yes. I don't care if it's a raid reward. CoV was useful for grouping, crafters(Calling people buying stuff), raiders, basically everyone but Solo'ers which is understandable since it is an MMO. A house appeals to decoraters and is kinda meh to just about everyone else.</p></blockquote><p>Aye, I get that it's kinda meh to people who don't enjoy housing and decorating.  The adventure vitality thing is kinda meh to me since I do craft and decorate more than adventure.  I do it, my necro is 90, and I occassionally play an alt, but there was rarely a time I didn't have vitality.  But, whether you like to decorate or not, it's a free house, with 5 broker and vault slots (6 with a one time expander), no upkeep ever that you can claim on every character you ever have.  Stick a mirror in it  and your vet and/or sales crates and it's already served you well because you never have to worry about not being able to use your guild portal to house because you forgot your rent was due.  It may not be the great reward YOU were hoping for, but believe me, to some it's the kind of reward they've hoped for for 6 years.  Again, I'm not saying you're wrong for not liking the reward but those that do like aren't wrong either.  It's just a difference of opinion so I'd prefer not to see someone making not so nice comments about what's fun for me in game.  I work just as hard at what I do as you work at keeping up those stats and strats to kill the baddies (or goodies?) on Nagafen.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm not saying you're wrong either, but I feel the reward should be more of a reward, 7 years to the game is huge commitment. I just don't feel the house does that justice. There is also the pick to recharge tradeskill vit <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>IMO, the best 7 year vet reward SoE can give that will be appreciated by anyone who wants to continue to play is...............</p><p>one month of play FREE to be added to the 7th year of every player.</p></blockquote><p>I never benefit from free game time as i'm on a station access pass.</p></blockquote><p>Then you would get a free month on SA since it doesn't break down per game. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Thats if they change how they currently do things though. I've had times i was offered a free month but since i was paying $30 a month for full access to all games and the free time was only for one game it didn't count. :/</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>Sorry for the double post but i thought of a house item i would really love lol.</p><p>A working dock bell. Ding Ding your now at nektulos. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Yea that might be considered cheating.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A simple example of a reward that everyone would find useful, not just a drop in the ocean minority that is the decorating community :Put in an AA mirror for a players house, that can store 2 AA specs instead of one.This could allow players to have more AA options. Catering to various playstyles, there is a wide range of AA specs to chose from, ranging from harvesting, soloing, grouping, raiding, BGing, solo PVP and group/raid PVP. Most players participate in more than one "manner" of gameplay, and many class types may have more than one AA build they like to use for a particular gameplay style.That is a 7yr veteran reward that would serve to benefit a majority of veterans, not a minority such as the mistmoore crag.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, that would not cater to everyone either.  I can make the mirrors, but I never use them other then decoration (and that is about 2 of my characters)....lol</p><p>If you look back on the rewards, none of them really fit a majority other then the potions.</p></blockquote><p>I would wager at the time the 25% off home item fit the majority.. I bet the Veteran Display case fit the majority and CoV fits crafters/adventures/raiders alike so the majority.</p><p>Almost all worth while Vet rewards were for the majority.. then there were the trinkets like pixies and such that were not</p></blockquote><p>Nope...  Used the chest once due to it fitting in with the design of the home (not necessarily for the 25% off).  Claimed one vet display case that is used for storage rather then selling...again for the looks...</p><p>The CoV, I did use once or twice during an event to get my evil characters into Kelethin.  My point is that there is NO WAY (other then the potions) that the vet rewards from the past are for a majority.  However, everyone that has a house in game (which should be just about everyone) should like this as it is FREE, never have to pay upkeep on it....</p></blockquote><p>At the time the 25% off was great and everyone I knew used it... Vet display? anyone who wants to be competitive on the Broker uses it and wants it... There have even been posts in the past about how it's an unfair pricing advantage.</p><p>And CoV ... I can't think of one person that has it that doesn't like it (most would love it if not for the bugs, supposedly some being fixed).</p><p>You are in the minority .. while the first one is meh now.. it was great then.. while the second one is only an additional 10% I guarantee that the MAJORITY of the people that have access to it, do indeed use it. And I would bet that they put their more expensive items into it.</p><p>I will leave it at that. You will continue to think that most people never used those items.. and I will continue to think that they did and do for that matter.</p>

[Eshaac]

<p>Well I for one love this reward and I'm not a raider, I'm not a crafter, I'm not a decorator I am mostly a solo'r that likes having a home to come home too and I love the fact that it is "free" of rent.  I just toured the estate for the first time ever being in there and I love it.  I am soooo looking forward to hitting the 7yr mark in a few more months just to get this reward..  And no I'm not new the EQ or EQ2, I've been playing since 1999 with no breaks.....  As the saying goes... to each their own.   Great reward!!!</p><p>Eshaac</p>

[Avirodar]

<p>To those of you who think this is a great veteran reward :Good on you. You're entitled to your opinion, and can believe this is a good reward all you like.I have no doubt that in the future, SOE will provide bigger, better, more detailed, more customisable, more aesthetic, more appealing and vastly superior player housing option than the mistmoore estate. Likely targets will be New Tunaria, or a KOS themed/based zone.When that happens, the 7yr veteran reward becomes a joke. Actually it does not even deserve to be called a joke, a joke is useful, because they make people laugh. There would be nothing funny about a completely worthless, rarely used 7yr veteran reward. It is severely pushing the useless/worthless line already, as far as the MAJORITY of players are concerned. When the ADHD house loving crowd, with no ability to look to the future, get a newer, bigger, shinier toy (house) to move on to, it will be as if the Mistmoore Crag does not exist.What a waste. People need to learn to use some logic. Adding the Mistmoore Crag into the game is great. Adding it as a 7yr veteran reward is nothing short of stupid.</p>

[mysticalone]

<p>well i am pretty much rubber necking at the vet reward thread, but i must ask</p><p>which is more of a joke</p><p>a tombstone</p><p>xp potions with 5 charges</p><p>a thing to fill vitality that is basically useless to level capped players for most of its life</p><p>a house?</p><p>/shrug</p><p>vet items are just little trinkets to say we recognize your here and here is a free gift.    I feel like i am watching at christmas time and someone sent my kid a present and it was a pair of socks but they were upset because they expected to get a transformer toy for their collection cause that is what they asked for.  lol honest to god that is what is going on in the back of my head when i read the "meh i dont like this gift it sucks" stuff .</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>well i am pretty much rubber necking at the vet reward thread, but i must ask</p><p>which is more of a joke</p><p>a tombstone</p><p>xp potions with 5 charges</p><p>a thing to fill vitality that is basically useless to level capped players for most of its life</p><p>a house?</p><p>/shrug</p><p>vet items are just little trinkets to say we recognize your here and here is a free gift.    I feel like i am watching at christmas time and someone sent my kid a present and it was a pair of socks but they were upset because they expected to get a transformer toy for their collection cause that is what they asked for.  lol honest to god that is what is going on in the back of my head when i read the "meh i dont like this gift it sucks" stuff .</p></blockquote><p>You forgot a 10% broker fee sale display that allows a competitive edge on broker transactions.You forgot a Call of the Veteran clickie that is a very helpful transportation tool.You forgot a rent reduction item for players who do not have a LON house, or will be 7yrs in.XP potions are fantastic for any time you roll an alt. Hypothetically, in 9 months from now, you want to level up a carpenter to decorate the super-house you purchased on the Marketplace? Those XP pots will let you level up your carpenter even faster, so you can make a house vastly superior to the Mistmoore Crag estate look even better!The vitality recharges were gifts to veteran players, to promote/encourage more alts being created. By design and intention, that is a useful veteran gift!So all in all, the 7 year veteran reward house is on par with the 3 month tombstone, both being completely worthless.</p>

[Jaffa Tamarin]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You forgot a rent reduction item for players who do not have a LON house, or will be 7yrs in.</p></blockquote><p>A rent reduction item is useful for two groups of people.</p><p>1. People who have moved to a bigger house because they like houses.  These people are certainly going to be interested in a new unique housing option.  For the record, this is where I am.</p><p>2. People who have moved to a bigger house just for broker and storage slots.  If a rent reduction item is useful, getting those slots in a completely free house is even more useful.</p><p>IMO, grandiose fluff items are far better as vet rewards than boring functional items.  More XP pots may be useful, but OMG yawn!</p>

[Alvane]

<p>Actually, when you think about it, the Mistmoore House is the first house offered with no rent nor a purchase price that wasn't:</p><p>1. part of LoN</p><p>2. part of a convention give-away</p><p>and easily gotten by simply being a subscriber for 7 years.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>and easily gotten by simply being a subscriber for 7 years.</p></blockquote><p>That was pure gold. Easily gotten? Oh yeah! All you have to do is subscribe for 7 consecutive years! Total cake!!!I would love to see what you consider difficult? A 80 year veteran reward for sticking to the same MMO for 80 years?And to Skrat : A better 7yr veteran reward offer would be... A deed/title of ownership that permanently removes the rent expense of the veterans current residence, allows 5 or 6 vault slots, and includes a banker function.  That would allow seasoned veterans to enjoy the house of their choosing, anywhere in Norrath. Giving players choice is a superior option, unless you enjoy being one of the mindless sheep that is herded into what ever pen (house) SOE has most recently released?However, SOE should still add the Mistmoore Crag into the game, and make it available via moonlit enchantments, city festivals, or some form of quest instead. They are far more fitting sources for such an addition to EQ2. And guess what happens then? The majority of 7yr veterans can get a reward that is worth more than dirt to them. And people who play EQ2 to decorate houses, can still get their precious little crag to play with. Everyone wins.What do housing fanatics really expect from their crag anyway? A pathetically insignificant number of players will go to your crag to "admire" your decorating. Once the crag is decorated, it will mostly be abandoned due to guild halls offering vastly superior ammenities and services. And if you happen to be a loner in an MMO, city zones offer vastly superior ammenities and services to homes. Player homes have been, and will continue to be, inferior. Unless SOE makes significant changes to what players can do in houses (banker/broker/bells/spires/mender/tradeskill vender/druid ring), the Mistmoore Crag will have the same value to most 7yr veterans, as the 3 month tombstone.  Nothing.</p>

[Nahdian]

<p><span style="font-size: x-small;">The sad truth is ,no matter what Soe does . They can't please everyone. Your gonna have the usual whiners and the Happy Dancers. I fall into the latter catagory. I am 90 adventurer and 90 crafter , I really don't need more potions , armor or weapons. And while I am waiting for the next expansion to come out. I spend time decorating. That in itself is one of the main reasons I have played this game from the beggining. I think this is a great vet reward and am very pleased. So Thanks SOE, finally a vet reward that I really like and will use.</span></p>

[Bratface]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p>At the time the 25% off was great and everyone I knew used it... Vet display? anyone who wants to be competitive on the Broker uses it and wants it... There have even been posts in the past about how it's an unfair pricing advantage.</p><p>And CoV ... I can't think of one person that has it that doesn't like it (most would love it if not for the bugs, supposedly some being fixed).</p><p>You are in the minority .. while the first one is meh now.. it was great then.. while the second one is only an additional 10% I guarantee that the MAJORITY of the people that have access to it, do indeed use it. And I would bet that they put their more expensive items into it.</p><p>I will leave it at that. You will continue to think that most people never used those items.. and I will continue to think that they did and do for that matter.</p></blockquote><p>I have to agree with you here, when the chest first came out it was very useful because the economy was different back then. But even now I still use it on all my toons just because it saves a little coin, and why wouldn't I do that?</p><p>CoV is used by everyone that has it, bugged or not it is extremely useful to those that have it and used very often. Even those that don't have one of their own can benefit from someone who does have one....</p><p>Most of my Vet rewards go unclaimed, I don't need tiny bags or ugly appearance gear, but I do use the veteran's display case, the treasure hoard, CoV and on some I use the pixie for fun.... Pirate flags and tombstones are useless to me btu fun for others, but I never started a thread about how useless they are lol.</p><p>The thing about this house though is that would really be better if it was an alternate home, that we long time players were finally given an ability to have a second home,, with our numbers being rather low I can't see how this would weigh the servers down very much..... It's a nice place to visit but I don't think I'd want to live there all the time, but it would rock as a vacation home!!</p>

[Curiel]

<p>When I first got wind of this, I thought it was awesome.  I love decorating my house and i have always felt limited by the fact that I could only get up to a certain housing level because my guild wasn't high enough, or status or plat.  I'm almost a 7 year vet, so I was excited at first and I just had to see it.</p><p>So logged into test to view it for myself.  Here are my thoughts:</p><ol><li>Well it's HUGE. I don't see 600 slots as being nearly enough slots for a place that's about the size of a T2 guild hall.</li><li>You only get the one design and while that design is awesome for some, it's not for others.  It's so over-the-top in its base decoration that to add more decoration to it would make it look chaotic.  To try to cover up the walls with walls you buy or get off the broker, would take up a significant amount of slot space... see point 1.</li><li>I like that you can access it from Qeynos or Freeport without traveling to Lopping Plains, but I am not personally fond of the location of the mansion itself.  The veiw of TD is not "pretty" really.  Which is great for grim or mysterious type characters, but for my mostly elven toons, it simply doesn't work for them.  I want a yard... not a balcony, not a view, but a real yard that I can put all the trees I've been collecting in.  I've been saving them for the day I actually have a real BIG yard!</li><li>It's awesome that it's rent and status free and has 5 slots.  Okay that's great as a crafter.  I can certainly use that aspect, but really I'd rather have that by itself than being offered the only one floor plan in the one and only house.</li></ol><p>Since I am nearly a 7 year vet, here's what I really want.  This is just my personal take on it.  I don't expect everyone to agree.</p><ol><li>I want a voucher that says I can have any home (maybe even guild hall since what we get is the size of guild hall) in the world of Norrath for rent and status free.  It should be transferable as well in case I deside that I would like move.  After all if Qeynos (or Freeport, or Kelethin etc) is rewarding me for my great and noble deeds of the last 7 years then I should have the option to move to where ever I see fit and if it doesn't suit me, I can always notify the Qeynos clerk that I am moving etc... to "please change my voucher to my new address".</li><li>I also want guild hall amenities.  Really if I've been loyal for 7 years, why should I be limited simply because I'm not in a HUGE raid guild.  Is it really all that l33t that I haven't earned that for sheer longevity in the game?  Some may say sure, but I don't think so.  I've gone out of my way to create a pretty elabrorate home made guild hall type house for myself.  It's got almost everything I want except any amenities.</li></ol><p>Honestly, like many of you here, when I first got an email from a friend telling me about this, I was overwhelmed with excitement, till I visited it myself and then thought of the real limitations it had for me and then I got just a little bummed.  It's a great idea sure, but I'm with those here who have suggested what I have suggested above.  Make it optional and offer a voucher for any house you want as well.  It really covers more people and gives them the option to have a house they really want that fits their style/character.  I also sent that in as /feedback as well.  I encourage everyone to send in /feedback.  And if you love it, say that too!</p><p>Thanks for reading...</p>

[mysticalone]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>well i am pretty much rubber necking at the vet reward thread, but i must ask</p><p>which is more of a joke</p><p>a tombstone</p><p>xp potions with 5 charges</p><p>a thing to fill vitality that is basically useless to level capped players for most of its life</p><p>a house?</p><p>/shrug</p><p>vet items are just little trinkets to say we recognize your here and here is a free gift.    I feel like i am watching at christmas time and someone sent my kid a present and it was a pair of socks but they were upset because they expected to get a transformer toy for their collection cause that is what they asked for.  lol honest to god that is what is going on in the back of my head when i read the "meh i dont like this gift it sucks" stuff .</p></blockquote><p>You forgot a 10% broker fee sale display that allows a competitive edge on broker transactions.You forgot a Call of the Veteran clickie that is a very helpful transportation tool.You forgot a rent reduction item for players who do not have a LON house, or will be 7yrs in.XP potions are fantastic for any time you roll an alt. Hypothetically, in 9 months from now, you want to level up a carpenter to decorate the super-house you purchased on the Marketplace? Those XP pots will let you level up your carpenter even faster, so you can make a house vastly superior to the Mistmoore Crag estate look even better!The vitality recharges were gifts to veteran players, to promote/encourage more alts being created. By design and intention, that is a useful veteran gift!So all in all, the 7 year veteran reward house is on par with the 3 month tombstone, both being completely worthless.</p></blockquote><p>actualy i listed the vet gifts that were comletely worthless to me lol I have so many potions its ridiculous i never used them</p><p>the broker fee thing the case is to small and i long ago stopped using it and replaced it with something with more slots (err actualy my main still has his up but its not cause of the amazing amount of slots it has or the discount its for the fact that when you scroll over it it says veterans display case so to me it was a sign of status as it had the word veteran in it lol my alts i never bothered to set itup though they all are using salesman crates with larger capacities)</p><p>the vet call is nice i have used it 3 times and 2 of those times it was bugged but thanksfully i also have call of tinkerer.  I have a summoner that never uses it and didnt even clam it</p><p>the vitality recharge well i manged to never run out my main enver ever used it even after the lvel cap was raised.  My alts I dont grind till they run out of vitality because I tend to tradeskill as well and so i have not even bothered to claim it on my alts</p><p>the coin rent reduction thing long ago go over ridden by house items but the chest is cool i must admit.</p><p>I am actualy fascinated by the poralized community on this issue and am in another thread where people are upset about not getting it cause they think the items is cool.   I think the house itself that they chose which has a "larger then life" feel to it is a great vets status reward it screams I am a 7 year vet.   In fact some people like it so much they want to pay sony big bucks to use it lol so quite obviously your underestimating the appeal of this item to many.   The argument is quite heated vets dont want new 1 year old players paying for their awesome house.   I dont think in all the years I have lurked on these boards I have ever seen anyone wanting to pay for a vet reward.    I think soe found something that people actually want and I think that those who are saying "bleh" are probably in most cases gonna fill up those houses too and use them as storage cause they are great storage items.  </p>

[quiarrah]

<p><cite>Nahdian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">The sad truth is ,no matter what Soe does . They can't please everyone. Your gonna have the usual whiners and the Happy Dancers. I fall into the latter catagory. I am 90 adventurer and 90 crafter , I really don't need more potions , armor or weapons. And while I am waiting for the next expansion to come out. I spend time decorating. That in itself is one of the main reasons I have played this game from the beggining. I think this is a great vet reward and am very pleased. So Thanks SOE, finally a vet reward that I really like and will use.</span></p></blockquote><p>AYE! to that. Tradeskilling and decorating are the main reasons I have played this game for the last 7 years also. . (EQ I prior to that). They are so much better than WoW in the tradeskilling department and even though you can sit and lay down in WoW . .they have no houses.</p><p>I agree with Nahdian. .no matter what Soe does. .they cannot please everyone all of the time. It is impossible. So stop whinning. . ..this is one reward I will definately be using too.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>quiarrah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nahdian wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">The sad truth is ,no matter what Soe does . They can't please everyone. Your gonna have the usual whiners and the Happy Dancers. I fall into the latter catagory. I am 90 adventurer and 90 crafter , I really don't need more potions , armor or weapons. And while I am waiting for the next expansion to come out. I spend time decorating. That in itself is one of the main reasons I have played this game from the beggining. I think this is a great vet reward and am very pleased. So Thanks SOE, finally a vet reward that I really like and will use.</span></p></blockquote><p>AYE! to that. Tradeskilling and decorating are the main reasons I have played this game for the last 7 years also. . (EQ I prior to that). They are so much better than WoW in the tradeskilling department and even though you can sit and lay down in WoW . .they have no houses.</p><p>I agree with Nahdian. .no matter what Soe does. .they cannot please everyone all of the time. It is impossible. So stop whinning. . ..this is one reward I will definately be using too.</p></blockquote><p>100% Agreed</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont think in all the years I have lurked on these boards I have ever seen anyone wanting to pay for a vet reward.    I think soe found something that people actually want and I think that those who are saying "bleh" are probably in most cases gonna fill up those houses too and use them as storage cause they are great storage items.  </p></blockquote><p>People did the same thing last year actually wanting the CoV item. Some complained because it was right before that was released that SOE made it so you didn't get a year credit just by paying for the year up front. Timed just so lol.. and you had people wanting to fork over the money then also.</p><p>I am not against the house being a Vet reward.. I just think there needs to be something else to it.. This is the Pixie on the String of the 7 year Vet rewards.. now where is the CoV of it :p</p>

[mysticalone]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont think in all the years I have lurked on these boards I have ever seen anyone wanting to pay for a vet reward.    I think soe found something that people actually want and I think that those who are saying "bleh" are probably in most cases gonna fill up those houses too and use them as storage cause they are great storage items.  </p></blockquote><p>People did the same thing last year actually wanting the CoV item. Some complained because it was right before that was released that SOE made it so you didn't get a year credit just by paying for the year up front. Timed just so lol.. and you had people wanting to fork over the money then also.</p><p>I am not against the house being a Vet reward.. I just think there needs to be something else to it.. This is the Pixie on the String of the 7 year Vet rewards.. now where is the CoV of it :p</p></blockquote><p>lol pixie on a string you know i hated that thing so much i deleted it lol</p><p>basically they cant' make a reward to please everyone.  I hate pixie on a string and potions and the vitality thing man that thing is useless to me i just dont play hard enough to ever need it I just switch to another alt.   So for me this is the mostest awesome vet gift we can get.   The other thing I really liked oddly enough was a hood we got but I dont remember if it was a vet reward or something else it was last year and it was a hood and cape it matched the halloween armour so I have one of my tanks with that hood and cape.  Anyhow I dont tend to get all upset over stuff I dont want I just well delete them and move on.   I doubt that they will ever make a gift to please everyone and if they give us more potions this year to please those who didn't like the house I think i will open them all up and take a bath in them.   My guy hasn't had a bath since i made him.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I dont think in all the years I have lurked on these boards I have ever seen anyone wanting to pay for a vet reward.    I think soe found something that people actually want and I think that those who are saying "bleh" are probably in most cases gonna fill up those houses too and use them as storage cause they are great storage items.  </p></blockquote><p>People did the same thing last year actually wanting the CoV item. Some complained because it was right before that was released that SOE made it so you didn't get a year credit just by paying for the year up front. Timed just so lol.. and you had people wanting to fork over the money then also.</p><p>I am not against the house being a Vet reward.. I just think there needs to be something else to it.. This is the Pixie on the String of the 7 year Vet rewards.. now where is the CoV of it :p</p></blockquote><p>lol pixie on a string you know i hated that thing so much i deleted it lol</p><p>basically they cant' make a reward to please everyone.  I hate pixie on a string and potions and the vitality thing man that thing is useless to me i just dont play hard enough to ever need it I just switch to another alt.   So for me this is the mostest awesome vet gift we can get.   The other thing I really liked oddly enough was a hood we got but I dont remember if it was a vet reward or something else it was last year and it was a hood and cape it matched the halloween armour so I have one of my tanks with that hood and cape.  Anyhow I dont tend to get all upset over stuff I dont want I just well delete them and move on.   I doubt that they will ever make a gift to please everyone and if they give us more potions this year to please those who didn't like the house I think i will open them all up and take a bath in them.   My guy hasn't had a bath since i made him.</p></blockquote><p>The hood and cape came from the 6 year vet reward.</p><p>For the last what 4 years or so there has been a Fluff item like "Pixie on a String", "Mystic Moppet", Various Titles, The Hood and Cape from last year...</p><p>Then there has been conventional items lol XP/TS potions, The Vitality recharges (whether you personally used or not), The 25% chest, the Vet Case, the Call of Vet... these are all conventional and for alot of people everyday items. The potions are bought a plenty on the market place even they are so desired.</p><p>All I am saying is the house is the Fluff item this year... to alot of people it truly is the same as the pixie on a string. Heck I was upset when they added a room to my EFP house. I don't decorate and all I could think of was... [Removed for Content] and I going to do to hide that door lol.</p>

[Elorah]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The above post wasn't directed to me but I'm going to reply. </p><p>Housing IS part of the content.  There is lots of content, for lots of different play styles.  Not everyone raids.  Not everyone decorates.  Most people enjoy a mix of all the content, which includes housing and raiding and everything in between.  I personally enjoy decorating and crafting, but I do occassionally quest, group, solo, and duo.  I don't raid, but not because I can't raid, but because I had raid burn out.  I'd been raiding since EQ1, there, here, other games for going on 10 years until I came back to EQ2 the end of last year.  The reason I came back here instead of other games is because there's such a variety of things to do other than raid in this game. </p></blockquote><p>Not really, I know myself and many others only have a house so we can change specs and for alter use, I could care less what a house is, I'm content with an Inn room. If I have been loyal to a game for 7 years, give me something actually useful.</p></blockquote><p>Completely ignoring the rude comments directed at me...</p><p>Ok, by your standards, you only use a house to change specs and place alter...  perhaps storage or to sell out of.  How is a FREE Bigger house (more storage) not useful?  All of those quest rewards need someplace to go..  Bank, vault, or house. </p><p>Just about EVERYONE in game has a house.  That is my point.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>Elorah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The above post wasn't directed to me but I'm going to reply. </p><p>Housing IS part of the content.  There is lots of content, for lots of different play styles.  Not everyone raids.  Not everyone decorates.  Most people enjoy a mix of all the content, which includes housing and raiding and everything in between.  I personally enjoy decorating and crafting, but I do occassionally quest, group, solo, and duo.  I don't raid, but not because I can't raid, but because I had raid burn out.  I'd been raiding since EQ1, there, here, other games for going on 10 years until I came back to EQ2 the end of last year.  The reason I came back here instead of other games is because there's such a variety of things to do other than raid in this game. </p></blockquote><p>Not really, I know myself and many others only have a house so we can change specs and for alter use, I could care less what a house is, I'm content with an Inn room. If I have been loyal to a game for 7 years, give me something actually useful.</p></blockquote><p>Completely ignoring the rude comments directed at me...</p><p>Ok, by your standards, you only use a house to change specs and place alter...  perhaps storage or to sell out of.  How is a FREE Bigger house (more storage) not useful?  All of those quest rewards need someplace to go..  Bank, vault, or house. </p><p>Just about EVERYONE in game has a house.  That is my point.</p></blockquote><p>How is a FREE bigger house not useful?</p><p>Well I don't use all the storage on the one I have to start. Quest rewards? Honestly if I can not transmute them or sell them they get deleted. All my Lore and Legand items are sold.. the books destroyed. HQ items are sold if they are not of use to me. And everything else is transmuted.</p><p>My wife likes to decorate... I give any status items to her either by trading or going to her house and setting them down for her to place. This is how many.. many of us use our houses. They are an inconvience that alot of us don't want to deal with but for broker and mirrors we HAVE to.</p><p>I am sure Notso is not against the house in the greater sense of it. But him, me, just about everyone in my guild and on my friends list would like to see something the rest of us can use. Like I said earlier there has always been a fluff item or two and a convientional item in the Vet rewards.. Me and alot of us are just hoping that a convetional item is added along with the house. No one wants to actually prevent those of you who want the house from getting it at all. We just would like to see something ADDED to the 7 year reward</p>

[Elorah]

<p>The point being is that they can not make everyone happy with the rewards, so they try to make as many as they can happy.  A house is used by everyone just about, so perhaps they thought that this was a good one to use.</p><p>I assume that the Vet rewards are all fluffy type items that are useful to some.  This thread alone proves that point.  There are MANY reasons that people play this game.  To cater to each one specifically is probably not going to happen as it is just almost impossible to do. </p><p>Your reasons are your own as mine are.  We have different reasons for playing this game.  At least the Crag house will save people 5 SP a week... lol</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>I get that the house is a disapointment to some.  I really do.  But what is trying to be gotten across here is that there is a difference in "fluff" and housing.  I realize a lot of people group them together but to me, and obviously quite a few others, housing is THE reason to play this game for 6+ years.    I have tried other MMOs in the past years and I really enjoyed 2 of them.  What didnt keep me there and what kept bringing me back here is the housing.  It's not just about having a "facebook game" where you can solely decorate.  EQ2 lets me adventure and tradeskill then rewards me with something that I can display somewhere and not just shove it in the bank.</p><p>So no, this house is not on par with a Pixie on a string; sorry.  As far as not being useful, maybe to some of you personally it wont but the majority of players (which is the point of a Veteran Reward) will find a use for it even if not to decorate it.</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>and easily gotten by simply being a subscriber for 7 years.</p></blockquote><p>That was pure gold. Easily gotten? Oh yeah! All you have to do is subscribe for 7 consecutive years! Total cake!!!</p><p>Player homes have been, and will continue to be, inferior. .....</p></blockquote><p>Wrong - one does not have to subscribe consecutively. And yes, it's easily obtained. All you have to do is type /claim, then select the reward, if you qualify.</p><p>Veteran rewards are a gift from SoE. If you receive a Christmas or birthday gift from someone and you dislike it, what do you do? Do you call or write the person and rant how horrible the gift is? I bet not. I bet you'll re-gift it, or return to store and exhange it if you can or throw it away. If you don't like the gift from SoE, then destroy it.</p><p>Player houses are simply a vehicle for brokerage use and for player interaction. They are for decorating and for storing all your house items from L&L, HQs, furniture, plushies, arena pets, transportaion items and so on.</p><p>If you don't like houses, you are not required to use one other than a hovel to dump your sales crates so you can utilize the broker for selling.</p><p>If you don't like a gift, then throw it away.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>and easily gotten by simply being a subscriber for 7 years.</p></blockquote><p>That was pure gold. Easily gotten? Oh yeah! All you have to do is subscribe for 7 consecutive years! Total cake!!!</p><p>Player homes have been, and will continue to be, inferior. .....</p></blockquote><p>Wrong - one does not have to subscribe consecutively. And yes, it's easily obtained. All you have to do is type /claim, then select the reward, if you qualify.</p><p>Veteran rewards are a gift from SoE. If you receive a Christmas or birthday gift from someone and you dislike it, what do you do? Do you call or write the person and rant how horrible the gift is? I bet not. I bet you'll re-gift it, or return to store and exhange it if you can or throw it away. If you don't like the gift from SoE, then destroy it.</p><p>Player houses are simply a vehicle for brokerage use and for player interaction. They are for decorating and for storing all your house items from L&L, HQs, furniture, plushies, arena pets, transportaion items and so on.</p><p>If you don't like houses, you are not required to use one other than a hovel to dump your sales crates so you can utilize the broker for selling.</p><p>If you don't like a gift, then throw it away.</p></blockquote><p>To be able to get it any time soon, it will have to be 7 consecutive years, because time off will push most people well beyond fast access to the estate. There after, players with 7 accumulated years become viable recipients.Seven accumulated years is a massive investment of time and money. There is nothing "easy" about it. Are you the kind of player who thinks that getting end game raid loot is "easy" because all you have to do is click the accept button when the loot is being allocated? Trying to imply that pre-requisites do not matter, is one of the most incompetent applications of logic that I have seen in a long time.Also, you seem very confused about the difference the words "Gift", and "Reward".  SOE calls them Veteran Rewards, not Veteran Gifts, so let us explore such. The difference between a gift, and a reward, is gifts are not earned.<span style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"> Feel free to look up the definitions of the words in a dictionary. Now, stop drooling over the crag for more than five seconds to think about this... Veteran rewards are earned through loyalty and paid custom to a company, namely SOE. Veteran rewards are much akin to the customer loyalty programs at any of your local retailers, the greater the customer loyalty, the better the reward should be for the majority of eligible recipients.Rewards should match the requirements to achieve them. That is why most companies offer choices for more lofty reward achievements.To the majority of players, the Mistmoore Crag will be worthless, and there is no worth while alternative that can be chosen instead. This is where SOE has failed the customers.  Effective and useful alternatives, or additions to be offered as a choice, have been given by players. I can only hope SOE acts upon them.Sorry to burst your bubble, but the crag sucks.</span></p><div><span> </span></div>

[Drusi]

<p>Due to a couple of lengthy breaks I took from the game, I won't get my veteran house for another year, but I think this house is one of the best rewards ever offered so far. I enjoy a lot of things about EQ2, but the housing and decorating options help to put this game far above and beyond much of the competition. I can't wait to get mine!</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Due to a couple of lengthy breaks I took from the game, I won't get my veteran house for another year, but I think this house is one of the best rewards ever offered so far. I enjoy a lot of things about EQ2, but the housing and decorating options help to put this game far above and beyond much of the competition. I can't wait to get mine!</p></blockquote><p>And what will you think in the future, when you can obtain player housing that is vastly superior to the crag, via coin/status, event tokens, station cash, or run through a quest to obtain it?Did you even think about the future, or go all ga-ga over a shiny you just spotted?Oh well, what ever makes the OCD-ADHD crowd happy for five minutes, right?What SOE could add as a secondary choice for a 7 year veteran reward, is the ability to zone into any players mistmoore crag and ransak it (move items around). The Loping Plains is not a secure environment, after all. Then I would have an option at my disposal, that makes decorators feel how the current option makes me feel. Disgusted.</p>

[Drusi]

<p>Actually, I'm still excited about the acorn houses in Kelethin, so why wouldn't I still be excited by the Crag Mansion once I decide on a character who it will be perfect for and my year of waiting is up? I'm thinking of creating a tiny female, gnome necromancer that could very much enjoy this home.</p><p>I am *always* thinking about the future. If new houses come out that I like, then I will find people to put into them, too. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>You know, SOE didn't need to come up with any vet rewards at all. I still have a lot of unclaimed vet rewards that didn't really thrill me from previous years, but I still think "thank you" is a much better response than, "is that all?" I may still get some use out of them in the future.</p><p>This house is the best reward that has come out by far. Makes just about every other previous reward pale in comparison.</p>

[Senya]

<p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> I still think "thank you" is a much better response than, "is that all?"</p></blockquote><p>/agree 110%.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Senya wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> I still think "thank you" is a much better response than, "is that all?"</p></blockquote><p>/agree 110%.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you SoE for giving me a pile of crap that is useless to me! Did I do it right?</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Will there be other /claim items besides the estate? Like titles, XP potions, etc?</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Due to a couple of lengthy breaks I took from the game, I won't get my veteran house for another year, but I think this house is one of the best rewards ever offered so far. I enjoy a lot of things about EQ2, but the housing and decorating options help to put this game far above and beyond much of the competition. I can't wait to get mine!</p></blockquote><p>And what will you think in the future, when you can obtain player housing that is vastly superior to the crag, via coin/status, event tokens, station cash, or run through a quest to obtain it?Did you even think about the future, or go all ga-ga over a shiny you just spotted?Oh well, what ever makes the OCD-ADHD crowd happy for five minutes, right?What SOE could add as a secondary choice for a 7 year veteran reward, is the ability to zone into any players mistmoore crag and ransak it (move items around). The Loping Plains is not a secure environment, after all. Then I would have an option at my disposal, that makes decorators feel how the current option makes me feel. <strong>Disgusted.</strong></p></blockquote><p>There are many, many people that will be happy with this house and not just in the short term.  I still enjoy all of my houses, including my first one that I have had since my first guild hit level 30 many years ago.  I have one in every city on my main and alts and each one is unique in style just as this one will be.</p><p>What <em>disgusts</em> me, however, are your posts on here.  It would be one thing if you made your opinion known and left it at that.  But through the coarse of this thread you have billitled people continuesly, called them ADHD and other wise crack names, and in general acted as if your 6 years (if you even have been here for 6 years) is more important than other peoples.</p><p>You are butt hurt about the reward; everyone gets it, but trying to make others feel bad will not change what the reward is so in the end you will have to either get over it or quit.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Due to a couple of lengthy breaks I took from the game, I won't get my veteran house for another year, but I think this house is one of the best rewards ever offered so far. I enjoy a lot of things about EQ2, but the housing and decorating options help to put this game far above and beyond much of the competition. I can't wait to get mine!</p></blockquote><p>And what will you think in the future, when you can obtain player housing that is vastly superior to the crag, via coin/status, event tokens, station cash, or run through a quest to obtain it?Did you even think about the future, or go all ga-ga over a shiny you just spotted?Oh well, what ever makes the OCD-ADHD crowd happy for five minutes, right?What SOE could add as a secondary choice for a 7 year veteran reward, is the ability to zone into any players mistmoore crag and ransak it (move items around). The Loping Plains is not a secure environment, after all. Then I would have an option at my disposal, that makes decorators feel how the current option makes me feel. <strong>Disgusted.</strong></p></blockquote><p>There are many, many people that will be happy with this house and not just in the short term.  I still enjoy all of my houses, including my first one that I have had since my first guild hit level 30 many years ago.  I have one in every city on my main and alts and each one is unique in style just as this one will be.</p><p>What <em>disgusts</em> me, however, are your posts on here.  It would be one thing if you made your opinion known and left it at that.  But through the coarse of this thread you have billitled people continuesly, called them ADHD and other wise crack names, and in general acted as if your 6 years (if you even have been here for 6 years) is more important than other peoples.</p><p>You are butt hurt about the reward; everyone gets it, but trying to make others feel bad will not change what the reward is so in the end you will have to either get over it or quit.</p></blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p></blockquote><p>I agree; it's not "Barbie Playhouse Online."  It is Everquest 2 and housing has been apart of Everquest 2 since the beggining.  So try again.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>LOL I'm always noticing on these forums people always bashing other people's play styles. Rather it be PvP, RolePlay, Raiding, Dressup, exc. We all should just agree on the simple fact that this game cators to a lot of different play styles and just move on. I personally like RP and Raiding the most, but i do like modeling a house too. I don't like PvP, but i don't say it's a bad thing or anything. To each their own. As for the 7 year house; I will use it on my alts, but my main has a established house fully stat reduced and it's getting a balcony view of south qeynos that i can do with whatever i wish. Plus my item count with the gnomish storage device added will hold up to 800 items. I have 6 broker slots and about 6 or 8 vault slots in the house. I ain't movin. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p></blockquote><p>I agree; it's not "Barbie Playhouse Online."  It is Everquest 2 and housing has been apart of Everquest 2 since the beggining.  So try again.</p></blockquote><p>Housing has been a small part of the game, This game is based on adventure outside of town, not inside. Unless I missed something.</p><p>There should have been a reward for 7 years that was a once a month usable Trinket that Unattuned any piece of gear on the toon. Now that would have been something useful.</p>

[Khiara]

<p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p></blockquote><p>It's not free, It's SoE's way of saying "Thanks for Dealing with all the bugs and poor implementation we have had for so long". I mean it's not even a unique layout to a house, it's MMIS basically. If I have paid into a game for 7 years, I want a reward useful to me, a house is not that.</p>

[Khiara]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p></blockquote><p>It's not free, It's SoE's way of saying "Thanks for Dealing with all the bugs and poor implementation we have had for so long". I mean it's not even a unique layout to a house, it's MMIS basically. If I have paid into a game for 7 years, I want a reward useful to me, a house is not that.</p></blockquote><p>Ok I get that...but have they even said what the 7yr COMPLETE reward is going to be? I haven't been able to find it anywhere...perhaps there WILL be something for those that DON'T enjoy decorating....just a thought..</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p></blockquote><p>It's not free, It's SoE's way of saying "Thanks for Dealing with all the bugs and poor implementation we have had for so long". I mean it's not even a unique layout to a house, it's MMIS basically. If I have paid into a game for 7 years, I want a reward useful to me, a house is not that.</p></blockquote><p>Ok I get that...but have they even said what the 7yr COMPLETE reward is going to be? I haven't been able to find it anywhere...perhaps there WILL be something for those that DON'T enjoy decorating....just a thought..</p></blockquote><p>There is a Theme of 1 major item, and then a bunch of miniscule fluff stuff. We know what the major item is so according to the trend, there isn't going to be anything really worthwhile</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p></blockquote><p>I agree; it's not "Barbie Playhouse Online."  It is Everquest 2 and housing has been apart of Everquest 2 since the beggining.  So try again.</p></blockquote><p>Housing has been a small part of the game, This game is based on adventure outside of town, not inside. Unless I missed something.</p></blockquote><p>Correction: A small part of the game for <strong>YOU</strong>.  I have no doubt that you "dont know anyone else that likes housing" because I am quite sure your social circle consists of those with your own like mind, however this game goes far beyond killing other players or monsters and getting exp to a lot of people.  This game is not only based on adventure outside of town; there is quite a bit to do in town as well. </p><p>Virtually the entire tradeskill profesion is done inside of town and for a lot of people, crafting is all that they do.  Almost every questline in the game gives house rewards at some point in its duration and much work is put into making housing bigger and nicer looking (this update coming is a good example).   Your entitled to your opinion but just not that your perception of the game does not equal the whole communitys perception.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p></blockquote><p>I agree; it's not "Barbie Playhouse Online."  It is Everquest 2 and housing has been apart of Everquest 2 since the beggining.  So try again.</p></blockquote><p>Housing has been a small part of the game, This game is based on adventure outside of town, not inside. Unless I missed something.</p></blockquote><p>Correction: A small part of the game for <strong>YOU</strong>.  I have no doubt that you "dont know anyone else that likes housing" because I am quite sure your social circle consists of those with your own like mind, however this game goes far beyond killing other players or monsters and getting exp to a lot of people.  This game is not only based on adventure outside of town; there is quite a bit to do in town as well. </p><p>Virtually the entire tradeskill profesion is done inside of town and for a lot of people, crafting is all that they do.  Almost every questline in the game gives house rewards at some point in its duration and much work is put into making housing bigger and nicer looking (this update coming is a good example).   Your entitled to your opinion but just not that your perception of the game does not equal the whole communitys perception.</p></blockquote><p>Tradeskills, Minus for the most part Carpenter as used to improve adventuring. Tell me this, Was there ever an expansion that came out that boasted the games houses? I can't think of one, It's always about adventuring, questing, raiding, instancing, grouping, socializing.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p></blockquote><p>It's not free, It's SoE's way of saying "Thanks for Dealing with all the bugs and poor implementation we have had for so long". I mean it's not even a unique layout to a house, it's MMIS basically. If I have paid into a game for 7 years, I want a reward useful to <em><strong>me</strong></em>, a house is not that.</p></blockquote><p>Your "reward" is playing the game.  You pay the subscription because you want to play.  The Vet rewards are just an extra thank you for playing.  Also, if the reward was a raid or PvP item it would not be useful to <em><strong>me.</strong><strong></strong></em>  They can not please everyone and this year you did not get pleased.  Maybe next year.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Whats wrong with him saying EQ2 isn't Barbie Playhouse Online?</p></blockquote><p>I agree; it's not "Barbie Playhouse Online."  It is Everquest 2 and housing has been apart of Everquest 2 since the beggining.  So try again.</p></blockquote><p>Housing has been a small part of the game, This game is based on adventure outside of town, not inside. Unless I missed something.</p></blockquote><p>Correction: A small part of the game for <strong>YOU</strong>.  I have no doubt that you "dont know anyone else that likes housing" because I am quite sure your social circle consists of those with your own like mind, however this game goes far beyond killing other players or monsters and getting exp to a lot of people.  This game is not only based on adventure outside of town; there is quite a bit to do in town as well. </p><p>Virtually the entire tradeskill profesion is done inside of town and for a lot of people, crafting is all that they do.  Almost every questline in the game gives house rewards at some point in its duration and much work is put into making housing bigger and nicer looking (this update coming is a good example).   Your entitled to your opinion but just not that your perception of the game does not equal the whole communitys perception.</p></blockquote><p>Tradeskills, Minus for the most part Carpenter as used to improve adventuring. Tell me this, Was there ever an expansion that came out that boasted the games houses? I can't think of one, It's always about adventuring, questing, raiding, instancing, grouping, socializing.</p></blockquote><p>Desert of Flames and Echoes of Faydwer had housing as did Rise of Kunark.  Updates adding in Neriak and New Halas housing happened too.  While I can't say what was "boasted" I know tha the housing was one of the first things I looked into when they were announced.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Pure and simple you are NEVER gonna make EVERYONE happy.   The house is an AWESOME item for those of us that LOVE to decorate.  Calling people names and trying to be a jerk to everyone who DOES think it's awesome isn't going to change the fact that THIS IS BEING FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEELY GIVEN BY SOE.  IT'S FREEEEEEE PEOPLE...FREE FREE FREE...so GET OVER IT FTLOG if you don't want it ...DON'T /claim it and go back to griping about instances and loot.  Let those of us that DO look forward to it enjoy it.</p><p>/rantoff</p></blockquote><p>It's not free, It's SoE's way of saying "Thanks for Dealing with all the bugs and poor implementation we have had for so long". I mean it's not even a unique layout to a house, it's MMIS basically. If I have paid into a game for 7 years, I want a reward useful to <em><strong>me</strong></em>, a house is not that.</p></blockquote><p>Your "reward" is playing the game.  You pay the subscription because you want to play.  The Vet rewards are just an extra thank you for playing.  Also, if the reward was a raid or PvP item it would not be useful to <em><strong>me.</strong><strong></strong></em>  They can not please everyone and this year you did not get pleased.  Maybe next year.</p></blockquote><p>The reward of playing a game cannot be paying to play it, that is not a reward, that is a business transation, not a reward. Thats like saying going to the store and buying something, your reward for shopping there over other places is whatever you bought. I know stores around here offer money off gas, etc for shopping there over their competition</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tradeskills, Minus for the most part Carpenter as used to improve adventuring. Tell me this, Was there ever an expansion that came out that boasted the games houses? I can't think of one, It's always about adventuring, questing, raiding, instancing, grouping, socializing.</p></blockquote><p>Desert of Flames and Echoes of Faydwer had housing as did Rise of Kunark.  Updates adding in Neriak and New Halas housing happened too.  While I can't say what was "boasted" I know tha the housing was one of the first things I looked into when they were announced.</p></blockquote><p>They were not boasted then, which further augments my point that even SoE doesn't feel it's a major point of the game nor a huge selling point, just a minor side thing to do.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tradeskills, Minus for the most part Carpenter as used to improve adventuring. Tell me this, Was there ever an expansion that came out that boasted the games houses? I can't think of one, It's always about adventuring, questing, raiding, instancing, grouping, socializing.</p></blockquote><p>Desert of Flames and Echoes of Faydwer had housing as did Rise of Kunark.  Updates adding in Neriak and New Halas housing happened too.  While I can't say what was "boasted" I know tha the housing was one of the first things I looked into when they were announced.</p></blockquote><p>They were not boasted then, which further augments my point that even SoE doesn't feel it's a major point of the game nor a huge selling point, just a minor side thing to do.</p></blockquote><p>Its such a minor point that it is the 7 year veteran reward and thats not changing.  Anyway, I'm done arguing about it.  I and many others will enjoy the estate while you can just not claim it and continuing crying about it if you wish.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Tradeskills, Minus for the most part Carpenter as used to improve adventuring. Tell me this, Was there ever an expansion that came out that boasted the games houses? I can't think of one, It's always about adventuring, questing, raiding, instancing, grouping, socializing.</p></blockquote><p>Desert of Flames and Echoes of Faydwer had housing as did Rise of Kunark.  Updates adding in Neriak and New Halas housing happened too.  While I can't say what was "boasted" I know tha the housing was one of the first things I looked into when they were announced.</p></blockquote><p>They were not boasted then, which further augments my point that even SoE doesn't feel it's a major point of the game nor a huge selling point, just a minor side thing to do.</p></blockquote><p>Its such a minor point that it is the 7 year veteran reward and thats not changing.  Anyway, I'm done arguing about it.  I and many others will enjoy the estate while you can just not claim it and continuing crying about it if you wish.</p></blockquote><p>Crying? I just want to see a good reward for the actual gameplay of Evequest 2, not the Dollhouse part of the game. The absolute only reason I will move to this house is to get rid of that message when trying to port to my house from the GH, but that doesn't even happen that much that I'm not sure I would.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>I may come off a bit rash in this post but some things just need to be said. Just because something in this game does not peek your personal interest, does not mean it's not a valid part of the game. If housing was a small part of the game, why is there so much furnature as quest rewards? It's been this way since launch. And now all of the newbie zones give you a ton of it. I get so many house items from the newbie zones i'm using spare broker slots for storage. Theres a whole crafting class dedicated to making furnature. Theres this thing called a city fair that travels to each city selling *gasp* FURNATURE! All your heritage quest items are house items or convert to them. So do your mounts. Every single event, rather it be holiday or just progression, they always give out lots of new furnature and clothing items. Yea it's not a valid part of the game... (/sarcasm) it may not be 100% MY gameplay style but it is there, perfectly valid, and catered to.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I may come off a bit rash in this post but some things just need to be said. Just because something in this game does not peek your personal interest, does not mean it's not a valid part of the game. If housing was a small part of the game, why is there so much furnature as quest rewards? It's been this way since launch. And now all of the newbie zones give you a ton of it. I get so many house items from the newbie zones i'm using spare broker slots for storage. Theres a whole crafting class dedicated to making furnature. Theres this thing called a city fair that travels to each city selling *gasp* FURNATURE! All your heritage quest items are house items or convert to them. So do your mounts. Every single event, rather it be holiday or just progression, they always give out lots of new furnature and clothing items. Yea it's not a valid part of the game... (/sarcasm) it may not be 100% MY gameplay style but it is there, perfectly valid, and catered to.</p></blockquote><p>There is only so much gear they will design because it takes far more time to correctly make gear than furnature. Decorate if you want, fact of the matter is, Adventuring is and always has been the staple of this game.</p>

[Vortexelemental]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I may come off a bit rash in this post but some things just need to be said. Just because something in this game does not peek your personal interest, does not mean it's not a valid part of the game. If housing was a small part of the game, why is there so much furnature as quest rewards? It's been this way since launch. And now all of the newbie zones give you a ton of it. I get so many house items from the newbie zones i'm using spare broker slots for storage. Theres a whole crafting class dedicated to making furnature. Theres this thing called a city fair that travels to each city selling *gasp* FURNATURE! All your heritage quest items are house items or convert to them. So do your mounts. Every single event, rather it be holiday or just progression, they always give out lots of new furnature and clothing items. Yea it's not a valid part of the game... (/sarcasm) it may not be 100% MY gameplay style but it is there, perfectly valid, and catered to.</p></blockquote><p>The reason there's so much angst is because no one is happy with any of the changes lately, but instead of calling out SoE they passively agree with everything they are doing by continuing to pay and log in and allow those who twist this games goal to SC to continue and pay their way to content.</p>

[BaronJuJu]

<p>Very nice house. I for one am looking forward to setting it up. Thanks SOE!</p>

[Aneova]

<p>Part of you folks are missing something, this game that we all enjoy (we must enjoy some part of it less we wouldn't be paying for it). There are dozens of way to play not just 1 path to go down, 2 are obvious the adventurer or the Tradeskiller. Some folks only log in though JUST to decorate people's houses, some avoid every encounter just to explore the highest mountain or point in the zone. Again others just want to learn the history of the game and so they do every single quest they come across, or have the biggest libraries in all of Norrath (you know who you are Goddess of the Tome). Instead of complaining because it's not something you wanted, don't forget... they could have just raised your sub and said thank you for your time.</p>

[Te'ana]

<p>I adventure (including raiding), craft, and decorate houses. One of the truly nice features of this game is that adventuring is not the oly way to play. I have explored other options and have yet to find a game that equals or even comes near to EQ2's housing. That is the reason I will stay here until SOE pulls the plug. For me, and many many others, adventuring is not the only thing we care about.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I adventure (including raiding), craft, and decorate houses. One of the truly nice features of this game is that adventuring is not the oly way to play. I have explored other options and have yet to find a game that equals or even comes near to EQ2's housing. That is the reason I will stay here until SOE pulls the plug. For me, and many many others, adventuring is not the only thing we care about.</p></blockquote><p>I adventure (solo + group + raid). I craft. And I have decorated several houses. I started playing in 2005.So to everyone who thinks I am a house hating, anti-decorator, you are sorely mistaken, and do not understand why I am against this being a veteran reward. The second tradeskiller I levelled up was a carpenter, so I could outfit my 2 bedroom house in east freeport. Back then, houses were serious business, if you wanted to sell items, you had to be online, in your house, in a shopkeeper mode. Having a nice house when people arrived to buy stuff made a statement. I racked up a lot of logged in hours during that time, and the idling habit has kind of stuck!But since then, the effective value (note: effective does not mean emotional) and usage of player housing has been diminished severely. Upgrading the broker system to not require players to be online in their house significantly reduced the usage of player housing. Guild halls was a huge killer of player house usage, especially due to the combination of fast call reuse and comprehensive ammenties that player housing can not even come close to matching.So what is the crag, in the scheme of things? Just another player house. It will be a novel new thing for a few moments, that curious players will check out. But it will soon become just another house, the same old same old, same boring view, that the majority of players will use no more than the housing in Halas, Neriak, Freeport, Qeynos or Gorowyn, which is rarely in the scheme of things. Sure, some people live their lives in player housing, but they are statistically insignificant.That is why I state that adding the crag into EQ2 is a good thing, better housing is better for the game. But the manner of which the crag is being added is poor, because it is a slap in the face to the significant majority of players, who will barely care for, and rarely use the reward for players with seven years of account age.The problem would easily be resolved, if SOE made the 7yr reward a choice between two or three desirable options, or simply made the premier reward item something more appealing to adventurers (the majority of players), and add the crag via quest line, event tokens, or a static purchase value.And as I have stated before, it is all but inevitable that even bigger and better housing will be added in the future, probably on the marketplace (all but a given...). People who enjoy decorating would go crazy for a big player house with a New Tunarian theme, or an Isle of Mara theme... And when this happens, the Mistmoore Crag will be a worthless, forgotten reward that has as much value as that 3 month tombstone - none.So when a minority of players clamor for a reward that will make them feel like a recognised aspect of EQ2 playstyle, I see a bunch of people who are failing to consider the future, the present, and the majority of people playing the same game as them.</p>

[Iskandar]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>a worthless, forgotten reward that has as much value as that 3 month tombstone - none.</p></blockquote><p>Hey! My Necro has a whole graveyard made with those. You... you... house hater! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Drusi]

<p>I want to know where all of these majority/minority statistics are coming from that people keep throwing around to try to prove their points. I'm just not convinced that the majority of 7 year veterans dislike the reward. The posts from the people who dislike it and/or are against it seem to be coming from the same three or four people who pounce on everyone joining in to post that they are thrilled with the house and are really looking forward to it.</p><p>And that's not even mentioning the players who aren't close to getting the reward who are clamoring to be allowed to pay real money for it.</p><p>Seems to me like the players enthusiastic about the house are actually in the majority, at least here in the forums, whether or not they also be decorators, crafters, adventurers PvPers, roleplayers, etc..</p><p>I hope they do introduce more alternate housing in the future. If they do, it's not going to diminish this reward one bit unless they make an alternate that is identical to the reward. If the Crag house is the most fitting for a particular character, than that character will live there regardless of whatever comes out elsewhere. It wouldn't make any sense to randomly move a character to New Tunaria or Mara or Lavastorm or wherever if the best house for that character is in Loping Plains.</p><p>I'm not a major decorator, though I do enjoy it and make various stabs at it, but I am a roleplayer, and this Crag house will open up many new options regardless of whatever other houses come out later.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I want to know where all of these majority/minority statistics are coming from that people keep throwing around to try to prove their points. I'm just not convinced that the majority of 7 year veterans dislike the reward. The posts from the people who dislike it and/or are against it seem to be coming from the same three or four people who pounce on everyone joining in to post that they are thrilled with the house and are really looking forward to it.</p><p>And that's not even mentioning the players who aren't close to getting the reward who are clamoring to be allowed to pay real money for it.</p><p>Seems to me like the players enthusiastic about the house are actually in the majority, at least here in the forums, whether or not they also be decorators, crafters, adventurers PvPers, roleplayers, etc..</p><p>I hope they do introduce more alternate housing in the future. If they do, it's not going to diminish this reward one bit unless they make an alternate that is identical to the reward. If the Crag house is the most fitting for a particular character, than that character will live there regardless of whatever comes out elsewhere. It wouldn't make any sense to randomly move a character to New Tunaria or Mara or Lavastorm or wherever if the best house for that character is in Loping Plains.</p><p>I'm not a major decorator, though I do enjoy it and make various stabs at it, but I am a roleplayer, and this Crag house will open up many new options regardless of whatever other houses come out later.</p></blockquote><p>"That other site" is loaded with them, and most are banned from posting here since they don't just blindly follow SoE without questioning it.</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>Drusi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The posts from the people who dislike it and/or are against it seem to be coming from the same three or four people who pounce on everyone joining in to post that they are thrilled with the house and are really looking forward to it.</p><p>And that's not even mentioning the players who aren't close to getting the reward who are clamoring to be allowed to pay real money for it.</p></blockquote><p>I guess we all just see what we want /shrug I see the I like it posts coming from the same three or four people who pounce on everyone joining in to post that they are not thrilled with the house and are not really looking foward to it.</p><p>Heck there are those in this thread and the other that WERE thrilled then went to test and after seeing it first hand became disenchanted...</p><p>Ripped wallpaper... prelaid decorations...</p><p>And those that are not impressed aren't even asking for it to be scrapped just asking for something else to go with it. YOu know, just like every other year? However the ones for it seem to be adamently against the addition of anything to the Vet reward.. for alot of them it is the house or nothing. It simply can't be the house and "something".</p>

[Sar]

<p>There should be another option for those not into housing, like a nice mount or something and only allow to claim one or the other. Either way I am impressed so far.</p><p>I have a question though, if I purchase game time for the next year will that count on my account age now? I am about a year behind just approaching the 6year mark.</p>

[Explisit]

<p>Just pay to have someone who loves to decorate houses im sure someone will do it.</p><p>10plat per day ill do it , covers cost of getting items and time. hehe</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Explisit@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just pay to have someone who loves to decorate houses im sure someone will do it.</p><p>10plat per day ill do it , covers cost of getting items and time. hehe</p></blockquote><p>What fdoes this have to do with anything?</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I may come off a bit rash in this post but some things just need to be said. Just because something in this game does not peek your personal interest, does not mean it's not a valid part of the game. If housing was a small part of the game, why is there so much furnature as quest rewards? It's been this way since launch. And now all of the newbie zones give you a ton of it. I get so many house items from the newbie zones i'm using spare broker slots for storage. Theres a whole crafting class dedicated to making furnature. Theres this thing called a city fair that travels to each city selling *gasp* FURNATURE! All your heritage quest items are house items or convert to them. So do your mounts. Every single event, rather it be holiday or just progression, they always give out lots of new furnature and clothing items. Yea it's not a valid part of the game... (/sarcasm) it may not be 100% MY gameplay style but it is there, perfectly valid, and catered to.</p></blockquote><p>There is only so much gear they will design because it takes far more time to correctly make gear than furnature. Decorate if you want, fact of the matter is, Adventuring is and always has been the staple of this game.</p></blockquote><p>Yes adventuring is the largest of course. no doubt. It's also the backbone behind other play styles (Soloing, Grouping, Raiding, exc). Heck adventuring even plays a part in tradeskilling at the higher levels because you travel through the moors, TSF, and mara trying to avoid mobs or fighting them. You wont hear any objections from me. Like i said in my post previous to this one is every play style is perfectly valid. I may not be a PvP fan but i acknoledge the fact it's a play style this game caters to and there are many who come to play this game sctrictly for it.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I may come off a bit rash in this post but some things just need to be said. Just because something in this game does not peek your personal interest, does not mean it's not a valid part of the game. If housing was a small part of the game, why is there so much furnature as quest rewards? It's been this way since launch. And now all of the newbie zones give you a ton of it. I get so many house items from the newbie zones i'm using spare broker slots for storage. Theres a whole crafting class dedicated to making furnature. Theres this thing called a city fair that travels to each city selling *gasp* FURNATURE! All your heritage quest items are house items or convert to them. So do your mounts. Every single event, rather it be holiday or just progression, they always give out lots of new furnature and clothing items. Yea it's not a valid part of the game... (/sarcasm) it may not be 100% MY gameplay style but it is there, perfectly valid, and catered to.</p></blockquote><p>There is only so much gear they will design because it takes far more time to correctly make gear than furnature. Decorate if you want, fact of the matter is, Adventuring is and always has been the staple of this game.</p></blockquote><p>Yes adventuring is the largest of course. no doubt. It's also the backbone behind other play styles (Soloing, Grouping, Raiding, exc). You wont hear any objections from me. Like i said in my post previous to this one is every play style is perfectly valid. I may not be a PvP fan but i acknoledge the fact it's a play style this game caters to and there are many who come to play this game sctrictly for it.</p></blockquote><p>Thing is, thats fine if they want to be doing that, I had my ex-guildy decorate my house because she was bored. That being said, cater to the majority and backbone of the game, not a smaller portion, especially for a 7 year commitment reward.</p>

[Te'ana]

<p>I don't believe there won't be additional items included with the house.  Just <a href="http://everquest2.com/community/veteran_rewards" target="_blank">look at what was given out in the past</a>.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>I have made my feelings on the house very clear in my previous posts.</p><p>I do appreciate being given something that is technically "free" but I can't help but feel disapointment at the fact that the "free" thing doesn't cater to questing / leveling / utility etc.</p><p>As I have also mentioned in another post, if I could have a way of selling my crag estate in game for plats, I totally would!  I'm not going to use it so someone who actually likes house decorating should!</p><p>Like with a lot of people, I only use my 2 room appartment to drop house items (never organized, just dropped) and for broker slots and a place for my AA mirror to live.</p><p>If the house could have a clicky buff for XP or something added to it, that would make it less lame IMO.  Ages ago when the gods were first introduced, there were several live events that give rewards that had clicky buffs againt cold / heat damage etc so the mechanic IS in game.</p>

[mysticalone]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have made my feelings on the house very clear in my previous posts.</p><p>I do appreciate being given something that is technically "free" but I can't help but feel disapointment at the fact that the "free" thing doesn't cater to questing / leveling / utility etc.</p><p>As I have also mentioned in another post, if I could have a way of selling my crag estate in game for plats, I totally would!  I'm not going to use it so someone who actually likes house decorating should!</p><p>Like with a lot of people, I only use my 2 room appartment to drop house items (never organized, just dropped) and for broker slots and a place for my AA mirror to live.</p><p>If the house could have a clicky buff for XP or something added to it, that would make it less lame IMO.  Ages ago when the gods were first introduced, there were several live events that give rewards that had clicky buffs againt cold / heat damage etc so the mechanic IS in game.</p></blockquote><p>more buffs to add to our other bazzilion buffs? meh no thanks I will take the house I can get a buff anyday.    The house is original everything else your asking for has been done ad nauseum why would you want more xp potions I am drowning in xp potions I have so many of them and I never used them.  We have yet to be given anything even close to this ever and I am in one of the most active guilds on our server and those who are eligeable for this gift are pretty excited to be honest.    The rest wish they were here long enough to be eligeable this is enough to tell me that soe did a good thing this time hehe.</p>

[shadowgate]

<p>I think the bottom line is that if they give something that is truly helpful for adventuring/raiding they will have a HUGE firestorm of responses about those that can't get it and it giving "unfair advantage...". Look at how much hate the 10% discount crate has recieved from those without it. They are doing a balancing act of giving something "cool" without it having an unbalancing effect on the game.</p><p>Editted for spelling</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have made my feelings on the house very clear in my previous posts.</p><p>I do appreciate being given something that is technically "free" but I can't help but feel disapointment at the fact that the "free" thing doesn't cater to questing / leveling / utility etc.</p><p>As I have also mentioned in another post, if I could have a way of selling my crag estate in game for plats, I totally would!  I'm not going to use it so someone who actually likes house decorating should!</p><p>Like with a lot of people, I only use my 2 room appartment to drop house items (never organized, just dropped) and for broker slots and a place for my AA mirror to live.</p><p>If the house could have a clicky buff for XP or something added to it, that would make it less lame IMO.  Ages ago when the gods were first introduced, there were several live events that give rewards that had clicky buffs againt cold / heat damage etc so the mechanic IS in game.</p></blockquote><p>more buffs to add to our other bazzilion buffs? meh no thanks I will take the house I can get a buff anyday.    The house is original everything else your asking for has been done ad nauseum why would you want more xp potions I am drowning in xp potions I have so many of them and I never used them.  We have yet to be given anything even close to this ever and I am in one of the most active guilds on our server and those who are eligeable for this gift are pretty excited to be honest.    The rest wish they were here long enough to be eligeable this is enough to tell me that soe did a good thing this time hehe.</p></blockquote><p>The house is original? I mean have you been to MMIS and Mistmore castle, it's basically copy and paste.</p>

[Looker1010]

<p>I read several pages of comments and found none with my take on things. I find the house garish at best; too busy, with too many patterns and colors all jammed together.</p><p>No, I'm not a big decorator. I got that out of my system years ago in Ultima Online.</p><p>I may get one for the additional storage but I'm not thrilled with this reward. However, to all of you who are into decorating, have fun with it!</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Looker1010 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I read several pages of comments and found none with my take on things. I find the house garish at best; too busy, with too many patterns and colors all jammed together.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, I take it you never grouped in Mistmoore Castle, nor raided in MMIS! heh</p><p>You'll have to discuss your dislikes of the castle by taking it up with Mayong Mistmoore who designed and built it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>shadowgate wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Look at how much hate the 10% discount crate has recieved from those without it.</p></blockquote><p>hmmmmm I must have missed that veteran gift/reward. The Treasure Horde is a trunk that reduced coin upkeep by 25%. The Veteran's display case reduced broker fee by 50%. Billy shrinks caster by 40%.</p><p>I had to read the list posted by Soe, cause I don't remember much about most all of the veteran items. But then most all of the 60 plus months I qualify for, are still sitting in /claim. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Keikoku]

<p>So, has it been confirmed of the 600 item limit?</p>

[mysticalone]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mysticalone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have made my feelings on the house very clear in my previous posts.</p><p>I do appreciate being given something that is technically "free" but I can't help but feel disapointment at the fact that the "free" thing doesn't cater to questing / leveling / utility etc.</p><p>As I have also mentioned in another post, if I could have a way of selling my crag estate in game for plats, I totally would!  I'm not going to use it so someone who actually likes house decorating should!</p><p>Like with a lot of people, I only use my 2 room appartment to drop house items (never organized, just dropped) and for broker slots and a place for my AA mirror to live.</p><p>If the house could have a clicky buff for XP or something added to it, that would make it less lame IMO.  Ages ago when the gods were first introduced, there were several live events that give rewards that had clicky buffs againt cold / heat damage etc so the mechanic IS in game.</p></blockquote><p>more buffs to add to our other bazzilion buffs? meh no thanks I will take the house I can get a buff anyday.    The house is original everything else your asking for has been done ad nauseum why would you want more xp potions I am drowning in xp potions I have so many of them and I never used them.  We have yet to be given anything even close to this ever and I am in one of the most active guilds on our server and those who are eligeable for this gift are pretty excited to be honest.    The rest wish they were here long enough to be eligeable this is enough to tell me that soe did a good thing this time hehe.</p></blockquote><p>The house is original? I mean have you been to MMIS and Mistmore castle, it's basically copy and paste.</p></blockquote><p>Original idea as in never done it before unlike potions and buffs etc . We haven't gotten a free house yet lol.   I see a lot of people asking for more buffs and potions.  I am drowning in potions and I think there is tons of consumable buffs around that override each other.   I dont have a free house yet though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   The only "free" houses  around are from the LON packs and some collector items just recently given to those who attended fan fair and paid platinum.   I know what the house is a copy of lol but its still an original idea for a vet gift <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ashai]

<p>I like this vet reward and I am very much looking forward to burying myself in decorating it.  I am anticipating a lot of creative and beautiful screenshot posts in the Norrathian Homeshow forum <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[thesiren]

<p>Is Sony going to give any belated bonus game time with Sentinel's Fate to eat up that 35 days we still have to wait for the new estate?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask, hehe.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Doesn't it make you glad you played 7 years to get it?!</p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Why are you not going to claim it?</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Why are you not going to claim it?</p></blockquote><p>I'm not bothering with it as I just don't like the house and still can't see how this is a "reward" for playing for so long.</p><p>I'm still using my 2 room appartment from when I first started the game as housing means that little to me.  I have all the broker slots I will ever need so that makes no difference to me. My appartment is actually in a mess as I usually just zone in to drop quest reward items in a pile and then leave again lol!</p><p>As it stands, I do think as far as possible vet rewards go, this is really lame.  I was really hoping for something that actually offered some kind of utility.  The vet call was the best one ever when it worked lol.</p><p>Please don't feel that I'm dismissing anyone elses choices in game, far from it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Thats why I was asking about ways to /gift the house to people that might actually like it.  I know some of my guildies would rip my arm off to get it and I want to be generous lol!</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Doesn't it make you glad you played 7 years to get it?!</p></blockquote><p>/sarcasm on</p><p>Oh yes, I'm walking on sunshine now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Why are you not going to claim it?</p></blockquote><p>I'm not bothering with it as I just don't like the house and still can't see how this is a "reward" for playing for so long.</p><p>I'm still using my 2 room appartment from when I first started the game as housing means that little to me.  I have all the broker slots I will ever need so that makes no difference to me. My appartment is actually in a mess as I usually just zone in to drop quest reward items in a pile and then leave again lol!</p><p>As it stands, I do think as far as possible vet rewards go, this is really lame.  I was really hoping for something that actually offered some kind of utility.  The vet call was the best one ever when it worked lol.</p><p>Please don't feel that I'm dismissing anyone elses choices in game, far from it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />  Thats why I was asking about ways to /gift the house to people that might actually like it.  I know some of my guildies would rip my arm off to get it and I want to be generous lol!</p></blockquote><p>Why stop at the house? Why not have the ability to re-gift anything you receive that is not transferrable. How about re-gifting a fabled item. Or if you just want to stick to veteran's rewards, I'd love to be able to re-gift that tombstone or pirate flag or that 40 slot sales crate or any other vet reward I don't like.</p><p>Ya, don't think I'm putting down anyone's choices. Just want the ability to get rid of these items I'm not going to /claim anyway. Re-gifting - the modern way of getting rid of something you don't like; give it to someone else and call it "generous." <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>

[RingleToo]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>jjantis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well now the estate is on live I can confirm the following...  I will not be claiming it, please give me a way to "give" the house to someone who will appreciate it.</p></blockquote><p>Why are you not going to claim it?</p></blockquote><p>I'm not bothering with it as I just don't like the house and still can't see how this is a "reward" for playing for so long.</p><p>I'm still using my 2 room appartment from when I first started the game as housing means that little to me.  I have all the broker slots I will ever need so that makes no difference to me. My appartment is actually in a mess as I usually just zone in to drop quest reward items in a pile and then leave again lol!</p><p>As it stands, I do think as far as possible vet rewards go, this is really lame.  I was really hoping for something that actually offered some kind of utility.  The vet call was the best one ever when it worked lol.</p><p>Please don't feel that I'm dismissing anyone elses choices in game, far from it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />  Thats why I was asking about ways to /gift the house to people that might actually like it.  I know some of my guildies would rip my arm off to get it and I want to be generous lol!</p></blockquote><p>Like you, I still have my original housing from the start. It's nice to have housing, gives me some place to put all my house items and plushies (love collecting plushies). But I'm not much into decorating - pretty much I just throw stuff up on the walls. So, this is probably something I won't use if only because I'm too lazy to throw everything up on the walls again.</p><p>Still, it's free, and it's not like there aren't other vet rewards I haven't used. And there are a lot of people who would rip my arm off to get this lol I don't see the need to be able to "re-gift" it, though. Anyone who plays the game long enough will eventually get it, and if they aren't going to play the game long enough, they don't need it. It' is a reward for staying with the game afterall. Gives them something to look forward to <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Bmitchell64]

<p>The big house sounds nice and I will probably check out other folks places since I am only going on five years (would have been six, but the first year for EQ2 was while I was playing reality in Iraq).  I would sure like to see some other bennies for folks like me that have been on for five or more years.  I think a bonus like a legendary/fabled weapon or a horse/other creature with 65-70%+ and some good attribute boosts.  This would also balance out the increased attention EQ2 is now giving to EQ2X players.  Looking forward to seeing how folks decorate; until then I will be satfisfied with my magical mansion (free rent). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Elquinjena]

<p>thank you dev team for the house...</p><p>now when can I have it? =D</p><p>* bright light appears above her head..and she desides to look*</p><p>mmmm my book says I am 6 years 11 months and 1 day old..so..sigh...29? days more I must wait</p>

[Katz]

<p>I toured this today and wow.  Sadly I have 4 more years to wait but its a nice reward. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Katz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I toured this today and wow.  Sadly I have 4 more years to wait but its a nice reward. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Don't worry. Before that time is up, you will be able to get much better player housing via alternate means. Then when you hit the 7 year mark, you will not care about the crag.</p>

[swedago]

<p><cite>Bmitchell64 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The big house sounds nice and I will probably check out other folks places since I am only going on five years (would have been six, but the first year for EQ2 was while I was playing reality in Iraq).  I would sure like to see some other bennies for folks like me that have been on for five or more years.  I think a bonus like a legendary/fabled weapon or a horse/other creature with 65-70%+ and some good attribute boosts.  This would also balance out the increased attention EQ2 is now giving to EQ2X players.  Looking forward to seeing how folks decorate; until then I will be satfisfied with my magical mansion (free rent). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I myself agree with you.  After playing since NOV 2004, and still live in the 5sp house on Stonestair Byway with 5 level 90s, and 7 80th+ toons, this house may never be claimed.</p><p>1) What happened to the titles we received for the first few yearly rewards? Suffix title would be nice like:</p><p>The Immortal, The Dauntless, The Esteemed, The Royal, or even The Martyr for playing so long =)</p><p>Maybe a special Prefix title like:</p><p>Avatar, Demi-God, Demonic (evil) / Angelic (good), Conquerer, Usurper, or Pillager.</p><p>2) Perhaps 2 hour (200%) AA / XP/ Tradeskill XP potions (x3) (They sell them after all in Station Market)</p><p>3) Special Appearance Weapon(s) and/or Armor</p><p>4) Item that allows you to Call to a Special Dungeon that needs one 7 year player to enter.</p><p>5) Special Mount (75% move * Safefall * +300 HP/Power * In-combat mana/health regen * Flies as per DoV Expansion advertises)</p><p>I been paying for 3 accounts since eq1 (1999-2004), Station Pass since the launched it on all accounts) That is 39 USD per game + 39 USD per expansion x3 + 7 usd per adventure pack x3.  71 actual months of paying for all this and all I get is a house that I will never use?  Thanks.</p><p>The low hanging fruits that SoE sees are all going to eq2x...  New players that 90% of them will leave the game once they reach 50th level and have to start paying.  This draws veteran players the desire to go as well since no one is ever LFG anymore like it was 2 years ago.  Some try eq2x, come back to eq2 for a few, and they leave.  6 years of paying to be let down like this.  Congratulations.</p><p>To be honest I am one of many that if SoE does not get their act together on the veteran (valued customers.  I have platinum airline rewards in less time) side of things more of us will go. Seven years for a freakin house lol!</p>

[Soul Crusher]

<p>Was super happy to see that the 7th year vet rewards were coming out, and sadly noticed they changed the way accounts accrue time to paid time now, its a shame, living in florida and natural disasters, like hurricanes and flooding kind of screwed me out of a lot of months since 2004 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I also feel for people deployed to Afghanistan, Shame we were not able to accrue time to our accounts <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Indalecio@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was super happy to see that the 7th year vet rewards were coming out, and sadly noticed they changed the way accounts accrue time to paid time now, its a shame, living in florida and natural disasters, like hurricanes and flooding kind of screwed me out of a lot of months since 2004 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />. I also feel for people deployed to Afghanistan, Shame we were not able to accrue time to our accounts <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Kinda difficult to be credited for time on your account when you don't pay for that time, don't you think?</p><p>Now, if you decide to take a break from the game and not pay your account for let's say 6 months, then you come back and begin paying your account, but also paid for the past 6 months you missed, then yea, you should get the credit.</p><p>Then dealing with a bunch of natural disasters can be PITA, so I do feel for you. Make sure your insurance will cover payment for your gaming accounts during disasters, then you'll get the credit since your account is continued, whether you play or not. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Bmitchell64]

<p>How about giving bonus credit (one-time only) to those that transferred from EQ1 to EQ2?  Just a recommendation to consider.</p>

[Loviotor]

<p><cite>Bmitchell64 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How about giving bonus credit (one-time only) to those that transferred from EQ1 to EQ2?  Just a recommendation to consider.</p></blockquote><p>I concur with this.  I have over 11 years in EQ1, and have over 65 years entitled on my characters there... (Don't ask, long story).  However, I <strong>JUST</strong> let my subscription lapse a few days ago, reverting to the standard plan for EQ2 instead of the Station account, due to financial issues.</p>

[ShinGoku]

<p>In reference to my earlier posts, it turns out now they have toured it, none of my guildies actually want the house either!</p>

[Hecula]

<p><cite>Indalecio@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was super happy to see that the 7th year vet rewards were coming out, and sadly noticed they changed the way accounts accrue time to paid time now, its a shame, living in florida and natural disasters, like hurricanes and flooding kind of screwed me out of a lot of months since 2004 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />. I also feel for people deployed to Afghanistan, Shame we were not able to accrue time to our accounts <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm just curious how natrual disasters or being deployed to Afghanistan prevented anyone from keeping their account open. Really easy to set up autobilling for your account if you knew you were being deployed. And even after Katrina, my family down in Houma was able to get online shortly after the hurricane.</p>

[Bmitchell64]

<p><cite>Hecula wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Indalecio@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was super happy to see that the 7th year vet rewards were coming out, and sadly noticed they changed the way accounts accrue time to paid time now, its a shame, living in florida and natural disasters, like hurricanes and flooding kind of screwed me out of a lot of months since 2004 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />. I also feel for people deployed to Afghanistan, Shame we were not able to accrue time to our accounts <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm just curious how natrual disasters or being deployed to Afghanistan prevented anyone from keeping their account open. Really easy to set up autobilling for your account if you knew you were being deployed. And even after Katrina, my family down in Houma was able to get online shortly after the hurricane.</p></blockquote><p>So, recovering from a natural disaster or going to a combat zone is less important than EQ2 account maintenance???  The system is about money for SOE, but folks have a right to vent about how reality sets in and makes the EQ world less important. </p><p>In my case I was in Iraq when EQ2 first came out, so I missed the first year, even though I bought the game during my two week leave from having mortars and rockets fired at my base, (just didn't realize the immediate impact on my EQ2 life).  Well, I will just wait the extra year to get my 7-year mansion (just hope the world does not blow up before then).<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Bmitchell64]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In reference to my earlier posts, it turns out now they have toured it, none of my guildies actually want the house either!</p></blockquote><p>What were the negatives?  I can't tell much about it from the pictures; by the posts it seems like it is a lot of space but not much separation into individual areas.  Since it is free, there no reason to refuse (especially since EQ2/SOE are not going to give any options).  Maybe the concept folks thought this would be a big winner, but did not remember that people want more than a big cathedral-looking house.  I wish they would do something like giveing free residence to big mansions to the folks that have been on for five or more years and the character is 70 or higher.  (Yea, that is my senior character, but I already have a magical manor).</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Bmitchell64 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In reference to my earlier posts, it turns out now they have toured it, none of my guildies actually want the house either!</p></blockquote><p>What were the negatives?  I can't tell much about it from the pictures; by the posts it seems like it is a lot of space but not much separation into individual areas.  Since it is free, there no reason to refuse (especially since EQ2/SOE are not going to give any options).  Maybe the concept folks thought this would be a big winner, but did not remember that people want more than a big cathedral-looking house.  I wish they would do something like giveing free residence to big mansions to the folks that have been on for five or more years and the character is 70 or higher.  (Yea, that is my senior character, but I already have a magical manor).</p></blockquote><p>There are in fact, several areas that are separated in various ways. One way is the portal hall with doors on 3 sides. One leads to a round portal in which there are various areas off that. And of course, there is a balcony. Seven rooms is a lot of rooms - but these are HUGE rooms, not the tiny FP/Q/ etc. 7 room houses.</p><p>You can view it in person by going to SQ to a portal that is next to that flying ship inbetween the two Bayle street houses. I'm not sure where the portals are located in FP or if any in NH, Kelethin, Gorowyn or Neriak. Just click on the portal and select "tour".</p><p>It is HUGE.... and the ceiling has to be at least 30' tall! So lots of room for making your own city apartment slum, or secret tunnels, basement, attic full of ghosts, graveyards, haunted effect, rich society effect and on and on. When you zone out, you land right where you clicked on the portal.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sans-serif;">Is there an item limit to how much crap you can stuff into the Estate?</span></p>

[ShinGoku]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bmitchell64 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In reference to my earlier posts, it turns out now they have toured it, none of my guildies actually want the house either!</p></blockquote><p>What were the negatives?  I can't tell much about it from the pictures; by the posts it seems like it is a lot of space but not much separation into individual areas.  Since it is free, there no reason to refuse (especially since EQ2/SOE are not going to give any options).  Maybe the concept folks thought this would be a big winner, but did not remember that people want more than a big cathedral-looking house.  I wish they would do something like giveing free residence to big mansions to the folks that have been on for five or more years and the character is 70 or higher.  (Yea, that is my senior character, but I already have a magical manor).</p></blockquote><p>There are in fact, several areas that are separated in various ways. One way is the portal hall with doors on 3 sides. One leads to a round portal in which there are various areas off that. And of course, there is a balcony. Seven rooms is a lot of rooms - but these are HUGE rooms, not the tiny FP/Q/ etc. 7 room houses.</p><p>You can view it in person by going to SQ to a portal that is next to that flying ship inbetween the two Bayle street houses. I'm not sure where the portals are located in FP or if any in NH, Kelethin, Gorowyn or Neriak. Just click on the portal and select "tour".</p><p>It is HUGE.... and the ceiling has to be at least 30' tall! So lots of room for making your own city apartment slum, or secret tunnels, basement, attic full of ghosts, graveyards, haunted effect, rich society effect and on and on. When you zone out, you land right where you clicked on the portal.</p></blockquote><p>Yes its huge, a little too huge in my opinion.</p><p>I take your point about creating your own space but I prefer my make believe to involve killing gnolls and pysically (well in game lol) going out and doing things that both myself and my friends can enjoy.  By this I mean something that actually has a point to it and isn't just a make believe thing.</p><p>When I said too big, it is huuuuuuge but what is the point to having that space when you can simply pop to your GH and use the amenities etc there?  You can't place THOSE in your house etc.</p><p>On a side note, I tried to post using the phrase "n i p" to your GH, apparently thats a naughty word now lol</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bmitchell64 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ShinGoku wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In reference to my earlier posts, it turns out now they have toured it, none of my guildies actually want the house either!</p></blockquote><p>What were the negatives?  I can't tell much about it from the pictures; by the posts it seems like it is a lot of space but not much separation into individual areas.  Since it is free, there no reason to refuse (especially since EQ2/SOE are not going to give any options).  Maybe the concept folks thought this would be a big winner, but did not remember that people want more than a big cathedral-looking house.  I wish they would do something like giveing free residence to big mansions to the folks that have been on for five or more years and the character is 70 or higher.  (Yea, that is my senior character, but I already have a magical manor).</p></blockquote><p>There are in fact, several areas that are separated in various ways. One way is the portal hall with doors on 3 sides. One leads to a round portal in which there are various areas off that. And of course, there is a balcony. Seven rooms is a lot of rooms - but these are HUGE rooms, not the tiny FP/Q/ etc. 7 room houses.</p><p>You can view it in person by going to SQ to a portal that is next to that flying ship inbetween the two Bayle street houses. I'm not sure where the portals are located in FP or if any in NH, Kelethin, Gorowyn or Neriak. Just click on the portal and select "tour".</p><p>It is HUGE.... and the ceiling has to be at least 30' tall! So lots of room for making your own city apartment slum, or secret tunnels, basement, attic full of ghosts, graveyards, haunted effect, rich society effect and on and on. When you zone out, you land right where you clicked on the portal.</p></blockquote><p>Yes its huge, a little too huge in my opinion.</p><p>I take your point about creating your own space but I prefer my make believe to involve killing gnolls and pysically (well in game lol) going out and doing things that both myself and my friends can enjoy.  By this I mean something that actually has a point to it and isn't just a make believe thing.</p><p>When I said too big, it is huuuuuuge but what is the point to having that space when you can simply pop to your GH and use the amenities etc there?  You can't place THOSE in your house etc.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, for some people like you and I, it is a bit much. However, for others, it's an awesome canvas waiting to be decorated using all sorts of ideas. With the layout program, it's now possible to twist, turn, angle every piece of house type item into all sorts of scenery.</p><p>But like you, I tend to be more pragmatic. I use my house for the mirror mostly and for broker useage. I use to go there frequently for transportation goodies, but with everything changed with the bells, druid/spires - there is really no need to go to the house except for the mirror.</p><p>I have one apt decorated - kinda - a 2 room EFP restaurant. Never did get around to figuring out what to do with the "new" room attached to it. Most of my characters live in the starter apt. Only one has the 6 roomer in SQ on Bayle Street, but it's hardly decorated. Just stuff put here and there, just in case I ever do decide I want to do something with it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Yet, I can still admire the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=481028" target="_blank">talents of people</a> who <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=479278" target="_blank">make something awesome</a> out of the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=474447" target="_blank">typical house items </a>supplied by SoE.</p>

[Alexandrea]

<p>I'm not going to pretend and say I read all 16 pages of this thread but I did a search and saw nothing come up under "days counted", or "account age".</p><p>I started with EQ2 basically on its release day,  it says I have 2351 days but when you scroll over it, it says 6 years, 5 months and 4 days.  This is with the bonus of Flames, Sky, Faydwer and Kunark.  I am wondering if I have to wait over 6 months then for this house then?  If I am understanding this right...maybe I'm not.</p><p>I happen to be that small minority who loves decorating so I'm bummed about waiting soooooo long if I have to wait until "7 Years".  Odds are I'll leave and head to RIFTS by then but if I can stand the wait does my canceling the account for a few months slow the days down?  Is there some bonus days for Sentinel's Fate?  I have that expansion but no added days for it.  Curious when some others are eligible for this compared to me.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Happy Halloween all.</p>

[Te'ana]

<p>As I understand it, your time is reduced by any days you did not pay for the account, even if you subbed on day one.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As I understand it, your time is reduced by any days you did not pay for the account, even if you subbed on day one.</p></blockquote><p>I took a 2 year vacation after the game's first launch because it put me to sleep a lot. When i reinstated my account it was much better and i was credited for my time away strangely enough. So i'm not sure if that is the case. Or perhaps i got some rare bug that gave me the unused time. I should be getting the 7 year house a few weeks from now.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As I understand it, your time is reduced by any days you did not pay for the account, even if you subbed on day one.</p></blockquote><p>I took a 2 year vacation after the game's first launch because it put me to sleep a lot. When i reinstated my account it was much better and i was credited for my time away strangely enough. So i'm not sure if that is the case. Or perhaps i got some rare bug that gave me the unused time. I should be getting the 7 year house a few weeks from now.</p></blockquote><p>It all depends on when you did not pay.  A lot of people that claim to have quit but still are fully vested seemed to have quit in the first years.  The veteran status was always supposed to be for time PAID but something obviously was not working correctly.  So they eventually fixed it, leaving those that benefitted from it as they were but all future people that unsub were not credited for the time they didn't pay for.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As I understand it, your time is reduced by any days you did not pay for the account, even if you subbed on day one.</p></blockquote><p>I took a 2 year vacation after the game's first launch because it put me to sleep a lot. When i reinstated my account it was much better and i was credited for my time away strangely enough. So i'm not sure if that is the case. Or perhaps i got some rare bug that gave me the unused time. I should be getting the 7 year house a few weeks from now.</p></blockquote><p>It all depends on when you did not pay.  A lot of people that claim to have quit but still are fully vested seemed to have quit in the first years.  The veteran status was always supposed to be for time PAID but something obviously was not working correctly.  So they eventually fixed it, leaving those that benefitted from it as they were but all future people that unsub were not credited for the time they didn't pay for.</p></blockquote><p>Ah ok that explains it. thx</p>

[CorpseGoddess]

<p><cite>Cynith@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was really hoping for something more like the Unrest estate or the haunted mansion look (without all the cobwebs)</p><p>The castle is - well . . . at least I can say I'm not so disappointed now that I'm only just  hitting six years.</p><p>Guess I can only hope that they'll put the unrest/haunted type housing on SC sometime in the future.</p><p>Never thought I'd say that.</p></blockquote><p>I have to say I agree.  I want that LP house SO BADLY.  The Mistmoore one is cool, but it's too---clean.  And bright.  I want dark and cobwebby and spooky kthxbai.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Alexandrea]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As I understand it, your time is reduced by any days you did not pay for the account, even if you subbed on day one.</p></blockquote><p>I took a 2 year vacation after the game's first launch because it put me to sleep a lot. When i reinstated my account it was much better and i was credited for my time away strangely enough. So i'm not sure if that is the case. Or perhaps i got some rare bug that gave me the unused time. I should be getting the 7 year house a few weeks from now.</p></blockquote><p>It all depends on when you did not pay.  A lot of people that claim to have quit but still are fully vested seemed to have quit in the first years.  The veteran status was always supposed to be for time PAID but something obviously was not working correctly.  So they eventually fixed it, leaving those that benefitted from it as they were but all future people that unsub were not credited for the time they didn't pay for.</p></blockquote><p>Ahh yes that might be it. I know very few people who have played since day 1 like me who have not over the course of the game, taken a break at one time or another.  I have twice, after the first year and then again last year for about six months (about exactly how much time I am missing).  Sad really.  This game has so become about the RL cash at this point with the "marketplace" and such.  Maybe now is a good time to retire for the third and last time, sucks really....I was so looking forward to decorating that house but it's not worth a six month subscription price and wait.</p>

[Qetesh]

<p>I love the whole idea of the veteran "estate", and can hardly wait until it comes available for me and my characters. My only question is, what is this mysterious contract? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Not sure I am ready to sign away my soul just yet, LOL!! Even if you aren't into decorating...this is an awesome and generous gift. I love decorating though, and will sure enjoy seeing what I can do with this new home.</p>

[HaliLee]

<p>I went through about the first 7 or so pages, but that's as far as I got. So I am also at 6 yrs 6 months and recently signed up for the 12 month subscription. So am I to understand that they will not take that into consideration? From what I understood, they used to consider time paid in the past.</p>

[Senya]

<p>No.  You don't earn vet time for time paid in advance.  At least not anymore.  I've read that once upon a time you used to, but for whatever reason that was changed.  You'll get your house in 6 months if your account is 6years 6months now.</p>

[HaliLee]

<p>THank you Senya. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 6 months seems sooo far away! LOL</p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>HaliLee wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>THank you Senya. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> 6 months seems sooo far away! LOL</p></blockquote><p>if it helps I have 3 years 8 months to wait.</p>

[Palleon]

<p>10 days to go!! Come on!!</p><p>I have lots of plans for it, and have been practicing different layouts in my New Halas house. I now have stacks of Black Marble walls and floors waiting to move in <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Kaian]

<p>Has anyone else noticed the peculiarity in the accounts with the number of days vs. the time in years/months/days?</p><p>7 years in days is 2555 (7 x 365 days).</p><p>I currently have 2542 days on my account.  Now, by all rights, I should be able to expect to claim my Crag Estate in 13 days, right?</p><p>WRONG.</p><p>When I mouseover the days, it converts them to 6 years, 11 months and 11 days - i.e. 19 days to go (or possibly 20, who knows with that system).</p><p>Somewhere, 6 days have gone walkabout.</p><p>Even if we were including leap years - there's only been 2 leap years during that time ... so at best, they've still lost 4 days somewhere!</p><p>It's not just me.  The same thing is showing on all my eligible guildie's accounts.</p><p>Not a great big problem as problems go.  At worst, we all wait another week. And I have time to get more grotto items before I claim my grand estate.  But still.  Hmm.</p>

[Senya]

<p>I *think* you'll be able to claim it when your account age is 2,555 days.  <em>If I recall correctly</em> there was some kind of explanation for the 2 totals not matching.  I believe they adjust your account age in days to make the bonus from expansion time actually equal a full year instead of just 360 days.</p><p>Don't quote me on that, but I *think* that's what I'd read somewhere.</p>

[Kaian]

<p>Aww thanks Senya.  Guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks, mm?  *grins*</p>

[Bratface]

<p>I got mine today, now I am curious if I can move out to another house and still be able to live in the Crag later? </p><p>I moved there with a toon but not sure I want that toon there, but I don't want to lose the ability to live there just because I am not ready for it yet.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Bratface wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I got mine today, now I am curious if I can move out to another house and still be able to live in the Crag later?</p></blockquote><p>Yes.</p><p>You will also be able to freely switch your Crag from Qeynos to Freeport and back and not lose your rights to the house.</p>

[Bratface]

<p>Thanks, I feel much better now!</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Bratface wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I got mine today, now I am curious if I can move out to another house and still be able to live in the Crag later? </p><p>I moved there with a toon but not sure I want that toon there, but I don't want to lose the ability to live there just because I am not ready for it yet.</p></blockquote><p>You got the 7 year reward today?  Funny that I started day 1 and have not had a day lapse and dont have mine yet...</p>

[Maisland]

<p>I just discovered the Mistmoore Crags Estate by accident while attending the Freeport city festival.</p><p>From what I can tell, this estate is located <em><strong>only</strong></em> in Freeport or Qeynos... and as I have moved all my "good" characters to New Halas or Kelethin and all my "evil" characters to Neriak, I can only say that I am disappointed.  I have no intention of moving <strong><em>any</em></strong> of my characters back to either Freeport or Qeynos (not even for a free house), which means that this veterans' reward is worthless to me.</p><p>How about making a portal to it in each city and not just in the two original towns?</p>

[Maisland]

<p><cite>Cyliena@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>arieste wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry, but making people go out of their way to run to a house that's in an inconvenient zone just isn't that good of a reward.  </p><p>The place itself is beautiful of course.  And I'm sure those that love to decorate will enjoy.  </p><p>But for sake of practicality, it needs something more:</p><p>1.  Call to House - if you're going to make it in an inconvenient location, give me a way to get there from anywhere.  I don't want to run through (or load) several zones to get there.</p><p>OR - ability to bind the zone in to this to any housing location - i.e. if i'm currently living in East Freeport, allow me to zone in to this thing from the same door.  Or even from my current house - this could be like country estate.</p><p>2.  Amenities - if you're going to make move away from all the amenities I have beside my current house, this should have a mender, signet peddler, broker and junk buyer inside. </p><p>3.  Rent-free part is awesome.  Give us the option of making our own house rent-free instead.  For those that don't want to move to an inconvenient location - as in, separate the rent-free piece form this house and make it applicable to one house per character or whatever.</p><p>It's great to have a beautiful rent free house.  It's not so good to have it way out of the way, where it's not convenient to get to or to do my other business.  It shouldn't be just a decorator's toy.  For those of us who actually do stuff in game other than decorate houses, it should be functional.</p></blockquote><p>The home is accessed from South Freeport or South Qeynos. How is that more out of the way than normal?</p></blockquote><p>None of my characters live in either of those towns.  I almost never even visit them.  I hate Freeport and my dislike of Qeynos is only slightly less.  That places this housing in a VERY out of the way location.</p>