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Bunji

09-30-2010, 04:11 PM

We will be switching Test Copy to PvP in the near future, most likely after tonight's update. It will stay PvP through the weekend to allow players some time to check out these upcoming PvP changes which are part of the next game update:PvP MERCHANTSThe Sister of War (Battleground) and Scion of War (Open PvP) armor merchant will now display all wearable armor within your level range. PvP ITEMSNovice of Discord set bonuses are now No Modify and the ward regenerates for less each round.“Mutilate” and “Mangle” will now last the full 10 second duration each proc and will continue to stack with similar effects from different caster’s. PvP ABILITIESToughness has been changed to 30% damage reduction at max skill and will continue to provide PvP Critical Mitigation in the following ranges:<ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">15% starting at 10. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">30% starting at 70. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">45% starting at 80 </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">60% at level 90. </li></ul> The skill cost to reach max Toughness has also increased by 50% at all tiers. BATTLEGROUNDSSeason 2 begins! New weapons and accessories are available via the Sisters of War. A huge change for season 2 is the consolidation of the Ganak, Gears and Smuggler’s tokens into a single Battleground Token. The Sisters of War have each taken the duty of exchanging your old token at a 1:1 ratio. In addition, the items previously sold for multiple currencies are now priced to accept the new Battleground Token. The Scions of Discord have taken over the duties from the various battleground faction representatives and will now have players complete battle specific challenges, once per day. Players may do one kill count and one victory condition quest per day and it will grant a battleground token once completed. Players can also start participating in these challenges starting at level 30. Other changes with Season 2 include: <ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Gears of Klak’Anon’s Relic will now place you in combat when held. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Ruins of Ganak Flags will now place you in combat when held. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Smuggler’s Den victory condition has been reduced from 1500 to 1250 points. </li></ul> OPEN PvPNew weapons and accessories are available via the Scions of War. Warfields are now tiered! Participants should visit Antonica (10-39), Enchanted Lands (40-69) or Kylong Plains (70+) to test their might!<ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Participants must now defend and attack within each Warfield. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Participants will need to destroy the enemy towers to win. (6 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Failure to defeat the towers will result in a draw. (3 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Failure to defend the towers will result in a loss. (2 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Event will continue to spawn every two hours. </li></ul> Additional Open PvP changes: <ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">All zones are now set to an 8 level PvP range. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">With the exception of a few quest hubs, all other zones will now be immunity free. Anyone that zones in or spawns in our 8 level range areas will no longer have infinite immunity. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">A timer of 60 seconds will count down and players will need to fight or flight from now on. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">Starting Cities and corresponding starting zones are now aligned to their ruling faction and will “carnage” flag enemies. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">The time and distance before you are out of combat has been doubled in PvP. </li></ul>

Xalmat

09-30-2010, 04:21 PM

Bleh at the PvP flag being turned on, but thanks for the heads up.Season 2 BG armor sounds exciting.

Leko

09-30-2010, 04:47 PM

Thanks for allowing the PvP community the time and chance to test the changes coming our way.

JoarAddam

09-30-2010, 05:41 PM

What about Low Tier BG weapons and other missing slots in Low Tier BG merchants? Annoying to come up against someone who CAN fill those slots when I CAN'T "so come play on PVP" but then I can't twink my other toons with BG gear, just like you PVP folk do... forgive the heck out of me for not rolling on the right server before PVP even existed.

Ssue

09-30-2010, 06:00 PM

Will we be able to copy our toons over from the live servers? And if so what is the syntax as I have forgotten. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bunji

09-30-2010, 06:15 PM

<cite>Ssue@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Will we be able to copy our toons over from the live servers? And if so what is the syntax as I have forgotten. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Yes, /testcopy add

Anastasie

09-30-2010, 06:22 PM

Please don't forget to turn it back to PVE when you are done - that was awful last time when it stayed PVP for a very extended period of time.

Bunji

09-30-2010, 06:23 PM

<cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please don't forget to turn it back to PVE when you are done - that was awful last time when it stayed PVP for a very extended period of time.</blockquote>We plan to switch it back to PvE with Monday's Test patch.

Laenai

09-30-2010, 06:25 PM

<cite>JoarAddam wrote:</cite><blockquote>What about Low Tier BG weapons and other missing slots in Low Tier BG merchants? Annoying to come up against someone who CAN fill those slots when I CAN'T "so come play on PVP" but then I can't twink my other toons with BG gear, just like you PVP folk do... forgive the heck out of me for not rolling on the right server before PVP even existed.</blockquote>Actually, PvP servers suffer from the same "No gear for the slot" at lower tiers also <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'd give my right arm for a freakin PvP wrist item at level 40. Or an item with heal/cast stats instead of haste or "procs a heal on a ranged attack" that i can't use, but have to have for a set bonus.

Notsovilepriest

09-30-2010, 08:04 PM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please don't forget to turn it back to PVE when you are done - that was awful last time when it stayed PVP for a very extended period of time.</blockquote>We plan to switch it back to PvE with Monday's Test patch.</blockquote>Woot a whole 4 days, Including a weekend to test stuff. I love we get a good amount of time to test a huge change to our ruleset /sarcasm

Bunji

09-30-2010, 08:05 PM

<cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please don't forget to turn it back to PVE when you are done - that was awful last time when it stayed PVP for a very extended period of time.</blockquote>We plan to switch it back to PvE with Monday's Test patch.</blockquote>Woot a whole 4 days, Including a weekend to test stuff. I love we get a good amount of time to test a huge change to our ruleset /sarcasm</blockquote>We'll see how things go, we don't have to switch it back on Monday.

Notsovilepriest

09-30-2010, 08:09 PM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please don't forget to turn it back to PVE when you are done - that was awful last time when it stayed PVP for a very extended period of time.</blockquote>We plan to switch it back to PvE with Monday's Test patch.</blockquote>Woot a whole 4 days, Including a weekend to test stuff. I love we get a good amount of time to test a huge change to our ruleset /sarcasm</blockquote>We'll see how things go, we don't have to switch it back on Monday.</blockquote>Weekends tend to be when people actually PvP on live since most people don't work, so to expect when our PvP is heaviest people will log over to test won't work. We will need 1 week probally through the weekdays so a few friends can log in on off times and test them out much more effectively. I'll be working to test also when my toon gets copied over

Horgana

09-30-2010, 08:17 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Season 2 BG armor sounds exciting.</blockquote>What would actually be exciting would be some new battlegrounds zones. Somehow when we had the handful of RoK instances we were happy then we got spoilt with the dozen or more from TSO. Now the dozen or more SF instances are boring coz i've done them all more than half a dozen times. The same 3 battleground instances got boring and became a tedious grind after about a week and so 6 months later... season 2 BG armor sounds like a pointless tedious grind thru the same three same old battlegrounds.When will there be some new battlegrounds zones? I'm guessing when we pay for them next February.

d1anaw

10-01-2010, 12:01 AM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>We will be switching Test Copy to PvP in the near future, most likely after tonight's update. It will stay PvP through the weekend to allow players some time to check out these upcoming PvP changes which are part of the next game update:PvP MERCHANTSThe Sister of War (Battleground) and Scion of War (Open PvP) armor merchant will now display all wearable armor within your level range. PvP ITEMSNovice of Discord set bonuses are now No Modify and the ward regenerates for less each round.“Mutilate” and “Mangle” will now last the full 10 second duration each proc and will continue to stack with similar effects from different caster’s. PvP ABILITIESToughness has been changed to 30% damage reduction at max skill and will continue to provide PvP Critical Mitigation in the following ranges:<ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">15% starting at 10. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">30% starting at 70. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">45% starting at 80 </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;">60% at level 90. </li></ul> The skill cost to reach max Toughness has also increased by 50% at all tiers. BATTLEGROUNDSSeason 2 begins! New weapons and accessories are available via the Sisters of War. A huge change for season 2 is the consolidation of the Ganak, Gears and Smuggler’s tokens into a single Battleground Token. The Sisters of War have each taken the duty of exchanging your old token at a 1:1 ratio. In addition, the items previously sold for multiple currencies are now priced to accept the new Battleground Token. The Scions of Discord have taken over the duties from the various battleground faction representatives and will now have players complete battle specific challenges, once per day. Players may do one kill count and one victory condition quest per day and it will grant a battleground token once completed. Players can also start participating in these challenges starting at level 30. Other changes with Season 2 include: <ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Gears of Klak’Anon’s Relic will now place you in combat when held. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Ruins of Ganak Flags will now place you in combat when held. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;">Smuggler’s Den victory condition has been reduced from 1500 to 1250 points. </li></ul> OPEN PvPNew weapons and accessories are available via the Scions of War. Warfields are now tiered! Participants should visit Antonica (10-39), Enchanted Lands (40-69) or Kylong Plains (70+) to test their might!<ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Participants must now defend and attack within each Warfield. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Participants will need to destroy the enemy towers to win. (6 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Failure to defeat the towers will result in a draw. (3 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Failure to defend the towers will result in a loss. (2 Tokens) </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in;">Event will continue to spawn every two hours. </li></ul> Additional Open PvP changes: <ul type="disc"><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">All zones are now set to an 8 level PvP range. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">With the exception of a few quest hubs, all other zones will now be immunity free. Anyone that zones in or spawns in our 8 level range areas will no longer have infinite immunity. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">A timer of 60 seconds will count down and players will need to fight or flight from now on. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">Starting Cities and corresponding starting zones are now aligned to their ruling faction and will “carnage” flag enemies. </li><li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in;">The time and distance before you are out of combat has been doubled in PvP. </li></ul></blockquote>That sucks. So now we get to deal with a bunch of overgrown bullies. Yeah.

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 12:16 AM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite> </cite>That sucks. So now we get to deal with a bunch of overgrown bullies. Yeah.</blockquote>Lol, Are you serious?

Maliclipse

10-01-2010, 12:53 AM

Where is the season 2 armor at? the sisters in Qeynos harbor dont sell itAlso i can not trade my tokens right now for Battlefield tokens. seems when you put in the new merchants (which dont have new items) you took out the exchange ones

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 01:46 AM

When are the new items going to be added on test? Or am I missing them?

Xalmat

10-01-2010, 01:49 AM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>BATTLEGROUNDSSeason 2 begins! New weapons and accessories are available via the Sisters of War. </blockquote>Just checked the merchants. I don't see anything new on them, or maybe I'm not familiar enough with the current crop of stuff.

Maliclipse

10-01-2010, 01:52 AM

Nope nothing new Xal, And now we cant even get BG tokens from the Qeynos guys. They dont offer the exchange.

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 01:54 AM

<cite>Maliclipse wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope nothing new Xal, And now we cant even get BG tokens from the Qeynos guys. They dont offer the exchange.</blockquote>I saw the exchange, There is 1 type per merchant

Maliclipse

10-01-2010, 01:57 AM

<cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maliclipse wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope nothing new Xal, And now we cant even get BG tokens from the Qeynos guys. They dont offer the exchange.</blockquote>I saw the exchange, There is 1 type per merchant</blockquote>Just tripple checked, The Qeynos sisters do not have the exchange

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 02:01 AM

<cite>Maliclipse wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maliclipse wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nope nothing new Xal, And now we cant even get BG tokens from the Qeynos guys. They dont offer the exchange.</blockquote>I saw the exchange, There is 1 type per merchant</blockquote>Just tripple checked, The Qeynos sisters do not have the exchange</blockquote>Going back to harbor now to look 1 sec

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 02:08 AM

It's thereArmor->GearsJewlery->GanakWeapon->Smugs

Maliclipse

10-01-2010, 02:09 AM

Hrmm do you have a Good character to test it on. Ill take screen shots showing its not in my list. Maybe its because your evil.

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 02:15 AM

<cite>Maliclipse wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hrmm do you have a Good character to test it on. Ill take screen shots showing its not in my list. Maybe its because your evil.</blockquote>I'm Exile

Morauk

10-01-2010, 02:15 AM

There is no new pvp gear on the merchants, it is kinda upsetting to me that you type in patch notes that the stuff is in to be tested, but it really is not.

wayfaerer

10-01-2010, 02:18 AM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>That sucks. So now we get to deal with a bunch of overgrown bullies. Yeah.</blockquote>Just terrible that the test server be used to test something. Terrible idea. Simply terrible.Anyway, the suggestion seems to be that it is being patched in at the same time as they switch the test server to PvP so I wouldn't be so surprised/angry that the new gear and token exchange/BG changes etc aren't on there yet.

Maliclipse

10-01-2010, 02:30 AM

<cite>Phia@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>That sucks. So now we get to deal with a bunch of overgrown bullies. Yeah.</blockquote>Just terrible that the test server be used to test something. Terrible idea. Simply terrible.Anyway, the suggestion seems to be that it is being patched in at the same time as they switch the test server to PvP so I wouldn't be so surprised/angry that the new gear and token exchange/BG changes etc aren't on there yet.</blockquote>ACtually the server has been patches and is a pvp server right now. So they should be in.

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 02:31 AM

People kept attacking me in QH! Needless to say, I made 50pp!

gundali

10-01-2010, 06:55 AM

No sign of any updated items on the BG merchant, are we supposed to LARP in order to test these updates?

Whilhelmina

10-01-2010, 07:25 AM

Hello,I never played PvP but I would like to try to help test those things out, but I don't know where to start at all.I suppose testing the warfields is the best thing I could do, but I have no clue how to do that. Could someone enlightened me in a short and easy way so I may understand (short and easy because I dont know PvP mechanics and english is not my primary language at all hehe)EDIT : ok, I was able to test the PvP warfield in Kylong. Those statues are really full of HP! I think it will be fun to do if there are a lot of players (3 vs 1 wasn't really satisfying). We got a draw in the end, getting one statue short of victory. It seemed to work pretty well.I wasn't able to exchange battleground tokens with an evil char.mmmh... could we get a buffer back please?

d1anaw

10-01-2010, 12:23 PM

<cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hello,I never played PvP but I would like to try to help test those things out, but I don't know where to start at all.I suppose testing the warfields is the best thing I could do, but I have no clue how to do that. Could someone enlightened me in a short and easy way so I may understand (short and easy because I dont know PvP mechanics and english is not my primary language at all hehe)EDIT : ok, I was able to test the PvP warfield in Kylong. Those statues are really full of HP! I think it will be fun to do if there are a lot of players (3 vs 1 wasn't really satisfying). We got a draw in the end, getting one statue short of victory. It seemed to work pretty well.I wasn't able to exchange battleground tokens with an evil char.mmmh... could we get a buffer back please?</blockquote>I wouldn't have a problem with the whole PVP thing if we could have an opt out flag so we won't be subjected to roving gangs of morons who go around attacking people just for the hell of it.

Notsovilepriest

10-01-2010, 01:21 PM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hello,I never played PvP but I would like to try to help test those things out, but I don't know where to start at all.I suppose testing the warfields is the best thing I could do, but I have no clue how to do that. Could someone enlightened me in a short and easy way so I may understand (short and easy because I dont know PvP mechanics and english is not my primary language at all hehe)EDIT : ok, I was able to test the PvP warfield in Kylong. Those statues are really full of HP! I think it will be fun to do if there are a lot of players (3 vs 1 wasn't really satisfying). We got a draw in the end, getting one statue short of victory. It seemed to work pretty well.I wasn't able to exchange battleground tokens with an evil char.mmmh... could we get a buffer back please?</blockquote>I wouldn't have a problem with the whole PVP thing if we could have an opt out flag so we won't be subjected to roving gangs of morons who go around attacking people just for the hell of it.</blockquote>seriously, Shut up. It's rare we get to test our changes and when we ge a chance it's an extremely small window because people like you complain. We pay just as much as you to play and get to test our content 1/20th the time you guys do. If for the rare chance we get to, avoid it till if flips back if you can't handle it

Xalmat

10-01-2010, 01:27 PM

I don't PvP, but I agree with the above poster. It's not like there isn't content to test on Test_Copy at all, you just have to avoid areas that will get you killed by random PvPers (stick to your city and you'll be fine).If you want to safely test the new Greater Faydark quest line, why not roll an alt on standard Test?

Bunji

10-01-2010, 01:48 PM

<cite>Gorefather@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>No sign of any updated items on the BG merchant, are we supposed to LARP in order to test these updates?</blockquote>I'll look into the missing BG merchant items and see if I can get that fixed in tonight's Test update.

Neskonlith

10-01-2010, 01:49 PM

The new immunity changes might encourage subscribers with older, slower computer systems into giving up on open-PVP - no temporary immunity on zoning means it will be easy to farm updates from slow zoners who will see their screens clear to a revive window. On busy nights during primetime, zoning can sometimes take a very long time. So far, this adjustment doesn't appear to enhance PVP competition in that respect.Any clues for when all the new PVP changes will be patched in? There are no new items on merchants yet.Edit: re-reading the original PVP change list, I see there is supposed to be a 60s immunity countdown for zoning, but that is not happening as immunity is gone on zone-ins or revives.With functional 60s countdown, there will only be 30s of freebie hits for spawn camp farmers on revive sick players, but still at least time to call out.

Neskonlith

10-01-2010, 01:50 PM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'll look into the missing BG merchant items and see if I can get that fixed in tonight's Test update.</blockquote>Thanks!

Whilhelmina

10-01-2010, 02:16 PM

don't forget to add a buffer too. It's not really easy to test when you're one-shoted by everybody <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And how do the lesser level warfield work now? I guess we can't mentor down and do them?

Neskonlith

10-01-2010, 03:00 PM

4 revive choices for Freeport+ 90 seconds of revive sickness+ 0 immunity on revive+ reduced Toughness+ healer nerf...= ranger madness! My math is indicating a solo ranger could easily one-shot clear a revive camp to fill up writs from 40m without breaking a sweat in this setup. Considering how rare and underplayed the Ranger class is on Nagafen, I'm sure this scenario is unlikely to occur... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />This might change open-PVP to be more of a ranged "Duck Hunt" FPS than competitive melee encounters.This might also encourage Casual PVP to go BeeGees and leave the open-PVP to the KoS EverScout crowd!

Neskonlith

10-01-2010, 03:06 PM

Using a single mouse click to select an opponent appears to place character into combat. Tabbing to select an opponent does not appear to place a player into combat.

Neskonlith

10-01-2010, 03:13 PM

Can we get an early downtime + patch for Testcopy to add in the PVP items?If all the new PVP changes do not make it in tonight for whatever reason, then the weekend will be a write-off for PVP changes Testing. A patch during working hours today would allow SOE to verify that the items are actually in-game for Testing.

Harbringer Doom

10-01-2010, 03:41 PM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wouldn't have a problem with the whole PVP thing if we could have an opt out flag so we won't be subjected to roving gangs of morons who go around attacking people just for the hell of it.</blockquote>For those of us who want to make sure we're playing appropriately within your intended ruleset on a PvP server... please explain when its appropriate to attack people. Exactly what goal should I have in mind if I want to ensure I'm not "attacking people just for the hell of it."If I have a writ active, is that sufficient?Or do I have to roleplay a war between our races?Can I quickly recite an EQ2 FanFic in my mind that details the story of how you insulted my mother last Fernsgully Day, just before I engage you?Seriously, I need to know what to do in order to clean myself of the stigma that is attacking people just for the hell of it.

Bunji

10-01-2010, 04:33 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote>Using a single mouse click to select an opponent appears to place character into combat. Tabbing to select an opponent does not appear to place a player into combat.</blockquote>We'll try and get the fix for this in tonight's patch as well.

Bunji

10-01-2010, 10:34 PM

The Test update is in progress now. I'm guessing it will hit Test between 7-8pm PST.The Season 2 armor should be available from the Sister of War merchants (keep in mind the stats are not finalized yet).The fix for single-clicking engaging you in pvp combat did not make this build, but should be in Monday's update.

PlaneCrazy

10-02-2010, 12:40 AM

Oh well, I was planning on doing some more testing of the halloween stuff and some other things, but after getting ganked about 5 times by a couple of scout types I have decided that they can test it themselves.Seriously, they should have a pvp-off flag you can set on test copy. Who the hell wants to test anything when a fully pvp geared player from Naggy just goes from dock to dock and spawn point to spawn point ganking PVE players? How's that testing anything BG or Warfield related? LOLSet up a 90 buffer that outfits you in decent PVP gear and maybe I would stay and play for a while, but until then, The simple minds can run amok with their own kind.

Notsovilepriest

10-02-2010, 12:45 AM

<cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh well, I was planning on doing some more testing of the halloween stuff and some other things, but after getting ganked about 5 times by a couple of scout types I have decided that they can test it themselves.Seriously, they should have a pvp-off flag you can set on test copy. Who the hell wants to test anything when a fully pvp geared player from Naggy just goes from dock to dock and spawn point to spawn point ganking PVE players? How's that testing anything BG or Warfield related? LOLSet up a 90 buffer that outfits you in decent PVP gear and maybe I would stay and play for a while, but until then, The simple minds can run amok with their own kind.</blockquote>Yes, Running around hitting those with or without PvP gear is not part of PvP testing. For the love of all things holy, we get 1 week tops ever, if we even get to test at all, suck it up or don't play till it's unflagged, The PvE stuff has been on test for awhile now.

PlaneCrazy

10-02-2010, 01:01 AM

<cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh well, I was planning on doing some more testing of the halloween stuff and some other things, but after getting ganked about 5 times by a couple of scout types I have decided that they can test it themselves.Seriously, they should have a pvp-off flag you can set on test copy. Who the hell wants to test anything when a fully pvp geared player from Naggy just goes from dock to dock and spawn point to spawn point ganking PVE players? How's that testing anything BG or Warfield related? LOLSet up a 90 buffer that outfits you in decent PVP gear and maybe I would stay and play for a while, but until then, The simple minds can run amok with their own kind.</blockquote>Yes, Running around hitting those with or without PvP gear is not part of PvP testing. For the love of all things holy, we get 1 week tops ever, if we even get to test at all, suck it up or don't play till it's unflagged, The PvE stuff has been on test for awhile now.</blockquote>Hey, I am not argueing about the need to test PvP stuff too. It's not my thing but it is for a whole bunch of other players. But to just tell us to stay away for a week while PvP is active - well, that's kinda self defeating if you are really interested in testing anything. There's a lot more PVE players willing to log on then PVP and excluding us doesn't help much. If I was able to get buffed and equiped so I couldnt be downed in 5 seconds from a barrage of arrows from some a**hat, then I might be interested in seeing what warfields is like.Edit: Oh, and a bunch of non-pvp stuff for GU58 just went up on test 2 days ago. That's what I wanted to look over.

Notsovilepriest

10-02-2010, 01:08 AM

<cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>PlaneCrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh well, I was planning on doing some more testing of the halloween stuff and some other things, but after getting ganked about 5 times by a couple of scout types I have decided that they can test it themselves.Seriously, they should have a pvp-off flag you can set on test copy. Who the hell wants to test anything when a fully pvp geared player from Naggy just goes from dock to dock and spawn point to spawn point ganking PVE players? How's that testing anything BG or Warfield related? LOLSet up a 90 buffer that outfits you in decent PVP gear and maybe I would stay and play for a while, but until then, The simple minds can run amok with their own kind.</blockquote>Yes, Running around hitting those with or without PvP gear is not part of PvP testing. For the love of all things holy, we get 1 week tops ever, if we even get to test at all, suck it up or don't play till it's unflagged, The PvE stuff has been on test for awhile now.</blockquote>Hey, I am not argueing about the need to test PvP stuff too. It's not my thing but it is for a whole bunch of other players. But to just tell us to stay away for a week while PvP is active - well, that's kinda self defeating if you are really interested in testing anything. There's a lot more PVE players willing to log on then PVP and excluding us doesn't help much. If I was able to get buffed and equiped so I couldnt be downed in 5 seconds from a barrage of arrows from some a**hat, then I might be interested in seeing what warfields is like.Edit: Oh, and a bunch of non-pvp stuff for GU58 just went up on test 2 days ago. That's what I wanted to look over.</blockquote>1 week is high end, It won't be that long, True PvP testing isn't the interest of 95% of PvE players and honestly, there has been more harm to PvP servers from PvE complaining or "Insight" than help. Therefore, I couldn't care less if they help testing, and it will flip back again before the update is live.

BlueEternal

10-02-2010, 01:22 AM

Would it be possible to throw a fix in for Stonewill proc, Battle Frenzy (Berserker AA), and Legionnaires Conviction (Crusader AA)? They have been using their PvP numbers in PvE combat on PvP servers for close to 5 months now. This bug has been ignored for far too long. Would be much appreciated if you can finally address this for GU 58.

Xalmat

10-02-2010, 02:31 AM

Still not seeing anything new on the BG merchant, unless it's all level 80 or below stuff. Also still not seeing the option to convert old currency into new currency.

Corydonn

10-02-2010, 02:42 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Still not seeing anything new on the BG merchant, unless it's all level 80 or below stuff. Also still not seeing the option to convert old currency into new currency.</blockquote>I was able to see the fighter things on my bruiser, I couldn't buy any of the gear though since there is no way to convert tokens on the merchants heh. The two handers look kind of nice, They are a BG Yuri with slightly worse stats (AKA crit bonus.)) and a situational proc depending on what the enemy team has, Except you gave the plate tank two hander 5 crit chance that isn't found on the brawler bo staff. I don't see much use out of the brawler one handers as well, but... Brawler one handers are terrible in the PVE department as well and undesirable heh. I do like the 5% Crit damage reduction on the plate tank shield for a more defensive game like Gears and would maybe like to see it on a defensive brawler weapon later on.I don't see any jewelry on the merchants so can't give any feedback there either.

Bunji

10-02-2010, 02:43 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Still not seeing anything new on the BG merchant, unless it's all level 80 or below stuff. Also still not seeing the option to convert old currency into new currency.</blockquote>I checked with Olihin, and season 2 gear is currently available for levels 30 - 80.

Xalmat

10-02-2010, 02:47 AM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>I checked with Olihin, and season 2 gear is currently available for levels 30 - 80.</blockquote>Gotcha, level 90s are not able to see it then.What about the token currency exchange?

Bunji

10-02-2010, 03:02 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>I checked with Olihin, and season 2 gear is currently available for levels 30 - 80.</blockquote>Gotcha, level 90s are not able to see it then.What about the token currency exchange?</blockquote>To exchange, I believe all you have to do is hail a Suster of War merchant (I believe they only give the option if you have tokens to exchange in your inv).If it's not working, I'll have to check with Olihin on Monday to figure out what's wrong with it.

Xalmat

10-02-2010, 03:10 AM

Ah ha. You need the old currency in your inventory before the new currency will appear in the merchant window.

Whilhelmina

10-02-2010, 07:43 AM

I saw the currency exchange in Gorowyn. There is a line in the seller window where you can buy a BG token for a gear token (I had 11 gear tokens in inventory)May we get a buffer too please?EDIT: could not find any tower in EL, but as we had a server crash while I was searching for it, I think the war field reseted

Whilhelmina

10-02-2010, 12:54 PM

Ok, new hour, new feedback :- I wasn't able to find the towers in Antonica but that may be because of the crashing bugs (when a zone crashes, the towers disappear it seems. I wasn't able to find those in EL before)- In EL, FP tower is west of the docks, Q tower is east of the docks. I found it strange that the statues have a buff preventing out-of-range players to attack them BUT can't be targetted if you're out of said range. Is this intended ? It makes kind of sense but as there have a buff preventing a high level player to kill them (or a too low level player), I don't understand why I couldn't target them. Tower guards are level 69 which I find too high. If 69 is the max level, seeing the whole lot of HP those statues have, I would put them at level 55 or so, in the middle of the range, so level 40 players can play too!- I answered my previous question, aka: no, you can't go to a warfield if you're above the level, even mentored. I can't really comment on that point because I'm not used to PvP, but as the mentoring systems is making players far more powerfull when mentored, it makes sense.- In KP, the FP tower is near Jarsath, the Q tower is near Chardok. Guardians are 89++ heroic. Solo, as a 83 player in level 80 mastercrafted BG gear, I droped 20% of one statue in 5 minutes. Seems that those have a whole bunch of HP. I'm not sure of the level those statues should have. I would say 89 is nice as it targets the level 90 players. So, contrary to the EL tower, I would suggest letting the statues at 89, at least until a level raise or the addition of new warfields in other zones.EDIT : next round, found the Antonican towers : good tower at -304, -14, -490, evil tower at -1598, -2, -699 (another at -1865, -17, 632)Statues prevent you from hitting them if you're 40+ or 10-. Once more the statues are ++ heroic and level 39. I would suggest reducing the level to 25 so low level chars can attack them successfully. As a level 19 I was missing all my hits (of course) so it will be very frustrating for lowbies.

Neskonlith

10-02-2010, 04:09 PM

The PVP weapons merchant is missing a 1H slash scout weapon to upgrade the brutallic broadsword.

Neskonlith

10-02-2010, 04:26 PM

What criteria is used to determine which quest hubs will have immunity?If it is travel nexus + significant quest hub, shouldn't boat ride spots like TS, Nek Docks, even KP docks qualify?

Ssue

10-02-2010, 04:49 PM

Sorry for posting this <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=487786" target="_blank">twice</a>, I just want to make sure it is seen. I have had the chance to poke around a little on TestCopy and have a couple of questions. 1) Multi Attack is now replacing Double Attack (DA)? How many swings are in Multi Attack? In Advanced Combat Tracker (ACT) on the live server my DA is at 113% and every swing is a DA. On Test with the same 113% Multi Attack it appears to hit 50% or less. How is it calculated?2) The new PvP round shields are secondary/ranged slot items. Ranged slot, is that correct? Does that mean all us duel wielders can still use two weapons and leave the shield on our back instead of a bow or bandolier?

Neskonlith

10-02-2010, 04:58 PM

<cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>A timer of 60 seconds will count down and players will need to fight or flight from now on. </blockquote>Just in case my edit to an earlier post is missed: the intended immunity countdown is not working as there is no immunity on revive or zoning.

BlueEternal

10-04-2010, 11:02 PM

<cite>Naroc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Would it be possible to throw a fix in for Stonewill proc, Battle Frenzy (Berserker AA), and Legionnaires Conviction (Crusader AA)? They have been using their PvP numbers in PvE combat on PvP servers for close to 5 months now. This bug has been ignored for far too long. Would be much appreciated if you can finally address this for GU 58.</blockquote>

Bunji

10-05-2010, 01:04 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite><blockquote>A timer of 60 seconds will count down and players will need to fight or flight from now on. </blockquote>Just in case my edit to an earlier post is missed: the intended immunity countdown is not working as there is no immunity on revive or zoning.</blockquote>The fix for this should be in the next Test update.

Shotneedle

10-05-2010, 01:16 PM

<cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>- In KP, the FP tower is near Jarsath, the Q tower is near Chardok. Guardians are 89++ heroic. Solo, as a 83 player in level 80 mastercrafted BG gear, I droped 20% of one statue in 5 minutes. Seems that those have a whole bunch of HP. I'm not sure of the level those statues should have. I would say 89 is nice as it targets the level 90 players. So, contrary to the EL tower, I would suggest letting the statues at 89, at least until a level raise or the addition of new warfields in other zones.</blockquote>I disagree. I think they need more hp. My dirge in full t3 gear was able to solo the 4 outer guards / pvp with an sk and some grey scout twice, as well as another dirge in a little over 7 minutes. I think there was some ranger there too but he wasn't helping much. The warfield ended before I could finish off the middle guy. If the warfields on nagafen are tons of people, I think they should have maybe 5 million hp minimum as opposed to their current 2.4, I would even suggest 8 million.But I'm just some bluebie, so...

Neskonlith

10-07-2010, 06:13 PM

Can anyone confirm if a lvl10 can get updates from red-con fights in KP after all of the new PVP changes are implemented?<img src="http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb310/Bitter_Coffee/screenies/EQ2_000639Large.jpg" width="765" height="543" />

Khiara

10-07-2010, 09:42 PM

<cite>d1anaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hello,I never played PvP but I would like to try to help test those things out, but I don't know where to start at all.I suppose testing the warfields is the best thing I could do, but I have no clue how to do that. Could someone enlightened me in a short and easy way so I may understand (short and easy because I dont know PvP mechanics and english is not my primary language at all hehe)EDIT : ok, I was able to test the PvP warfield in Kylong. Those statues are really full of HP! I think it will be fun to do if there are a lot of players (3 vs 1 wasn't really satisfying). We got a draw in the end, getting one statue short of victory. It seemed to work pretty well.I wasn't able to exchange battleground tokens with an evil char.mmmh... could we get a buffer back please?</blockquote>I wouldn't have a problem with the whole PVP thing if we could have an opt out flag so we won't be subjected to roving gangs of morons who go around attacking people just for the hell of it.</blockquote>Q F E!!!!!!

Olihin

10-08-2010, 03:16 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can anyone confirm if a lvl10 can get updates from red-con fights in KP after all of the new PVP changes are implemented?<img src="http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb310/Bitter_Coffee/screenies/EQ2_000639Large.jpg" width="765" height="543" /></blockquote>Grey con will still be able to engage anyone higher level. A change has been made to add a Carnage Flag to the Grey con for doing such, starting with GU58.All the rules of being Carnage flagged apply and it is the choice of the Grey con to take that risk from now on.This is an Open PvP change of course...Olihin

Gungo

10-08-2010, 04:24 PM

Do they become carnage flagged by attacking the towers?Or are they still immune to the majority of the level 90's in KP?

Olihin

10-08-2010, 06:22 PM

<cite>Gungo wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do they become carnage flagged by attacking the towers?Or are they still immune to the majority of the level 90's in KP?</blockquote>At this time, they do not. The change is to resolve a more gamewide issue then Warfields. 90s will be attacking the enemy base and each side does have lower level players as well to defend. All you need to do is make sure you destroy the enemy tower before the enemy does. We have other changes that will also make it less desirable to play lower level alts if you have a main. Olihin

Wytie

10-08-2010, 06:29 PM

<cite>Olihin wrote:</cite><blockquote> We have other changes that will also make it less desirable to play lower level alts if you have a main. Olihin</blockquote>You have our attention, have you already specified these changes or are these still a work in progress?Thanks for the Clarifications.

Neskonlith

10-08-2010, 06:35 PM

<cite>Olihin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do they become carnage flagged by attacking the towers?Or are they still immune to the majority of the level 90's in KP?</blockquote>At this time, they do not. The change is to resolve a more gamewide issue then Warfields. 90s will be attacking the enemy base and each side does have lower level players as well to defend. All you need to do is make sure you destroy the enemy tower before the enemy does. We have other changes that will also make it less desirable to play lower level alts if you have a main. Olihin</blockquote>Won't the carnage flag drop on death, thereby giving the leech immunity from red-cons once again? This likely means the lowbie grey will be immune from red-cons while writ cooldown ticks off and when the lvl10 is ready again they merely tag another 6 red-cons, get carnaged and die to await writ credit. Leeching still sounds viable.Greys are a waste of population capacity in KP WF: they give no updates; they contribute no help; they lag up in-range competitors; they have no reason for being in an end-game PVP event other than to leech.

Breeanor

10-17-2010, 03:50 PM

I am not a poster but this obvious lack of thought or planning from SOE really has me doubting thier capacity to fairly make changes. Almighty devs givith the group cure to all healers and now they have to nerf the group cure by extending it's reuse. Not only the spell, but they went ahead and added the inquizy myth clicky in the nerf too. They also lessened the amount of effects the clicky can cure (DOUBLE BAM!)! Abzurd, this is obviously lazyness on their part and what I belive to be a major mistake. Now, originally, I wasn't crazy about giving all healers the group cure because it is my opinion that it was inquizy defining. I was able to live with it because, well, we still had our Mythical cure. Our clicky is what made the inquisitor a viable healer in raids/pvp, no body complained (too much). The reason is because we are slow casters and the group cures complimented that fact. Well, not any more... Leave the "Clicky" alone! Give it back. The real problem in pvp was the inabilitiy of doing any real damage due to how toughness worked. 100% damage reduction with a full set of pvp gear just made toons crazy strong. With this update, sony changed that and made "everyone" less uber. No more solo beasts holding off numbers of the enemy. I've seen mages, fighters, and healers (I was one) survivings with 6 or more toons pounding on them. I was getting killed left and right and was forced to get pvp gear to survive and then I became a wall. I think the toughness change was a fair attempt to even the field because it effected everyone. I think the group cure nurf was semi fair because it affected all healers. Messing with the Inqisitor Mythical ability is not fair. It is a nurf to a defining ability that makes the inquisitor less viable as a healer. Breejaree, Bree VOX