New Marketplace Items: Cloak of Stained Glass Replics & Orange and Purple Clothing Crates [Archive]

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Amnerys

09-23-2010, 08:57 PM

<img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/content/en/news/banners/newerbanners/station_cash_banner.jpg" width="400" height="150" />This week's items are all about enhancing your look with color. If you're looking for something a little more subtle, go for the Orange or Purple Clothing crate. Or if you want to make a real statement, the Cloak of Stained Glass Replicas might be right up your alley.<a href="http://everquest2.com/news/read/092010/3688" target="_blank">Read More</a>

TorrynWoodsrunner

09-23-2010, 10:04 PM

Once again, the powers that be cannot seem to make up their minds in regards to pricing these items. 300 SC for a clothing set that allows for numerous combinations, and 1100 SC for a single cloak.The Citizen's Clothing packs - reasonable+The Cloak of Stained Glass Replicas - totally unreasonable=No thanks, just looking.As long as there's this discordant pricing in the Marketplace, I just don't feel comfortable or justified in supporting it at all. If the Powers That Be can get it together and rework the pricing to be consistant and reflective of real micro-transactions, that position may change.

Khiara

09-23-2010, 10:23 PM

<cite>TorrynWoodsrunner wrote:</cite><blockquote>Once again, the powers that be cannot seem to make up their minds in regards to pricing these items. 300 SC for a clothing set that allows for numerous combinations, and 1100 SC for a single cloak.The Citizen's Clothing packs - reasonable+The Cloak of Stained Glass Replicas - totally unreasonable=No thanks, just looking.As long as there's this discordant pricing in the Marketplace, I just don't feel comfortable or justified in supporting it at all. If the Powers That Be can get it together and rework the pricing to be consistant and reflective of real micro-transactions, that position may change.</blockquote>QFE!!! The amounts for some of this stuff..on TOP of maintaining not 1...not 2...but THREE accounts is just not feasible. I would love SEVERAL things from SC but the $$ amt is just too prohibitive. Come on guys...wake up and realize how much your long time customers are ALREADY spending and lets bring the prices down a tad..shall we??

Vladisl

09-23-2010, 11:48 PM

I dont see whats wrong with the cloak being 11$-13$, if SOE is trying to lower the nmber of people buying sc items like they used to say, it seems that pricing a cloak that grants featherfall(in this case it works on mounts from what i can tell) for 11$ seems like a good price for an item that grants an ability not often seen from ingame items(excluding mounts)

Vortexelemental

09-24-2010, 02:37 AM

What's that you say? I spy art and developer work time not spent on actual content?Oh my !

Theladorn

09-24-2010, 10:42 AM

<cite>Jiten@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont see whats wrong with the cloak being 11$-13$, if SOE is trying to lower the nmber of people buying sc items like they used to say, it seems that pricing a cloak that grants featherfall(in this case it works on mounts from what i can tell) for 11$ seems like a good price for an item that grants an ability not often seen from ingame items(excluding mounts)</blockquote>The way they've implemented $C is a double edged sword for SoE. On one hand they want to make unique items and target a small audience which they expect will pay extreme premium prices. On the other, the entire point to having an RMT store available is to sell as much stuff to as many people as often as possible. I don't get it, and sadly, I don't think SoE does either. To reiterate, this stuff costs TOO MUCH. 10-15 dollars is TOO MUCH for a single item. Say it with me...Micro-transaction.This stuff, or equivalent items, need to be made available in game, obtainable through in game means. I will continue to completely boycott the marketplace until the items available there or the $C needed to buy them can be obtained in game.

Kamimura

09-24-2010, 12:15 PM

<cite>Jiten@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>pricing a cloak that grants featherfall(in this case it works on mounts from what i can tell </blockquote>So do the other two cloaks with featherfall that you can buy individually from the marketplace, yet they're both sold at lower prices. (Although I remember both launching at higher prices...) SOE does need to sit down and figure out how to set prices, reasonably, and consistantly.

Valdaglerion

09-24-2010, 12:19 PM

Kudos on the multi-set packs. The $3 price of those is about spot on! You get a few decent looking sets for $3. I would encourage that while you, SOE, are looking to sell more appearance style items that you begin working on better ways for us to manage those items in game. Things like wardrobes and/or mannequins that store items on them, packing crates for storage (like the ones we have now which unpack but player crafted ones or merchant purchased where we can crate up an entire set of gear and stick it in the bank. Better 1 slot item for storage than say 7-15.Mounts - appearance slots are needed if you want to broaden your sales potential for those items. Better storage for those as well, something like the ammo slot where we can put varying key rings to store 4-80 mount summoning items.And then you can start tweaking the prices of some things. If we had appearance slots for mounts I would say drop the price of those things to about $10-$15 and remove all stats from them. My opinion(s) anyway, take it for what its worth.

KerowynnKaotic

09-24-2010, 02:04 PM

<cite>Nevissa@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped* SOE does need to sit down and figure out how to set prices, reasonably, and consistantly.</blockquote>I totally agree with this!I, too, was confused at the price for the cloak. Since it pops up with all the other cloaks that also have featherfall on them (one also has an additional graphics effect on it) and the others are $8.00 .. the Appearance only Cloak is $7.00. The new one .. $11?My (not so) quick line of thinking for all SC items ..<ul><li>Mounts<ul><li>With Runspeed & Stats $25</li><li>Appearance Only (doesn't exist) $10 </li></ul></li><li>Cloaks w/featherfall $8 </li><li>Cloaks w/o Featherfall $5</li><li>Unique* Armor Sets** $10</li><li>Unique* Armor Sets** with Accessories $10 + $1 per additional accessory ($11 w/cloak $12 w/cloak & shield, etc .. )</li><li>Armor sets ripped directly from existing in-game Armor $3 - $8 <ul><li>Examples: the 'dwarven' guard armor, the brown 'tunarian' armor, the Citizen clothing etc. ... </li><li>I'm not ingame so I can't put proper names to them. But, I'm sure SOE knows where they got said 'pattern/style'. </li></ul></li><li>Individual Visual Accessories: $1 - 5 <ul><li>No individual Accessory should cost more than $5.00. </li><li>Accessory termed as Visual (Appearance only) Jewerly, Hats, Shields, Cloaks, Weapons. </li></ul></li><li>House Items <ul><li>Single MOB Plushies/House pets $1 ea</li><li>4 pack of Mob Plushies/House pets $3 !! (If it's labeled 'Discount', it darn well needs to be discounted!</li><li>Single NPC Plushie $3-$5 based on charisma of NPC** </li><li>Single House Furniture Item $2 - $5 <ul><li>Chairs, knicknacks = $2 - $3 </li><li>Tables, Beds = $3 - $5</li><li>Unique Cabinets/Fireplaces/Large Objects of Interest = $5 </li></ul></li><li>'Bundled / Discount' packs should always be at least a savings of $5. <ul><li>I'd recommend having 'Holiday Bundles', which are only available during Holidays but have at savings of at least $10! </li><li>I'd also recommend introducing House items that are available during a specific Holiday<ul><li>Don't Neglect Art for In-game accquired items but .. </li><li>House Item Balloons on EQ2's Birthday</li><li>Special Greenery and/or Strings of Holiday Lights for Frostfell </li><li>Pots of Shamrocks for Brewday</li><li>A Ghost/"Young Frankie"/Zombie Boy/whatever Plushie for NoTD</li><li>Special Hearts Galore Fountain for Eday .. etc .. etc .. </li><li>These special limited time only items (though can come every year) can cost up to $15!</li></ul></li></ul></li></ul></li><li>Backpacks <ul><li>Visual Only (doesn't exist!) $5.00</li><li>Visual + Useable in-game Backpack $15.00</li><li>Now, you'd think SOE would make more money from the 2nd one but I bet if they figured out a way to change the 'visual backpack' to a cloak instead, they'd make more $$ per year on the Visual than they do the In-game Backpack. </li></ul></li><li>Unique Housing - $50 per House per Character (not per character like the Fan Faire one, allowing for cool FF gifts still)<ul><li>If SOE ever fixes it so that we can have multiple Houses, this would be a nice gold mine for SOE</li><li>But, even without multiple houses, implementation needs to be better than putting a weird porter in SQ to access the Ship. Access really should have been on SS's Airship Dock and a Port spell to land the home owner there should have been included with it. </li><li>example: .. I'd like a Rivervale Halfling Burrow that is actually in Rivervale (in a Safe-ish area) for my Halfling. To be able to get to said house obviously she'd need a Call of "home" spell, which would land her at the door of her SC house. Because I'm buying the Rivervale experience not just a house in SQ that looks like a Hobbit home! / etc .. etc .. </li></ul></li></ul>Must be noted that with the exception of Featherfall & Mounts .. I ignore possiblity of Stats totally. So, this obviously couldn't be applied fully to Xtenze's Marketplace. *Unique = meaning it's never been in game before as a Wearable! If an NPC has worn it but players never have, it's a grey area but still Unique for this purpose. ** Sets being defined as anywhere from 3 to 7 items in package for min of Chest, Legs & Feet to Chest, Legs, Feet, Gloves, Bracer, Shoulder & Helm.*** I just want to throw out there the possiblilty of PC Plushies!! I think they would be a very BIG hit with those of us that are house lovers, which would equal lots of $$$!!

S_M_I_T_E

09-24-2010, 04:07 PM

<cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TorrynWoodsrunner wrote:</cite><blockquote>QFE!!! The amounts for some of this stuff..on TOP of maintaining not 1...not 2...but THREE accounts is just not feasible. I would love SEVERAL things from SC but the $$ amt is just too prohibitive. Come on guys...wake up and realize how much your long time customers are ALREADY spending and lets bring the prices down a tad..shall we??</blockquote></blockquote>/Suggest another Double SC weekend FTW! I stocked up in July ($150 ~ $75 real) - I've gotten a buttload of stuff with it (felt worth it) -The SC prices are "right" for "rare" gifts (bought $25 cat for my gf's B-day present )The SC prices are "wrong" for "casual" purchases - I'd love to by some Ebony Furniture for my FP home but not for $50!Have irregular but period Double SC weekends!

Uncaged

09-24-2010, 04:25 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nevissa@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped* SOE does need to sit down and figure out how to set prices, reasonably, and consistantly.</blockquote>I totally agree with this!I, too, was confused at the price for the cloak. Since it pops up with all the other cloaks that also have featherfall on them (one also has an additional graphics effect on it) and the others are $8.00 .. the Appearance only Cloak is $7.00. The new one .. $11? </blockquote>Honestly, If you just think about this for a second, it will come to you. The stained glass cloak is quite unique and its NEW. So yes, the price at its launch will be higher. The clothing crates being cheaper as they are is for a couple simple reasons. 1) They are very vanilla looking and took little to no time to create. 2) The colors are attrocious and broad brushed over the whole outfit. 3) They are mostly ugly. I do not see a whole lot of interest in them. Certainly not as much as other much nicer SC items.I don't think SC was ever meant by SOE to be a huge cash maker. If that was the case then they would have every item cheaper so that masses of folks would buy them. Think about this though also. With appearance sets and such junking up everyones vault/bank space, how long would it be before subscribers started howling for more space to store all these cheap SC items. They wish some of these items to be rare and not create a monster with storage space.Obviously, I did not want the Dark Elf armor crate to be $5.00 because everyone would be wearing it. Its bad enough as it is a guildie bought the set and now I switched my appearance gear to something else. I personally enjoy wearing items from in game that many sold to broker years ago. I currently use the Mind's eye set from RoK. Good looking stuff and I see NOONE in it. I really don't want to see every third character in a stained glass cloak. Or with 90 baby black dragons in their house.The prices are fine where they are. Either buy the junk or don't but PLEASE quit whining. You know if BMW's were 10K everyone would have one and noone would be happy with them. It's human nature. /rant off.

KerowynnKaotic

09-24-2010, 05:49 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nevissa@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped* SOE does need to sit down and figure out how to set prices, reasonably, and consistantly.</blockquote>I totally agree with this!I, too, was confused at the price for the cloak. Since it pops up with all the other cloaks that also have featherfall on them (one also has an additional graphics effect on it) and the others are $8.00 .. the Appearance only Cloak is $7.00. The new one .. $11? </blockquote>*snipped*I don't think SC was ever meant by SOE to be a huge cash maker*snipped*</blockquote>If you really believe that, you are totally deluding yourself. Of 'course SOE wants SC to be a cash cow, duh. But, they don't have to give things away to be able to make a nice chunk of change. They've got plenty of people right now that will buy the stuff at any price and that's fine but it would be better if they equate their pricing to be more accurately reflect the item's worth verses the implied value of 'being NEW'. 'Being New' isn't really a reason for it to cost more since next month they will take that item and mold it into something similar, if not exact.Price at launch -could- be a valid argument if we had a discount program going. Like FreeRealms has in the form of their Item of the day discount as well as their standard Member Discount of 20%, along with their various promos for a higher Member discount. "Membership Pays!" But, we don't have anything like that. Our Prices are Our Prices regardless of how much someone is paying for their account or what day they buy it on. Establishing a guidline of prices isn't going to change the fact that there will always be people that will buy something 1st day just to say "First!", nor will it introduce a flood of people wearing that Dark Elf Heritage Armor you were obviously proud of, unless of course that particular flood of people really liked it in the first place (though in my price suggestion it would have retained it's current price or very near it) ... but ... it will help to encourage confidence with the merchant (SOE) for the rest of the players to feel as though they are getting their full money's worth of that particular purchase when and if they purchase said items and that SOE knows what they are doing. Because, truthfully, it's looking as though they are just randomly pulling prices out of that poor upside down EQ2 baseball cap that they've been using for the last 6 years for all their major decisions. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" />

TorrynWoodsrunner

09-24-2010, 08:24 PM

<cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly, If you just think about this for a second, it will come to you. The stained glass cloak is quite unique and its NEW. So yes, the price at its launch will be higher. The clothing crates being cheaper as they are is for a couple simple reasons. 1) They are very vanilla looking and took little to no time to create. 2) The colors are attrocious and broad brushed over the whole outfit. 3) They are mostly ugly. I do not see a whole lot of interest in them. Certainly not as much as other much nicer SC items.I don't think SC was ever meant by SOE to be a huge cash maker. If that was the case then they would have every item cheaper so that masses of folks would buy them. Think about this though also. With appearance sets and such junking up everyones vault/bank space, how long would it be before subscribers started howling for more space to store all these cheap SC items. They wish some of these items to be rare and not create a monster with storage space.Obviously, I did not want the Dark Elf armor crate to be $5.00 because everyone would be wearing it. Its bad enough as it is a guildie bought the set and now I switched my appearance gear to something else. I personally enjoy wearing items from in game that many sold to broker years ago. I currently use the Mind's eye set from RoK. Good looking stuff and I see NOONE in it. I really don't want to see every third character in a stained glass cloak. Or with 90 baby black dragons in their house.The prices are fine where they are. Either buy the junk or don't but PLEASE quit whining. You know if BMW's were 10K everyone would have one and noone would be happy with them. It's human nature. /rant off.</blockquote>Apologies to the high-ups for the discussion this apparently has created, but it's obviously a topic that players feel warrants feedback.I don't buy the whole 'vanilla-looking, less time to create' reasoning. Yes, the recolors take very little time to process compared to building from the ground up, but that's really irrelevant to the matter at hand. The end goal is to sell the stuff, to as many people as possible, right?SC and the RMT not being a big cash maker? Have you not been paying attention lately? The whole game is drifting ever closer to the RMT dynamic, because that's where they are expecting to make their cash...apparently subscriptions just aren't cutting it, or we wouldn't have EQ2X.Storage space? We already need more. Every holiday event that adds new craftable items, every new quest with furniture rewards, it all taxes our available storage space, especially if you enjoy collecting it all. So I can't get behind that rationale either.I'm sure all of us want to look different from everyone else...but that's already a moot point from character generation...I guarantee there's someone out there whose character looks just like yours. Yes, armor helps. And if you want to adjust your look the first time you see someone wearing what you're wearing, that's your perogative. But it's not the point of the discussion. SOE wants to sell this stuff, as much of it as possible, to generate as much revenue as possible. Your personal outlook as a Fashionista doesn't matter. I guarantee that if the prices dropped, more people would buy, but would eventually move on to the next neat outfit. You'd eventually find your way to outfits few are wearing again.Prices are not 'fine where they are'...at least not from where I'm looking at them. If the goal is to generate revenue, then large sales quanity at low price point is the more effective marketing method...that's already been proven in the real world. And I have yet to read anyone 'whining'. So far, people have been very rational in their discussion and reasoning.I'll also point out that BMW's are -real world- items...solid, tangible, and once you buy it (and pay it off) you own it, it's yours to do with as you please. You can keep it, you can pass it along to a friend or relative, you can loan it to your next-door neighbor. Not so with SC items. Even after they're paid for, we don't own ANYthing. It's code, owned entirely by SOE. There's NO solid, tangible product, we still pay our subscription every month to KEEP using that code, and we cannot do whatever we like with the items once we've purchased them. So the comparison is really baseless.

CorpseGoddess

09-25-2010, 02:08 PM

Okay...the orange on most of the orange set is NOT ORANGE. Ochre, brown, yellow...these are not orange. The set should be the same colour as the paper plate armour we constructed for Bristlebane Day.I'd buy the set if they were actually orange. And while you're at it, can you please make orange and black NotD clothes contain the Bristlebane Day orange as well?

Andok

09-27-2010, 08:52 PM

I don't mind the price of appearance armor on the markplace, but I don't like that I can't trade it between my characters. I would buy a couple of the new armor sets, but the characters that would wear them already have marketplace appearance armor. Since I can't hand down my existing armor down to another charcater, I don't bother.