Recapture change Id like to see.

[jangaladangit]

<p>rather than pushing a mob onto some other tank, Id like recapture to be a perma raidwide low percent hate syphon with a seperate cap than the hate transfer limits from scouts and casters.</p>

[Boli32]

<p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p></blockquote><p>Not saying the suggestion wouldn't be a bit OP but nothing more so then the heal percentages and recast times you guys are QQ for.</p>

[jangaladangit]

<p>It's only overpowered if the percent is too high</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>jangaladangit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's only overpowered if the percent is too high</p></blockquote><p>so raid-wide .1% maybe....</p>

[Jeal]

<p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p></blockquote><p>Not saying the suggestion wouldn't be a bit OP but nothing more so then the heal percentages and recast times you guys are QQ for.</p></blockquote><p>pretty ignorant... our heals do not scale.. we are asking for them to scale.. and its amazing how you ignore non-scaling abilities like stoneskins that are ALWAYS going to outvalue heals when saying something like this.</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>Recapture works fine and should not be changed.  We don't need hate siphons nor 2/3 of the current changes on test.  What we need is our DPS to = that of other tanks.  DPS = aggro not [Removed for Content]-management hate siphons.  We can already cap hate so changing recapture to do anything other than what it is supposed to do (ping pong the mob to another tank at a mem wipe/aggro reset or script required tank change) would defeat the purpose or recapture.   Perhaps other tanks need less insta aggro moves to make re-capture relevant.   We need sustained dps = to an sk nothing less.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Jeal@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p></blockquote><p>Not saying the suggestion wouldn't be a bit OP but nothing more so then the heal percentages and recast times you guys are QQ for.</p></blockquote><p>pretty ignorant... our heals do not scale.. we are asking for them to scale.. and its amazing how you ignore non-scaling abilities like stoneskins that are ALWAYS going to outvalue heals when saying something like this.</p></blockquote><p>Sure put ur heals on our stone skin timers oh and let one of your heals only have a 25% chance of healing you. No one is ignoring the power of our stone skins but they are not a near as available as your heals are and where. So quit making out like they are some kind of giant advantage. We can't even use sphere ATM with out dieing some good that stone skin is huh. Come to think about it, I'll trade you sphere for your reflect since stone skins are so [Removed for Content] good.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Recapture works fine and should not be changed.  We don't need hate siphons nor 2/3 of the current changes on test.  What we need is our DPS to = that of other tanks.  DPS = aggro not [Removed for Content]-management hate siphons.  We can already cap hate so changing recapture to do anything other than what it is supposed to do (ping pong the mob to another tank at a mem wipe/aggro reset or script required tank change) would defeat the purpose or recapture.   Perhaps other tanks need less insta aggro moves to make re-capture relevant.   We need sustained dps = to an sk nothing less.</p></blockquote><p>LoL.</p><p>Ok sure, you need sustained DPS equal to a SK but than you also need all the changes from Test removed and you also need way less save type abilities and the save abilities you do have need to go on much longer recast timers.</p><p>Sounds about right.</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jeal@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p></blockquote><p>Not saying the suggestion wouldn't be a bit OP but nothing more so then the heal percentages and recast times you guys are QQ for.</p></blockquote><p>pretty ignorant... our heals do not scale.. we are asking for them to scale.. and its amazing how you ignore non-scaling abilities like stoneskins that are ALWAYS going to outvalue heals when saying something like this.</p></blockquote><p>Sure put ur heals on our stone skin timers oh and let one of your heals only have a 25% chance of healing you. No one is ignoring the power of our stone skins but they are not a near as available as your heals are and where. So quit making out like they are some kind of giant advantage. We can't even use sphere ATM with out dieing some good that stone skin is huh. Come to think about it, I'll trade you sphere for your reflect since stone skins are so [Removed for Content] good.</p></blockquote><p>They are a huge advantage.  Do you realize how little a Paladins heals will actually make up on a heal parse?  Now consider how much damage stoneskins absorb and you will notice that the stoneskins > > >  heals by a long shot.</p><p>Something else to consider about why stoneskins are so powerful is that they are the first used out of any other heal type ability.  That means your healers reactives and wards are all saved up making the healing load a ton easier to handle.  Heals on the other hand are the last used.  Meaning if you still have stoneskins, wards, and reactives the heal will do nothing, hence nothing most of the time.  As an example of how powerful stoneskins are just look at the Avatar boots from EoF that finally had to be nerfed because they just were always going to be the best in slot.</p><p>As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jeal@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, raid wide PERNAMENT Sigil?... hahaha that's so not asking for anything overpowered. - Sigil itself is pretty [Removed for Content] overpowered but its limited by the group which if you're MTing hard mobs has less generated hate than other groups. So why not?... seems like a good change <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> while you're at it get a nice weapon damage bonus of 100% on your offensive stance and ability to proc spell procs off your CAs. Think that's about it - that should fix everything wrong with the class without going too overboard.</p><p>The trick when asking for things.. is not to go crazy.</p></blockquote><p>Not saying the suggestion wouldn't be a bit OP but nothing more so then the heal percentages and recast times you guys are QQ for.</p></blockquote><p>pretty ignorant... our heals do not scale.. we are asking for them to scale.. and its amazing how you ignore non-scaling abilities like stoneskins that are ALWAYS going to outvalue heals when saying something like this.</p></blockquote><p>Sure put ur heals on our stone skin timers oh and let one of your heals only have a 25% chance of healing you. No one is ignoring the power of our stone skins but they are not a near as available as your heals are and where. So quit making out like they are some kind of giant advantage. We can't even use sphere ATM with out dieing some good that stone skin is huh. Come to think about it, I'll trade you sphere for your reflect since stone skins are so [Removed for Content] good.</p></blockquote><p>They are a huge advantage.  Do you realize how little a Paladins heals will actually make up on a heal parse?  Now consider how much damage stoneskins absorb and you will notice that the stoneskins > > >  heals by a long shot.</p><p>Something else to consider about why stoneskins are so powerful is that they are the first used out of any other heal type ability.  That means your healers reactives and wards are all saved up making the healing load a ton easier to handle.  Heals on the other hand are the last used.  Meaning if you still have stoneskins, wards, and reactives the heal will do nothing, hence nothing most of the time.  As an example of how powerful stoneskins are just look at the Avatar boots from EoF that finally had to be nerfed because they just were always going to be the best in slot.</p><p>As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</p></blockquote><p>Your knowledge of how the game works just astonishes me.</p><p>The current changes on test for sphere and LMS improves these abilities 100%. And Just an FYI sphere isn't 7 triggers that is LMS you rere. </p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</span></p></blockquote><p>Your knowledge of how the game works just astonishes me.</p><p>The current changes on test for sphere and LMS improves these abilities 100%. And Just an FYI sphere isn't 7 triggers that is LMS you rere. </p></blockquote><p>Seriously?</p><p>Was it really that hard to understand?</p><p>Thanks for making yourself look like a tool.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</span></p></blockquote><p>Your knowledge of how the game works just astonishes me.</p><p>The current changes on test for sphere and LMS improves these abilities 100%. And Just an FYI sphere isn't 7 triggers that is LMS you rere. </p></blockquote><p>Seriously?</p><p>Was it really that hard to understand?</p><p>Thanks for making yourself look like a tool.</p></blockquote><p>Actually it isn't at all, if you couldn't see the sarcasm in that your dumber then every one thinks you are. Your the one saying sphere has 7 triggers so looks like your the tool but then again every one on these forums knows this.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>jangaladangit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>rather than pushing a mob onto some other tank, Id like recapture to be a perma raidwide low percent hate syphon with a seperate cap than the hate transfer limits from scouts and casters.</p></blockquote><p>Why not just turn it into a pre-nerf Grave Sacrament at that point?</p><p>They could leave it that way for 18 months as well, then come back and make it what it is on test.  Cause apparently grossly overpowering classes for 1-2 years at a time was Aeralik's idea of class balance <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>/sarcasm</p>

[Bruener]

<p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</span></p></blockquote><p>Your knowledge of how the game works just astonishes me.</p><p>The current changes on test for sphere and LMS improves these abilities 100%. And Just an FYI sphere isn't 7 triggers that is LMS you rere. </p></blockquote><p>Seriously?</p><p>Was it really that hard to understand?</p><p>Thanks for making yourself look like a tool.</p></blockquote><p>Actually it isn't at all, if you couldn't see the sarcasm in that your dumber then every one thinks you are. Your the one saying sphere has 7 triggers so looks like your the tool but then again every one on these forums knows this.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, at first it was funny...now it is getting pathetic.  I have even highlighted what I said to point out how ignorant you are being..so I guess let me just spell it out in big letters for ya.</p><p>WHAT I SAID IN RED IS THAT TO COMPARE ABILITIES LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EQUIVALENT TO COMPARE REFLECT WITH LAST MAN STANDING....YOU KNOW THE ABILITY THAT HAS 7 STONESKIN TRIGGERS.</p><p>Read better.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">As for your last offer it would more have to be trading LMS the new test version for reflect....7 stoneskins that don't trigger unless the damage is significant is better than 40% reduced spell damage.</span></p></blockquote><p>Your knowledge of how the game works just astonishes me.</p><p>The current changes on test for sphere and LMS improves these abilities 100%. And Just an FYI sphere isn't 7 triggers that is LMS you rere. </p></blockquote><p>Seriously?</p><p>Was it really that hard to understand?</p><p>Thanks for making yourself look like a tool.</p></blockquote><p>Actually it isn't at all, if you couldn't see the sarcasm in that your dumber then every one thinks you are. Your the one saying sphere has 7 triggers so looks like your the tool but then again every one on these forums knows this.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, at first it was funny...now it is getting pathetic.  I have even highlighted what I said to point out how ignorant you are being..so I guess let me just spell it out in big letters for ya.</p><p>WHAT I SAID IN RED IS THAT TO COMPARE ABILITIES LIKE THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EQUIVALENT TO COMPARE REFLECT WITH LAST MAN STANDING....YOU KNOW THE ABILITY THAT HAS 7 STONESKIN TRIGGERS.</p><p>Read better.</p></blockquote><p>I said I would trade sphere for your reflect then you said what you said in red which isn't even a trait of sphere you reetard. Are you that [Removed for Content] dumb? Do I need to requote it for you being you can't seem to grasp what I said in the 1st place?</p>

[Bruener]

<p>Such a great representation of the Guard community I guess.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>Bruener wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Such a great representation of the Guard community I guess.</p></blockquote><p>It's ok buddy, I am glad you finally caught on where you went wrong. That is the 1st step.</p>