Sentinel's Fate quest content - My take as a solo player

[Atilla_The_Pun]

<p>I took some time off the game when SF came out. Seems to be a pattern for me.</p><p>When I came back about two months ago, I'd found out that half of my playgroup had left the game, and another quarter is always either raiding with another guild or doing low level content that doesn't hold much for me.</p><p>So I found myself running through the SF content on my own, doing things that I could solo through as an Inquisitor.</p><p>I started at level 80, and as of last night, I am 80% through level 86, and DONE with the soloable overland content.</p><p>Did I miss a continent????</p><p>What....really? With ROK, I could go the full 10 level range and still have stuff left over to do. Same with EoF. Is it just me, or did the overland content for SF just get about 3/4 of what it really needed? Now I'm stuck having to beg for groups to run the instances - and between the other players in my (admittedly small) guild being elsewhere, and the tendency of other players to only want level 90 players to "maximize" an instance....what do I do now? Go back and run blue/green heroic content that I can solo so that I can get to L90?</p><p>Just seems to me that the content in SF falls short of where it needed to be. And don't get me started on the god-awful Hua Mein quests in Sundered Frontier. Whomever thought that doing one quest in serial was fun should be shot.</p><p>Feedback is appreciated. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[TheSpin]

It is true that there weren't enough level 80-90 solo quests added to get you clear to 90. There are a lot more instance quests than other expansions though. Also some new quest lines were added to lower levels.. I think in KoS zones. Not really what else to say beyond that. Obviously grouping is always an option, so is going back with the chronomage feature and doing lower level content.

[Barx]

<p>Did you do all the quests, including the two box quests (where you examine a little box and do repeatables 4x each)? There should be enough quests to get to 87 or 88 purely solo, the rest you can get either by doing repeatables, just killing stuff, going to the Hole (which is essentially a small-group zone), or doing instances.</p><p>You say RoK had enough for 10 levels and more, and yet IIRC back when it came out it didn't, you got through JW either just hitting 80 (if you did a lot of killing) or at only 78 or 79. They added a lot in later. They've added a bit in to SF (those two box quests), and DoV will add L85+ content to completely flesh out T9.</p>

[kdmorse]

<p><span>"Just seems to me that the content in SF falls short of where it needed to be. And don't get me started on the god-awful Hua Mein quests in Sundered Frontier. Whomever thought that doing one quest in serial was fun should be shot."</span></p><p>It's not just the Hua Mein, several of the questlines in SF were tedious beyond belief. </p><p>A) Go get me a rock, it's on the other size of the zone.</p><p>B) Player goes and gets a rock and comes back.</p><p>C) Here, take this new rock, and put it back where you found the first one, on the other side of the zone</p><p>D) Player strangles NPC....</p><p>But with regards to overland quests, there should be enough to get you farther than you are, which makes me suspect you have missed a set of quests somewhere. After the latest batch of quests were added, there should be enough to get you to 88.75 or so.  Either the two box quests (make sure you do them to completion, turn in all 10 sets for a nice robe from each box, and xp), or perhaps the groups of folks hiding in the back of SH.  (I suspect you'd have noticed if you missed a major faction quest line).</p><p>164 quests in SF and 145 in SH, approximatly (My quests completed minus the obviosuly non-solo ones, or the ones that require that you be 90).  If you're far short on either of those numbers, you've probably missed a line somewhere. </p><p>-Ken</p>

[Atilla_The_Pun]

<p>Yeah, I did both box quests, and I made sure to do a runaround of each zone to make sure that I hadn't missed anything. There were some new feathers, but this was mostly the "Hey, go into this instance and get me Y" types of quests.</p><p>I'm beginning to think my mistake was putting my AA/EXP split at an even 50/50 (Default). It would have been wiser for do a 25/75 split, in retrospect.</p>

[kdmorse]

<p><cite>Adanna@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm beginning to think my mistake was putting my AA/EXP split at an even 50/50 (Default). It would have been wiser for do a 25/75 split, in retrospect.</p></blockquote><p>Well "there's your problem!" <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My assumtions (and probably most other folks) as to how far you can get on overland quests alone, assumes the default 100% to XP.  A good amount of AA is still picked up from mobs, quests, and other things that specifically give AA.</p><p>You get yourself to 90 asap, because you need to be 90 to do certain quests, and wear the really good armor.  More AA's then come with time, especially when you're 90, and can do the repeatable quests that give ~15% aa per turn in.</p><p>Set at 50/50, you're to be congradulated for making it as far as you did on overland quests alone....</p><p>-Ken</p>

[Atilla_The_Pun]

<p>Yeah, the more I think about it, that was a real dumb move on my part. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But hey, I have a nice AA count now! I'm pretty sure I went through RoK with a 50/50 split. Hmmm. Ohwell.</p><p>Anyways. There were definitely some areas that felt neglected. The Hua Mein camp in SF needs a total rework. Those serial quests are completely painful. The Library and Pavillion in SH really are interesting areas, but quest wise, you spend 80% of your time in Que'Lule or whatever. Bleh. Deepwater Pavillion is really a beautiful area, but low on overland quest content.</p>

[Uncaged]

<p>I was able to get to 88 on my sk with just solo quests and one run of a Hole instance. I haven't even done the box quests to completion yet. I should be able to get to 90 with np.</p><p>As I recall, When I leveled through RoK on my sk last year, I was only able to get to 78 and had to use Moors to get to 80. When leveling my newish Inquisitor, I am not even out of Fens and have Jarsath and Kunzar to go and am 79. Just goes to show you how much they bumped up exp gain from 20 to 80. By the time I get through SF and such, I should easily hit 90 this time.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I gained a whole level from doing the KoS questline they added with SF. I managed to find enough quests - still to this day- across the entire game, combined with exploration discoveries, collectables, and named mobs, to put me not only to level 90, but to 249 and 67/100ths achievements as well. I still have more than enough named mobs to kill to take me to 250 when I want to hit it.</p><p>I have not turned on Combat XP since it was introduced late in EoF.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Adanna@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah, the more I think about it, that was a real dumb move on my part. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> But hey, I have a nice AA count now! I'm pretty sure I went through RoK with a 50/50 split. Hmmm. Ohwell.</p><p>Anyways. There were definitely some areas that felt neglected. The Hua Mein camp in SF needs a total rework. Those serial quests are completely painful. The Library and Pavillion in SH really are interesting areas, but quest wise, you spend 80% of your time in Que'Lule or whatever. Bleh. Deepwater Pavillion is really a beautiful area, but low on overland quest content.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah there's the problem -- 50% of the combat XP that would have gone to leveling you went to AA instead, that's why you ended up where you were. A split is decent as you level up at the lower end, but IMHO once you hit 80 it's time to lock it at 100% combat XP until you get to 90. You're better off being able to do instances and get AA there (and convert at 90) than having more AAs but being lower level and thus not wanted for instances.</p><p>90 will also be better for grinding AA once they put the change in to keep vitality at L90 (meaning you'll no longer be losing that 200% bonus XP converting to AA).</p>

[Jrral]

<p><cite>Adanna@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah, I did both box quests, and I made sure to do a runaround of each zone to make sure that I hadn't missed anything. There were some new feathers, but this was mostly the "Hey, go into this instance and get me Y" types of quests.</p><p>I'm beginning to think my mistake was putting my AA/EXP split at an even 50/50 (Default). It would have been wiser for do a 25/75 split, in retrospect.</p></blockquote><p>I think the devs assumed that you'd hit 81 or 82 doing RoK and Moors, which obviously won't be the case for veteran players who've already finished those zones. And they assumed you'd be grouping in the upper 80s to do the Hole (which has a bunch of quests in it, especially if you do the faction stuff in there). We really do need to see if we can get a 4th and go rummage around in all 3 legs of the Hole, you'll need at least one leg for the flowing mercury for Epic Repercussions.</p>

[Coho1]

<p>I was soloing to catch up after a lull. I ran out of stuff at 88.</p>

[Novusod]

<p>Quest XP was set too low because many of the groupers didn't want solo'ing to be the fastest way to 90. SF does have some aspect of a forced grouping mechanic. Your best bet if you hate instance runs or can't get a group because you are not 90 is to queue up for Battlegrounds and level in there.</p>

[Maroger]

<p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quest XP was set too low because many of the groupers didn't want solo'ing to be the fastest way to 90. SF does have some aspect of a forced grouping mechanic. Your best bet if you hate instance runs or can't get a group because you are not 90 is to queue up for Battlegrounds and level in there.</p></blockquote><p>I think the forced grouping method is bad for the game.  They need to put in a lot more quests lines -- Kunark at good quest lines and the faction rewards in JW were great. Even RIME was a good quest line if a bit tedious. There is notthing that good in SF and Shadow Oyssey was an expansions that would be best forgotten or deleted. It really stinks - and the outdoor zone is AWFUL.</p>

[Alvane]

<p>Number of quests listed for each tier. T-8 zone quests include individual class quests for fable/mythical weapons plus a few for instance zones such as GUK series. T-9 series include a few epic (raid) quests, but those are minor in numbers.</p><p>T-1 426 quests</p><p>T-2 773 quests</p><p>T-3 665 quests</p><p>T-4 561 quests</p><p>T-5 460 quests</p><p>T-6 365 quests</p><p>T-7 445 quests</p><p>T-8 750 quests</p><p>T-9 969 quests</p><p>Just as a comparison to the OP, I have an 81 defiler with 208AAs who hasn't even finished 1/4 of T-8. I have a 90 warden with 250AAs - all gained through T-9 questing with no raiding. Both characters were at cap with T-8. Neither character grinds their way to cap.</p><p>It's all in the planning of how one decides to level in both XP as well as AA. There are a number of pathways open to every type of playstyle.</p>

[Maroger]

<p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Number of quests listed for each tier. T-8 zone quests include individual class quests for fable/mythical weapons plus a few for instance zones such as GUK series. T-9 series include a few epic (raid) quests, but those are minor in numbers.</p><p>T-1 426 quests</p><p>T-2 773 quests</p><p>T-3 665 quests</p><p>T-4 561 quests</p><p>T-5 460 quests</p><p>T-6 365 quests</p><p>T-7 445 quests</p><p>T-8 750 quests</p><p>T-9 969 quests</p><p>Just as a comparison to the OP, I have an 81 defiler with 208AAs who hasn't even finished 1/4 of T-8. I have a 90 warden with 250AAs - all gained through T-9 questing with no raiding. Both characters were at cap with T-8. Neither character grinds their way to cap.</p><p>It's all in the planning of how one decides to level in both XP as well as AA. There are a number of pathways open to every type of playstyle.</p></blockquote><p>At the higher levels the number of quest your site are misleading -- there are NOT 969 solo quests in T9 - no way no how unless you are being deceptive and counting the TS quests. The T9 quests in THE HOLE are forced grouping quests and I don't count those. Again Kunark was SO MUCH BETTER.</p>

[Tyrus Dracofire]

<p>some zones in Kunark are not soloable, some are scaled shard zones.</p><p>i can barely solo Chardok, but cant do solo on Veskar, and Chelseth? lol! forget it, not soloable.</p><p>castle kandor were all greyed except 1 named and you need maxed AA skills to be able to beat him.</p><p>i switch XP/AA to get to 90 lvl first, then working on AA, i got 245 so far, i was just barely to beat 1 last named in castle kandor.</p><p>i still got lot of "Heroic" quests for Kunark, TSO and The Hole that need to get finish up. finding a group is PITA and finding those with same quests are lot rarer.</p><p>most players are either playing with alts or raidings, or playing other game while waiting for expansion and then gone after clearing some quests or hitting new capped levels or new AA sets.</p><p>we need something to do with older heroic zones when we cant get group, some players dont want it dumbed down, but i felt maybe we just need limited time super buffs for few hours or get "mercenaries" like concept from Guild Wars's henchmen and upgradeable "heroes".</p>

[Gargamel]

<p>Note to OP... you're lame.</p><p>Pre-RoK nobody EVER 'expected' to be able to solo their way through all levels... and the game was way better off for it.</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alvane@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Number of quests listed for each tier. T-8 zone quests include individual class quests for fable/mythical weapons plus a few for instance zones such as GUK series. T-9 series include a few epic (raid) quests, but those are minor in numbers.</p><p>T-1 426 quests</p><p>T-2 773 quests</p><p>T-3 665 quests</p><p>T-4 561 quests</p><p>T-5 460 quests</p><p>T-6 365 quests</p><p>T-7 445 quests</p><p>T-8 750 quests</p><p>T-9 969 quests</p><p>Just as a comparison to the OP, I have an 81 defiler with 208AAs who hasn't even finished 1/4 of T-8. I have a 90 warden with 250AAs - all gained through T-9 questing with no raiding. Both characters were at cap with T-8. Neither character grinds their way to cap.</p><p>It's all in the planning of how one decides to level in both XP as well as AA. There are a number of pathways open to every type of playstyle.</p></blockquote><p>At the higher levels the number of quest your site are misleading -- there are NOT 969 solo quests in T9 - no way no how unless you are being deceptive and counting the TS quests. The T9 quests in THE HOLE are forced grouping quests and I don't count those. Again Kunark was SO MUCH BETTER.</p></blockquote><p>#1 - it ain't my site - just took the info from a public site called wiki to let the OP know there are all sort of possibilities.</p><p>#2 - all I stated was number of quests - they are of all types - some solo, some group, some raid, some dungeon, some class quests, some crafting, some writs, some token quests, some HQs, some sig quests - if you want to break that down - have at it. If you want to count some of them but not all - go for it.</p><p>Any way you look at it, those are the number of quests attributed to each tier. And yea, outside of the original Shattered Lands, IMO, RoK was prolly the best overall expansion with EoF coming in 2nd. I would put SF last just behind TSO. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[TaleraRis]

<p><cite>Gargamel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Note to OP... you're lame.</p><p>Pre-RoK nobody EVER 'expected' to be able to solo their way through all levels... and the game was way better off for it.</p></blockquote><p>Except those of us who've been doing it since launch, you mean. There were times we had thin content and just barely scraped by getting to max, but we were able to do it. After RoK, the game has just gotten more friendly to our playstyle.</p><p>Choice is good.</p>

[Alvane]

<p><cite>Tyrus@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>some zones in Kunark are not soloable, some are scaled shard zones.</p><p>i can barely solo Chardok, but cant do solo on Veskar, and Chelseth? lol! forget it, not soloable.</p><p>castle kandor were all greyed except 1 named and you need maxed AA skills to be able to beat him.</p><p>i switch XP/AA to get to 90 lvl first, then working on AA, i got 245 so far, i was just barely to beat 1 last named in castle kandor.</p></blockquote><p>I presume, though I maybe wrong, you mean Karnor Castle in KP? KC was famous for farming all the names - at level. And many times, one would see duo team as well as one character doing the farming.</p><p>Chelsith was another infamous farming zone. Personally I farmed Chelsith at level as a duo many times, well before TSO was released. I also personally know several peeps who used Chelsith to pwr level up alts in both XP & AA.</p><p>If you can't solo the above at level 90, then I suggest you use chronomage and work the T-7 zones and below for your AAs.</p>

[Maroger]

<p>Part of the problem is the two really WORST producers worked on TSO and SF - as a result the quests stink and the expanions are very small when compared to EOF and SF.</p><p>TSO and SF are simply very poor expansions and poorly planned and designed.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p>I had this same problem as the OP when the expansion first came out. From 86 to 90 i had to grind erudites in the ruins and do the repeatable quest to kill the spiders below it on the lower tainted island. I hated it... And yea there is definitely not 969 soloable quests for T9. Someone is obviously counting ALL quests, which include epic, heroic, and tradeskill.</p>

[hansomepete]

<p>Well as a recently dinged solo warlock I can tell you it can be done, but your an inquistor. Warlock deals out much damage, Inquistor not so much. I would think a healer especialy a plate one would not have an issue picking up a group. Most of the guys I played with left the game awhile ago and just have not found that group again. I will say on Oasis we had a open raid "guild" see's like one started again called the NRA. They are pretty good but spots get taken fast. Seem slike a bunh of solo'ers and people in guilds that want to raid but don't want the hard core raid guild. It think it's a great idea myself.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>hansomepete wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well as a recently dinged solo warlock I can tell you it can be done, but your an inquistor. Warlock deals out much damage, Inquistor not so much. I would think a healer especialy a plate one would not have an issue picking up a group. Most of the guys I played with left the game awhile ago and just have not found that group again. I will say on Oasis we had a open raid "guild" see's like one started again called the NRA. They are pretty good but spots get taken fast. Seem slike a bunh of solo'ers and people in guilds that want to raid but don't want the hard core raid guild. It think it's a great idea myself.</p></blockquote><p>Inquisitors, Mysitics, and Wardens pretty much all have ot go melee spec for them to do decent damage. Thats just how i see it though. Spell casted attacks take so long and use so much power, when you could go into AAs and add to the CAs and do more damage with less power. I seen some warlocks in action. They can pretty much blow a place up. Just during groups and raids if they go overboard they pay a heavy price. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>