Evil Roehn Theer

[slippery]

<p>What are the chances of getting some of those other weapons that had floated around put on Theers table? Then having it drop a charm, a weapon, the bp's, and then 3 rune loot as applicable.</p><p>The charms, while amazing, don't feel like it should be all you get from the expansion boss. The bp's are marginal upgrades at best, and worse in some cases due to different effects. (I still maintain that T3 BP's should have more than 20 crit mit).</p>

[Kander]

<p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p>

[Gaige]

<p>Don't apologize Kander we still love you a lot.</p>

[Jeal]

3 rune wrist PLUS 4 rune loot pls <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Boise]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Any other items getting a redo?</p>

[thog_zork]

<p><cite>Boise wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Any other items getting a redo?</p></blockquote><p>most other t3 need also  a look at ..</p>

[circusgirl]

<p><cite>thog_zork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boise wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Any other items getting a redo?</p></blockquote><p>most other t3 need also  a look at ..</p></blockquote><p>The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.</p>

[Alfeo]

<p><cite>Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.</p></blockquote><p>This is true, the difficulty difference between Ark and the other hard modes (Hole and 4RT exempted) is pretty major. I'm sure that fact becomes evident if one compares how many times Ark has been killed vs Toxx, Waansu, Twins, Maalus and Sages. If loot off mobs is supposed to scale with difficulty, I would imagine the t3 gloves could be a little bit better than they are now. The t3 chest buff though is definitely a very welcome change, can't wait to see some of the new things that are gonna be put on those chest pieces.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>thog_zork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Boise wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Any other items getting a redo?</p></blockquote><p>most other t3 need also  a look at ..</p></blockquote><p>The gloves are pretty lackluster considering how hard Ark is too.</p></blockquote><p>The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole</p>

[slippery]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?</p><p>Can't blame a man for trying!</p>

[Alfeo]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The gloves are fine considering you can get them off Klaaktuus, a much easier mob and that T4 gloves are dropping off the first named in wing three of The Hole</p></blockquote><p>It's interesting that you say that while playing on AB , one of the servers that recently had a hardware upgrade to fix alot of the lag people experience in overworld zones. I can give you stories about how bad the lag can get on Najena and what messed up things that have happened on our pulls because of it if you like though. Not to mention for most servers I'd imagine HM Klaak is pretty much on farm status by one guild, the one most willing to put up with the lag and to wait it out and usually the most progressed one with the best gear. So to suggest that the gloves are easily accessible is misleading imo. Gloves are ,hands down, the hardest piece to get besides the chest.</p><p>But it is a fair point that perhaps they dont need an upgrade because there is a better version in them that drops off XYZ in the hole. </p>

[Kander]

<p><cite>slippery wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?</p><p>Can't blame a man for trying!</p></blockquote><p>The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.</p><p>So no. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[slippery]

Cheater using future art! <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Stubbswick]

<p>So we'll be fighting Kraytoc Killingfrost next expansion?</p><p>Sweet... time for payback for making me grind 100k faction.</p>

[Lantis]

<p>Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?</p></blockquote><p>Should be a hotfix, there's no reason they'd have to wait 3 months to make those changes, they're mainly just updating existing items.</p>

[Gaige]

<p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?</p></blockquote><p>Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated.</p>

[Shizune]

<p>Maybe any chance of adding a 2 hander that all fighters could use on the loot table?</p>

[Peraud]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>slippery wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?</p><p>Can't blame a man for trying!</p></blockquote><p>The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.</p><p>So no. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>So, instead of the SC armor (which is green) we'll be getting the excact same model only in blue, but this time from in-game drops. . . cool!!</p>

[Lantis]

<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any idea if the updated RT loot will land in an hotfix, or in the next GU?</p></blockquote><p>Its only 4RT loot that is getting updated.</p></blockquote><p>The mob that virtually nobody is killing right now?  Meh.</p><p>Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.</p>

[Gaige]

<p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.</p></blockquote><p>Its easymode loot is fine.  The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.</p>

[Lantis]

<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.</p></blockquote><p>Its easymode loot is fine.  The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.</p></blockquote><p>Here's an example of what I meant:</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=133d6cd31abd6d04b097a683420993fe" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe</a></p><p>upgraded to:</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=904fd07b829def208ccf67b631b2cf29" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29</a></p><p>The difference between the two is minimal.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Its easier modes loot also need looking at - some of it is pretty much the same stats as the previous tier, except with an extra 1% here and there.</p></blockquote><p>Its easymode loot is fine.  The bracelets are one of the best for the slot and the BPs are good enough for the challenge and allow you to kill the hardest version of him which will get you the upgraded BPs.</p></blockquote><p>Here's an example of what I meant:</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=133d6cd31abd6d04b097a683420993fe" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe</a></p><p>upgraded to:</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=904fd07b829def208ccf67b631b2cf29" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29</a></p><p>The difference between the two is minimal.</p></blockquote><p>I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=04a1ab90f5e480a7f419987ed85bd5a6" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=e5cee7533e6292c863a60231fd1fc359" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359</a></p>

[Lantis]

<p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Here's an example of what I meant:</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=133d6cd31abd6d04b097a683420993fe" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...097a683420993fe</a></p><p>upgraded to:</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=904fd07b829def208ccf67b631b2cf29" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...ccf67b631b2cf29</a></p><p>The difference between the two is minimal.</p></blockquote><p>I don't see what the big deal is. All T1 - T2 upgrades are similar.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=04a1ab90f5e480a7f419987ed85bd5a6" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...419987ed85bd5a6</a></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=e5cee7533e6292c863a60231fd1fc359" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2...3a60231fd1fc359</a></p></blockquote><p>It's the progression rate.  The difference between the two is so minimal, that you might as well have skipped them, and jumped right at the next level of itemization progression.</p>

[Gaige]

<p>T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though.</p>

[Gormak]

<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>T1 and T2 is all easymode loot though.</p></blockquote><p>I agree here.</p><p>If outside of the reported changes to 4R-RT gear, i might support someone coming forward and suggesting for a greater jump in benefit from going from T2 to T3 gear across the board. But the easy mode loot is perfectly fine TBH.</p><p>Personally im actually finding *most* (not all) of the T3 armor/clothing pieces dont offer the same net gain the player gets when they upgrade from an "easy mode" jewlery/accessory slot to a hard mode jewlery/accessory. The gains to be seen on those are tangible and significant.</p><p>The T3 armorpieces, generally not so much.</p>

[Syndarin]

<p>You added 5 crit mit and stigmatic frenzy 3 to everything. SWEET UPGRADE >_></p>

[Morghus]

<p>Lol the Archaic  has no ability mod, no reuse and doesn't appear to have Stigmatic Frenzy at all which would make the summoner version which also does not have ability mod better for all mages. If that doesn't change I see most mages wearing the Baleful robe and pants and Archaic everything else.</p>

[Syndarin]

<p><img src="http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4488/robes.jpg" width="609" height="532" />Seriously? Didn't even throw on stigmatic frenzy.</p>

[Alfeo]

<p>I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.</p>

[Kander]

<p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.</p></blockquote><p>Its not, I have to change it to King's Legacy III. I am still making some changes. l</p>

[slippery]

I was really hoping for something more creative then a buff that isn't going to stack with the gear we already have and some crit chance. I do appreciate the crit mit though (and I think the cuffs and gloves from underfoot should have 15 crit mit instead of 12).

[Morghus]

<p>I have to agree with the stacking, and I also have to ask if the Archaic pants and now possibly robe are still going to be worse than the Baleful equivalents and why. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Malicorp]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.</p></blockquote><p>Its not, I have to change it to King's Legacy III. I am still making some changes. l</p></blockquote><p>Would it be out of the question to get something less generic on the endgame BP of an expansion off the featured boss? I'm sorry, but King's Legacy III doesn't inspire the a whole lot of excitement. Maybe they'll perform better than they look to everyone right now <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Alfeo]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm curious, the wording on stigmatic frenzy says it casts the buff on the target of spell cast. The only stig frenzy item I knew of before they were added to the t3 chests was the healer shield off Hoaarastus in the hole and I've not gotten to test that but I'm wondering how this proc is gonna work for tanks/dps.</p></blockquote><p>Its not, I have to change it to King's Legacy III. I am still making some changes. l</p></blockquote><p>Ah this makes sense. I figured either they had to be incomplete or the wording on the proc was misleading.</p>

[Korrupt]

<p>Kings Legacy is a horrible proc to put on it. How about placing something on the item that stacks with other gear or a new effect altogether(interrupt immunity please)?</p>

[Jeal]

anything but a proc that doesn't stack with gear that everyone in the raid should have by the time you kill this guy :/

[Shrag]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>slippery wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?</p><p>Can't blame a man for trying!</p></blockquote><p>The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.</p><p>So no. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Oh thats fantastic because look, its already up for station cash!</p><p><img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/raloorn/kander.jpg" /></p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Shrag wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>slippery wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The breastplates from Theer are going to get upgraded to more of a T4 quality. Much better effects as well. Soon.</p><p>This should have been done a lot earlier, but it did not.</p><p>My apologies.</p></blockquote><p>Can we get that Axe in your sig added to the table?</p><p>Can't blame a man for trying!</p></blockquote><p>The axe and that exact armor will be dropping in the next expansion, only in a certain raid zone.</p><p>So no. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Oh thats fantastic because look, its already up for station cash!</p><p><img src="http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/raloorn/kander.jpg" /></p></blockquote><p>But it will be blue OMG that is a huge difference</p>

[slippery]

Thank you for the fact that the weapons are a separate drop chance so that you see 3bp, 1 charm, 1 wrist, and then have a chance at a weapon. It would be really nice to see the drop chance of the scout bp lowered. We are at 4 kills now, we have seen it every single time (along with 3 Bestial, 2 Hulking, 1 each tank and dps brawler, and a chain healer). Let me put it this way, the scout one has the highest drop chance according to zam. 20%. That is one in 5. It drops 3 bp's. How often are you not going to get that 1 in 5 roll in 3 chances? The RNG is streaky, we all know it. The day I get 3 Venemous (bound to happen, it has happened on every other mob, and only with Venemous) I'm going to kill someone. I understand that you wanted to give the scout one a higher drop rate because there are generally going to be more scouts that can use it, but at a minimum you should bring it down to the drop chance of Archaic.

[Gaige]

<p>How about we don't nerf the scout one until I get it, thanks.</p>

[slippery]

5 Kills, Venomous in each chest. Lower the drop chance please. raise Baleful 5% that you take from Venomous.

[ThomasCH]

<p>Out of curiousity. How many weapons did you guys get so far, Arabel?</p><p>Just trying to get the idea of their drop rate. If its set to be the same as the bows from HM's or maybe even less.</p>

[slippery]

<p>1 Enoxus so far. The weapons are an additional drop chance, 12.5% each.</p><p>No fighter charm, Aeteok, or Revered, Archaic, or Baleful bp's.</p>

[slippery]

2 more Venemous bp's on kill 6. Up to 7 now. Grats alts and app's, still haven't seen a mage or plate healer bp! As if every other mob with the ridiculous drop rate on the scout patterns wasn't enough. It really needs to be adjusted. It cannot be a 1/5 chance, because it is pretty much a guarantee to always get one.