With 4 Rune Theer Down...

[Sydares]

<p>Can someone post the cinematic dialogue? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rixan]

<p>Fyr'remd Lorak says, "Behold! The Sentinel of Balance laid low by a mere band of adventurers! Have you really fallen so far, Theer?"</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "What? Who...I remember you and your treacherous ways. How did you even get here?"</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "What? Who...NO! You?! What are you doing here? How did you even get here?"</p><p>Fyr'remd Lorak says, "Tis of no import how I got here. However, the why of it is ever so much more tantalizing. In such a weakened state, why, there's nothing you can do to prevent me from..."</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "AAHHHUURGGHH!!!"</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "NOOOOOO!!!!"</p><p>Fyr'remd Lorak says, "Ahhh, yes. YES! Your power, Godslayer, is now mine. Nothing can stand before me and this world's destiny: A Second Age of Scale!"</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "Rip that monstrosity  limb from limb."</p><p>Roehn Theer says, "Please...you must...stop him."</p>

[Sydares]

<p>Awesome, thanks. :3</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>So <em>that's</em> Kerafyrm's plan. It's a LOT more devious than we were led to believe in the Search for Lucan series!</p>

[Nebbeny]

Huh, I thought that is exactly what we were led to believe? That he is taking Roehn's power, which is bound to his swords. Am I missing something from that text because other than Roehn asking us to rip him limb from limb and stop him, i dont really see anything unexpected. On another note, I wonder if Roehn lives through that? Will the gods band up again and banish him once more, or will he help us plot against The Sleeper. Either way, interesting stuff.

[Rixan]

<p>Fyr'remd Lorak = anagram for Lord Kerafyrm = implies that it is possibly the endgame boss for Velious = Velious being last expansion before EQ2 dies probably.</p>

[Pervis]

<p><cite>Rixan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Fyr'remd Lorak = anagram for Lord Kerafyrm = implies that it is possibly the endgame boss for Velious = Velious being last expansion before EQ2 dies probably.</p></blockquote><p>Possible.</p><p>Will be a shame to raid through the entire game, and miss out on the last expansion...</p><p>Oh well...</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Nebbeny wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Huh, I thought that is exactly what we were led to believe? That he is taking Roehn's power, which is bound to his swords. Am I missing something from that text because other than Roehn asking us to rip him limb from limb and stop him, i dont really see anything unexpected. On another note, I wonder if Roehn lives through that? Will the gods band up again and banish him once more, or will he help us plot against The Sleeper. Either way, interesting stuff.</blockquote><p>Roehn is begging us to stop Kerafyrm, who is the person who just stole his power. He intends to eradicate all life on Norrath (and the planes if the gods interfere) so that the Dragons will once again control the planet... more specifically, that he is controlling the dragons.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>Mmm Lots of dragon slaying in our future.</p><p>This will either be the end of the age of scale or the end of norrath.Personally I would be happy if we just  fight the sleeper and reimprison him repower rhoen theer, remove the gods from norrath and EQ2 officially ands its lore and  then EQ3 comes out. This would not happen although, it should.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Mmm Lots of dragon slaying in our future.</p><p>This will either be the end of the age of scale or the end of norrath.Personally I would be happy if we just  fight the sleeper and reimprison him repower rhoen theer, remove the gods from norrath and EQ2 officially ands its lore and  then EQ3 comes out. This would not happen although, it should.</p></blockquote><p>Well, the Age of Scale ended a long time ago. We've been in the Age of Destiny for the past few years now.</p><p>I know what you're trying to say though. It's either going to be the end of Norrath as we know it, or it will mean that the Dragons will no longer be a formidable presence in Norrath. Zebuxoruk profecied that the Age of Dragons was coming to an end, and the last few expansions where we have killed dragons has seen to that.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>There was much dragon slaying in the Scars of Velious expansion.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Mmm Lots of dragon slaying in our future.</p><p>This will either be the end of the age of scale or the end of norrath.Personally I would be happy if we just  fight the sleeper and reimprison him repower rhoen theer, remove the gods from norrath and EQ2 officially ands its lore and  then EQ3 comes out. This would not happen although, it should.</p></blockquote><p>Well, the Age of Scale ended a long time ago. We've been in the Age of Destiny for the past few years now.</p><p>I know what you're trying to say though. It's either going to be the end of Norrath as we know it, or it will mean that the Dragons will no longer be a formidable presence in Norrath. Zebuxoruk profecied that the Age of Dragons was coming to an end, and the last few expansions where we have killed dragons has seen to that.</p></blockquote><p>Ya i meant the end of the age of dragons not scale.</p><p>I have a feeling the majority of dragons in norrath will officially be killed off after velious.</p><p>There however are good dragons I suspect will still be around for an extended period of time even after we deal with the sleeper. For instance vrewwx is considered a good dragon, but the majority of them will be dead.</p>

[Triasa]

<p>Hmmm...  this might be why Rallos Zek will be involved with Velious, an attempt to stop Kerafyrm.</p><p>My gut feeling is that Kerafyrm's out to destroy the pantheon.  They're the only beings powerful enough to pose a threat (although he has the upper hand now), and I feel that he would do it just to demonstrate to Norrath that he can.  Setting himself up as the sole diety of Norrath would be right up his alley.  I don't see him tolerating the other gods, nor do I see them tolerating him.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>bleh... more dragon slaying? i would hope to be working with the dragons to stop him. he really wasent well liked aside from his small group of followers, all others oposed.</p><p>dragons power waneing might not mean their end, just that wont be able to keep denying the power of the other races.</p><p>still might be some willing to work with later on, there is the one in vastly deep after all, why not more like her?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmmm...  this might be why Rallos Zek will be involved with Velious, an attempt to stop Kerafyrm.</p><p>My gut feeling is that Kerafyrm's out to destroy the pantheon.  They're the only beings powerful enough to pose a threat (although he has the upper hand now), and I feel that he would do it just to demonstrate to Norrath that he can.  Setting himself up as the sole diety of Norrath would be right up his alley.  I don't see him tolerating the other gods, nor do I see them tolerating him.</p></blockquote><p>Nah that write-up is incorrect. It's not the God of War that we'll be facing on Velious, it's the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6416" target="_blank">Avatar of War</a>, one of the most famous raid mobs on Velious who lived deep inside the arena in the Giant city of Kael Drakkel.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmmm...  this might be why Rallos Zek will be involved with Velious, an attempt to stop Kerafyrm.</p><p>My gut feeling is that Kerafyrm's out to destroy the pantheon.  They're the only beings powerful enough to pose a threat (although he has the upper hand now), and I feel that he would do it just to demonstrate to Norrath that he can.  Setting himself up as the sole diety of Norrath would be right up his alley.  I don't see him tolerating the other gods, nor do I see them tolerating him.</p></blockquote><p>I think kerafyrm is out to destroy EVERYONE that is not a dragon/dragonkin and loyal to him. There were alot of dragons that felt mortal races were a plague on dragonkind.</p><p>So far the sleeper has the cult of awakened loyal to him that we know of. The ring of scale afaik was NOT loyal to the sleeper.Nor WAS the temple of veeshan dragons.</p><p>I can see a few more dragons in NTOV loyal to the sleeper unless kerafyrm already took it over then whomever else is there is probably loyal to him.  </p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmmm...  this might be why Rallos Zek will be involved with Velious, an attempt to stop Kerafyrm.</p><p>My gut feeling is that Kerafyrm's out to destroy the pantheon.  They're the only beings powerful enough to pose a threat (although he has the upper hand now), and I feel that he would do it just to demonstrate to Norrath that he can.  Setting himself up as the sole diety of Norrath would be right up his alley.  I don't see him tolerating the other gods, nor do I see them tolerating him.</p></blockquote><p>Nah that write-up is incorrect. It's not the God of War that we'll be facing on Velious, it's the <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6416" target="_blank">Avatar of War</a>, one of the most famous raid mobs on Velious who lived deep inside the arena in the Giant city of Kael Drakkel.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, good to know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nebbeny]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Nebbeny wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Huh, I thought that is exactly what we were led to believe? That he is taking Roehn's power, which is bound to his swords. Am I missing something from that text because other than Roehn asking us to rip him limb from limb and stop him, i dont really see anything unexpected. On another note, I wonder if Roehn lives through that? Will the gods band up again and banish him once more, or will he help us plot against The Sleeper. Either way, interesting stuff.</blockquote><p>Roehn is begging us to stop Kerafyrm, who is the person who just stole his power. He intends to eradicate all life on Norrath (and the planes if the gods interfere) so that the Dragons will once again control the planet... more specifically, that he is controlling the dragons.</p></blockquote><p>Aye, that much isn't a surprise and pretty much what I expected to happen, I look forward to the day my guild manages to kill 4RT so I can see the cutscene myself, i was just wondering what Xalmat found to be more devious than we were led to believe.</p><p>Also find it interesting that Roehn knows The Sleeper already, was Roehn banished after The Sleeper was born?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Nebbeny wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Also find it interesting that Roehn knows The Sleeper already, was Roehn banished after The Sleeper was born?</p></blockquote><p>That is a very good question. We don't know exactly how old Kerafyrm is, when he was born, or how long he existed as a general among the ranks of the Claws of Veeshan before he was put to sleep, since Norrath's history seems to work better when specific dates are not given. We also don't know just when RT was banished.</p><p>Maybe it's possible that Fyr'remd Lorak somehow found a way to get in contact with Theer sometime in the past, at least enough for RT to figure out who he was.</p><p>Maybe after Kerafyrm finished his rampage across Velious, found a way to cross into other dimensions and explore Ultera and the Void for a while during the time of his absence.</p><p>I wonder if we'll ever find out the answers to these theories?</p>

[Cronyn]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if we'll ever find out the answers to these theories?</p></blockquote><p>Only if you're REALLY nice and send me cookies.</p>

[Vinyard]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if we'll ever find out the answers to these theories?</p></blockquote><p>Only if you're REALLY nice and send me cookies.</p></blockquote><p>/sends Cronyn a box of ale flavored cookies.</p>

[Nebbeny]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Maybe it's possible that Fyr'remd Lorak somehow found a way to get in contact with Theer sometime in the past, at least enough for RT to figure out who he was.</p><p>Maybe after Kerafyrm finished his rampage across Velious, found a way to cross into other dimensions and explore Ultera and the Void for a while during the time of his absence.</p><p>I wonder if we'll ever find out the answers to these theories?</p></blockquote><p>Was explaining the lore of this expansion to a recently returned friend and on the subject of Kerafyrm I got the idea that maybe what he needs the swords power for is so he can go dimension hopping.  To me Roehn would seem like a bit of a weak person in charge of balance if he couldn't cross dimensions and find the god he needed to hunt down, so why couldn't he simly escape the void?  Also seems that being able to dimension hop would make it easier for Kerafyrm to find Veeshan where ever she is.  But thats just my thoughts on the matter, I dont know of any information ingame that would substantiate that.</p><p>Also, /target Cronyn , /Cookie (that needs to be an ingame emote <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p>

[Syndarin]

<p>More important here, we were told something much cooler then Avatars comes when Rohen Theer dies.Lore is not more awesome than Avatars.What a let down <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Vinyard]

<p><cite>Syndarin@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>More important here, we were told something much cooler then Avatars comes when Rohen Theer dies.Lore is not more awesome than Avatars.What a let down <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Maybe he needs to be downed on all servers?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Syndarin@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>More important here, we were told something much cooler then Avatars comes when Rohen Theer dies.Lore is not more awesome than Avatars.What a let down <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Wait, what?</p><p>Ok, what are you talking about here?</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p>I think he's saying something similar to when Anashti Sul was killed for the first time, it unlocks her as an avatar and diety.  Supposedly killing 4 Rune Theer was supposed to unlock something cooler than the avatars?  Although that's news to me.</p>

[Jait]

<p>Maybe Dragons will start popping. </p><p>The Sleeper should have the power to rez a few of the long lost dead ones as well <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Or so I would hope.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>He promised Harla Dar that he could bring back her husband and son back from the dead, but has yet to show that he's even capable of doing such a thing. I don't think we'll be seeing any dead dragons coming back to life. Many of them out there were his enemies anyway.</p>

[Morghus]

<p>I would be very surprised if Kerafyrm shows genuine real altruistic action towards other dragons without some strings attached. They may technically be of his race but they are still "less than he is".</p><p>He has never really been about elevating dragonkind to power, so much as ruling over dragonkind as a would be god. The destruction of all us "lesser" races and our gods to bring about a second age of scale would not be done for the benefit of dragonkind, so much as a personal desire of his to be rid of all of us.</p><p>If we were powerful enough to awaken him, we are powerful enough to put him back. Dragonkind alone could never do so without our help due to their race's constant stagnation and weakening of power. By delivering the power of the Godslayer to him we are no longer of any use to him any longer and may as well be viewed as a possible threat or future foil.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Draconian law states that no dragon may ever harm another. I could easily see that law being broken as an exception just to take down Kerafyrm and end his life. Dragons and adventurers, teaming up together.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Draconian law states that no dragon may ever harm another. I could easily see that law being broken as an exception just to take down Kerafyrm and end his life. Dragons and adventurers, teaming up together.</p></blockquote><p>Unlikely in my opinion. Dragonkind's strict adherence to their own laws and beliefs are the very thing that is causing their continual downfall.</p><p>Their unfaltering arrogance, pride, absolute belief in their own superiority, and inability to "change with the times" is one of the only things that have held them back for this long...I do not see that changing.</p><p>Kerafyrm will either be put back to sleep again like he was in eqlive, only to possibly be awakened again by a future generation, or somehow killed by us alone so that the The Claws don't have to get "their own claws" dirty.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The possibility that they finally wake up and smell the coffee exists. Even though we are the ones who have slowly but surely placed dragon-kind on the Endangered Species list, I think the Claws of Veeshan may finally realize that we could just as easily kill them if we wanted, and Kerafyrm wouldn't give it a 2nd thought to kill them either if they so much as look at him wrong.</p><p>If I were put in that situation, I would make a temporary alliance with the mortals to take out a greater threat first. If they want to stab me in the back afterwards, then I would deal with that as it comes.</p>

[Morghus]

<p>Klandicar was the only dragon in eqlive who truly realized what dragonkind needed to do in order to dig their way out of their own hole, and unless he or those like him have been elevated to some position of authority over the years, particularly in the decision making area, I just don't see it happening.</p><p>I would not be at all surprised if dragons are eradicated by the time Kerafyrm's fate is decided. I have a feeling that with their weakness, many would take the easy path of "being at the devil's side rather than in his way" just for the smallest hope that their race will be returned to their former position of power before the "interloping gods and their creations" came.</p>

[Nebbeny]

Aren't there dragons out there that have broken their laws already, not a stretch really to see some doing so again. We've already been aided by Delahnus, so we know 1 form of how a dragon can help us, plus we've been told that she has further roles to play. Would be interesting to see a dragon get their claws dirty directly, a sort of tag team fight where at certain % they dive in and try to take Kera down, while we hold off other dragons loyal to Kera, then once the dragons are down, we switch back to holding Kera etc. Good times, wish Timetraveling was still with SoE to design the final raid with him, he's showed superb skill in the Roehn fight.

[Morghus]

<p>Not that I can recall. The only one that I can think of was Darathar killing Vox, and even then he technically didn't kill her as it was his Drakota that did it.</p>

[Nebbeny]

Is not being allowed to harm another dragon the only law they have? Isn't what naggy and vox did something that went against law, and the birth of the sleeper himself. Or are those only traditions that were broken?

[Morghus]

<p>It was one of the laws, and both Nagafen and Vox were imprisoned and outcast from the rest of their society for first attempting it, and were both to be killed by the Drakota for later commiting it. Although I believe the second part may have been an act of vigilantism by Darathar.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I expect we'll be seeing Zlandicar again in part 2 of Velious. He was banished because he took to cannibalism, which not only breaks another dragon law, but breaks the "no harming another" law in the process.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>Interestingly Klandicar and Zlandicar are the only two First Brood dragons likely to have survived Kerafyrm's rampage through Skyshrine and ToV given they're the only first brood who didn't live in either of those zones.  I doubt Zlandicar would be welcome back with open arms, but Klandicar could make a legitimate claim to leadership of the Claws of Veeshan.</p><p>I hope we see the one who taught Kerafyrm all he knows, Kildrukaun the Ancient.  I REALLY wanna beat Kildrukaun down like a two bit training dummy.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Even though she dropped her brood and moved on, (seemingly totally indifferent to gods, mortals and dragons alike), I have a feeling Veeshan has not vanished for good or forever.</p><p>I would guess that sometime, somewhere there is going to have to be a showdown between Vesshan and Kerafyrm.  Just saying....</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p>

[lostsandman]

<p><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>During the fan fair, someone asked about new gods and I think the dev reply was that we will be getting new god to worship but they can't reveal who they are since that will spoil the lore. Anyone else think the new god may even be Veeshan given the current lore with Kerafyrm?</p>

[EndevorX]

<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Why wouldn't Nagafen lay down a can of whoop ace on Lord Kerafyrm? =[</span></p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Seliri@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Why wouldn't Nagafen lay down a can of whoop ace on Lord Kerafyrm? =[</span></p></blockquote><p>Because Nagafen isn't a mutant abomination of a dragon, and isn't anywhere near him power wise. Nagafen may have prismatic eggs, but we don't know if they have hatched yet, and I doubt a new born dragon, prismatic or otherwise can do anything to a fully matured one like Kerafyrm. Imagine dragons like a group of normal people of different strengths etc, and then imagine, all of a sudden one of them is born that might as well be superman in comparison to everyone else.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Drona@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>During the fan fair, someone asked about new gods and I think the dev reply was that we will be getting new god to worship but they can't reveal who they are since that will spoil the lore. Anyone else think the new god may even be Veeshan given the current lore with Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>i would LOVE this, but am not going to get hopes up.</p>

[Barx]

<p>Veeshan as a diety would be interesting. Although you could worship her in EQ1, IIRC she didn't really care for humanoid worshippers, so that would make blessings / miracles a bit odd unless they make Veeshan care about humanoids in a more positive way.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Drona@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>During the fan fair, someone asked about new gods and I think the dev reply was that we will be getting new god to worship but they can't reveal who they are since that will spoil the lore. Anyone else think the new god may even be Veeshan given the current lore with Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>If the heart-shaped window briefly seen in the preview trailer is any indication, then we're going to get Erollisi Marr back and a restored Plane of Love to balance out the Good dieties.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drona@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>During the fan fair, someone asked about new gods and I think the dev reply was that we will be getting new god to worship but they can't reveal who they are since that will spoil the lore. Anyone else think the new god may even be Veeshan given the current lore with Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>If the heart-shaped window briefly seen in the preview trailer is any indication, then we're going to get Erollisi Marr back and a restored Plane of Love to balance out the Good dieties.</p></blockquote><p>who says its going to be Erollsi Marr? gods have been replaced before, could be a new god of love entirely.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p>

[Cronyn]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p></blockquote><p>Um, yeah, Cronynus - god of Ale.</p><p>Don't put it past me.</p>

[Uncaged]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p></blockquote><p>Um, yeah, Cronynus - god of Ale.</p><p>Don't put it past me.</p></blockquote><p>Or could be a worshipable Kerafyrm........you never know.  Honestly, I would be down for worshiping the god of Ale though  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Drona@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wubbah@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think at this point Veeshan is pretty much the only one who can stop him.  I guess in theory we can too (just as he told us we could defeat Theer, because his powers only insta-killed gods), but it would be crazy hard.</p><p>Although... we haven't heard from Mayong in a while.  Basically since the end of RoK.  Wonder what he's been up to, since the whole end-of-days shissar calendar thing seemed pretty dang important to him back then.  Is there any chance that he could help us stop Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>During the fan fair, someone asked about new gods and I think the dev reply was that we will be getting new god to worship but they can't reveal who they are since that will spoil the lore. Anyone else think the new god may even be Veeshan given the current lore with Kerafyrm?</p></blockquote><p>If the heart-shaped window briefly seen in the preview trailer is any indication, then we're going to get Erollisi Marr back and a restored Plane of Love to balance out the Good dieties.</p></blockquote><p>While it could very possibly have something to do with the Plane of Love, something about that scene struck me as being a room in ToFS.  I could be completly off base but that was just my initial instinct.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p></blockquote><p>Um, yeah, Cronynus - god of Ale.</p><p>Don't put it past me.</p></blockquote><p>So you're going to replace Erollisi Marr by taking over Brell Serilis' domain? You wanna run that by me again?</p>

[Cronyn]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p></blockquote><p>Um, yeah, Cronynus - god of Ale.</p><p>Don't put it past me.</p></blockquote><p>So you're going to replace Erollisi Marr by taking over Brell Serilis' domain? You wanna run that by me again?</p></blockquote><p>*sigh* Fine, I won't.  Luckily I have a soft spot for Erollisi Marr.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I would make an awesome god of ale, though.  Just sayin'.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I thought Britlebane already staked out ale. </p><p>I think the only thing not taken is stout, because only a gnoll (or an Irishman) could endure it. (Gawdawful stuff)</p>

[Sydares]

<p>I would kill for more worshippable gods and demigods.</p><p>Luclin and Saryrn. Just putting that out there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Sydares]

<p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not that I can recall. The only one that I can think of was Darathar killing Vox, and even then he technically didn't kill her as it was his Drakota that did it.</p></blockquote><p>Uh. Kerafyrm's canonical slaying of Yelinak seems to come to mind. Where are you guys even pulling this 'law' from?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I would make an awesome god of ale, though.  Just sayin'.</p></blockquote><p>No argument there.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you honestly think they'll introduce a new god after the 11 years that <strong>a lot</strong> (and I'm not just refering to me here, I'm serious) of roleplayers have wanted to meet and interact with in game - ALIVE - ever since Everquest first started?</p></blockquote><p>Um, yeah, Cronynus - god of Ale.</p><p>Don't put it past me.</p></blockquote><p>So you're going to replace Erollisi Marr by taking over Brell Serilis' domain? You wanna run that by me again?</p></blockquote><p>*sigh* Fine, I won't.  Luckily I have a soft spot for Erollisi Marr.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I would make an awesome god of ale, though.  Just sayin'.</p></blockquote><p>Talk to Brell, some time, and ask about becoming an exarch, a demi-god of ale. Cronyn Serilis! You could be brothers with Bolgin and Brell, and with that S-named Serilis that was mentioned during the Soulfire quest that I only assume is a third member of the Serilis family due to the fact that two of the hammers were Serilis names and the other was unknown.</p><p>Which reminds me. Is there a third member of the Serilis family? Also, if Brell holds domain over the Underfoot, what do Bolgin and the possible third Serilis hold domain over? (Other than Golm, of course, for Bolgin)</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not that I can recall. The only one that I can think of was Darathar killing Vox, and even then he technically didn't kill her as it was his Drakota that did it.</p></blockquote><p>Uh. Kerafyrm's canonical slaying of Yelinak seems to come to mind. Where are you guys even pulling this 'law' from?</p></blockquote><p>Kerefyrm's very existence is considered an abomination and it's wasn't as if any other dragon could spank him for breaking another law. That kind of like having a murder be a crime, but then saying that obviously that law doesn't exist because Superman is able to get away with it. =/</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not that I can recall. The only one that I can think of was Darathar killing Vox, and even then he technically didn't kill her as it was his Drakota that did it.</p></blockquote><p>Uh. Kerafyrm's canonical slaying of Yelinak seems to come to mind. Where are you guys even pulling this 'law' from?</p></blockquote><p>Kerefyrm's very existence is considered an abomination and it's wasn't as if any other dragon could spank him for breaking another law. That kind of like having a murder be a crime, but then saying that obviously that law doesn't exist because Superman is able to get away with it. =/</p></blockquote><p>In this case, it really is just that. Kerafyrm = Superman. He killed other dragons, and law forbids other dragons from even touching him back in retaliation, because no dragon may ever directly harm or kill another.</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not that I can recall. The only one that I can think of was Darathar killing Vox, and even then he technically didn't kill her as it was his Drakota that did it.</p></blockquote><p>Uh. Kerafyrm's canonical slaying of Yelinak seems to come to mind. Where are you guys even pulling this 'law' from?</p></blockquote><p>Kerefyrm's very existence is considered an abomination and it's wasn't as if any other dragon could spank him for breaking another law. That kind of like having a murder be a crime, but then saying that obviously that law doesn't exist because Superman is able to get away with it. =/</p></blockquote><p>In this case, it really is just that. Kerafyrm = Superman. He killed other dragons, and law forbids other dragons from even touching him back in retaliation, because no dragon may ever directly harm or kill another.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Ok, even though Ssliasil1 misspelled chronicles, their information looks legit.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Review the line highlighted in pink at the bottom to evaluate draconic law.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If that's how it is word for word, then Kerafyrm wouldn't have broken any dragon laws because no dragon is of equal or greater power to Kerafyrm.</span></p><p><div><p><cite>Ssliasil1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>I. Veeshan Chronicals</strong>It is told, in the legend of an age long past, relayed from generation to generation of the old civilizations, the history of life on Norrath began with the Dragon God Veeshan. What elements of this recounting are accurate cannot be fully surmized, as there are many versions of the tale, but it is generally accepted throughout the annals of history that the broader themes and aspects are undeniable. In the beginning of history on Norrath, the Mother Wyrm, Great God Veeshan, marked the land with her talons, creating the three gigantic crevices on the continent Velious that are known as the Scars of Veeshan (The magic she placed here prevents the Continent from melting). By this method, Veeshan claimed Norrath as spawning ground for her kin. Veeshan's first two broodlings on Norrath were a red drakeling, and a white one. Thus, dragonkind were the first inhabitants and the most ancient race of Norrath. It is told that Veeshan left soon afterward to claim other worlds in the same manner, and over the course of the ages lesser gods came to create the other races on Norrath, known to dragons as the "second generations." </p><p> <strong>II. Kildrukaun and The Council of Elders </strong>When Norrath was set upon by the intrusion of the lesser gods, the dragons determined to create a Council of Elders to ensure the supremecy of dragonkind over the younger races of Norrath. While many in the council were content to live seperate from and in peace with this "second generation," they still believed that Norrath belonged rightfully to dragons alone, by the will of Veeshan. Still, there were others who could not suffer peaceful coexistence of any sort, and longed for the destruction or enslavement of the younger races. The history of the Council of Elders is shrouded in secrecy and ancient ritual, and little is known for certain of their order. What is known, is that at some point in history a drake named Kildrukaun was appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony. Kildrukaun, though a being of great wisdom and calm heart for regard of his own people, still held a powerful hatred for the second generation, desiring their complete annihilation. His first decree was to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. As fate would have it, it would be only a matter of time before this decree was broken. Two young dragons of opposite elemental powers - one of fire (Dozekar "The Cursed"), the other of ice (Un-known) - fell in love. They bequested the Council of Elders for permission to mate, and made appeal to Kildrukaun himself. Hearing of their plight, Kildrukaun was quick to dismiss any blessing and forbade them from ever fulfilling their desires. The two dragons were disheartened by the event, but for them the choice was clear - they would defy the wisdom of the council to be together, whatever consequence it might bring. <strong>III. Kerafyrm and Kildrukaun's Prophecy </strong>The two secretly fled to an unknown, isolated corner of Norrath. There, they bound their souls in a sacred union unique to dragonkind, and hatched the first prismatic dragon. They named their hatchling Kerafyrm, which means 'almighty son' in the ancient tongue of the dragons. When knowledge of this event came to the council, the two star crossed lovers were punished by death <strong>(Dozekar Was cursed to Die and be Reborn as a trial within the Temple of Veeshan for all eternity)</strong>.</p><p>Kildrukaun, however, took pity on their child, and came to look upon the prismatic's creation as that of Veeshan's will. Inspired and intrigued by Kerafyrm's existence, yet wary of the consequences, Kildrukaun undertook personal governence of raising the young drakeling. Throughout Karafyrm's childhood and adolescence, Kildrukaun never interacted with the prismatic dragon, but served as the dictator behind his mentors. Eventually, Karafyrm rose to a power unseen within any dragon of his still fledgling age. During this time, the dragon nation had split into two seperate factions of opposing power - The Ring of Scale, who fled the dragon continent Velious and took up residence in Kunark (Only to War and be shatterered by the Iksar)- and The Claws of Veeshan, the original order and council of dragonkind.</p><p>It was known that Kildrukaun was furious with the division and he strongly believed that it was Veeshan's will for the dragon nations to reunite once again, lest they become as weak and pitiful as the second generation. Kildrukaun prophesized that Karafyrm would lead The Claws of Veeshan in a great civil war against The Ring of Scale that would reunite the factions and fulfill Veeshan's will, Kunark would be the battlefield. Kerafyrm was known as the Prophetic Savior - a champion of the Claws of Veeshan whose destiny had yet to be filled. However, the council dismissed Kildrukaun's prophecy, exclaiming that although they must find a way to bring the Ring of Scale back under the wing of the elder council, they could not wage a war and abandon the threat of the giants of Kael Drakkal. Kildrukaun was furious, although he did not confront the council directly. Over the passing centuries, he swayed three of the council elders to his side and personally oversaw Kerafyrm's final stages of growth. <strong>IV. The Sleeper</strong> When he was ready, Kerafyrm quickly ascended through the ranks of the Claws of Veeshan, eventually becoming their most powerful general. He led several successful campaigns against the rising threat of the giants of Kael and his influence grew among the elders of the council. However, something dark grew within him -- his bite became venomous and his talon ruthless in its command over his troops and allies. Eventually, his dominion and influence was nothing short of a monstrous creature of pure malignant hatred and an unrivaled lust for destruction and chaos. The Council of Elders had no choice but to order Kerafyrm's destruction - a ruling that Kildrukaun was present to hear. Kildrukaun, always tactful and cautious, decieved the council by conding this action. Shortly thereafter, Kildrukaun and the council elders whom the arch priest had managed to sway with his charismatic diplomacy flew to Kerafyrm, where the five of them made preparations for the inevitable war to come. Although short lived, the war between Kerafyrm's legions and those of the Claws of Veeshan was a near crippling blow to the survival of the elder dragon council upon Velious. Kerafyrm's legions were severely outnumbered by those of the elder council, but time and time again they displayed their awesome strength and power. Eventually, Kerafyrm was restrained and taken to what would be his place of indefinite slumber. The circumstances of Kerafyrm's defeat and imprisonment are a somewhat vague issue. The story has been relayed differently throughout the ages and depending upon whom you ask. Some believe that Veeshan herself briefly returned to Norrath to Sort the issue herself. Although there is little evidence to suggest that Veeshan ever did return to Norrath, it is conceivable to many scholars that it would have taken the powers of the Goddess to subdue a creature as destructive as Kerafyrm, and if ever she needed a reason to return, this would probably have been it. Still, it is more likely that this legend is the result of mistelling the story through the ages, and references that are interpretted to mean "Veeshan the Goddess" actually mean "The Claws of Veeshan." In any case, it would have been a magnificient propoganda ploy by the council of The Claws of Veeshan to bring the aspect of divine intervention into this affair. It was, after all, the council who allowed Kerafyrm's continued existence, who were fooled and betrayed by Kildrukaun, and ultimately were responsible for the war and the creation of one of the most destructive and dangerous elements known to Norrath. To relay Kerafyrm's creation as something that was out of their control, and the subject of divine providence and prophecy, would maintain the image of untarnishability that many held in regard to the council. The most likely scenario is this: The legions of the Claws of Veeshan outnumbered Kerafyrm significantly enough to subdue him, but could not destroy him. Therefore, they placed him in a tomb and held him prisoner with powerful magic, and banished Nagafen and Vox to their respective lairs of Lavastorm and Permafrost. The council appointed four powerful dragons of seperate elemental influence to guard Kerafyrm, and instituted a selective breeding program to produce replacement warders over the ages. Meanwhile, Kildrukaun and the other traitorous elders who had aided Kerafyrm in his war fled Velious to unknown locations, awaiting the return of their master. Henceforth, Kerafyrm was known as "The Sleeper," and the subject of much secrecy and sacred legend among the dragons. <strong>V. The Awakening </strong>Five hundred years ago, the races of the second generation discovered the dragon continent Velious through brave expedition and conquest. During this time, dragon lore was of extreme interest to scholars of the younger races, and many of dragonkind's most sacred artifacts and hidden histories were stolen through the efforts of adventurers. In their wake, the second generation left careless destruction and wrought terrible havok upon the entire dragon nation, and Norrath itself. For reasons difficult to understand, the key to the Sleeper's Tomb was revealed to one particular group of powerful, yet foolhardy, individuals. Seeking fame and fortune, they ventured forth into the Tomb, slaying the dragons mercilessly, until finally confronting the four elemental warders themselves. When the warders had been slain, and the four seals broken, Kerafyrm awoke from his slumber with a mighty roar, exclaiming "I AM FREEE!". A tremor of mortal terror shook deep in the souls of his enemies across the land. Kerafyrm, observing his second generation saviors, devoured them whole within moments, and then proceeded to make his way to the outside. Velious felt Kerafyrm's wrath. Heading straight for Skyshrine, he left a path of destruction and vengeance. Any living creature he encountered along the way was felled effortlessly and ruthlessly. Confronting the council members one by one, Kerafyrm ripped their flesh into shards, annihilating every vestiage of their existence. The wise and ancient dragons of Velious were hardly a challenge for the prismatic, and it is said that with every foe he dispatched his bloodlust became more insatiable, and his wrath more vicious. Living things everywhere fled in terror. Finally, Kerafyrm came to Lord Yelinak, King of the Dragons in Skyshrine. They battled feriously, and Yelinak bravely defended his honor. However, despite his power and wisdom, Yelinak was no match for Kerafyrm. The battle lasted only a matter of minutes. Yelinak was dead, and Kerafyrm undaunted. When Kerafyrm had finished, he paused for not a moment before he flew away to places unknown. Kildrukaun and the other Ancients returned from hiding, taking up guard over the former tomb of their master. Not long afterward, dark times fell upon Norrath, and all of existence here felt the terrible, unforseen cataclysms that were brought on by the carelessness of the younger races. That, however, is a different story...</p><p><strong>VI. Lore Tie In's (Just listing Lore moments not the Lore itself atm)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>1.) Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox's Plead, Seperation and imprisonment.</p><p>2.) The Second Eqq</p><p>3.) Theories of Kerafyrm's hand in Luclin's Destruction</p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff;"><span style="font-size: medium;">4.)  Veeshan's Law (Curse) *States that no Dragon or Dragonkin may slay another of Dragonkin of Equal or greater Power without the Wrath of Veeshan paying vengeance.</span></span></p><p>5.)  Dragon's Insatiable hatred for Iksar above all other Races.</p><p>6.)  The Wyrm Lord (Veeshan's Counterpart within the Discord Realm)</p><p>Enjoy!</p></blockquote></div></p>

[Wilin]

I'm expecting Veeshan to be introduced and Nagafen to become the Prophet of Veeshan.

[Sydares]

<p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><div><blockquote><p><strong>VI. Lore Tie In's (Just listing Lore moments not the Lore itself atm)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>1.) Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox's Plead, Seperation and imprisonment.</p><p>2.) The Second Eqq</p><p>3.) Theories of Kerafyrm's hand in Luclin's Destruction</p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff;"><span style="font-size: medium;">4.)  Veeshan's Law (Curse) *States that no Dragon or Dragonkin may slay another of Dragonkin of Equal or greater Power without the Wrath of Veeshan paying vengeance.</span></span></p><p>5.)  Dragon's Insatiable hatred for Iksar above all other Races.</p><p>6.)  The Wyrm Lord (Veeshan's Counterpart within the Discord Realm)</p><p>Enjoy!</p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p>[Citation Required]</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><span style="color: #ffffff; font-size: 12px;"><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">Ok, even though Ssliasil1 misspelled chronicles, their information looks legit.</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">Review the line highlighted in pink at the bottom to evaluate draconic law.</span></p><p style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="color: #ff6600;">If that's how it is word for word, then Kerafyrm wouldn't have broken any dragon laws because no dragon is of equal or greater power to Kerafyrm.</span></p></span><blockquote><div><cite>Ssliasil1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><strong>VI. Lore Tie In's (Just listing Lore moments not the Lore itself atm)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>1.) Lord Nagafen and Lady Vox's Plead, Seperation and imprisonment.</p><p>2.) The Second Eqq</p><p>3.) Theories of Kerafyrm's hand in Luclin's Destruction</p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff;"><span style="font-size: medium;">4.)  Veeshan's Law (Curse) *States that no Dragon or Dragonkin may slay another of Dragonkin of Equal or greater Power without the Wrath of Veeshan paying vengeance.</span></span></p><p>5.)  Dragon's Insatiable hatred for Iksar above all other Races.</p><p>6.)  The Wyrm Lord (Veeshan's Counterpart within the Discord Realm)</p><p>Enjoy!</p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p>[Citation Required]</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Ssliasil1 is the one who you'd require the citation of, nn you left their name out of the quote! =[</span></p>