FAME DECAY NOT GOOD!

[CYR3Z]

<p>this system for fame decay is well crap!  I work hard to get my toon to dreadnaught spend 2-3days offline due to work commitments and im back down to champion?</p><p>It works out that fame decay is decayed overtime when u are logged out! Well this needs to be changed asap</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>wrong section</p>

[CYR3Z]

<p>Right section as titled above GENERAL GAMEPLAY Discussion!</p><p>Fame decay is about general gameplay</p>

[Illmarr]

<p>What is Fame? I've never heard of it</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>CYR3Z wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Right section as titled above GENERAL GAMEPLAY Discussion!</p><p>Fame decay is about general gameplay</p></blockquote><p>No, it isn't. Look over <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/show.m?forum_id=2589" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>

[Ilovecows]

<p>Fame decay isn't really too bad, i just dinged destroyer, logged off for maybe 4-5 days, came back on and had destroyer again within 30 minutes.  it isn't really that hard to deal with and isn't worth complaining about.</p><p>and btw, this is the right section for this, this is pvp discusion, and, unless i am wrong, fame is pretty linked with pvp, as i do not believe you can get a pvp title on pve server, but, i've never played there so who knows?</p>

[Culsu]

<p>IMHO it's not working fast enough, I'd love to get rid of my slayer title and just see my name above my guild title.</p>

[Leko]

<p>Just remove fame from the game.  Titles are lame.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>So Leko what kind of awesome pvp questions did you ask at fan faire this year?</p>

[Epiph]

<p>Go to a PVE server if you don't want tiles.  Old Fame system is what made this game fun, if you disagree than you are one of the following:</p><p>1. Person who doesn't care about titles *see above statement</p><p>2. Person who is terrible and could not get anything above champion</p><p>3. Person who enjoys the current fame system where you can't lose anything at all & massive Zergs for tokens and gear all day.</p><p>Edit: forgot a word <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Go to a PVE server if you don't want tiles.  Old Fame system is what made this game fun, if you disagree than you are one of the following:</p><p>1. Person who doesn't care about titles *see above statement</p><p>2. Person who is terrible and could not get anything above champion</p><p>3. Person who enjoys the current fame system where you can't lose anything at all & massive Zergs for tokens and gear all day.</p><p>Edit: forgot a word <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I agree</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p><cite>Culsu@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>IMHO it's not working fast enough, I'd love to get rid of my slayer title and just see my name above my guild title.</p></blockquote><p>Once you obtain Hunter, you can never go back to nothing... I wish the same though as well.</p><p>IMO, the fame system is lame. All it shows is people who PvP regularly, and people who decided to keep logged on to not lose fame. And both of those make no since.</p><p>Regular Pvpers- I don't need a title to know you're a good PvPer, I know names of everyone from the opposite alignment due to the fact I PvP often and from their playing skill. If you need a title to tell you who is good, you don't PvP enough (so don't complain about titles).</p><p>People who don't log out- What does your title matter? If I kill you (I'm only a destroyer, I play multiple toons) and you are a master, you still die and thats all that happens.</p><p>FAME DECAY has no real effect on the game, so why do people let it effect their play style?</p>

[Epiph]

<p>Am I the only one that thinks the above poster contradicted him self mutliple times?....Right now Infamy has no meaning, b4 it did.  It added addrenanaline rushes to PVP & made it fun & exciting.  Going out and actually looking for that other master title & taking his title away from him made this game awesome & different from any other.  Remove this carebear fame system & go back to the old fame system.</p>

[Kota]

<p><cite>Leko wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just remove fame from the game.  Titles are lame.</p></blockquote>

[Epiph]

<p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p>

[Kota]

thanks for calling me dumb. afk to go get self esteem therapy. k back. the old days sucked. go back a couple years of pvp posts on this very forum. do it. go. simple case of selective memory. all the ppl talking about the good old days and how cars back in the day were built so well being a prime example. yeah, they did a crash test of a new car vs an old car, and the new car ate the old car's lunch, and the passenger compartment was in far better condition. oh, and how about the modern warranties vs the old car's constant maintenance requirements. if they had left the lame fame system in place there would be more tears today than there currently are. or less, because more ppl just quit. you seem to have completely forgotten about all the hoopla with fame back then. it WAS LAME.

[convict]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p></blockquote><p>I pvp for the fun of.... pvp.. I dont play fps' for a title, I play, or played them for the fun of it. I dont need a title to go after, I just need an enemy..</p>

[Kota]

p.s. a lot more than 2 of us hated that old title humping system. a LOT of ppl thought it was bunk.

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p></blockquote><p>It´s not complete crap, it´s more like Ûber crap.</p>

[Epiph]

<p>lol Tenka, really you need to stop replying.  You, the guy who hasn't logged out in about 3 weeks now is the last person I want to hear trying to flame the old fame system.  If you don't care about your title(s) than just log both of your toons out and be done with it.  The fact of the matter is that you do care.  More people had fun in KOS/eof & even in ROK/TSO than the current expansion & it was because people actually went out & group PVP'd & actually went looking for titles .  If you think the current system is better than you have a problem & may want to get it looked into, but thanks for sharing the Qeynos mentality with the rest of the boards.</p>

[Epiph]

<p>Also:  I can't remember the last time I actually had a GOOD 6v6 since fame days in TSO.  The addrenanline rushes was there, try doing a 6v6 now with out titles...Who cares if you win or lose there is no incentive to even 6v6 when you can run in a zerg all day.</p>

[MaCloud1032]

All the old system showed was people knew how to pick there fights, or people knew how to run(hasn't changed) The current system shows who has a life, alts, or doesn't log out except on patch day. Titles never proved skill or the latter. I was a champ/dread. If I had backed away from fights I knew I couldn't win(3v1 or other stuff like that) I could of easly been a overlord and what not. I never payed attention to what titles I was killing I knew names and guilds. As for fame and good 6v6 you will still have leachers picking off for title gains. As long as low levels have a easy time getting to the pvp there will always be leachers. also as long as all you need is a "hit" to update your pvp writ there will be the zerg. Fame won't cure that pvp has turned into a gear grind. Its raiding with out the raid all you need is something to allow you to range hit and the tab button and you roll in the gear simple as that

[Ssue]

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Titles back when I suggested fame decay dictated how people PvP’d.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If there was a risk of loosing fame they avoided combat, maintain their health below 50%, or only ventured out in well organized groups.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I was in a guild with many Masters and Generals who bragged and boasted about their titles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>The only thing is they spent 99% of their time raiding, they were not PvPers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I wanted a system that reward those of us that were out there day-in-day-out.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>So fame decay sounded like the answer, and still is as far as I am concerned.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But, I do not agree with its implementation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Fame should only decay while online and not engaged in PvP.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Fame should be gained from any kill, and loss should incur from any death.</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;"> </span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Or, simply scrap the whole system now that it really has no relevance. </span></p>

[Kota]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol Tenka, really you need to stop replying.  You, the guy who hasn't logged out in about 3 weeks now is the last person I want to hear trying to flame the old fame system.  If you don't care about your title(s) than just log both of your toons out and be done with it.  The fact of the matter is that you do care.  More people had fun in KOS/eof & even in ROK/TSO than the current expansion & it was because people actually went out & group PVP'd & actually went looking for titles .  If you think the current system is better than you have a problem & may want to get it looked into, but thanks for sharing the Qeynos mentality with the rest of the boards.</p></blockquote><p>i already explained to you why i don't log out.  maybe your memory isn't so good so i will reiterate:  this game isn't much fun for me anymore.  i minimize it, rather than log out.  if i get an urge to play, i just bring it up.  the 2 minutes it takes to log in can be a looong time when you already anticipate boredom, so i just leave my toons online.</p><p>do you remember when all the titles were just gone ?  it was after a patch or something.  your awesome powers of observation allow you to see me online all the time, but you seem to have forgotten my fame/title derogatory last name and petnames during that brief period.  my last name was something like 'Lol'Atyourtitle' and my pet's name was something like 'Cryforyourfame'. </p><p>i'm all in favor of online fame decay.  please let us drop below hunter tho.  or let us turn titles off.  or choose not to participate in the fame game.  ie, recicve no fame and give none.  ppl already run enough w/o the fear of fame loss tho.  eff that ess.</p>

[Epiph]

<p>you realize that you don't make any sense when you say "this game isn't much for me anymore" yet you refuse to log out.  give it up dude you contradict your self right there, you're obviously holding that overseer title.  If it doesn't mean much to you then just log out & b done with it.  I don't buy the "oh I'm just too lazy to log out & take the 30 secconds  to log in & launch my game" excuse. </p>

[Epiph]

<p>& I'm all for Ssue's idea, It's a good mixture of both</p>

[Kota]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you realize that you don't make any sense when you say "this game isn't much for me anymore" yet you refuse to log out.  give it up dude you contradict your self right there, you're obviously holding that overseer title.  If it doesn't mean much to you then just log out & b done with it.  I don't buy the "oh I'm just too lazy to log out & take the 30 secconds  to log in & launch my game" excuse. </p></blockquote><p>takes more than 30 seconds for me to go from desktop to online.  why log out when i can just minimize it ?  or simply walk away.  and tbh i don't care what you do or don't buy.  no, i don't get much satisfaction from this game.  yes, i jump in on a wf here and there.  if you pvp'd half as much as you pretend to, you would see me out there.</p>

[Epiph]

<p>I have no reason to PVP nor do I have a reason to log into this game now.  The fun factor was gaining infamy & taking titles away from people like Oxec, the fine people @ soe decided to remove the fun factor & thats why you haven't seen me.  but I gurantee I have more kills on my main then u have on both of your toons.</p>

[Kota]

i have about 7 toons. if you have no reason to log into this game, close your mouf and walk away. stop crying. bai bai.

[Epiph]

<p>yet you stay logged in all day & troll the Eq2 official forums, but clearly you have no reason to play this game. </p>

[Kota]

i raid 3 times a week. and i already said i do an occasional wf. read better.

[Morauk]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Go to a PVE server if you don't want tiles.  Old Fame system is what made this game fun, if you disagree than you are one of the following:</p><p>1. Person who doesn't care about titles *see above statement</p><p>2. Person who is terrible and could not get anything above champion</p><p>3. Person who enjoys the current fame system where you can't lose anything at all & massive Zergs for tokens and gear all day.</p><p>Edit: forgot a word <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>qft</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>Titles are and have always been meaningless.  However, some people like them: more power to those people.  Doing nothing should not = keeping a title.  Log off loose title.  Log on, kill stuff, get title back.  Working as intended.</p>

[Morauk]

People that like the titles only liked them because of the competition they brought to the game.

[Duotang]

<p><cite>CYR3Z wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>this system for fame decay is well crap!  I work hard to get my toon to dreadnaught spend 2-3days offline due to work commitments and im back down to champion?</p><p>It works out that fame decay is decayed overtime when u are logged out! Well this needs to be changed asap</p></blockquote><p>Sony advocates leaving your eq2 app running 24/7 to collect dust and other particulates on your precious hardware.</p><p>*This message brought to you by Nvidia, ASUS, Creative, OCZ, and Antec.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p></blockquote><p>Ah... I think your brain is tarded...</p><p>What do you PvP for after you have all your gear? The enjoyment. If you need something to show people you're good (other than your ability to play your class and beat opponents), I don't think you are good...</p><p>Have them roll in some rewards, or dare say... penalties for dying/killing. Because that would varify your claim to not be PvPing for NOTHING. But you wouldn't have that would you? The idea of being able to lose your wonderful Champion title has your panties in a bunch.</p>

[EndevorX]

<p><cite>Shankapotomus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p></blockquote><p>Ah... I think your brain is tarded...</p><p>What do you PvP for after you have all your gear? The enjoyment. If you need something to show people you're good (other than your ability to play your class and beat opponents), I don't think you are good...</p><p>Have them roll in some rewards, or dare say... penalties for dying/killing. Because that would varify your claim to not be PvPing for NOTHING. But you wouldn't have that would you? The idea of being able to lose your wonderful Champion title has your panties in a bunch.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Competitive rivalry can instill adrenaline when close calls are on the line.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fame decay is bad because it tries to dictate gameplay, punishing people for enjoying 90% of the other in-game tasks.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fame loss/gain from any rank on all deaths/kills is too carebear and easy because substantive kill streaks are too plentiful.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">What other phrases are there aside from beating a dead horse? That colloquialism is like...1990s status man.</span></p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p><cite>Seliri@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shankapotomus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Epiph@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you 2 are dumb for suggesting such a stupid idea.  What do you PVP for once you have all of your PVP gear? Titles...Why pvp when there is nothing to PVP for?...There is no thought behind such stupid answers, and it's ashame because that's what SOE actually listens to.  Look at PVP now, all the carebear bs.  Remove it all & go back to the old days.  The Vet PVPers will agree this game is complete crap now.</p></blockquote><p>Ah... I think your brain is tarded...</p><p>What do you PvP for after you have all your gear? The enjoyment. If you need something to show people you're good (other than your ability to play your class and beat opponents), I don't think you are good...</p><p>Have them roll in some rewards, or dare say... penalties for dying/killing. Because that would varify your claim to not be PvPing for NOTHING. But you wouldn't have that would you? The idea of being able to lose your wonderful Champion title has your panties in a bunch.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Competitive rivalry can instill adrenaline when close calls are on the line.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fame decay is bad because it tries to dictate gameplay, punishing people for enjoying 90% of the other in-game tasks.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Fame loss/gain from any rank on all deaths/kills is too carebear and easy because substantive kill streaks are too plentiful.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">What other phrases are there aside from beating a dead horse? That colloquialism is like...1990s status man.</span></p></blockquote><p>Seliri... Fame decay right now punishes people for NOT PLAYING the game...</p><p>You should read my other posts.</p><p>But like I've said, if you believe the fame system should be changed for the solo purpose of titles thats sad. I know you can PvP, not from your title, but from your character name.</p><p>But if you give me rewards or penalties- I'd think twice about zerging, be more strategic, encouraged to get out there more (to keep my rewards in any form), and any other positive conotation towards the advancement of better PvP.</p><p>P.S. <span style="color: #ff6600;">Get over yourself please, you are amusing though I must add</span></p>