Battlefield of Ganak Walls

[monrofayy]

<p><span >Battlefield of Ganak walls </span>have been fixed ! can't walk on them, can't fly over them  or do anything else  which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec  DEV's got anuff time to fill in the walls instead actually helping other wise !!  G-F-Y-S!!</p>

[Jaremai]

<p>That would be the art team that fixed it, not the programmers.  Different team.</p>

[Ranja]

<p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Battlefield of Ganak walls </span>have been fixed ! can't walk on them, can't fly over them  or do anything else  which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec  DEV's got anuff time to fill in the walls instead actually helping other wise !!  G-F-Y-S!!</p></blockquote><p>Love the change. No mode idiots hiding with the flag and going /afk as their team gets pwnd in the face.</p><p>I love that when the flag carrier hides and watches his team lose without ever coming out of hiding.</p><p>Good riddance to these idiots.</p><p>PS: I am not saying you are the one doing this.</p>

[Verrie77]

<p>Great fix.Its a BATTLEGROUND , not a hidingground.</p><p>Hiding is proving you dont have what it takes to win any oother way. Cheating is for wimps.</p>

[Xiotia]

<p><cite>Verrie77 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Great fix.Its a BATTLEGROUND , not a hidingground.</p><p>Hiding is proving you dont have what it takes to win any oother way. Cheating is for wimps.</p></blockquote><p>I like the change too. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[hoosierdaddy]

<p>I love this change. Nothing bothered me more in Ganak than a player hiding in the geometry. Whenever I could attain a line of sight, I'd melt their faces as fast as possible.</p><p>Now to get rid of run speed buffs on the flag carrier, so that you don't have bards/druids with virtual CC immunity picking up the flag and running in circles around the base for the duration of the battle.</p>

[Ranja]

<p><cite>hoosierdaddy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I love this change. Nothing bothered me more in Ganak than a player hiding in the geometry. Whenever I could attain a line of sight, I'd melt their faces as fast as possible.</p><p>Now to get rid of run speed buffs on the flag carrier, so that you don't have bards/druids with virtual CC immunity picking up the flag and running in circles around the base for the duration of the battle.</p></blockquote><p>OMG the circle runner. Hate them. I hate them even more when they do it in relic. Grab the relic and start running all around the upper ramparts. This aint run like a b*tch it is a deathmatch<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. At least with the relic, you don't have to chase them because you know they will be dying shortyl since there is no way a healer can keep line of site on them.</p><p>However, when it is a healer that does that, it is the most annoying thing in the world.</p>

[BlueEternal]

<p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec</p></blockquote><p>So you really believed it helped Illy/Coer/Conj by being able to hide from other people? L-O-L</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Nariox@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec</p></blockquote><p>So you really believed it helped Illy/Coer/Conj by being able to hide from other people? L-O-L</p></blockquote><p>Apparently hiding and sending your pet at targets is all the rage</p>

[Xelnok11]

<p>coercers cant charm/possess pets in a bg....</p>

[Brook]

<p>All charm does in BG is apply a mez for 8 seconds.</p>

[monrofayy]

<p>Wimp, not having what it takes ect yada yada. I call it adapting! Conj's lack survivablity tanks run around us just auto attacking 1-3k per wack, rangers ect. Cheap shot us we can't even. Run or cast to protect our selfs what's does soe give us to help? Junk switch teleport with pet least sitting/ running on wall I had a chance I could still die just not as easy but it ok I found another spot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[BlueEternal]

<p>Was that haiku?</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Nariox@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was that haiku?</p></blockquote><p>i lol'd</p>

[Evette23]

<p><cite>Verrie77 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Great fix.Its a BATTLEGROUND , not a hidingground.</p><p>Hiding is proving you dont have what it takes to win any oother way. Cheating is for wimps.</p></blockquote><p>Are you saying hiding = cheating? lulz</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>yes hidding is like cheating in EQ since always, try to hide from mobs ... ,) good luck :p</p><p>But i was so sad i just see people running on the wall it was fake, they changed nada.</p>

[Slaspen]

<p>I dont like this change, never bothered me at all if someone was up there, takes about 5 seconds max to get up to them.</p>

[TodesMagier]

<p>They changed a bunch of [Removed for Content] in Ganak .....</p><p>The little Hole on the left and right side, there is an invisible wall, so cant get easy on top. But ive seen so many ppl, that hiding there again.</p><p>And those [Removed for Content]!n speedhackers ....</p><p>Fix some good things like a damage proc on the flag, like the relic one in gears, dont allow rangers, to slow you 70% down and kill ya in 1 sec and so on .....</p><p>SoE had to learn ...</p>

[Taldier]

<p>Movement IS combat.  Strategy IS combat.  Anyone with a basic understanding of military history can tell you that the greatest of victories werent won by generals who stood still or did exactly what their enemies expected them to.</p><p>As soon as you introduce territory objectives it becomes a war game, whether you are able to recognize that or not, instead of simply a test of brute power.</p><p>Any noob that needs SOE to erect invisible walls for them in the hopes that intelligent players will just stand in the middle of a field and play whack-a-mole is just going to get wrecked in some other way until SOE locks everyone in a 10 meter box with no terrain.</p><p>Of course they already tried to instance pvp combat into bg's so we're half way there...</p>

[gmping]

<p><cite>Taldier@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Movement IS combat.  Strategy IS combat.  Anyone with a basic understanding of military history can tell you that the greatest of victories werent won by generals who stood still or did exactly what their enemies expected them to.</p><p>As soon as you introduce territory objectives it becomes a war game, whether you are able to recognize that or not, instead of simply a test of brute power.</p><p>Any noob that needs SOE to erect invisible walls for them in the hopes that intelligent players will just stand in the middle of a field and play whack-a-mole is just going to get wrecked in some other way until SOE locks everyone in a 10 meter box with no terrain.</p><p>Of course they already tried to instance pvp combat into bg's so we're half way there...</p></blockquote><p>/agree</p>

[lollipop]

<p><cite>gmping wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Taldier@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Movement IS combat.  Strategy IS combat.  Anyone with a basic understanding of military history can tell you that the greatest of victories werent won by generals who stood still or did exactly what their enemies expected them to.</p><p>As soon as you introduce territory objectives it becomes a war game, whether you are able to recognize that or not, instead of simply a test of brute power.</p><p>Any noob that needs SOE to erect invisible walls for them in the hopes that intelligent players will just stand in the middle of a field and play whack-a-mole is just going to get wrecked in some other way until SOE locks everyone in a 10 meter box with no terrain.</p><p>Of course they already tried to instance pvp combat into bg's so we're half way there...</p></blockquote><p>/agree</p></blockquote><p>But...But.....it worked so well back in the civil war days. STand and shoot....ok now enemys turn..rinse and repeat...lol I swear some of the stupid people that play this game should have been standing front line back then</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p>fixing the walls is stupid, using what you can if fair game and if you cant get up there figure out who to because everyone can. i have done it with and iksar, gnome, rat, and fae so dont say it is not possible. this fix was not needed, only thing needing fixing is the flag. reduce their runspeed, put a dot on it/time limit something. that would fix the wall issue in its self and all this would not be need.</p><p>but it dont matter there is to many things wrong with BGs for them to make them worth anyones time. new players get owned by the BG geared people, and the people who lvl lock tweak their toons to (again) own the other new players.</p>

[Ralpmet]

<p>Really, fixing the wall is fixing the wall.</p><p>Using what you can is fair game, they changed what you can use because they felt it was an exploit, saying it's not or "feeling" it's not isn't reason to assume it's not.</p><p>edit: To be honest I was sick of 20 minute ganak matches because someone with knockback is sitting ontop of a wall, kicking people off who chase them up there. That's a waste of my time, that's a waste of the 22 people's time (not including myself or the flag carrier) and often times the match ends up with a lopsided score, with the some idiot who went afk with a flag in a place that is basically unreachable without glide.</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p><cite>Ralpmet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Really, fixing the wall is fixing the wall.</p><p>Using what you can is fair game, they changed what you can use because they felt it was an exploit, saying it's not or "feeling" it's not isn't reason to assume it's not.</p><p>edit: To be honest I was sick of 20 minute ganak matches because someone with knockback is sitting ontop of a wall, kicking people off who chase them up there. That's a waste of my time, that's a waste of the 22 people's time (not including myself or the flag carrier) and often times the match ends up with a lopsided score, with the some idiot who went afk with a flag in <strong><span style="font-size: medium;">a place that is basically unreachable without glide</span></strong>.</p></blockquote><p>see it is these kinds of post that had it changed, everyone can get the glide boots, they are cheap as hell and you can hot bar them and you regular ones so it is a quick change. but no people whine and cry about them having to spend alittle gold so they can get up there. alot of why BGs fail is because of you whiners who dont just fix the problem yourself with a simple piece of gear so everthing goes and gets changed.</p><p>in general BGs was a bad idea to start with because it killed the low population. so at this point it does not matter. fix was not need but sony never looks back so just drop the wall subject. the only thing that does need to get fixed is some one holding the flag the whole time, put a dot on it or a timer so you dont have a big slug fest in the middle of the field with no one dieing.</p>

[Xiotia]

<p>I agree they should have left the wall alone, simply because I could get up there with the boots, now I see fay getting up there and I am unable to even with the boots. </p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p>yeah it was not hard to get up there at all, it is just that some people like to whine and cry over stuff unstead of getting up there the same way as most people. they are what I like to call "game ruiners". but not like BGs helped any lol</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>Do not be able to go top of wall will be  a good thing. People who like to take easy adventage from people. Come on and fight for good, or learn to evade. I have done this with 7 of my toons, it's not so hard to hide from player, but that ask you to run and hide even sprint eventualy. Not just stand where someone see you... you call that hide LOL... And get a hard tricky spot when guy have 11 player for cover himself is totaly impossible, 2 ranger, 2 wizard and everyone who ll try will die befor get him, totaly unfair AND exploit.</p><p>In old day of EQ1 a bard in freeport was killable easilly even with 5 less level, due to same exploit, jump on table mob have to run arround for get this spot, blast him while he run, then jump of table mob was forced to run arround in other way, blast him... easy to make mob run whole time and he never hit you, exacly same exploit, and yes IT's an exploit. And no player have no choice if you fail to get the wall you have to run arround for get up, and can easilly be blasted while you just run to him.</p><p>Anyway this will make lot of people happy</p>

[Xiotia]

<p>Go ahead and get up on your walls now. I've figured out how you do it, and I can do it too. If I have the flag you will not find me up there, but if you have my flag and hide up there then good luck to you, because it isolates you from your healers. </p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Brook]

<p><cite>Xiotia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Go ahead and get up on your walls now. I've figured out how you do it, and I can do it too. If I have the flag you will not find me up there, but if you have my flag and hide up there then good luck to you, because it isolates you from your healers. </p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I found you up there but couldn't do a thing about it.</p>

[Xiotia]

<p><cite>Brook wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xiotia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Go ahead and get up on your walls now. I've figured out how you do it, and I can do it too. If I have the flag you will not find me up there, but if you have my flag and hide up there then good luck to you, because it isolates you from your healers. </p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I found you up there but couldn't do a thing about it.</p></blockquote><p>recently, with the flag? Not I. I entertained the idea briefly, since the other team was doing it, but nix on that. I'm safer with my group. Unless you were going after me going after the person with our flag. </p>

[Brook]

<p><cite>Xiotia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brook wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xiotia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Go ahead and get up on your walls now. I've figured out how you do it, and I can do it too. If I have the flag you will not find me up there, but if you have my flag and hide up there then good luck to you, because it isolates you from your healers. </p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I found you up there but couldn't do a thing about it.</p></blockquote><p>recently, with the flag? Not I. I entertained the idea briefly, since the other team was doing it, but nix on that. I'm safer with my group. Unless you were going after me going after the person with our flag. </p></blockquote><p>Never seen you with a flag up there, I was trying to slow you down going after one of our people up there but the rangers were tearing me apart on the ground. You didn't do so bad yourself once you came down <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Battlefield of Ganak walls </span>have been fixed ! can't walk on them, can't fly over them  or do anything else  which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec  DEV's got anuff time to fill in the walls instead actually helping other wise !!  G-F-Y-S!!</p></blockquote><p>As a kid, playing Capture the Flag.. did you climb trees?</p>

[Taldier]

<p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Battlefield of Ganak walls </span>have been fixed ! can't walk on them, can't fly over them  or do anything else  which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec  DEV's got anuff time to fill in the walls instead actually helping other wise !!  G-F-Y-S!!</p></blockquote><p>As a kid, playing Capture the Flag.. did you climb trees?</p></blockquote><p>As a kid, playing Capture the Flag.. did you shoot your friends or light them on fire?  Im pretty sure I missed the "tag" hotkey in game.  Would have to be a pretty brutal childhood to gain useful comparisons between real life and the game.  I also must have missed the territory line in game apparently, I must be exploiting when I kill an enemy in their own base.</p><p>That of course ignoring the large number of very different rule variations of the childrens game which only makes any attempt at comparison more ridiculous.</p><p>If certain kids in your creepy sociopathic version of capture the flag were allowed to throw rocks at the other children to tag them, I would personally consider them stupid if they did not attempt to find a defensive position above the ground to use that advantage.</p><p>It is a virtual war game.  You play by the rules that exist and use every advantage you can within those rules to out smart or out fight your opponent.  Its a competitive enviornment and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Its Not Real</span>.  No one actually gets hurt when they lose, their computers do not explode and injure them.  There is no need for the politically correct "everyone just play nice" and "just play to have fun" carebear bs in an online game.</p><p>"Oh dont cover half the board in hotels, the kids will cry if they lose, lets just keep going around the monopoly board until we run out of time and have to quit so that its "<span style="text-decoration: underline;">fair</span>" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> "</p><p>Why do online game developers constantly adopt the same version of "fairness" generally used for spoiled ten year old children?</p>

[Davngr1]

<p>stupid change..  grats SOE on another dumb move.</p> <p>   btw to the people that like this change, lol.</p> <p>  hiding?  cheating?</p> <p>  just because you lack the finesse to maneuver your character, it does not mean it's cheating.</p> <p>     brains > brawn  </p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Taldier@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Pauly@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>monrofayy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Battlefield of Ganak walls </span>have been fixed ! can't walk on them, can't fly over them  or do anything else  which i think is complete bull $$hit because it was great way even things out ! being a illu /coer/ conj / nec  DEV's got anuff time to fill in the walls instead actually helping other wise !!  G-F-Y-S!!</p></blockquote><p>As a kid, playing Capture the Flag.. did you climb trees?</p></blockquote><p>As a kid, playing Capture the Flag.. did you shoot your friends or light them on fire?  Im pretty sure I missed the "tag" hotkey in game.  Would have to be a pretty brutal childhood to gain useful comparisons between real life and the game.  I also must have missed the territory line in game apparently, I must be exploiting when I kill an enemy in their own base.</p><p>That of course ignoring the large number of very different rule variations of the childrens game which only makes any attempt at comparison more ridiculous.</p><p>If certain kids in your creepy sociopathic version of capture the flag were allowed to throw rocks at the other children to tag them, I would personally consider them stupid if they did not attempt to find a defensive position above the ground to use that advantage.</p><p>It is a virtual war game.  You play by the rules that exist and use every advantage you can within those rules to out smart or out fight your opponent.  Its a competitive enviornment and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Its Not Real</span>.  No one actually gets hurt when they lose, their computers do not explode and injure them.  There is no need for the politically correct "everyone just play nice" and "just play to have fun" carebear bs in an online game.</p><p>"Oh dont cover half the board in hotels, the kids will cry if they lose, lets just keep going around the monopoly board until we run out of time and have to quit so that its "<span style="text-decoration: underline;">fair</span>" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> "</p><p>Why do online game developers constantly adopt the same version of "fairness" generally used for spoiled ten year old children?</p></blockquote><p>we went through a lot of BB's.  Fire was against the rules.</p>

[Ekelefer]

<p>I agree with the change. Isolating the flag on top of the wall effectively narrowed the playing field down to a few players at any given time, namely those with jump boots and those without. If every player were to go and purchase glide boots it would illustrate how ridiculous it was to hold a flag aloft and run the clock down (typically after sandbagging your points by capping once and then removing the flag from the other 400yards of playing field). Imagine how stupid the game would have looked to observe 12 players gliding through the air like locusts in an effort to reach one guy, whom more than likely would have simply jump down at that point and run around the base, re-enter to glide again, rinse and repeat ad nauseum.</p><p>The irony is that those opposed to the change are shouting at the "whiners" that this is war! "You should have learned to adapt. It isn't our fault that you were unable to figure out how to isolate the battlefield to the very narrow confines of a perch.". If those so opposed actually believed in what they are saying you wouldn't have bothered posting. You'd of simply adapted. As they say, "If you don't put your money where your mouth is, you've got nothing to say.".</p><p>Here is some advice: TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE. Learn to adapt. This is war, right? God forbid you have to complete against 12 other players instead of the 4 or 5 that typically had glide boots.</p>

[Ralpmet]

<p><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I can't extend a match to its full legnth by hiding ontop of a wall anymore! How will I ever get the flag and run off and cook supper?</strong></span></p><p>Seriously, give it a freaking rest. Every single one of you that said this change isn't good obviously has some kind of issue with ganak being a quick match, but why? I'm sick of reading this crap, it's obvious that soe didn't want people up there or they wouldn't of changed it. A few whiney posts on the forum aren't going to change it back, and I for one am glad that I haven't had any full legnth ganak matches since.</p><p>Get a legitimate complaint or something, good crimany sakes.</p><p>and for the edit, every single one of my toons has jump boots, I come from PvP that means I come prepared. That DOES NOT make it a legit spot to hide at. Anyone who wasted 15 minutes of my life because they jumped somewhere and just kept spamming knockbacks disgusts me. That is clearly not how the game was intended to be designed.</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p>just wondering because i am sick of the knockback BS, what classes are you playing? not the guy with the flag but the one that keeps getting kicked off?</p>

[Davngr1]

<p>did this get un-nerfed?</p><p> because there was a warlock up on top of the flag roof in two games today.</p><p>   or was this 3rd party program and if so can people really be this stupid?</p>

[Xiotia]

<p><cite>Davngr1 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>did this get un-nerfed?</p><p> because there was a warlock up on top of the flag roof in two games today.</p><p>   or was this 3rd party program and if so can people really be this stupid?</p></blockquote><p>They can still get on top from the inside of the base. You can jump from the end of one of those aqueduct things to the place above the flag, if your speed if fast enough. It is much harder to get up there than before, so basically the change made it easier to isolate someone capable of getting up there from the rest of the game. I have to have sprint and my jumping boots on to make it up there. I suggest ignoring people up there so they get hit with the afk boot. :p</p>

[Ravenous]

<p>Yup you can still get to the top by the inside, or you can jump from your respawn point back to the walls. It is idiotic how many people think that you have to glitch in order to get up there. My Fae ranger can do it with wind walker and glide on, most of the time I don't even need Wind Walker though.</p>