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Mulaske

08-07-2010, 12:51 PM

What would be the life expectancy of a wood elf (in both EQ1 and EQ2)? Thanks!

Mulaske

08-07-2010, 01:03 PM

Oops...I posted with a dead character (RP wise). Anyway...Mulaske is me.

Cusashorn

08-07-2010, 01:13 PM

Wood Elves live up to 700 years or so, though this is from the pen and paper RPG. There is no official age limit given to any race in the game, but all elves except half elves can live beyond 600 years.

Mulaske

08-07-2010, 02:01 PM

All right. The reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to determine how many generations have passed between my original EQ1 character (who was created when Scars of Velious had just come out) and a current EQ2 character. The EQ2 character is a direct descendant of the EQ1 character and the family tree goes something like this...Original EQ1 character (M) Unknown (F) | | |---------------------------| | Son of EQ1 character Unknown (F) | | |------------------------------| | Grandson of EQ1 character...and so on. All the male characters in the bloodline are Wood Elves and each marries a Wood Elf female and has one son. Eventually, one of these sons becomes the current EQ2 character. But the question is: how many generations removed from the original EQ1 character is he? That is what I was trying to figure out with the original question.

Trevalon

08-07-2010, 02:53 PM

Im not great with this kinda thing, but my guess is just 1 generation - if hes REALLY young it may be 2 generations.There are people still alive from EQ1 days in EQ2, so its possible for your elf in EQ1 to be the same character in EQ2, but I wouldn't think it likely - it would probably be your EQ1 characters son meaning 1 generation - unless of course you want your character to be really young and it could be grandson.

Mulaske

08-07-2010, 02:58 PM

Since he has a son himself, I will probably go with him being my original character's son. Thanks!

Mary the Prophetess

08-08-2010, 05:37 AM

According to the Pen and Paper version, the Fier 'Dal have the following age ranges: Child Young-Adult Adult Middle-Aged Elderly Aged Long-Lived Exceptional001-030 031-180 181-270 271-360 361-450 451-540 541-0630 0631-0720Let's suppose that your EQ1 character was born one year after Antonius Bayle IV ascended to the throne: 5300Although Elves are much longer-lived than humans, their maturation rate is not so much different than say, the Ayr 'Dal. Meaning that reproductive age occurs perhaps by age 30 (give or take five years)Your character would have reached adulthood around 5335 or so. He spends the next century doing youthful things, exploring and adventuring. By age 75 he has become acqauinted with his future bride, and they carry on a relationship that becomes closer and closer until by age 100 they decide to wed.It is now the year 5400, and there are troubles on the horizon. The first spasms of the Rending are beginning to occur. Your character is in his low twenties in human terms. He and his new bride travel together for the next 35 years as the Rending begins in ernest.Fearing for the future, he and his bride decide that the time has come to have a child, and she conceives in the year 5449, and his son is born one year later. Your character would be in his mid-twenties in human terms.Despite troubles in the land, The son grows up strong and healthy, and joins his parents as an adult by the year 5480. As a family your character shares his travels and familial loyalty for the nest 20 years, but his son grows restless, and wants to strike out on his own. Your character is 200 years old now, and might be considered in his low thirties in human terms.The year is 5500, and upheavals occur every five to ten years. Earthquakes and terrible floodsare ravishing Norrath.Your character and his wife decide that now that their son has reached his maturity, and has chosen his own path, that they will have another child. By 5509 she is again with child and gives birth to a second child, a daughter this time.Tragedy befalls your character's family in 5530. His daughter is swept away in the now near-constant flooding, and is presumed to have drowned. Your character is now 2230 years old (perhaps in his mid-thirties in human terms)It is the height of the Rending. War and disasters are constant and unrelenting. By 5575 disaster once again befalls your character, as his wife and life companion is stricken down by fever, and dies at age 265Your character is now 275 years old, and in his low to mid-forties in human terms. Devastated by the loss of his life companion, and in personal despair, your character unleashes his pain and anger through warfare.For 50 years he fights as a sell-sword, trying to ease his sorrow. It is now the year 5625, and your character is 325 years of age. He would be in his late forties, or perhaps early fifties in human terms.By the year 5700, he is a broken man. Alone, and tired, he is 400 years old. (well into his fifties in human terms)But at this point fortune smiles upon your character, and he is reunited with his son, who is now 250 years old, and who has a wife and son of his own. Your character's grandson (which would be your EQ2 character), is 50 years old and was born in the year 5650; an adult but still a lad and full of youthful exuberance.The cataclysmic upheavals of the last 300 years seem to be lessening, and now your character's future looks bright.We are in the year 5700, and we still have 100 more years to go before we catch up with EQ2.There are still wars and the Shattering ahead. Your character will be about 500-550 years old in EQ2. In his early seventies in human terms. His son will be 350 years old, which equates to low fifties in human terms, and his grandson, (you in EQ2), will be 150 years old (Twenty-Something in human terms), and ready to strike out on his own and make his own way.Hope that helps.

ElnAckom

08-15-2010, 05:24 AM

As an in-game basis of comparison, on Everfrost it's currently 3845. Sesketh arrived in Freeport in 3728 and I estimate her hatch-date as approximately 3708.That makes her, a female Iksar, currently 137 years old. The desktop version gave 100 as the average Iksar lifespan and 160 as the outside figure. If we're talking Norrathian years, that makes Sesky an absolute geriatric, and clearly she's not. One has to take the pen-and-paper with a grain of salt methinks. Unless we're talking Terran years, in which case all bets are off!There have been <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=404655" target="_blank">other discussions on the subject</a> of the calendar and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2F search%3Fq%3Dcache%3AgpNSzOO_8T8J%3Aforums.station .sony.com%2Feq%2Fposts%2Flist.m%253Ftopic_id%253D4 9722%2Beq2%2Brace%2Blife%2Bexpectancy%2Biksar%2Bel f%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a&ei=pKNnTKrzF8O78gaq-6WzBA&usg=AFQjCNF4hBefx4I9gqLstWWjn20uJU__8A&sig2=RDhpzA19OzElaofuToAn3g" target="_blank">on the subject of life expectancies</a>, but keep in mind there's no real basis for comparison between a Norrath year and a Terran year in terms of the actual passage of time. Thanks to in-game sources we know the <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Norrathian_Code_of_Trade_Standards" target="_blank">Norrathian calendar</a> is fundamentally different than ours in some ways. (e.g., 10 days in a week, three major seasons.) One can get into a lot of speculation as to how "old" is "old!"

Cusashorn

08-15-2010, 01:32 PM

<cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>As an in-game basis of comparison, on Everfrost it's currently 3845. Sesketh arrived in Freeport in 3728 and I estimate her hatch-date as approximately 3708.That makes her, a female Iksar, currently 137 years old. The desktop version gave 100 as the average Iksar lifespan and 160 as the outside figure. If we're talking Norrathian years, that makes Sesky an absolute geriatric, and clearly she's not. One has to take the pen-and-paper with a grain of salt methinks. Unless we're talking Terran years, in which case all bets are off!There have been <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=404655" target="_blank">other discussions on the subject</a> of the calendar and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2F search%3Fq%3Dcache%3AgpNSzOO_8T8J%3Aforums.station .sony.com%2Feq%2Fposts%2Flist.m%253Ftopic_id%253D4 9722%2Beq2%2Brace%2Blife%2Bexpectancy%2Biksar%2Bel f%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a&ei=pKNnTKrzF8O78gaq-6WzBA&usg=AFQjCNF4hBefx4I9gqLstWWjn20uJU__8A&sig2=RDhpzA19OzElaofuToAn3g" target="_blank">on the subject of life expectancies</a>, but keep in mind there's no real basis for comparison between a Norrath year and a Terran year in terms of the actual passage of time. Thanks to in-game sources we know the <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Norrathian_Code_of_Trade_Standards" target="_blank">Norrathian calendar</a> is fundamentally different than ours in some ways. (e.g., 10 days in a week, three major seasons.) One can get into a lot of speculation as to how "old" is "old!"</blockquote>The year literally changes depending on what zone you are in. There's no accurate comparison of how old you are by in-game methods.

Eritius

08-15-2010, 02:23 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>According to the Pen and Paper version, the Fier 'Dal have the following age ranges: Child Young-Adult Adult Middle-Aged Elderly Aged Long-Lived Exceptional001-030 031-180 181-270 271-360 361-450 451-540 541-0630 0631-0720</blockquote>Is this EQ1RPG that you are taking this info from?Here's EQ2's:<img src="http://taesfreestuff.50webs.com/age.png" width="384" height="300" />

kelvmor

08-15-2010, 03:39 PM

<cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>As an in-game basis of comparison, on Everfrost it's currently 3845. Sesketh arrived in Freeport in 3728 and I estimate her hatch-date as approximately 3708.That makes her, a female Iksar, currently 137 years old. The desktop version gave 100 as the average Iksar lifespan and 160 as the outside figure. If we're talking Norrathian years, that makes Sesky an absolute geriatric, and clearly she's not. One has to take the pen-and-paper with a grain of salt methinks. Unless we're talking Terran years, in which case all bets are off!There have been <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=404655" target="_blank">other discussions on the subject</a> of the calendar and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2F search%3Fq%3Dcache%3AgpNSzOO_8T8J%3Aforums.station .sony.com%2Feq%2Fposts%2Flist.m%253Ftopic_id%253D4 9722%2Beq2%2Brace%2Blife%2Bexpectancy%2Biksar%2Bel f%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a&ei=pKNnTKrzF8O78gaq-6WzBA&usg=AFQjCNF4hBefx4I9gqLstWWjn20uJU__8A&sig2=RDhpzA19OzElaofuToAn3g" target="_blank">on the subject of life expectancies</a>, but keep in mind there's no real basis for comparison between a Norrath year and a Terran year in terms of the actual passage of time. Thanks to in-game sources we know the <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Norrathian_Code_of_Trade_Standards" target="_blank">Norrathian calendar</a> is fundamentally different than ours in some ways. (e.g., 10 days in a week, three major seasons.) One can get into a lot of speculation as to how "old" is "old!"</blockquote>This is how I see it.EqII started in the /time year of 3720. According to the Heroes' Festival, it was 5 years ago in that week that Lucan and Antonia let refugees in to Qeynos/Freeport. Meaning, the current year is 3726. Last year it was 3725, and so on and so forth.

ElnAckom

08-15-2010, 05:56 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>As an in-game basis of comparison, on Everfrost it's currently 3845. Sesketh arrived in Freeport in 3728 and I estimate her hatch-date as approximately 3708.That makes her, a female Iksar, currently 137 years old. The desktop version gave 100 as the average Iksar lifespan and 160 as the outside figure. If we're talking Norrathian years, that makes Sesky an absolute geriatric, and clearly she's not. One has to take the pen-and-paper with a grain of salt methinks. Unless we're talking Terran years, in which case all bets are off!There have been <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=404655" target="_blank">other discussions on the subject</a> of the calendar and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2F search%3Fq%3Dcache%3AgpNSzOO_8T8J%3Aforums.station .sony.com%2Feq%2Fposts%2Flist.m%253Ftopic_id%253D4 9722%2Beq2%2Brace%2Blife%2Bexpectancy%2Biksar%2Bel f%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a&ei=pKNnTKrzF8O78gaq-6WzBA&usg=AFQjCNF4hBefx4I9gqLstWWjn20uJU__8A&sig2=RDhpzA19OzElaofuToAn3g" target="_blank">on the subject of life expectancies</a>, but keep in mind there's no real basis for comparison between a Norrath year and a Terran year in terms of the actual passage of time. Thanks to in-game sources we know the <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Norrathian_Code_of_Trade_Standards" target="_blank">Norrathian calendar</a> is fundamentally different than ours in some ways. (e.g., 10 days in a week, three major seasons.) One can get into a lot of speculation as to how "old" is "old!"</blockquote>The year literally changes depending on what zone you are in. There's no accurate comparison of how old you are by in-game methods.</blockquote>Are you suggesting that /time has no relevance to a discussion about the passage of time in Norrath?

kelvmor

08-15-2010, 07:43 PM

<cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>As an in-game basis of comparison, on Everfrost it's currently 3845. Sesketh arrived in Freeport in 3728 and I estimate her hatch-date as approximately 3708.That makes her, a female Iksar, currently 137 years old. The desktop version gave 100 as the average Iksar lifespan and 160 as the outside figure. If we're talking Norrathian years, that makes Sesky an absolute geriatric, and clearly she's not. One has to take the pen-and-paper with a grain of salt methinks. Unless we're talking Terran years, in which case all bets are off!There have been <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=404655" target="_blank">other discussions on the subject</a> of the calendar and <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBsQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2F search%3Fq%3Dcache%3AgpNSzOO_8T8J%3Aforums.station .sony.com%2Feq%2Fposts%2Flist.m%253Ftopic_id%253D4 9722%2Beq2%2Brace%2Blife%2Bexpectancy%2Biksar%2Bel f%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26clien t%3Dfirefox-a&ei=pKNnTKrzF8O78gaq-6WzBA&usg=AFQjCNF4hBefx4I9gqLstWWjn20uJU__8A&sig2=RDhpzA19OzElaofuToAn3g" target="_blank">on the subject of life expectancies</a>, but keep in mind there's no real basis for comparison between a Norrath year and a Terran year in terms of the actual passage of time. Thanks to in-game sources we know the <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Norrathian_Code_of_Trade_Standards" target="_blank">Norrathian calendar</a> is fundamentally different than ours in some ways. (e.g., 10 days in a week, three major seasons.) One can get into a lot of speculation as to how "old" is "old!"</blockquote>The year literally changes depending on what zone you are in. There's no accurate comparison of how old you are by in-game methods.</blockquote>Are you suggesting that /time has no relevance to a discussion about the passage of time in Norrath?</blockquote>Pretty much, other than the year that eqII started in in revalence to the current time line. It's been nearly 6 years since EQII's birth. By game standards, today's date would probably be Warmstill 15th, 3726.

Cusashorn

08-15-2010, 07:57 PM

Lets put it this way. In Sentinal's Fate, Kingdom of Sky, and most instances where the sun isn't visible, /time will tell you that it's year 0.

kelvmor

08-15-2010, 08:05 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lets put it this way. In Sentinal's Fate, Kingdom of Sky, and most instances where the sun isn't visible, /time will tell you that it's year 0.</blockquote>It's also slightly different for every player.

Eritius

08-15-2010, 10:33 PM

This doesn't appear to be true on the LDL server. Same time, date, and year on as other players there, regardless of zone.

ElnAckom

08-15-2010, 11:01 PM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's been nearly 6 years since EQII's birth. By game standards, today's date would probably be Warmstill 15th, 3726.</blockquote>Earth years do not equal Norrathian years, so I don't accept the above statement. The "game standard" would seem to me to be /time. I find it troubling to ignore an in-game, lore-based mechanic, even if it's not perfectly consistent. To say "the current Norrathian year is not what the game says it is" (year zero bug aside) seems to be a non-game standard.To each his or her own!

Barx

08-16-2010, 11:24 AM

The in-game calendar has and always will be non-canonical for lore. During the 5-year celebration last year, it was mentioned that 5 years had elapsed from the start of the game, meaning that the rate of actual time flow in EQ2 is roughly the same as real life, not the in-game day/night cycle. Yeah it's a contradiction between what is observed (day/night in-game) and what is considered real, but it's a necessary separation so that day/night cycles are actually visible in game so that they can use them for quests and the like.

ElnAckom

08-16-2010, 07:31 PM

<cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>The in-game calendar has and always will be non-canonical for lore. During the 5-year celebration last year, it was mentioned that 5 years had elapsed from the start of the game, meaning that the rate of actual time flow in EQ2 is roughly the same as real life, not the in-game day/night cycle. Yeah it's a contradiction between what is observed (day/night in-game) and what is considered real, but it's a necessary separation so that day/night cycles are actually visible in game so that they can use them for quests and the like.</blockquote>I can accept "apocryphal," but I cannot accept a carte-blanche label of "non-canonical."Perhaps I'm approaching this from the perspective of other fictional universes that have had more time to develop - take "Star Trek" for example - but if it's in a book in-game, spoken by an NPC in-game, or displayed by a game function... that seems to me to be the definition of "canonical."In the case of a story evolving to contradict itself, the retcon has become an understood and expected aspect of many universes. The phrase "time warp" was used in lieu of "warp factor" in the pilot episode but as the fiction of Star Trek evolved, it was understood that the term was basically incorrect.But that doesn't mean we just pretend it was never said on-screen. We seek ways to understand and integrate it into the continuity of the fiction.Stardates are a perfect example. There is no established unequivocal on-screen canon for what a stardate really is aside from a standardized way to measure time. Some people think it's relative, others revised at some point by a bureaucracy... No matter what one might settle on or ponder about, the fact remains that when a stardate is given on screen, it's "canon."Gene Roddenberry basically wrote off the entire Star Trek V film as "apocryphal" because it really didn't fit the larger lore, but we're stuck with it in terms of recounting an accurate history of events.The five-year celebration on Norrath was a single event, and obviously the result of a real-world event. The expressions of days, dates, months, seasons, and years have been part of EverQuest II since launch.I'm just playing devil's advocate, as I realize it's quite accurate to say there is a lot of inconsistency on this subject, but I for one cannot accept that /time is just some insane erroneous bullcrap that we should discount so long as it's in game. I'd much prefer to continue puzzling the old noggin about the differential in time, or the experience thereof, between Norrath and Earth.Heck, it's more fun and more interesting to me than assuming the two planets share exactly the same daily period of rotation. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

kelvmor

08-16-2010, 08:22 PM

<cite>Sesketh@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's been nearly 6 years since EQII's birth. By game standards, today's date would probably be Warmstill 15th, 3726.</blockquote>Earth years do not equal Norrathian years, so I don't accept the above statement. The "game standard" would seem to me to be /time. I find it troubling to ignore an in-game, lore-based mechanic, even if it's not perfectly consistent. To say "the current Norrathian year is not what the game says it is" (year zero bug aside) seems to be a non-game standard.To each his or her own!</blockquote>Perhaps, but by the same standard, all of the human characters started at the beginning of the game that are still played now should have died, according to /time.The Heroes' Festival claimed that it was five years ago in that week that Lucan and Antonia started letting in refugees to their city. That's what Lucan and Antonia say themselves in their speeches. It's only logical to assume, using the timeline posted here (<a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/timeline.php">http://lorenorrath.free.fr/timeline.php</a>) but only stopping at the beginning of EverQuest II, that the current lore year would be 3726 (/time), 5966 (A.N.) and 2366 (A.G.). Norrath years -are- like Earth years. They have 12 month years, but with only 3 weeks in a month due to the 10-day week. The only reason /time goes so fast is for game mechanics and those quests you have to do at night. That's it.I mostly use this sort of time line because by now, my Iksar/human/barbarian/Erudite/half elf characters would have died of old age.