Planeshift

[metalhed]

<p>Hate when I PS my pet and a couple secs later it dies,what a waste. It should stay up as long as the conj didnt die. That way if you recast your pet while its up it keeps the buff, seems only fair since the lowest you can get the recast is 6 mins.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>It makes perfect sense the way it is . . . you are buffing an existing entity . . . if that entity is destroyed, he is no longer buffed.  Since the recast for Plane Shift starts when the cast is complete, the entire mechanic makes sense.</p><p>Yea, it sucks when that happens, but, well, it happens.</p>

[Lantis]

<p>I agree - PS should stay the way it is.  It is already a very powerful buff as it is, and as pointed out, it's a buff - it makes sense for it to disappear whenever the pet dies.</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It makes perfect sense the way it is . . . you are buffing an existing entity . . . if that entity is destroyed, he is no longer buffed.  Since the recast for Plane Shift starts when the cast is complete, the entire mechanic makes sense.</p><p>Yea, it sucks when that happens, but, well, it happens.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. I would much rather them fix the more important things than worry about our pet dieing with PS and not having it when our pet is resummoned.</p>

[Woetohice]

<p>What's your experience with Illsad and your pet? When the raid shifts back and forth out of the damage circle, the pet is often still inside it unless I call him. If I don't call him, sometimes he gets blown up, sometimes doesn't seem to take any damage from it at all.</p>

[metalhed]

<p>Yeah it does make perfect sense, but I would like it that way<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />. Mostly cause my Illy TW's my pet on inc too much and I can't not click EB!</p><p>The Illy knows I like to be 2nd in rotation and is being mean to me cause he knows I will click it.</p><p><strong>"What's your experience with Illsad and your pet?"</strong></p><p>I've not had any problems with my pet being in the circle that I recall, though you never know.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>Then your Illusionist is a (*@#!@ and there is really no defense for it.  It should be all about getting things dead, as a raid, as quickly and effectively as possible.</p>

[Alfeo]

<p>I concur about the planeshift stuff. Its a valuable spell that needs to be timed right. We don't need to have it changed to reward people who just use it carelessly. Though if you have planeshift up and are gonna do a TW'd EB, I'd definitely slap a few protections on the pet (stoneskin + death prevent) just in case and most of the time even if my pet does pull aggro the tank will get it back before the pet dies. And yeah, that illy is a jerk.</p><p>Also I've stopped caring where my pet was on the iilsaad fight for quite some time now If hes dying in that fight hes dying to the ae/frontal not the circles. The circles dont affect it at all.</p>

[Woetohice]

<p>I agree about PS. For EB I have Vehement and the de-aggro macro'd with it just in case, but yeah death prevent might be a good idea too.</p><p>I think you're right about Illsad - it must be the frontal, not the ring. Over the course of about 6 fights, my pet ripped while the tank was moving Illsad (not related to an EB), so now he wants me to pull the pet off during moves. Which I do, but bugs me that I'm losing dps. I'm behind the 3 wiz's and the sin on the parse, but I guess they're not dps'ing while running, so pet hate is going up relatively. Also wish we had a pet hate meter! (as discussed in another thread)</p>

[Banditman]

<p>With Iilsaad, and pretty much every single SF named, all of the AE's are divided into frontal and rear arc.  The frontal being much stronger.</p><p>If you don't have a Troub, try to get a Peaceful Link from a Coercer for your pet.  It helps some.</p>

[Harduc]

<p>my issue is the lack of shared resists. For the love of Erollisi, I can not keep my pet allive on Azara the Seer in Palace. The DoT hits me for a few K each tick, nothing to worry about, but it eats a whopping 60% of my pets health each tick, I can barely get a Heal/cure in before its smacked to the floor. I have used up my pet heal, stoneskins and death save within 15-20 seconds after the first aoe, after that its futile to summon the pet again for the rest of the fight.</p><p>I dont really have any Issues with Barrier, I just move out of the circle and call the pet to me.</p>

[Lantis]

<p><cite>Harduc@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>my issue is the lack of shared resists. For the love of Erollisi, I can not keep my pet allive on Azara the Seer in Palace. The DoT hits me for a few K each tick, nothing to worry about, but it eats a whopping 60% of my pets health each tick, I can barely get a Heal/cure in before its smacked to the floor. I have used up my pet heal, stoneskins and death save within 15-20 seconds after the first aoe, after that its futile to summon the pet again for the rest of the fight.</p><p>I dont really have any Issues with Barrier, I just move out of the circle and call the pet to me.</p></blockquote><p>I have little trouble on Azara.  Try not healing your pet unless its HP gets real low, since the first tick hits harder.  WIth luck, you have a healer that does AE heals, which will keep your pet healed without curing the arcane effect (which your own heal cures).</p><p>My main issues with the pet these days are only inside Underfoot.  Some of these fights are nightmarish for the pet.</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p>It is a matter of timing things right and knowing when to pop a deathsave / ward trigger for the pet. It comes with lots of practice on those names. For instance when I first started running tox hard mode on my conj, I think my pet died an average of 6 times everytime.</p><p>Now, it doesn't die at all.</p><p>Once the timers are known and are programmed in GC (guild connect) or ACT ... just time them properly. Most fights in SF don't require a lot of moving, thankfully. So All thats left is watching your pet, keeping him near you (if possibly... sometimes its near impossible), timing your wards, and blowing shiat up! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As for the TW's I have an illy in my guild who refuses to TW my pet. I have the highest burst DPS in my guild at 965k (my highest so far) but typically over 900k EB's... if timewarped, and he still refuses to do it.</p><p>And the other illies know to TW me first, within the first 15-20 seconds of a fight since that is ample time for my tank to generate enough agro, and also gives me enough time to temp my pet up during the "Hard mode" switch.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>If you aren't already using it, consider breaking out Iilsaad's Control Rod on harder fights.  It's made a world of difference for me.  I rarely have to do anything for my pet at all even on hard mode encounters when I am using it.</p><p>Obviously, I am keeping my pet close enough that he gets all the group heals from our Priest(s).  Some fights he does tend to wander a bit (as mentioned in another thread here) and I have to make sure I Call Servant every time it's up.</p><p>Heck, my pet usually ends up tanking the Energymaster adds on Vaclaz and doesn't really take all that much damage as long as he's with 20m of the raid.</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p>I agree that the wand is pretty [Removed for Content] nice, but it takes away too much dps from me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I prefer trying harder to keep the pet from dieing and dpsing than relaxing back with that wand</p>

[Badmotorfinger]

<p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p>

[Lantis]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you aren't already using it, consider breaking out Iilsaad's Control Rod on harder fights.  It's made a world of difference for me.  I rarely have to do anything for my pet at all even on hard mode encounters when I am using it.</p><p>Obviously, I am keeping my pet close enough that he gets all the group heals from our Priest(s).  Some fights he does tend to wander a bit (as mentioned in another thread here) and I have to make sure I Call Servant every time it's up.</p><p>Heck, my pet usually ends up tanking the Energymaster adds on Vaclaz and doesn't really take all that much damage as long as he's with 20m of the raid.</p></blockquote><p>I like using the Wand of Elemental Mastery myself - it's a 25% HP boost for the pet if I recall.</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p></blockquote><p>yeah with defensive ... my pet would end up tanking 90% of raid mobs...</p><p>as for the wand, i can not find people to run it for me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>and when i finally do, it never drops anyways... so i gave up on that wand</p>

[Banditman]

<p>I have the Staff of Elemental Mastery, and I use it as a my primary off hand item.  Frankly, I haven't seen anything that comes close to it.  I might replace it with MC V or *maybe* PF V . . . but I haven't been able to find either of those in an offhand item.</p><p>Still, I like Iilsaad's Control Rod for hard fights.  Even one pet death will totally offset any DPS gain I might get from the Sublime Dagger.  With ICR, I don't have pet deaths.</p>

[Badmotorfinger]

<p><cite>Oonej@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p></blockquote><p>yeah with defensive ... my pet would end up tanking 90% of raid mobs...</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, it's situational.  It doesn't work the best on consistent burn mobs... but anything with adds or somthing that lets the MT generate extra hate, works.  You can also offset a lot of the hate increase by spamming spaming Magic Leash</p>

[Alfeo]

<p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oonej@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p></blockquote><p>yeah with defensive ... my pet would end up tanking 90% of raid mobs...</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, it's situational.  It doesn't work the best on consistent burn mobs... but anything with adds or somthing that lets the MT generate extra hate, works.  You can also offset a lot of the hate increase by spamming spaming Magic Leash</p></blockquote><p>I guarentee ~4000-5000 detaunts even if they crit is going to do nothing to offset defense stance. Defense stance + TW-EB = Your pet gets to MT now. Unless you just stop attacking with your pet for long periods of time or just dont have any good pet gear at all.</p><p>And I dunno about the staff, pet gets plenty of casting from carnage and reuse is meh given its pretty lack luster AI. Both of those stats are subject to diminishing returns as well. The health is nice but in my opinion, Icebound Tome of Necrotic Theory, Void-Touched Symbol of Calling or hell, even Najena's Effigy/Rod of Reaping are superior choices to the staff of ele mastery atm. You lose alot of PF going for those super high potency/critbonus items for other slots and even PFIII adds up if you get enough of them.</p><p>Also would say Iilsaad's for me is a last resort. I lose alot of dps swapping out sublime so i'm loathe to do it. I think if you have to use iilsaad's to keep your pet alive then sure its better than a dead pet, but I do think you should seriously investigate every other option before resorting to this for a fight. Personally only fight I use it on right now is vaclaz cause the scout pet is horribly lame, even then I still have to joust most of the aes with it or it splats pretty quickly.</p><p>WTB warlock clicky effect for mage pet please :/</p>

[Badmotorfinger]

<p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oonej@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p></blockquote><p>yeah with defensive ... my pet would end up tanking 90% of raid mobs...</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, it's situational.  It doesn't work the best on consistent burn mobs... but anything with adds or somthing that lets the MT generate extra hate, works.  You can also offset a lot of the hate increase by spamming spaming Magic Leash</p></blockquote><p>I guarentee ~4000-5000 detaunts even if they crit is going to do nothing to offset defense stance. Defense stance + TW-EB = Your pet gets to MT now. Unless you just stop attacking with your pet for long periods of time or just dont have any good pet gear at all.</p></blockquote><p>Apparently my bad for assuming someone would use common sense on when to use the suggeston... </p><p> It was in fact a suggestion for situations where you don't have the said gear and for when there's breaks on the named for extra agro... I did it before i had some of the gear I have now, and it worked fine..  Whatever..  I sure wasn't saying it was a fix for everyone to use at all times.</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Oonej@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can always go defensive stance with the pet too.  It's helped me on certain occasions.</p></blockquote><p>yeah with defensive ... my pet would end up tanking 90% of raid mobs...</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, it's situational.  It doesn't work the best on consistent burn mobs... but anything with adds or somthing that lets the MT generate extra hate, works.  You can also offset a lot of the hate increase by spamming spaming Magic Leash</p></blockquote><p>I guarentee ~4000-5000 detaunts even if they crit is going to do nothing to offset defense stance. Defense stance + TW-EB = Your pet gets to MT now. Unless you just stop attacking with your pet for long periods of time or just dont have any good pet gear at all.</p></blockquote><p>Apparently my bad for assuming someone would use common sense on when to use the suggeston... </p><p> It was in fact a suggestion for situations where you don't have the said gear and for when there's breaks on the named for extra agro... I did it before i had some of the gear I have now, and it worked fine..  Whatever..  I sure wasn't saying it was a fix for everyone to use at all times.</p></blockquote><p>Of course, i understood it as a situational thing, but in no situation would I ever do it.... If my pet is getting beat, i would definantly throw on the ward wand for the pet... if it comes to that, then it is something either a) we are getting timers for a fight, or b) the aoe's are just too powerful for my pet to eat 100% of the time, and try to get better at timing the absorbs and hoping my pet doesn't act stupid and run in at times where it shouldn't be in... lol</p>

[Badmotorfinger]

<p>lol, i hear ya.  I should have mentioned it being progessional as well...  Apparently i'm currently set in "defensive" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Alfeo]

<p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Apparently my bad for assuming someone would use common sense on when to use the suggeston... </p><p> It was in fact a suggestion for situations where you don't have the said gear and for when there's breaks on the named for extra agro... I did it before i had some of the gear I have now, and it worked fine..  Whatever..  I sure wasn't saying it was a fix for everyone to use at all times.</p></blockquote><p>Heh sorry I didn't mean to be too critical or anything. You're right if for whatever circumstances you dont have to worry about aggro, you dont lose much by using def stance. I guess im just so used to aggro being so touchy with the pet in general, that im loathe to suggest def stance since it seems like a dangerous habit.</p><p>Good pun though =P</p>

[JenoJeno]

<p><cite>Alfeo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Badmotorfinger@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Apparently my bad for assuming someone would use common sense on when to use the suggeston... </p><p> It was in fact a suggestion for situations where you don't have the said gear and for when there's breaks on the named for extra agro... I did it before i had some of the gear I have now, and it worked fine..  Whatever..  I sure wasn't saying it was a fix for everyone to use at all times.</p></blockquote><p>Heh sorry I didn't mean to be too critical or anything. You're right if for whatever circumstances you dont have to worry about aggro, you dont lose much by using def stance. I guess im just so used to aggro being so touchy with the pet in general, that im loathe to suggest def stance since it seems like a dangerous habit.</p><p>Good pun though =P</p></blockquote><p>yeah, typically ANY name.... you can't use defensive. trash there is no reason to be in def stance... so lol... i guess i'm saying its pointless to cast, unless soloing or plan on tanking something with the pet</p>