So devs...wheres the BG leaderboards and seasonal awards you promised..? [Archive]

Wigg

08-02-2010, 12:28 PM

You know, funny thing is, this kind of leader board would actually HELP SOE catch those that go in and AFK in BGs. Think about it, you could see the amount of matches someone has done and see the amount of kills/damage/heals they have credit for. Granted it wouldn't knock out all, but it could get some major offenders. Plus i just really want to know who the top players are in each tier so i can make it a goal to go after them. =)

Yimway

08-02-2010, 12:53 PM

The usage of BG's hasn't been nearly as big as they had hoped, as such, it doesn't seem like they are pouring any resources into makeing it better.Or, there are other things with much higher importance out there.But I remember reading a comment indicating dissapointment at the overall player engagement into this system.

bRz

08-02-2010, 01:30 PM

+1Adding leaderboards alone will incentivize playing bgs. More carrots on sticks is the MO of MMO's

Uinael_Guk

08-02-2010, 06:41 PM

<cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>The usage of BG's hasn't been nearly as big as they had hoped, as such, it doesn't seem like they are pouring any resources into makeing it better.Or, there are other things with much higher importance out there.But I remember reading a comment indicating dissapointment at the overall player engagement into this system.</blockquote>I read this too and you're right. They're about done with BG's because of the lower than expected turn out. Of course it is their fault it was lower than expected since it's launch was full of fail and then blaming US for not testing it harder. Then having a horrible matchmaking system, countless bugs, horrible class imbalance, and flaws on each map making them more frustrating than fun... but it was our fault for not testing it properly lol.BG's turned me on to pvp in MMO's, and my next game i'll make sure they have a type of pvp system, maybe even join a pvp server, so it's too bad they've given up on it when I really think it could have been a fun thing had they launched it better.

Beef_Supre

08-02-2010, 06:59 PM

I hope BG's haven't been abandoned, I'm having a blast in the Tier 4, and have no desire to stop playing them.. ever.My Guildies feel the same, and maybe it's just at our 30-39 range, but they are *FUN*. There is only the occasional issue at this Tier, and mostly it's really, really enjoyable. More importantly than just my own personal feelings about them, they are pretty well populated (at this range!) from what I can tell.I'm able to get BG's of all kinds at pretty much any time of day currently, and me 'n the Guild have made this a huge focus of our playstyle. We all stay under 39, pile up aa's, and build for PvP with our specs and gear. It's FUN, and we get to PvP without having to move away from the RPing community we enjoy so much.I really, really hope that the further development and improvement of them happens, and that they build upon this really enjoyable part of the game. Battlegrounds offer me something that I can hop in and out of quickly, but that stays really competitve and lively.Don't you dare let em fade away, Devs! This is something I've been waiting for.

Crismorn

08-02-2010, 08:27 PM

idk how they think the bg's are not getting used since I can queue up and be in games within minutes at any time of the day, during any day of the week on my 90.The lower tiers might be slow, but thats to be expected when you go from just having 80 and 90 tiers to adding 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70.

Uinael_Guk

08-03-2010, 02:26 AM

I think they just expected a far better reaction, and like I said that's their own doing. BG's was very popular when released. Half my guild was doing it, and some even considered quitting raiding because doing BG's was far more entertaining.I'd be willing to bet a large % of lvl 90's were trying out BG's, but perhaps they were expecting word of mouth to spread and people re-sub to EQ2 just for BG's, since that's the bottom line after all. SOE cares about one thing, and one thing only.. and it's not game experience. They mask their care about profit by adding these features (like BG's) and act like it's about game experience, but it's the other way around. They add the features to try and increase profit, nothing else. When it was launched, we all knew people doing it, but how many of us know people who re-subbed just for it? I don't know a single person who did, and I think that's what they were aiming for imo. Because of that, they considered it a failure and moved on not caring that it improved the game experience of current subscribers. They don't care about current subs, they're already milking money from us.Maybe they should have added microtransactions to BG's, then we'd see constant updates <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I miss when gaming companies first priority wasn't profit.

Crismorn

08-03-2010, 05:52 AM

I re-subd for bg's

Ahlana

08-03-2010, 12:05 PM

<cite>Beef_Supreme wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope BG's haven't been abandoned, I'm having a blast in the Tier 4, and have no desire to stop playing them.. ever.My Guildies feel the same, and maybe it's just at our 30-39 range, but they are *FUN*. There is only the occasional issue at this Tier, and mostly it's really, really enjoyable. More importantly than just my own personal feelings about them, they are pretty well populated (at this range!) from what I can tell.I'm able to get BG's of all kinds at pretty much any time of day currently, and me 'n the Guild have made this a huge focus of our playstyle. We all stay under 39, pile up aa's, and build for PvP with our specs and gear. It's FUN, and we get to PvP without having to move away from the RPing community we enjoy so much.I really, really hope that the further development and improvement of them happens, and that they build upon this really enjoyable part of the game. Battlegrounds offer me something that I can hop in and out of quickly, but that stays really competitve and lively.Don't you dare let em fade away, Devs! This is something I've been waiting for.</blockquote>QFE I made an alt and locked at 39 solely for PVP in the BGs at this range.. There doesn't seem to be an OP class in general in this tier.. some are harder to kill than others, but some are far... far easier (cough SKs lol). Overall I am enjoying this tier over other tiers for PVP.. good times.

NardacMM

08-03-2010, 12:39 PM

I am loving BGs. And I convinced a friend to start playing again for them and now he plays every single day (both PvE as well as BG)They have been fantastic and I hope they continue to support them. For me, it's been great to be able to play 10-20 min at a time and then go take care of real life. No group formation and 2 hour instance to tie me up.

Ahlana

08-03-2010, 12:44 PM

<cite>NardacMM wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am loving BGs. And I convinced a friend to start playing again for them and now he plays every single day (both PvE as well as BG)</blockquote>Ditto... after the suckage that was SF I quit EQ2 for 4 1/2 months. I came back because I convinced a few friends to resub to do T4 BGs. 3 accounts back solely for the BG experiance /shrug

Uinael_Guk

08-03-2010, 01:39 PM

Wow, that's surprising. My brother was close to coming back mostly to play in BG's with me, but I told him the truth about it and he quickly changed his mind.I simply said at 90 there is no entry point so he's going to get destroyed over and over for a long time. Also, the maps have a lot of flaws that devs refuse to look at, there are some classes who are impossible to kill unless 3+ people (usually at a lot more) are attacking them, yet devs refuse to look into that too, and finally they're still pretty buggy, and again, the devs are sitting on their hands there as well.It's really hard to sell someone on BG's at this point, unless you stretch the truth.

Beef_Supre

08-03-2010, 01:46 PM

Well, like some of us are finding.. the T4 Battlegrounds are a *GREAT* entry point.160 aa's, BG armor and extras that cost about 400 tokens total, lvl 30-39, and a set of Masters that won't take all that much.. that's the *best* you can be at this point, so even wearing Mastercrafted and having 60 or 70 aa's makes you completely competitive, and I've seen people in there able to do well with even less.While it may not be playing on your lvl 90 Main, it is FUN. And that's way more important for anything you might do on a regular basis. Plus, if your 90 Main being in Battlegrounds is your goal, you can stockpile the massive amounts of Tokens your 30 earns and buy gear for you high-end Main.If it sounds like I'm trying to sell you on T4, well, I am! The more, the merrier.. and it's pretty [Removed for Content] merry already. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

Uinael_Guk

08-03-2010, 04:24 PM

T4 actually does sound fun and i'm thinking of checking to see if I have any alts, but the problem is it's not a great entry into T9, T8, T7, etc. It's definitely a good introduction to BG's and pvp, but going into T9 BG's is a shock to the system unless you get full T8 geared and even then it's still a shock. A problem with T8 gear is that it's almost as expensive as T9, so it's either commit to lvl 89 and gear up (I know a person who did that) or run it at lvl 80, stock up on tokens and buy a few pieces when you hit 90. I was able to do that with my alt, and even that was still a shock to the system. A good entry point would have been to rank players based on pvp experience and try to group people together that way, which also leads to leaderboards and such. Another easier way would be to have a pvp gear score which can help matchmaking as well.. but the matchmaker is pretty mediocre as is, can't expect it to do anything advanced like that and not take an hour to set up matches. This is SOE we're talking about, not Blizzard.

Mary the Prophetess

08-03-2010, 04:49 PM

Speaking only for T4 I can say without hesitation that it is a terrific idea, and that there are a horde of people playing. It is very enjoyable, and you get to know the regulars and enjoy a true spirit of friendly commaraderie.I recommend it to any and all. If you are struggling at T9, then make an alt and get into T4. You won't regret it.

Xiotia

08-03-2010, 05:11 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Speaking only for T4 I can say without hesitation that it is a terrific idea, and that there are a horde of people playing. It is very enjoyable, and you get to know the regulars and enjoy a true spirit of friendly commaraderie.I recommend it to any and all. If you are struggling at T9, then make an alt and get into T4. You won't regret it.</blockquote>It is very enjoyable, and its rare that we have name calling and cursing during the fight (One of the main things that turned me off of Battlegrounds when first introduced). Its sad when someone decides to level on.

Pervis

08-03-2010, 05:13 PM

Its the SOE way, people aren't using it, so instead of fixing it to make it worthwhile, they ignore it.

Xiotia

08-03-2010, 05:27 PM

I also read that you are considering moving Innis past t4 to t5. DON'T DO IT! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Mary the Prophetess

08-03-2010, 05:28 PM

You convinced me.

Uinael_Guk

08-04-2010, 01:18 AM

What's a good class to play in T4? I don't want to play another fighter, I want something fun.

Mary the Prophetess

08-04-2010, 04:10 AM

Healers are always wanted, but it is a very demanding class, (and mostly under appreciated). Rangers can put out a huge amount of DPS, and Swashbucklers drive me nuts.Really though, any class is a good class to play once you are geared up, mastered out and have a decent amount of AAs.Nice thing is, that even with nothing but Mastercrafted gear and expert spells/CAs, you can still be competitive. Battlegrounds really are a team effort; nobody can win on their own. All classes, and all players can, (and do), contribute.Level up an alt, and join the fun.

Xiotia

08-04-2010, 10:49 AM

Don't forget mages, Illusionists and coercers can turn the tides in some battles, and several mages out there seem indestructible.

Beef_Supre

08-04-2010, 11:06 AM

Yeah, the Enchanters can be a thorn in the side.. big time.If they spot a player being dominant, or just get tweaked off at someone in particular, they can really make that target miserable. They go down fast, no doubt, but I've seen a *really* good Illusionist turn the tide in a Gears match, and when partnered with a Taunt-spamming Tank, they can be a lesson in frustration.The two best Warlocks I can think of are super impressive, topping the DPS every time, and I personally make Dirges a primary target when I see them.

Ahlana

08-04-2010, 02:52 PM

<cite>Luceus@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>What's a good class to play in T4? I don't want to play another fighter, I want something fun.</blockquote>I play a coercer in this tier. I don't run around owning face (though usually 1v1 with a good rotation I win), but boy can I sure slow people down long enough for someone else to own their face lol.My wife plays a healer in the bracket with me so my survivability is pretty good and the combo added with some dps doesn't seem to have many problems. Solo though scouts (in quantities greater than 1) are really the only archtype that gives me any problems.

Jeht

08-04-2010, 04:38 PM

i wouldn't mind leaderboards as long as i could still go afk and get rewarded

Etibe

08-06-2010, 02:07 AM

im really surprised this thread hasn't been deleted. but at the same time its not surprising that the mods are ignoring it. i alternate between this and another mmo. this game to me has better solo and raiding while the other is better for pvp. an expansion comes out, i level my character, gear him up pretty good, then dump my sub. i then spend the other 7-9 months out of the year in a more enjoyable pvp setting. it seems im not the only one doing it. how many other have complained about the summer time blues or noticed their servers explode to life after an expansion is released. its not that people arn't playing this game anymore its that they are bored.