Quit After Playing One Day

[burnhuma]

<p>Just wasted $40 on the Collectors Edition. Played for less than 24 hours and got 2 shotted everytime I encountered another player on the opposite faction. PvP on this game is not new-user friendly. It was very frustrating, especially when the people one-shotting me were only level 15 and were able to kill me repeatedly with level 30 guards smacking on them.</p><p>This game has been uninstalled and I have literally disposed the CDs into the trash.</p>

[Jonaroth]

<p>make a toon on non PVP server?</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">People who want to participate in PvP need to understand that it takes perseverence and foresight to succeed and prevail.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If you have nothing on a PvP server, your best bet is to level a tradeskill and harvest, crafting armor and selling it, buying rares and reselling the crafted product.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Until you accrue enough wealth to fully equip yourself in at least mastercrafted and adept 3s, you should not advance past 10.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">This was my strategy when I began on Nagafen in March 2006, before I was deleted for transmuting in battlegrounds on the original Seliri.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">A good guide for preparing one's self in the PvP arena can be reviewed at <a href="http://www.tinyurl.com/pvpbriefing/" target="_blank">http://www.tinyurl.com/pvpbriefing</a>. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Hopefully you come to recognize, that in MMOs, longevity, dedication, and commitment are the productive principles for those who reap plentifully.</span></p>

[burnhuma]

<p>Everquest pvp is just not for me. There is no reason imo to have to do tons of work just to level the playing field on pvp in the NEWBIE zone. I appreciate the feedback but the only reason I really posted htis thread was to point out maybe why EQ2 has so little subscribers, at least for pvp.</p><p>I have better things to do than stay at level 10 for weeks just so I can have a chance in the very lowest of pvp brackets. There are other games out there I am sure that are fun to pvp in, not a frustrating second job.</p>

[Obadiah]

<p>EQ2 PVP is a bit lacking, and for new players it is anything but inviting. When I started on the PVP server I had some ideas of where to not find a lot of people of the opposing faction looking to kill me. How does a new player have any idea? I also rolled a scout, so it's not like I was ever surprised by anyone that could kill me. I didn't worry about having Adept 3s or MC gear before hitting 10 as I had no intention of remaining level 10 for more than 30 minutes. That's a bit overkill IMO, just avoid people.</p><p>And you have people completely twinked farming newb areas for their mains these days. It's a bit annoying. IMO it should be level 20 now before open PVP instead of 10 only because the newbie zones go up to a higher level. 10 made sense when you could start on the Isle. When New Halas et al are level 1-25 ... it's not very good design IMO.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>Just remember that all of those level 15ish players failed miserably on their main character so hiding out and killing new people is pretty much the only option they have to win at this game.</p>

[hyste]

<p>lol how sad that you give up so quickly. I remember my first toon I had to of died at least 30 times just learning what to do. give it a few days and level up before you quit .</p>

[zyllith]

<p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wasted $40 on the Collectors Edition. Played for less than 24 hours and got 2 shotted everytime I encountered another player on the opposite faction. PvP on this game is not new-user friendly. It was very frustrating, especially when the people one-shotting me were only level 15 and were able to kill me repeatedly with level 30 guards smacking on them.</p><p>This game has been uninstalled and I have literally disposed the CDs into the trash.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry to hear that, may I suggest a PvE server?  That has the same content, and PvP is contained to things called "BattleGrounds" where you can choose to PvP at a time and place of your choosing ...</p><p>Another poster earlier made a very insightful observation: he/she said that PvP is "the ability to annoy other players, and to be annoyed".  That's the essence of what you have discovered -- there are people in this world who derive personal satisfaction from causing misery to others (schoolyard bullies, for example) and when they get older they discover PvP which again gives them an opportunity to gain satisfaction from causing misery to others. </p><p>That's not so say that all, or even a large portion, of the PvP population has this mindset -- few do.  However, because a PvP server again allows one to "annoy other players" those "griefing" people congregate at areas where new people start, and specialize in just what you experienced for that personal satisfaction of causing misery to others.  By rolling on a PvP server you make yourself vulnerable to that.</p><p>That said, there is a lot that a PvP server has to offer that a PvE doesn't -- an edge, if you will.  It's much easier these days to avoid griefers by using the bell transports, playing in instances and by using the Warfield participation awards to gear yourself quickly to where the one-shot-wonders will have a hard time doing just that.  I sincerely hope that you'll give EQ2 another try, ask on these forums how to use each of these things and realize that you've simply experienced the "bad part" of a rather wonderful town ...</p>

[wayfaerer]

<p>Once you get to level 20 and get out of the bottom feeders hunting areas then you'd be fine.</p><p>I had the same problem, I had something like 60 PvP deaths from level 10 to 20 thanks to levelling in Darklight Woods.</p><p>Then I had maybe 15 PvP deaths total all the way from 20 to 90..</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p>

[zyllith]

<p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p>

[Shiirr]

<p>He's rarely wrong, excpet when he'd get suspended for exploiting or deleted for ... exploiting.</p><p>Wait,  that's all the time.  Nevermind. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Learning to play the game on Nagafen is a bad idea.  Always was.  There's no PvP tutorial, and you can hit level 10 in an hour.  The game takes more than an hour to learn.  It really is that simple.  Level 10 is too low for PvP, and always was.</p>

[Sprin]

<p>On the first few hours of Pac Man I couldnt beat the game...  those ghosts ate me repeatedly and I quit... i threw my joystick out and will never play the game again.....</p><p>I just bought Dig Dug and I cant get through level one... that game blows, i quit</p><p>I just got this cool game called Contra... and I just cant seem to beat the entire game in one day... the game SUCKS!... im taking it back to Egghead!</p><p>Man... I played Mortal Kombat for the first time tonight and I died like 4 times... WORST GAME EVER!!!</p><p>DUDE!!!  so i just bought Tiger Woods 2004 and I cant get holes in one and cant beat the game by this weekend... I cant BELIEVE how crappy this game is... im using the disks as coasters now...</p><p>Yeah... you sound about like that....  good riddens TBH</p>

[Sapphy]

<p>Why do I get the feeling this thread and "monster" are totally related? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Kurgan@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>EQ2 PVP is a bit lacking, and for new players it is anything but inviting. When I started on the PVP server I had some ideas of where to not find a lot of people of the opposing faction looking to kill me. How does a new player have any idea? I also rolled a scout, so it's not like I was ever surprised by anyone that could kill me. I didn't worry about having Adept 3s or MC gear before hitting 10 as I had no intention of remaining level 10 for more than 30 minutes. That's a bit overkill IMO, just avoid people.</p><p>And you have people completely twinked farming newb areas for their mains these days. It's a bit annoying. IMO it should be level 20 now before open PVP instead of 10 only because the newbie zones go up to a higher level. 1<span style="color: #ff0000;">0 made sense when you could start on the Isle. When New Halas et al are level 1-25 ... it's not very good design IMO.</span></p></blockquote><p>One for the /feedback</p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p>I've kinda said it a billion times.</p><p>PvP is NOT for new players, and never has been. Maybe more so now, but it has never been new player friendly in the slightest. Go roll your toon on the blue servers, learn how to play, then get back to us.</p><p>Back years ago when I started PvP (after a while on a pve server, cause I'm not mentally handicapped), none of this fancy new gear, or fancy new zones existed, and I remember very well being one shotted by like every level 13 than ran by me. Especially those [Removed for Content] troubs that just picked up their t2 perfect shrill master, good god.</p>

[Tremonti]

<p><cite>Ghettoblaster@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>On the first few hours of Pac Man I couldnt beat the game...  those ghosts ate me repeatedly and I quit... i threw my joystick out and will never play the game again.....</p><p>I just bought Dig Dug and I cant get through level one... that game blows, i quit</p><p>I just got this cool game called Contra... and I just cant seem to beat the entire game in one day... the game SUCKS!... im taking it back to Egghead!</p><p>Man... I played Mortal Kombat for the first time tonight and I died like 4 times... WORST GAME EVER!!!</p><p>DUDE!!!  so i just bought Tiger Woods 2004 and I cant get holes in one and cant beat the game by this weekend... I cant BELIEVE how crappy this game is... im using the disks as coasters now...</p><p>Yeah... you sound about like that....  good riddens TBH</p></blockquote><p>You really like your games vintage, don't you? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Bosconi]

<p><cite>zyllith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Point is, there aren't griefers aside from those with perceptions of self-entitlement. Individuals open themselves up to being annoyed.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If someone wants to seek PvP in T2, more power to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are those open to discovering how to enjoy content, and there are those that aren't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Those that stay in the same area after repeatedly going out to die again are simply putting themselves at risk for irritability and annoyance.</span></p>

[burnhuma]

<blockquote><p>Yeah... you sound about like that....  good riddens TBH</p><p>"Good Riddens?" Great spelling guy. Maybe stop playing so many video games and brush up on gradeschool skills.</p></blockquote>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zyllith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Point is, there aren't griefers aside from those with perceptions of self-entitlement. Individuals open themselves up to being annoyed.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If someone wants to seek PvP in T2, more power to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are those open to discovering how to enjoy content, and there are those that aren't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Those that stay in the same area after repeatedly going out to die again are simply putting themselves at risk for irritability and annoyance.</span></p></blockquote><p>So people that twink out lvl 13 players speciifically to kill people that are new to this game are just misunderstood and they are infact trying to teach new players the ropes?</p><p>All this time I thought it was because they were terrible vs evenly skilled opponents so they were hiding out in lowbie tiers for a chance to actually kill someone.</p>

[Barzzboi]

<p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote><p>Yeah... you sound about like that....  good riddens TBH</p><p>"Good Riddens?" Great spelling guy. Maybe stop playing so many video games and brush up on gradeschool skills.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Good riddance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>Best thing to do as a new player is to lvl to about 40 and then start pvp.</p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zyllith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Point is, there aren't griefers aside from those with perceptions of self-entitlement. Individuals open themselves up to being annoyed.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If someone wants to seek PvP in T2, more power to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are those open to discovering how to enjoy content, and there are those that aren't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Those that stay in the same area after repeatedly going out to die again are simply putting themselves at risk for irritability and annoyance.</span></p></blockquote><p>So people that twink out lvl 13 players speciifically to kill people that are new to this game are just misunderstood and they are infact trying to teach new players the ropes?</p><p>All this time I thought it was because they were terrible vs evenly skilled opponents so they were hiding out in lowbie tiers for a chance to actually kill someone.</p></blockquote><p>If 2 epic trolls start trolling each other, what happens? =O</p>

[Bosconi]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zyllith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Point is, there aren't griefers aside from those with perceptions of self-entitlement. Individuals open themselves up to being annoyed.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If someone wants to seek PvP in T2, more power to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are those open to discovering how to enjoy content, and there are those that aren't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Those that stay in the same area after repeatedly going out to die again are simply putting themselves at risk for irritability and annoyance.</span></p></blockquote><p>So people that twink out lvl 13 players speciifically to kill people that are new to this game are just misunderstood and they are infact trying to teach new players the ropes?</p><p>All this time I thought it was because they were terrible vs evenly skilled opponents so they were hiding out in lowbie tiers for a chance to actually kill someone.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Your jaded perception is irrelevant. They're enjoying content through the means available.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Does that mean PvP, where opposition dies? Yup.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Are there other T2 twinks that they compete against? Yup.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">It has nothing to do with teaching being a relevant priority of theirs, as that's the job of the initiate, to seek to be taught by veterans if they truly are clueless, prior to letting themselves get demoralized.</span></p>

[BMonkeeus]

The QQ is strong in this one...

[Shiirr]

<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>zyllith wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bosconi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">[Removed for Content]. Healthy competition like PvP isn't causing misery or annoyance, and trying to act like it is is just an attempt to egotistically condescend and trivialize the preferred hobbies of others.</span></p></blockquote><p>Umm ... okay ... first I said that only a minority were causing misery or annoyance, second I'd like you to carefully read the opening statement and later statements in the thread a few lines away which is titled "Monster" and share your thoughts on what might be the preferred hobby of the original "Monster" poster and how that might somehow in some obscure way relate to the experience shared by *THIS* original poster.  Then, carefully reread my response again noting the statements of the "Monster" poster ... ..... .... ....</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Point is, there aren't griefers aside from those with perceptions of self-entitlement. Individuals open themselves up to being annoyed.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">If someone wants to seek PvP in T2, more power to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">There are those open to discovering how to enjoy content, and there are those that aren't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Those that stay in the same area after repeatedly going out to die again are simply putting themselves at risk for irritability and annoyance.</span></p></blockquote><p>So people that twink out lvl 13 players speciifically to kill people that are new to this game are just misunderstood and they are infact trying to teach new players the ropes?</p><p>All this time I thought it was because they were terrible vs evenly skilled opponents so they were hiding out in lowbie tiers for a chance to actually kill someone.</p></blockquote><p>If 2 epic trolls start trolling each other, what happens? =O</p></blockquote><p>Don't cross the streams?</p>

[max.power]

<p>Strange: Veterans are quitting because the game is too easy and newbies are quitting because it's too hard <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@OP:</p><p>Give it (another) try, this is no single player game where the hero (you) is taken by the hand and confronted only with doable content. In fact, I don't think that there is ANY PvP-MMORPG out there where newbies don't have it hard. This game is gear-based (armor, spell/CA quality) and of course people who are around longer than you are "better".</p><p>Heck, even if there were no levels, no difference in gear and only one class - you would have been stomped by veterans nearly the same way. How can you expect to enter a new game and be as good as players that are around longer than you?</p><p>If you can't shrug it off and try to improve yourself, maybe give one of the PvE servers a chance. This is a good game!</p>

[Dareena]

<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If 2 epic trolls start trolling each other, what happens? =O</p></blockquote><p>Then we'd get something that looks like the original Clash of the Titans.  Or perhaps an old Godzilla movie.</p>

[Shiirr]

<p><cite>Brain@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Strange: Veterans are quitting because the game is too easy and newbies are quitting because it's too hard <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@OP:</p><p>Give it (another) try, this is no single player game where the hero (you) is taken by the hand and confronted only with doable content. I<strong>n fact, I don't think that there is ANY PvP-MMORPG out there where newbies don't have it hard.</strong> This game is gear-based (armor, spell/CA quality) and of course people who are around longer than you are "better".</p><p>Heck, even if there were no levels, no difference in gear and only one class - you would have been stomped by veterans nearly the same way. How can you expect to enter a new game and be as good as players that are around longer than you?</p><p>If you can't shrug it off and try to improve yourself, maybe give one of the PvE servers a chance. This is a good game!</p></blockquote><p>Just a comment on the bolded part.  I think one of the few things AION got right (and that's a very short list, by the way) is the way a newbie gets blooded.  You're forced to become familiar with the game prior to being able to PvP.  And once you're able to fight each other, it's (or at least it <em>was</em>, back in the first couple of months anyway) a fairly balanced fight.  No lowbie fabled gear.  And venturing into enemy territory meant you were going to die sooner or later.  After 20, that's where it all fell apart.</p>

[YasikoSetsu]

<p><cite>Shiirr@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brain@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Strange: Veterans are quitting because the game is too easy and newbies are quitting because it's too hard <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@OP:</p><p>Give it (another) try, this is no single player game where the hero (you) is taken by the hand and confronted only with doable content. I<strong>n fact, I don't think that there is ANY PvP-MMORPG out there where newbies don't have it hard.</strong> This game is gear-based (armor, spell/CA quality) and of course people who are around longer than you are "better".</p><p>Heck, even if there were no levels, no difference in gear and only one class - you would have been stomped by veterans nearly the same way. How can you expect to enter a new game and be as good as players that are around longer than you?</p><p>If you can't shrug it off and try to improve yourself, maybe give one of the PvE servers a chance. This is a good game!</p></blockquote><p>Just a comment on the bolded part.  I think one of the few things AION got right (and that's a very short list, by the way) is the way a newbie gets blooded.  You're forced to become familiar with the game prior to being able to PvP.  And once you're able to fight each other, it's (or at least it <em>was</em>, back in the first couple of months anyway) a fairly balanced fight.  No lowbie fabled gear.  And venturing into enemy territory meant you were going to die sooner or later.  After 20, that's where it all fell apart.</p></blockquote><p>Though you are correct, and I agree, there's one major flaw with what you're trying to prove.</p><p>Aion was heavily marketed, and advertised AS a PvP game. On eq2, it's just a red headed step child that they tacked on to something that was advertsied and established as a PvE game. You cant expect the same level of newbie friendlyness in a game like this.</p>

[Zacarus]

<p><cite>BMonkeeus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>The QQ is strong in this one...</blockquote><p>qfe | lol</p><p>Op, the game is six years old and its an mmorpg ... what did you expect?  An fps?  You need to manage your resources (time and money) better in life, ie, do your homework, before burning $40 next time.</p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><cite>YasikoSetsuna wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shiirr@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brain@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Strange: Veterans are quitting because the game is too easy and newbies are quitting because it's too hard <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>@OP:</p><p>Give it (another) try, this is no single player game where the hero (you) is taken by the hand and confronted only with doable content. I<strong>n fact, I don't think that there is ANY PvP-MMORPG out there where newbies don't have it hard.</strong> This game is gear-based (armor, spell/CA quality) and of course people who are around longer than you are "better".</p><p>Heck, even if there were no levels, no difference in gear and only one class - you would have been stomped by veterans nearly the same way. How can you expect to enter a new game and be as good as players that are around longer than you?</p><p>If you can't shrug it off and try to improve yourself, maybe give one of the PvE servers a chance. This is a good game!</p></blockquote><p>Just a comment on the bolded part.  I think one of the few things AION got right (and that's a very short list, by the way) is the way a newbie gets blooded.  You're forced to become familiar with the game prior to being able to PvP.  And once you're able to fight each other, it's (or at least it <em>was</em>, back in the first couple of months anyway) a fairly balanced fight.  No lowbie fabled gear.  And venturing into enemy territory meant you were going to die sooner or later.  After 20, that's where it all fell apart.</p></blockquote><p>Though you are correct, and I agree, there's one major flaw with what you're trying to prove.</p><p>Aion was heavily marketed, and advertised AS a PvP game. On eq2, it's just a red headed step child that they tacked on to something that was advertsied and established as a PvE game. You cant expect the same level of newbie friendlyness in a game like this.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">PVP can be a rude awakening for new players who have no experience with what to expect when they log in... should SOE attempt to prepare newbs better before throwing them to the wolves, or somehow give clearer and more dramatic warnings?</span></p><p><img src="http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb310/Bitter_Coffee/screenies/wegotsafailuretocommunicate.jpg" width="374" height="461" /></p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Here's a thought:  what if newbs dinging lvl10 do not become gank fodder to be farmed automatically?</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">What if newbs that hit 10 get a message to visit the Priest of Discord, who officially enlists them into their faction army, provides them with their starter pvp gear kit, and then afterwards enables them for pvp on deployment?  </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Teenie pvp - in theory - should be slow enough for newbs to have a chance to react and learn lessons, and then the pvp should get faster and harder as players progress into higher levels.  </span><span style="color: #ff0000;">Newbs would likely respond better to a gradual build-up development curve, not an insta-ganking barrier to entry.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Should eq2 newbs continue to be sent out naked?  In RL, soldiers are trained in basics at a Boot camp, then provided with basic gear when they are deployed.  What would happen if we had a similar system for lvl10 newbs in eq?</span></p>

[Shiirr]

<p>The suggestion to "ease" a player into PvP when they first become a viable target is one that was brought up quite a lot some 2 or 3 years ago.  Unfortunately, I don't think it's ever really gotten past the "Wouldn't this be a good idea?" player-to-player discussions.  I like the idea of making them talk to a priest of Discord.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>On the AION subject, yes, they did a bang-up job of advertising it as PvP-centric.  Pulled me right in, along with about 9 or 10 others I know.</p>

[Blambil]

<p><strong>Quite honestly, PVP, as-built, is the boil on the hiney of an otherwise outstanding, deep, featured, amazing game.</strong></p><p>Go play just about anything else in the MMORPG land for 30+ days, and you'll want to come back. The forums are full of people talking about the features (guild halls, mentoring, quest helpers, complexity, etc etc) they wish other games had.</p><p>Forget about PVP (other than maybe Battlegrounds) and enjoy the game as it was originally intended... PVP free.... Anything else is an exercise in supreme frustration....as you already found out.</p>

[JimmyC01]

<p>Coundnt have said it better lol. BYE!!!</p>

[Eboncross]

<p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wasted $40 on the Collectors Edition. Played for less than 24 hours and got 2 shotted everytime I encountered another player on the opposite faction. PvP on this game is not new-user friendly. It was very frustrating, especially when the people one-shotting me were only level 15 and were able to kill me repeatedly with level 30 guards smacking on them.</p><p>This game has been uninstalled and I have literally disposed the CDs into the trash.</p></blockquote><p>I havent played a mulitplayer game yet that is new user friendly. CoD for example, doesnt match you up with new players, you have to take your licks and get to the top the hard way. Same with Command and Conquer, (diffrent styles of games) but you play vs hardcores even when you just start out.</p>

[noobsauce01]

<p><span style="font-size: x-small;">I too am leaving EQ2 for a time. I've played it off and on throughout the last 4 years and every time I return it only takes a few short (and fun) weeks to realize that there is way too many players exploit/hacking the game to make it worthwhile.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">I persevered through T1 thru T4 and reached a point where I had between 100 and 150 AA and full set of PvP gear on multiple toons. For the vast majority of the time I can hold my own or win (barring the runners). Here's the thing, what was only a rarity 2-3 weeks ago is becoming common. Players using stacking exploit and hacks to basically make their toon god mode.  Used to hit this, maybe, one in 20 fights. This weekend it was about 1 in 5. And it’s the same guilds for the most part doing it. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">Ill be back in a year or so to see if SoE has either killed the PvP entirely (Vanguard) or fixed it so that hacks/exploit are far less rampant and those that do it are caught much faster. </span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">To the OP, simple fact is that the game has been around a bit now. You can not compete until you have geared yourself up to do so. Gear is everything, and most of the players here are legacy players who have that gear. SoE has made getting great gear relatively easy once you hit level 30, get there, get the gear, and you'll enjoy it if they ever fix the exploits/hacking that is becoming rampant.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;">To the community: Your predator/prey mentality for a PvP server may sound cool and "right", but it is slowly driving new players away. Ganking T2 players until they can't stand it anymore and move to a bluebie server will only lead to one outcome. The demise of red servers...You are your own worst enemy <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></p>

[Bjerde]

<p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> There are other games out there I am sure that are fun to pvp in, not a frustrating second job.</p></blockquote><p>Not really. PvP is tough in all games, you die. I can't think of a game that has good pvp right now (EQ2 included). </p><p>EQ2 does have a great PvE game though, so when you quit your other PvP games cause they are too hard you can come back and reroll on a different server. You can always get your PvP fix in Battlegrounds now, but don't think those people aren't geared too. But, at least you will get tokens so you can gear up yourself and then at long last be one of those baddies.</p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Odinn@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> There are other games out there I am sure that are fun to pvp in, not a frustrating second job.</p></blockquote><p>Not really. PvP is tough in all games, you die. I can't think of a game that has good pvp right now (EQ2 included). <span style="color: #ff0000;">Eve Online</span></p><p>EQ2 does have a great PvE game though, so when you quit your other PvP games cause they are too hard you can come back and reroll on a different server. You can always get your PvP fix in Battlegrounds now, but don't think those people aren't geared too. But, at least you will get tokens so you can gear up yourself and then at long last be one of those baddies.</p></blockquote>

[Orlac]

<p>Might be a good idea to play some PVE and learn about the classes and mechanics.</p>

[Lovidic]

<p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wasted $40 on the Collectors Edition. Played for less than 24 hours and got 2 shotted everytime I encountered another player on the opposite faction. PvP on this game is not new-user friendly. It was very frustrating, especially when the people one-shotting me were only level 15 and were able to kill me repeatedly with level 30 guards smacking on them.</p><p>This game has been uninstalled and I have literally disposed the CDs into the trash.</p></blockquote><p>To tell this guy he needs to just deal with it is ridiculously nieve. This isn't only a hardcore game, it supposed to be casual too. The curve into pvp really should be made easier somehow. If it's like this guy says then all we're doing is shooting ourselves in the foot, you do want people to start playing right?</p><p>We dont want our population to drop down to nothing because people dont want to join simply because we're too stubborn.</p>

[EndevorX]

<p><cite>Lovidicus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>burnhuma wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wasted $40 on the Collectors Edition. Played for less than 24 hours and got 2 shotted everytime I encountered another player on the opposite faction. PvP on this game is not new-user friendly. It was very frustrating, especially when the people one-shotting me were only level 15 and were able to kill me repeatedly with level 30 guards smacking on them.</p><p>This game has been uninstalled and I have literally disposed the CDs into the trash.</p></blockquote><p>To tell this guy he needs to just deal with it is ridiculously nieve. This isn't only a hardcore game, it supposed to be casual too. The curve into pvp really should be made easier somehow. If it's like this guy says then all we're doing is shooting ourselves in the foot, you do want people to start playing right?</p><p>We dont want our population to drop down to nothing because people dont want to join simply because we're too stubborn.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">He was given advice on how to succeed. It appears he was open to let first impressions guide him over enduring commitment. No need to have apologetics here. People have their preferences.</span></p>