The Arasai/Fae Factor [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Balrok

06-30-2010, 03:33 AM

<cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Et tu, Brute?</blockquote>I would never betray a ratonga. Even now, my Dwarven toons are merly wolves in sheep clothing. We are talking of fairies that leap and float from one end to the other in Klak to quick heal... while I'm left scaling the catwalks to the other side.Or a skycam view the the Ganak defenders as they leap over them to get the flag and wind walk all the way home.... mid air mind you.Or simply the ones that float a zone away with the tiniest of knock backs.... using knock back while chasing is a fairy is pretty enjoyable to watch.Better yet... my greatest of pleasures is to knock nubs off high places. Not you mighty fairy. Like a skilled Trakkon fighter, you know the art of floating back to your previous location. Immune to the knock back arts they are.And the druid fairies that I stop with Dark Crystalline Wand, Hodgemottion's Oxidizer and all of my tinker snare/roots stacked that conveniently cure or just heal thru for a few seconds before wisping away..... float away yeah we fairy, float away.Seriously though... if race really doesn't give you any advantage, ground them in PvP combat. Glide is really the key issue here, as featherfall is obtainable by anyone with gear/buffs/race.... well not my T4 dwarf, but anyway.

Ralpmet

06-30-2010, 03:50 AM

Offtopic: In frostfell on pvp servers you can get the snowballs, and while pvping other players using the ice and snowballs makes for a funny combination (it throws other people the other direction on ice, therefor you can outrun a multitude of people by throwing snowballs at them and knocking them backwards across the ice. And for an even more epic win you can have a friend send you flying even faster in the direction you're moving by snowballing you.)Ontopic: While racials are important, we should keep in mind that all racials should benefit all classes in some way that is balanced. The amount of flying+running+whatever that faerie races get is a little ridiculous and we should focus on fixing this balance wise at some point.

Sapphy

06-30-2010, 04:37 AM

DISCRIMINATION!!!! so racist against us faes <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" />edit: (your just mad bc our cuteness is legendary <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )

Masuma

06-30-2010, 06:58 AM

everybody can have glide nowaways (e.g. get yourself a carpet as mount), different classes / races have runspeed options. I think we have bigger problems that fairies to take care of.And personally I think druids are easy to kill.

Laiina

06-30-2010, 07:03 AM

<cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fairies are not cute.. they are quite lame. Especially in some BG's.Featherfall + Wind Walker + Glide + Druid = dumbJust saying....</blockquote>If they are so "dumb" and "lame", they why do they bother you so much?

Krinta

06-30-2010, 07:37 AM

Once again some one yelling about my racial abilities *sigh* When will people learn everone can do this if they spend a little time looking? Oh well... /flame on!

Jaremai

06-30-2010, 07:47 AM

Have a tinkerer make you some Gnomish Stilts and you, too, can jump twice as far like a fae.There's any number of featherfall items available, both in-game and via LoN loot cards. Put those two together and then tape some wings to your back (or hell get those too from the Shard of Love) and pretend you're a fae.Or... spend 2500 SC and become a fae.We really are the chosen race of the gods. Even though we can't actually fly.

Balrok

06-30-2010, 10:40 AM

<cite>Jaremai@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Have a tinkerer make you some Gnomish Stilts and you, too, can jump twice as far like a fae.</blockquote>+5 health/power with 55 Mit. You're right, that is an upgrade! /scarasim offSo let's just say I'm not T9 and I start a Klak 6x6. As I sprint to the relic, I see a fae warden already with the relic wind walking up the ramp. I think that's a default 95% run speed without additional aa. Obvious I want him dead and head is way. The second it's in site, it jets off he other way... bounces off something and is on the oppisite postition maintaining 100% health. Giving chase... rinse/repeat. This results in some single digit - 300 something before it falls from relic. Ignoring him the next round resulted in a low two digit - almost 400.I just found it on the lame side. My dwarf has short legs and doesn't leap so well.

Shiirr

06-30-2010, 11:11 AM

The problem here is that you can't have an ogre scoop you up and hit the faerie with a "fastball special".

Brugg

06-30-2010, 11:38 AM

The problem here is that you can't have an ogre scoop you up and hit the faerie with a "fastball special". haahaahahaa

Beef_Supre

06-30-2010, 11:48 AM

Yeah, it's a pretty big thing in Battlegrounds, but...I like it that way.I'm not a player of either Fae type (too much self-respect, you know), but I'm all for races, or anything else actually making a difference. I *like* when classes, races, attributes, etc. actually get to matter.It's kind of rare to see one of the little Racial traits really making a difference, don't nerf it. Stuff like this makes the game better and makes our choices count.

Masuma

06-30-2010, 12:55 PM

<cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fairies are not cute.. they are quite lame. Especially in some BG's.Featherfall + Wind Walker + Glide + Druid = dumbJust saying....</blockquote>Besides... they ARE cute.<img src="http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm202/corafadin/shalin.jpg" width="1023" height="793" />

Sapphy

06-30-2010, 02:49 PM

Ooo pretty! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Balrok

06-30-2010, 03:50 PM

<cite>Sapphyra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ooo pretty! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I'll admit.. I waited a few seconds to see if this picture was actually a gif with an added western wind to flicker the happy flag a little more.... so close. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />

Sapphy

06-30-2010, 07:24 PM

lol. Yea you know it gets really hard to keep that thing in place while fighting!

KniteShayd

07-01-2010, 06:01 AM

I agree that it IS very annoying in the Clockwork BG.Racials should have no impact on game play the way that this specific combo does in the BG's. Sure we can get the same abilities, but usually at the cost of giving something else up; like an armor slot.The reason that this is so annoying is it makes catching the fae/arasai almost impossible when they hold the relic. While they float and jump over everything, SUPER FAST, You can NEVER catch them. This leaves all other classes, including other non-fae/arasai druid classes at a HUGE disadvantage. Even when they enter combat, glide allows them to jump to other terrain that everyone else has to get to with great difficulty. SO Snare and Root don't have any effect in stopping them from moving. And if they are a priest, they cure and keep moving, regardless of any CC. Mezz breaks when they take damage from holding the relic, so they continue to move.I think Glide and Featherfall should be disabled while holding the relic, along with Mezz not breaking when the relic holder takes Relic Damage.As a druid, I can hold the Relic for roughly 200 points before it kills me. That's if no one bothers me and I am ooc. A gliding fae/arasai who's running the upper floor tunnels, gets this amount EVERY time they get the relic. So 3 possessions and it's an easy win. Even if all of your group is chasing them. Add Nature Walk to the mix, and you really got your work cut out!

Lemilla

07-01-2010, 06:14 AM

<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>While they float and jump over everything, SUPER FAST, You can NEVER catch them.</blockquote>The super fast part has absolutely nothing to do with glide. And no, it is not wind walk either as that is already disabled when in combat or when holding a flag/relic.<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>SO Snare and Root don't have any effect in stopping them from moving.</blockquote>Again, that has nothing to do with glide. That is only on wardens, wardens of any race at that, who aren't bothered with snares and roots. And stuns and fears will still work on them.<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>A gliding fae/arasai who's running the upper floor tunnels, gets this amount EVERY time they get the relic.</blockquote>So wrong. I'm definately dead on my fae conjuror long before reaching 200 points when flying away with the relic. Same for my ranger, troubador and brigand and illusionist.And for other races giving up an armor slot to get the same? If you're so "uncatchable" when gliding, you don't need any actual armor, right? Apart from being able to switch back to real armor when you're done gliding.So stop trying to get everything nerfed wile you have no idea what is actually happening, and learn to get the most out of your own characters.

Masuma

07-01-2010, 07:53 AM

<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Sure we can get the same abilities, but usually at the cost of giving something else up; like an armor slot.</blockquote>just get yourself the 1% potency carpet from TSO

Balrok

07-01-2010, 10:13 AM

<cite>Lemilla@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>A gliding fae/arasai who's running the upper floor tunnels, gets this amount EVERY time they get the relic.</blockquote>So wrong. I'm definately dead on my fae conjuror long before reaching 200 points when flying away with the relic. Same for my ranger, troubador and brigand and illusionist.So stop trying to get everything nerfed wile you have no idea what is actually happening, and learn to get the most out of your own characters.</blockquote>Unless you have a fae/arasai healer chasing you, you're missing the point. Note the combo of fae/arasai + druid (quick heals/non-combat heals) is what I'm talking about. Of course your conjuror would die quickly... relic ticks hard and you have zero survivability.Also note my original post in stating "Glide" was the only real issue I had. Imagine playing with jumping boots and slowfall. It's so OP in Klak, that I seriously would consider wearing them full time in Klak. Having an issue getting slow fall at level 39, but whatever.

Masuma

07-01-2010, 10:50 AM

honestly, there are far worse things in BG that are overpowered and not accessable unless you are a certain class.Also if you say glide + healer is overpowered, maybe its the healer's abilities that currently work a bit too well in BG.Safefall and glide does have disadvantages. Each time you are knocked back you will take longer to reach ground again (unless you press space right away).

Wigg

07-01-2010, 12:04 PM

Yeah, and while we are at it, Wood Elf Rangers are OPed too. They get DA and things like that as options for racial abilities... Seriously, stop complaining. My lock is a Fae and the reason i kill people has nothing to do with the fact I have glide. In fact, because I am a Fae, I actually am at a disadvantage against an Erudite who has much more beneficial abilities.

Ristan

07-01-2010, 12:07 PM

Its all about thinking outside the box. if the fae runs up into the corridors, then beat them to it? If glide is the issue, then get some too?There are a dozen or more ways to get this ability as well as featherfallAlmost all lon cloaks have featherfall on themThere is one lon cloak that has both Glide and FeatherfallAny carpet/disk mount has glide....there are some quests you can do to get one of these, you can do grottos when they are out and stack up on stacks of leaf carpets, or you can buy them off merchants.You can use spring loaded boots + any of the above.To move faster you got jboots, totems, walkingsticks as well as whoever your grouped with.IF your a kerra you also get that sprint ability....oh wait we all get sprint!So please dont' call for raicial nerfs for anyone. If you have a problem with it, station cash can make you a fae too. So you have to give up an armor slot, I do...I give up two acutally for effects, because as a previous poster said, if they can't catch you, why do yo need armor? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and I'm not a fae either...good ol half elf.

Eritius

07-01-2010, 12:40 PM

From a lore perspective, the Fae/Arasai are doing what they do best. Being hard to catch. While I agree that it might be a bit much, I have to say its pretty funny to see RP > PVP.

Trawe

07-02-2010, 05:06 AM

<cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, and while we are at it, Wood Elf Rangers are OPed too. They get DA and things like that as options for racial abilities... Seriously, stop complaining. My lock is a Fae and the reason i kill people has nothing to do with the fact I have glide. In fact, because I am a Fae, I actually am at a disadvantage against an Erudite who has much more beneficial abilities.</blockquote>why do you react so angry when they take this to you useless ability glide away then?

Masuma

07-02-2010, 05:19 AM

Sunshi

07-02-2010, 05:26 AM

Wigg

07-02-2010, 06:47 PM

<cite>Trawe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, and while we are at it, Wood Elf Rangers are OPed too. They get DA and things like that as options for racial abilities... Seriously, stop complaining. My lock is a Fae and the reason i kill people has nothing to do with the fact I have glide. In fact, because I am a Fae, I actually am at a disadvantage against an Erudite who has much more beneficial abilities.</blockquote>why do you react so angry when they take this to you useless ability glide away then?</blockquote>It's not that I'm angry.. there is just WAY more important things to fix than disabling "glide." Do I think it's annoying that i root a Fae jumping at 100% run speed and they continue to fly 20 meters before actually being rooted? yes. Is there things more important to fix? BEYOND. Way too many things to complain about right now than little things that "bug" you.For those that don't get it, yes that was a pun for Fae.

Balrok

07-03-2010, 06:14 PM

<blockquote><cite>Wigg wrote:</cite>It's not that I'm angry.. there is just WAY more important things to fix than disabling "glide." Do I think it's annoying that i root a Fae jumping at 100% run speed and they continue to fly 20 meters before actually being rooted? yes. Is there things more important to fix? BEYOND. Way too many things to complain about right now than little things that "bug" you.</blockquote>flawed logic. You're saying people can only complain about big problem X. No other complaints or concerns can even be mentioned till big problem X is resolved.If small problem Y doesn't bother you, then just say it doesn't bother you. But saying it can't or shouldn't be mentioned cause big problem X is more important is just dumb. imho anyway.It's not just you, I hear "things" aren't an issue cause there are bigger "things" all the time. Now if that was an SoE response, I'm assuming they are saying, "problem noted and we'll look into it pending it's priority." But that's not what you or others are implying with these responses.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />

Brigh

07-07-2010, 05:25 AM

No need to nerf anything except Nature Walk being disabled in BG. Snares are pretty much useless with a fae warden. I have tried multiple times and just give up.You can fix other BG than gears like I said in another post by simply changing the height of some objects so no one can ever get up to them ever (holding the flag in x2 in places no one else can get to).

Balrok

07-09-2010, 12:48 PM

I'm just going to point out again how dumb these racial traits are in BGs... especially at lower levels. Seems the norm is now a fae/arasai T4-T6 healer build, for obvious reason. Play the lore card, then let my Master stike hammer these fairy runners down. And don't be dumb, I'm not going to replace a gear slot to wear Gnomish Stilts... that's faud logic.Obviously there are bigger issues to address, but you will admit this racial trait combo DOES result in easy if not easier BG wins... It's a fact that there are many BG's (Klak) my team would have one if it wasn't for solely these traits. I've practied and learned the art of jumping from place to place using the enviroment to my advantage, but I do it with stumpy dwarf legs... so anyone with skill can follow me. My escape means are skill based, not race based. Unless I replace gear, again that's dumb, I cannot follow a fairy... no matter what.I'm all about tatics.. but come now, we're talking about pickup groups. I really hesitate to get a premade group for T5 BG's... cause it kind of looks stupid. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />Honestly, I don't care if it never get's nerfed.. I'm not asking them to nerf it. I'm just pointing out it's dumb and every day that goes by I see some new random druid/fairy healer running around Klak and it's annoying me.

Maevar

07-11-2010, 12:05 PM

Posts like this are just spawned from losing BGs, I'll bet if the OP has played 10 ganaks in a row and won them all due to having an arasai warden on his team he would be happily rubbing his 30 tokens together and humming happy tunes.

Ralpmet

07-11-2010, 01:09 PM

That's not true. I've won MANY matches against arasai warden's in T4. It just drags the match way the hell out to have some dbag that's not going to engage anyone but is most definitely going to jump from one side of the map to the other (for free, while I'm using consumables to chase this dude down costing me $$).5 minute match becomes 20. That gives me a sadface.

Balrok

07-12-2010, 10:58 PM

Don't you love going the full duration in Gank. Like every time.. it's the most fun ever. Timing out 55-70 is great and watching a fairy run around with the flag is the best!. Seriously, take note of annoying peps doing this... 99% of the time they are Arasai/Fae. This really is only an issue at lower tiers, cause T9 I can blow them up or stop them better. I was talking so a friend today about how great it would be to just disable run speed, glide, safe fall etc in Ganak. Maybe even just have these disabled when carrying the flag. It would support more teaming and tactics to winning vs everyone just dps/healing while two lame fairies run around.Death to Klak healing running fairies as well!

Rahatmattata

07-13-2010, 09:06 AM

<cite>Wigg@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's not that I'm angry.. there is just WAY more important things to fix than disabling "glide." Do I think it's annoying that i root a Fae jumping at 100% run speed and they continue to fly 20 meters before actually being rooted? yes. Is there things more important to fix? BEYOND. Way too many things to complain about right now than little things that "bug" you.For those that don't get it, yes that was a pun for Fae.</blockquote>Honestly I trust the devs to decide what's worth their time and what's not long before I'd trust you to manage their schedule.