She Returns (Spoilers)

[Anestacia]

<p>After 500 years we finally discover her fate.  New quest at the rebuilt druid rings has a very interesting story.</p><p><img src="http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i147/Ryanlew1980/EQ2_001110.jpg" /></p>

[Barx]

<p>Ahh, I knew it! I was susprised when this didn't happen right after the rings were complete, they must not have had it done in time hehe. Can't wait to get home and do the final quest.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I'll have to see if Befallen is done I remember AB is done but I don't know if Alevah has done enough.</span></p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ahh, I knew it! I was susprised when this didn't happen right after the rings were complete, they must not have had it done in time hehe. Can't wait to get home and do the final quest.</p></blockquote><p>Yep.  I was there when the last ring completed and was sure she would pop right then and give us a title and some lore lol.  Oh well, was worth the wait!</p>

[Rocc]

<p>Now there's something I never thought I would see in EQ2!! Very cool!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because it's interesting and as much as some may dislike it, this is everquest (part) TWO.  Considering what an important role she played in the original it would be more disturbing not to see her here; sorry.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she was a main lore character in EQ1. Just because you don't care for her doens't me most folks in general also don't (cleavage factor aside).</p>

[vochore]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>i think some one needs to start drinking decaf,also maybe with her mysterious appearance our beloved bl,s will be close behind...."sorry just had to add that in. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Windslasher]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she's been there all along. There were hints in past events, you know, but they were too subtle for anyone to guess at with any certainty.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I wonder if Lanys will be seen again as well.</p><p>I mean what would Superman be without Lex Luthor, or Robin Hood without the Sheriff of Notingham, or Gilgamesh without Grendel, or Tunare without Innoruuk?</p>

[iceriven2]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she's been there all along. There were hints in past events, you know, but they were too subtle for anyone to guess at with any certainty.</p></blockquote><p>I am curious to know what she did behind the scenes</p>

[Hikinami]

<p>this was awesome! Are we going to get to hunt down the other chosen?</p>

[Windslasher]

<p>Lanys T'Vyl was slain after the Battle of Bloody Kithicor and, last I checked, she remains dead. Her essence was imprisoned in the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Plane</span> Sphere of Envy. That story was laid out in the Shadowknight epic questline.</p><p>But don't worry, there is no shortage of nemesis candidates and interesting plot devices in our lore...</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lanys T'Vyl was slain after the Battle of Bloody Kithicor and, last I checked, she remains dead. Her essence was imprisoned in the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Plane</span> Sphere of Envy. That story was laid out in the Shadowknight epic questline.</p><p>But don't worry, there is no shortage of nemesis candidates and interesting plot devices in our lore...</p></blockquote><p>Blast it, there you go living up to your little under-name title <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'm assuming we'll get to learn which things Firiona has actually been doing, since the hints before were subtle?</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lanys T'Vyl was slain after the Battle of Bloody Kithicor and, last I checked, she remains dead. Her essence was imprisoned in the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Plane</span> Sphere of Envy. That story was laid out in the Shadowknight epic questline.</p><p>But don't worry, there is no shortage of nemesis candidates and interesting plot devices in our lore...</p></blockquote><p>Blast it, there you go living up to your little under-name title <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I'm assuming we'll get to learn which things Firiona has actually been doing, since the hints before were subtle?</p></blockquote><p>She was the Prohet of Growth disguised as Eva so it atleast goes back to EoF.</p>

[iceriven2]

<p>Spiolers for those that like more detial</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>Kurista requests you escort her to emerald halls.  She goes into her Silvani Form and hides in your bags.  Once in Emerald halls you listen in on her conversation with the Prophet of Growth Eva.   Kurista Discovers she was the first Fae ever, Given life and awareness from Tunare. </p><p>During her ritual to restore the druid rings she find the Lifeguard and request Eva takes off her disguise.  She was Firiona Vie the whole time.  She then transfers the energies from being the chosen prophet to Kurista who becomes the New Prophet of Growth.</p><p>Now Firiona says thanks, you recieve a title, and she says she is going to seek out her old friend Al'kabar to chat about Ages' End.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she's been there all along. There were hints in past events, you know, but they were too subtle for anyone to guess at with any certainty.</p></blockquote><p>Man, I remember when the developers at the start of the game said how they made Antonia and Lucan the mascots on the box covers of the expansions and all that because they wanted Firiona Vie to *STAY* in EQlive as their mascot. *sigh* You guys were doing so good up until now.</p>

[Majiere]

<p>I see nothing wrong with telling us what happend to her she vanished while in search of the lifeguard. It does bring up the question of how many more chosen are left in Norrath anymore?</p>

[Windslasher]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She was the Prohet of Growth disguised as Eva so it atleast goes back to EoF.</p></blockquote><p>That's right, it didn't go back to launch it went back to the EoF prelude events where Eva was introduced.</p><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Man, I remember when the developers at the start of the game said how they made Antonia and Lucan the mascots on the box covers of the expansions and all that because they wanted Firiona Vie to *STAY* in EQlive as their mascot. *sigh* You guys were doing so good up until now.</p></blockquote><p>That's true. But her role in the world's lore is too great to just leave her out permanently, or kill her off. And she hasn't become the new mascot of EQII.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">She is shorter then I thought.  I hear you guys forgot to swap out the avatar of growth however. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I would have liked a book from the encounter <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> maybe some of FV's take on the events. maybe you can commission a Comic like you did that one time back in EQ1....just add Kallima[sp] from the other Comic <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span></p>

[Anastasie]

<p>Not to derail or anything, but I would LOVE to get a dress that looked like that (instead of the one rehashed formal dress).</p>

[iceriven2]

<p>Quest like this i wish eq2 had a lore wiki</p>

[Barx]

<p>From the spoilers folks have posted it seems to me that she is still not becoming EQ2's mascot, just an old character taking a role again. It's not like we're going to start seeing her on box art, etc. just because the character was brought back. If she was going to be given a massive role they certainly wouldn't give her a relatively short appearance as part of a greater world event.</p><p>I'm somewhat curious though, I wonder if Karista will take Eva/Firiona's place as Tunare's prohpet for diety quest purposes after this GU or if it'll be covered by the selectivity of time. This would have been a perfect opportunity to lead into a revamp of the diety system, you know, or perhaps as a prelude to a revamp in an upcoming expansion *cough* *hint* *poke* *suggest* *cough* *wish*</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quest like this i wish eq2 had a lore wiki</p></blockquote><p>I've though the same thing. I've thought about and tried to add some lore to EQ2i, but there's nothing really established to format it nicely. Maybe we <em>should</em> put together a eq2lore wiki.</p>

[Windslasher]

<p>Kurista will take her place as a permanent NPC when the event is completely done. The plan is to do this as part of a full Game Update, disabling the event at the same time. But don't worry, there is still lots of time left.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Kurista will take her place as a permanent NPC when the event is completely done. The plan is to do this as part of a full Game Update, disabling the event at the same time. But don't worry, there is still lots of time left.</p></blockquote><p>*Nods* that's what I figured, you'd do the swap in the next GU when the event ends =)</p>

[Mystfit]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Kurista will take her place as a permanent NPC when the event is completely done. The plan is to do this as part of a full Game Update, disabling the event at the same time. But don't worry, there is still lots of time left.</p></blockquote><p>Do you mean she'll be avilable for this lore quest even after the event is done? I ask as I don't have faith our server will finish the ring event, but I sure wanna see this unfold!!</p>

[Mirander_1]

<p><cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Spiolers for those that like more detial</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>During her ritual to restore the druid rings she find the Lifeguard and request Eva takes off her disguise.  She was Firiona Vie the whole time.  She then transfers the energies from being the chosen prophet to Kurista who becomes the New Prophet of Growth.</p></blockquote><p><em>*chuckles* </em>Tricky devs <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />.  Back when the prophets had first shown up in the lead-up to EoF, Vhalen (or maybe one of the other devs) had said that two of the prophets were characters from EQ1; Danak was obviously one of them, and by process of elimination, we figured out that the second one had to be Eva.  And yet, no matter how hard myself and others looked, we couldn't find an Eva anywhere in EQ1.  Now we know why.</p><p>Bravo devs, bravo.</p>

[Zenadina]

<p>Is this on Test? Dont see any changes.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>Dialogue Spoiler since no one posted it yet.  This is AFTER ariving in Emerald Halls, unless noted otherwise the Player reply is always "...", these two are talking to eachother, you're just evesdropping really.</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>=</p><p>Eva Corunno'thes says to you, "You've made it at last!  The Rite of Renewal is completed.  What have you remembered, ancient one?"</p><p>Kurista says to you, "I remember everything now, princess.  I recall the time before the Dream Ring, when I was but a speck of life, unaware of myself."</p><p>Eva Corunno'thes says to you, "That is when Tunare spoke to you."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "Yes.  One day early in that life, I came to rest in the palm of her hand, and she laughed and whispered to me."</p><p>Kurista says to you, ""You are precious!" she said, and then I knew who I was."</p><p>Eva Corunno'thes says to you, "You were the first fae!  What was it like, in that time?"</p><p>Kurista says to you, "It was joyous!  I danced and soared across the forest, spreading her message to the flowers, the trees and the animals."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "Before I knew it, there were other fae.  They surrounded me like children, and I told them all how precious they were, and they became aware."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "That was eons ago.  Long before we became the beings you see today."</p><p>Eva Corunno'thes says to you, "Amazing!  Then you remember everything.  What of the forgotten prophecies?  There is a message you must give me, about the prophecy we both dreamed of."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "Yes.  In another life, but still many rings ago, I was called upon by Queen Elizerain to hear a prophecy."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "She showed me her jewel of knowledge, imbued with the runes of the Nameless, the Lifeguide.  She told me how one day it would be lost and I would find it."</p><p>Eva Corunno'thes says to you, "You mean you have it!"</p><p>Kurista says to you, "I do.  But the Lifeguide is part of your destiny, not mine.  You are one of the champions who must restore the balance which both mortals and gods have destroyed."</p><p>Kurista says to you, "Now take this stone, and throw off your disguise, for only the chosen of Tunare can wield it!"</p><p>(Eva Corunno'thes despawns, replaced by Firiona Vie <Chosen of Growth>)</p><p>You say, "Hail, Firiona Vie"</p><p>Firiona Vie says to you, "Hail, [Name].  Thanks to your help, Kurista has found her calling, and now I know what I must do."</p><p>You say, "What is Kurista's calling?"</p><p>Firiona Vie says to you, "Kurista shall assume my previous role as Prophet of Growth.  It is now my duty to once again walk Norrath as the Tunare's Chosen [sic], and champion the cause of balance."</p><p>You say, "What will you do next?"</p><p>Firiona Vie says to you, "I have heard rumors that my old adventuring companion, Al'Kabor, lives once more.  I must confer with him about prophecy.  Now that I have the Lifeguide once more, we will be able to unravel the riddle of the Shissar calendar."</p><p>You say, "Alright, what now?"</p><p>Firiona Vie says to you, "I wish that I could do more for you, but I must make haste.  The Beast of Ages' End will not stand idly by while we prepare to battle him."</p><p>You say, "I understand"</p><p>Firiona Vie says, "At last!"</p><p>Firiona Vie says, "Kurista, please take a knee."</p><p>Firiona Vie says, "I hereby invest you with all the divine power and authority once entrusted to me.  Arise, Prophet of Growth!"</p><p>You gain Alternate Advancement experience by completing a quest!</p><p>You convert experience into Alternate Advancement experience!</p><p>You gain Alternate Advancement experience!</p><p>You gain 19760 Status</p><p>Your guild has received 1976 Status</p><p>Firiona Vie says, "To you, [Name], I bestow a title for your faithful service.  I sense that you, too, have a great role to play in the events which will soon unfold."</p><p>You have been granted a new suffix title: , Scion of Growth</p><p>You say, "Hail, Firiona Vie"</p><p>Firiona Vie says, "Now go!  Destiny awaits!"</p><p>You say "Hail, Kurista"</p><p>Kurista says, "My work has only just begun!"</p>

[Windslasher]

<p><cite>Mystfit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do you mean she'll be avilable for this lore quest even after the event is done? I ask as I don't have faith our server will finish the ring event, but I sure wanna see this unfold!!</p></blockquote><p>I mean that I'm confident all servers will finish the druid ring event before it is disabled. The rate of progress has actually been more than fast enough, considering the length of time we'd planned to have this event run.</p>

[Morghus]

<p>This is both very interesting and a little dissapointing in only one way, apparently there isnt any mention of whatever happened to Wuoshi! Was he a traitor, did he get possessed by the shadowed men...or was he truly loyal to his purpose and we just killed him for loots? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is both very interesting and a little dissapointing in only one way, apparently there isnt any mention of whatever happened to Wuoshi! Was he a traitor, did he get possessed by the shadowed men...or was he truly loyal to his purpose and we just killed him for loots? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If the text on his trophy is considered canon, some combination of "possessed, loyal or traitor" along with "killed him for loots".  Emphasis on the "Killed for loots" though.  Woushi's trophy implies he be dead'd</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Morghus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is both very interesting and a little dissapointing in only one way, apparently there isnt any mention of whatever happened to Wuoshi! Was he a traitor, did he get possessed by the shadowed men...or was he truly loyal to his purpose and we just killed him for loots? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If the text on his trophy is considered canon, some combination of "possessed, loyal or traitor" along with "killed him for loots".  Emphasis on the "Killed for loots" though.  Woushi's trophy implies he be dead'd</p></blockquote><p>True enough, though I honestly wish such things were better explained, and some trophies obviously have little to no flavor text for what really went on. Heck, Venekor's trophy says you shouldn't be surprised to see him again later even though you have his head.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>I was always a little confused myself on the end of EoF.  We know Woushi betrayed Tunare and took control of the power from the Bloom of Growth.  After his death though, I assume the bloom stayed within the Emerald Halls but it really seems to be building up to a Shard of Growth zone in which the bloom is the entrance so I wonder if it will move back home to the Wakening Lands when Velious is released.</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I was always a little confused myself on the end of EoF.  We know Woushi betrayed Tunare and took control of the power from the Bloom of Growth.  After his death though, I assume the bloom stayed within the Emerald Halls but it really seems to be building up to a Shard of Growth zone in which the bloom is the entrance so I wonder if it will move back home to the Wakening Lands when Velious is released.</p></blockquote><p>I am confused as to why such things dont get expanded upon, although betraying Tunare was a part of the introductory lore to EoF...it wasnt exactly touched upon in-game. There were also hints in the Obelisk of Blight that they wanted to take control of a dragon but that also did not lead to much.</p><p>From meeting him for the Tunare deity quests he seemed incredibly irate but still faithful, and there is no indication of betrayal when you actually fight him, he simply dutifully patrols around the bloom until aggroed.</p><p>He actually had access to abilities that Tunare's avatar wielded, not to mention that all of the Emerald Halls' denizens would come to his aid the moment he was attacked which would seem to imply that either he was still loyal, or the entire Emerald Halls was corrupt.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>kind of seems he was just another victom of the "ohh dragon lets kill it" mentality.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she's been there all along. There were hints in past events, you know, but they were too subtle for anyone to guess at with any certainty.</p></blockquote><p>Man, I remember when the developers at the start of the game said how they made Antonia and Lucan the mascots on the box covers of the expansions and all that because they wanted Firiona Vie to *STAY* in EQlive as their mascot. *sigh* You guys were doing so good up until now.</p></blockquote><p>You know, you continuously bash almost everything new they add to this game.  Yes things were done and said in the beggining that just don't make since to stick with SIX years later.  I started the same day you did and I vividly remember how this game started.  We all have our opinions but for me it was a train wreck.  I really was convinced this would be the death of the Everquest franchise.  </p><p>However, since then, these developers have constantly worked hard on this game to improve it and help it grow.  EQ2 is 100 times better now than it was then and for me is the best MMO on the market even today.  Having played EQ1 since Kunarks release, I am thrilled to see a pivitol character of the franchise make an appearance and play a role.  Sorry that you don't agree but I am not sorry that the developers don't share your same views or this game would have died for me 5 years ago.</p><p>I can't wait to see what the future GU(s) bring to the table before the expansion is released. </p><p>/Cough FREE FELWITHE cough!  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Garnaf]

<p>Random thought.</p><p>If Firiona's mother was a Queen (she's refered to as Princess in this dialogue, and I remember her being stated to be such many times in the past in EQ1), isn't she rightful Queen of Felwithe?  Especially with Lenya apparently either dead or missing as far as the people of New Tunaria are concerned.</p><p>I wonder if that idea will be expanded upon...</p>

[NViDiaFReaK]

At work so I can't check but what rings is she at?

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Tagwen@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>At work so I can't check but what rings is she at?</blockquote><p>Stonebrunt</p>

[Trevalon]

<p>I think its pretty fitting how they tied her back in.  While I was never a huge fan of Firiona in EQ1 (She always seemed pretty boring to me, but then again most of the "Good" guys did) I really like that they are really tying things back into EQ1, Alkabor, Sleeper, Gods returning, now Firiona - Sticking closer to EQ1 always makes EQ2 better <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cyliena]

<p><span >Dranikos already put in the dialogue for the quest above, but if anyone is interested, I added it into zam's wiki quest page as well, and also put Kurista's dialogue before the rings are completed on her page.</span></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/mob.html?eq2mob=de9d9d6fcabb57986bdec22ea2a6e4ed#L ore" target="_blank">Kurista's Calling</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/quest.html?eq2quest=8d0c797937638bb3d7d701ccc47c20 40#Lore" target="_blank">Kurista and Eva's Lore</a></p><p>I like the fact that she's back and it seems she'll be a big player sometime soon. My only dislike is that her eyes are goofy looking. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Cyliena@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Dranikos already put in the dialogue for the quest above, but if anyone is interested, I added it into zam's wiki quest page as well, and also put Kurista's dialogue before the rings are completed on her page.</span></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/mob.html?eq2mob=de9d9d6fcabb57986bdec22ea2a6e4ed#L ore" target="_blank">Kurista's Calling</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/quest.html?eq2quest=8d0c797937638bb3d7d701ccc47c20 40#Lore" target="_blank">Kurista and Eva's Lore</a></p><p>I like the fact that she's back and it seems she'll be a big player sometime soon. My only dislike is that her eyes are goofy looking. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>That and the fact that the level 90 provisioner in me wants to pin her to the ground and shove a frickin sammich down her throat.  SERIOUSLY WOMAN, EAT SOMETHING!</p>

[Trevalon]

<p><cite>Cyliena@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Dranikos already put in the dialogue for the quest above, but if anyone is interested, I added it into zam's wiki quest page as well, and also put Kurista's dialogue before the rings are completed on her page.</span></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/mob.html?eq2mob=de9d9d6fcabb57986bdec22ea2a6e4ed#L ore" target="_blank">Kurista's Calling</a></p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/db/quest.html?eq2quest=8d0c797937638bb3d7d701ccc47c20 40#Lore" target="_blank">Kurista and Eva's Lore</a></p><p>I like the fact that she's back and it seems she'll be a big player sometime soon. My only dislike is that her eyes are goofy looking. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>haha I thought the same thing about the eyes.  I do like how they did a good job on her model though, lots of details on her...uhm...strips of cloth...</p><p>I do think that since this is all leading up to the next xpac and because its such a huge reveal in terms of the Everquest Franchise as a whole they shoulda had her voiced, but oh well.</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That and the fact that the level 90 provisioner in me wants to pin her to the ground and shove a frickin sammich down her throat.  SERIOUSLY WOMAN, EAT SOMETHING!</p></blockquote><p>I hear you there. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Did you notice that she actually has a belly button though? I almost fainted in shock. Maybe extreme dieting is the way to get belly buttons!</p><p>edit: Trevalon... yeah, it may very well be a lead-in. And those eyes... I tried to get a screenshot where one was staring forward and the other way off to the side but she just kept moving them!</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Garnaf,</p><p>As far as Firiona's lineage you're correct that the Queen was her mother.  However her father......well, you know.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Garnaf,</p><p>As far as Firiona's lineage you're correct that the Queen was her mother.  However her father......well, you know.</p></blockquote><p>Was a knight of Tunare, well his corpse possessed by a spirit of growth, Galeth Veredeth (I know, I probably butchered that name...)</p><p>She's still of royal blood though, and apparently "Queen" is more important than "King" to the elves.  (see Lenya and Elizerain)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Man, I remember when the developers at the start of the game said how they made Antonia and Lucan the mascots on the box covers of the expansions and all that because they wanted Firiona Vie to *STAY* in EQlive as their mascot. *sigh* You guys were doing so good up until now.</p></blockquote><p>That's true. But her role in the world's lore is too great to just leave her out permanently, or kill her off. And she hasn't become the new mascot of EQII.</p></blockquote><p>No, You did something far worse than make her a mascot, you made her a major story character. I think you should have just killed her off. That way if you decided to bring her back, it would be more interesting because it would probably involve a necromancer corrupting her remains and we would have to fight to purify her or something.</p><p>Quite frankly, I never liked Firiona Vie all that much as far as her story goes. She was too much of a damsel in distress, always having to be rescued at every turn. In fact, I followed along with all the storylines and GM events she took part in back in EQlive. More attention and focus was given to many other characters besides her. Mayong especially. It always seemed like she was a 5th wheel to her own storyline. Now she's going to play a major role in saving Norrath. Just can't let the fate of Norrath fall onto us player's hands. Gotta have an NPC deal the final blow against Kerafyrm and make sure everything is right again with the world.</p><p>Good luck talking with Al'Kabor there. I'm sure Dartain will more than happily agree to assist her in every way possible....</p><p>Yeah, this final turn out has left me seriously disappointed and jaded. I don't care what the rest of you think. Before anyone starts to insinuate anything, no, I am not trying to be like that First Fist of Light guy who INSISTED that the story revolve around him. I don't want to be the hero, but I do think the developers could have thought up something more original, but we all know that we are going to be doing all the dirty work for Firiona Vie in the next expansion. Or maybe we'll have to end up rescuing her again because she bit off more than she could chew, but will still in the end, take all the credit.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>I could see her as a part of "purifying" Felwithe.  That'd be a neat raid event.</p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p><em><span>Good luck talking with Al'Kabor there. I'm sure Dartain will more than happily agree to assist her in every way possible....</span></em></p><p>At the end of the Dartan Signature quest, you get a note to take to Eva in Kelethin about Ages End.</p><p>To be honest, when I finished the Quest I was like "Why Kelethin and why Eva?" It all makes sense now.</p><p>Oh, and why Firiona Vie? Cause she's awesome. Despite being the damzel, I always liked her fights against Layns T'Vyl, and then against the Iksar.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><span>Good luck talking with Al'Kabor there. I'm sure Dartain will more than happily agree to assist her in every way possible....</span></em></p><p>At the end of the Dartan Signature quest, you get a note to take to Eva in Kelethin about Ages End.</p><p>To be honest, when I finished the Quest I was like "Why Kelethin and why Eva?" It all makes sense now.</p></blockquote><p>Really? I haven't been able to get too far into the Dartain questline yet. What are they going to do for that quest once they permanently make Kurista the new Prophet of Tunare? Will Eva still be standing right next to her or something?</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><span>Good luck talking with Al'Kabor there. I'm sure Dartain will more than happily agree to assist her in every way possible....</span></em></p><p>At the end of the Dartan Signature quest, you get a note to take to Eva in Kelethin about Ages End.</p><p>To be honest, when I finished the Quest I was like "Why Kelethin and why Eva?" It all makes sense now.</p></blockquote><p>Really? I haven't been able to get too far into the Dartain questline yet. What are they going to do for that quest once they permanently make Kurista the new Prophet of Tunare? Will Eva still be standing right next to her or something?</p></blockquote><p>At the end you see them both, they're both in the same body, almost equally.</p><p>As for Eva being there or not... my guess is she'd be there for people on the quest but otherwise not show up for anyone, assuming Kurista takes her place as the Prophet of Tunare. World-event type timelines only canonically happen at one point in time, it's the same as doing the Darathar/Prismatic timeline: in the current context it makes no sense, but that's because you're redoing something that happened already lore-wise.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><em><span>Good luck talking with Al'Kabor there. I'm sure Dartain will more than happily agree to assist her in every way possible....</span></em></p><p>At the end of the Dartan Signature quest, you get a note to take to Eva in Kelethin about Ages End.</p><p>To be honest, when I finished the Quest I was like "Why Kelethin and why Eva?" It all makes sense now.</p></blockquote><p>Really? I haven't been able to get too far into the Dartain questline yet. What are they going to do for that quest once they permanently make Kurista the new Prophet of Tunare? Will Eva still be standing right next to her or something?</p></blockquote><p>At the end you see them both, they're both in the same body, almost equally.</p><p>As for Eva being there or not... my guess is she'd be there for people on the quest but otherwise not show up for anyone, assuming Kurista takes her place as the Prophet of Tunare. World-event type timelines only canonically happen at one point in time, it's the same as doing the Darathar/Prismatic timeline: in the current context it makes no sense, but that's because you're redoing something that happened already lore-wise.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, at least when I was in the Palace looking at him, he seemed to spend more time as Al'Kabor than as Dartain.  I watched him for about 10 minutes, he spent 7 as Al'Kabor, and 3 as Dartain</p>

[Iskandar]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quite frankly, I never liked Firiona Vie all that much as far as her story goes. She was too much of a damsel in distress, always having to be rescued at every turn. In fact, I followed along with all the storylines and GM events she took part in back in EQlive. More attention and focus was given to many other characters besides her. Mayong especially. It always seemed like she was a 5th wheel to her own storyline. Now she's going to play a major role in saving Norrath. Just can't let the fate of Norrath fall onto us player's hands. Gotta have an NPC deal the final blow against Kerafyrm and make sure everything is right again with the world.</p></blockquote><p>She's more of a major plot device than a major story character -- her actions are what lead us players into some of the larger and more significant world events. hmmm... I was gonna use a pocketwatch gears analogy, but here's an anime example you can probably better relate to that works the same way: in Cowboy Bebop, Julia plays a major role in motivating Spike towards certain courses of action, usually pulling the rest of the crew along with him. But as instrumental as she is in getting the overall plot moving, she's hardly present in the series... all she has is a few flashbacks scattered throughout before she finally shows up in the last few episodes. But she still influences the primary storyarc significantly, more so than most of the main characters -- just like Firiona Vie, who rarely shows up but still impacts the overall storyarc considerably <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[RoninSenshi]

<p>Quest text when Al'Kalbor refferences Eva, at the end of the Dartan's Signature quest.</p><p><img src="http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/102/kalboreva.jpg" /></p><p>So it's clear he knew who she was all along.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>The lore right now is quite simple AWESOME. Bringing the game back to its roots and including the resurrection of alkabor and the reintroduction of firona vie is great.Pulling the games lore into a fight vs the beast of ages end (aka sleeper?) is beyond epic. Bringing the game back to its classical fantasy roots with pirate based antagonists and the fars seas trading company issues was awesome.</p><p>I think the lore team is finally on track to what many people in eq2 loved a true fantasy roleplay game. An epic godkilling dragon, a powerful band of pirates and strong reoccuring powerful figures that guide us. All we need is some ninja type assassins and i'd be happy.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>I have an issue with all the main characters so far (Dartain semi-excluded) being only "Good" types.  Firiona Vie's Army of Balance or w/e it ends up being called had better have some "Evil" alligned characters in it.  Balance DOES include equal measures of both.  And the very first pact of Gods WAAAY back when Veeshan marked Norrath included at least 1 Evil God (Cazic-Thule.  I don't remember is Rallos was part of that pact or not, but I know Innoruuk was not, and Cazic was)</p>

[DukeOccam]

<p>I must say I am thrilled at this latest development. I absolutely love the idea of bringing back some of the classic EQ stuff. That game's lore was amazing (at least up until Taelosia, Luclin, Discord, etc.). I've been at best a casual player over the last year or so, and before that I went 4 years without playing. But right away this gets me super excited for the next Game Update.Full disclosure: in EQ1 I played a High Elf Paladin of Tunare and I guess you could say Felwithe/Firiona/Tunare/etc. were all HUGE parts of what I loved about EQ. It was immensely difficult to choose to play a Half Elf (only half-Koada'dal) this time around. If this all led to the freeing of Felwithe it would be such a glorious nerdgasm.</p><p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That and the fact that the level 90 provisioner in me wants to pin her to the ground and shove a frickin sammich down her throat.  SERIOUSLY WOMAN, EAT SOMETHING!</p></blockquote><p>Oh come on...she doesn't look anorexic at all. People come in all shapes and sizes, and some of those shapes include skinny. Why it's okay to stereotype every skinny person as being anorexic or malnourished but not to stereotype heavier people is beyond me. Anyway, sorry, off-topic.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The lore right now is quite simple AWESOME. Bringing the game back to its roots and including the resurrection of alkabor and the reintroduction of firona vie is great.Pulling the games lore into a fight vs the beast of ages end (aka sleeper?) is beyond epic. Bringing the game back to its classical fantasy roots with pirate based antagonists and the fars seas trading company issues was awesome.</p><p>I think the lore team is finally on track to what many people in eq2 loved a true fantasy roleplay game. An epic godkilling dragon, a powerful band of pirates and strong reoccuring powerful figures that guide us. All we need is some ninja type assassins and i'd be happy.</p></blockquote><p>Bwsides the Ninjas, I could not agree more <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  We have drifted further and further away from the High Fantasy with the void and the return of Firona Vie makes me thrilled. She is the embodiment of the EQ franchise (Eq1 AND eq2 btw) and I for one love where we are headed.  Keep up the awsome work visullay as well as storywise!</p>

[Morghus]

<p>Yea, aside from my intial gripe regarding Wuoshi I was pleased that she actually has her own model, and is not simply another high elf appearance wise, and the story looks to be picking up...though the result has yet to be seen. On a related note though I'm still disappointed Danak didn't get his own model as well, being a part of the original RoK box art and all.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Going to pre-emptively duck out of the way of the facebound arrows when I say this, but..</p><p>If Legends of Norrath has any grounds whatsoever, we know the void beings are interested in overturning the gods themselves. This would explain the questionabile focus on ensnaring Wuoshi as the prime target.</p><p>I'm going out on a limb and guessing that they actually succeeded in their efforts.  During the EOF launch the website lore definitely spun Wuoshi as having ill intent, which doesn't really make sense given his prior sincerity. I'm sure we'll be seeing some Shard of Mischief and Growth next expansion, so I guess we'll see more of this then.</p><p>I am definitely not surprised that we are seeing the return of some of these major characters.</p><p>Waiting for an epic cinematic for the final battle with the void.   And.. it better be epic <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>The scrolls of Free Grobb, an oral tradition passed amongst certain trolls, record that just before the time of the sundering, Cructik, an exiled troll bheastlohrd, was last known to be ranging across the southern frozen continent caught in a fierce blizzard.  The troll was seeking solitude and sanctuary to think upon his current situation and that of his kind.  In fierce pursuit were the Demonic <span >Eviscerating </span>Vhampirites, a time traveling organizaton partially aligned with the dark void bent on suckling the life blood of all warders and their masters in a daemonic attempt to hide the true path.   Before him in the storm, like a vision, a blonde enchantress appeared before Cructik and beckoned him to her.  Knowing his sanctuary was at hand he went to her.   She whispered a few words to him and like a certain dutchman of another age in a land far, far away he fell into a deep sleep.  She quickly worked her magic encasing him in Ice knowing it would protect him and hide him from his enemies.   Being Troll he fell into a deep slumber in the snowbound pass waiting for the coming thaw that would ensue in the war torn land of the Nagafenites.   </p><p>So sayath the scrolls so let it be done, the legends return, to restore order from chaos.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ What the heck? I think you might have posted that in the wrong forum.</p><p>...</p><p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She's more of a major plot device than a major story character -- her actions are what lead us players into some of the larger and more significant world events. hmmm... I was gonna use a pocketwatch gears analogy, but here's an anime example you can probably better relate to that works the same way: in Cowboy Bebop, Julia plays a major role in motivating Spike towards certain courses of action, usually pulling the rest of the crew along with him. But as instrumental as she is in getting the overall plot moving, she's hardly present in the series... all she has is a few flashbacks scattered throughout before she finally shows up in the last few episodes. But she still influences the primary storyarc significantly, more so than most of the main characters -- just like Firiona Vie, who rarely shows up but still impacts the overall storyarc considerably <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Hmm.. not really. Only the opening sequence of the first episode, followed by 5 other episodes out of 26 focused on Spike's past. Spike wasn't actively searching for Julia until Vicious told him she was still alive, and even then it's not like he just dropped everything to try and find her. It struck a nerve to hear that Vicious was using her name as the codename for his drug deals, but he just carried on with his life on the Bebop. Spike only finally meets her again only after Julia herself happened to run into Faye by pure coincidence in the middle of a heated moment, and they stopped to introduce themselves later on. Faye's reputation preceeded her, as Julia knew Faye worked with Spike. She told Faye to tell Spike where to find her. If anything, Julia was actually searching for Spike. However, she does serve as the motivation for Spike's choice of actions in the final episode though.</p><p>Back to the issue at hand, Firiona Vie herself is more of a Chekhov's Gunman. A character of little importance (or in FV's case- major importance TO THE ORIGINAL GAME but NO MENTION in this one) - who would go on to serve as a major story-driven character of significant importance later on.</p><p>(Don't bother going into semantics of how the High Elves used to have a racial trait named after her, or that Kunark acknolwedges that the Firiona Vie outpost used to exist. The fact remains that Firiona Vie as a High Elf and a character, IS NOT MENTIONED!)</p><p>This situation is just mind boggling to me.</p><p>Firiona Vie as a story character was pretty much dropped from the face of Norrath with no explanation back when SoE completely absorbed Verant Interactive and 989 Studios back in 2002. She was in the middle of trying to recover the Lifeguide Staff from the Tower of Frozen Shadows. The game was in the middle of a storyline and then just completely dropped it outright when Shadows of Luclin was released. Firiona Vie would not be heard from again in Everquest until 2005 or so, after EQ2 had come out.</p><p>Here in EQ2, we've got a completely different world that takes place 500 years in the future and in an alternate universe created by the time split. We have storylines going on that completely seperate EQ2 apart from EQlive in pretty much every way. Sever all ties and don't look back. In EQlive, they release an expansion pack where the end of the world has already happened, but by their own versions of their own problems. Here in EQ2, we introduce a storyline that could result in the complete destruction of everything on Norrath and all dimensions in-between, but it will be through our own way of happening. Here in EQ2, we have nobody asking (in game) what could have possibly happened to Firiona Vie as a character. Nobody asks whatever happened to her. They don't even acknowledge the name as being anything other than the name of a former outpost.</p><p>Suddenly, Firiona Vie just shows up out of nowhere with no warning, just so she can stick her nose into our storyline and become a major character in this game just because the developers say so.</p><p>Windslasher even acknowledged in this thread that what very few clues they put into the game, were so extremely vague that NOBODY could have ever possibly pieced them together in to definitively prove that she would be coming back. If you put in clues that guarantee that nobody could ever figure them out, then it's pretty much the same as just pulling it out of thin air and adding her in with no warning at all. Sure, he says the clues put into the game since the diety prequel quests make sense now that we know that Firiona Vie is back, but they didn't back when we didn't know she'd be.</p><p>It's like running around town randomly punching people on the face. You don't know who these people are. You've never met them before in your life, but for no reason at all, you're gonna punch them. Those people all think "What just happened?" in the brief fleeting moments after it happened, but only piece it together when they see the assailant being arrested on the news later that night. That is how I feel right now- like I've just been punched in the face.</p><p>I've never heard of a video game character from one game suddenly disapear for no reason, then suddenly show up with no warning in ANOTHER GAME, and is suddenly a major character for the main storyline. I've never heard of that happening before. It's like playing through Final Fantasy 7 for 47 hours when all of a sudden the story just flat out tells you "Namco's Pac-Man will now be the main character from now on."</p>

[Jait]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never heard of a video game character from one game suddenly disapear for no reason, then suddenly show up for no reason in ANOTHER GAME, and is suddenly a major character for the main storyline. I've never heard of that happening before.</p></blockquote><p>Umm, just about every sequel has characters show up from the original.  If you're talking about MMO's then grats guy, you just found the one MMO that has a highly successful sequel.  There's nothing to compare it to no matter how hard you try.</p><p>FV is a MAJOR player in EQ1.  She is far more important than 90% of the returning characters in EQ2.  Why aren't you crying about Lucan?  He hasn't mattered since RoK?  And yet he's a principle character of EQ2.  Nag, Vox, Wuoshi, Venekor?  Going to whine about any of them?   Going to be here a long while if you try to take FV and claim she's less important.  FV is also in the latest EQ1 expansion, along with Lanys.  So basically, she still matters.</p><p>So what exactly are you ranting about again?</p><p>Golfclap for the Dev's.  They're finally moving again in the right direction.  Shame to hear about Lanys, but them's the breaks.  I assumed she was inhabiting a certain Queen of Neriak.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never heard of a video game character from one game suddenly disapear for no reason, then suddenly show up for no reason in ANOTHER GAME, and is suddenly a major character for the main storyline. I've never heard of that happening before.</p></blockquote><p>Umm, just about every sequel has characters show up from the original.  If you're talking about MMO's then grats guy, you just found the one MMO that has a highly successful sequel.  There's nothing to compare it to no matter how hard you try.</p><p>FV is a MAJOR player in EQ1.  She is far more important than 90% of the returning characters in EQ2.  <strong>Why aren't you crying about Lucan?  He hasn't mattered since RoK?  And yet he's a principle character of EQ2.  Nag, Vox, Wuoshi, Venekor?</strong>  Going to whine about any of them?   Going to be here a long while if you try to take FV and claim she's less important.  FV is also in the latest EQ1 expansion, along with Lanys.  So basically, she still matters.</p><p>So what exactly are you ranting about again?</p><p>Golfclap for the Dev's.  They're finally moving again in the right direction.  Shame to hear about Lanys, but them's the breaks.  I assumed she was inhabiting a certain Queen of Neriak.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Did you even read all of my post?</p><p>All those characters are NPC's found in the game. You can go visit them anytime you want either in one game or the other. More importantly, all of those characters are given a good mention through pre-established lore and dialogue long before you ever meet any of them. You knew they were in the game in some form or another.</p><p>Firiona Vie is a character who only showed up during GM events, but had no normal interaction with players unless a GM specifically played as her for the sake of the event. Never once in my above post did I say that FV wasn't a major character in the first game. In fact, I acknowledged that she was, but she isn't, and in my opinion, shouldn't be, a major character here. All of a sudden, she shows up out of ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE with no advanced warning or hints that she'd be returning</p><p>Why should I cry about Lucan? I've met him three times through well established quests where his involvement was heavily implied and proven true.</p><p>I am well aware that the developer's brought Firiona and Lanys back in EQlive back in 2005, but that was after EQ2 came out. This is a different game. That specific war between Lanys and Firiona Vie that started in 2005 only happened in EQlive.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never heard of a video game character from one game suddenly disapear for no reason, then suddenly show up for no reason in ANOTHER GAME, and is suddenly a major character for the main storyline. I've never heard of that happening before.</p></blockquote><p>Umm, just about every sequel has characters show up from the original.  If you're talking about MMO's then grats guy, you just found the one MMO that has a highly successful sequel.  There's nothing to compare it to no matter how hard you try.</p><p>FV is a MAJOR player in EQ1.  She is far more important than 90% of the returning characters in EQ2.  <strong>Why aren't you crying about Lucan?  He hasn't mattered since RoK?  And yet he's a principle character of EQ2.  Nag, Vox, Wuoshi, Venekor?</strong>  Going to whine about any of them?   Going to be here a long while if you try to take FV and claim she's less important.  FV is also in the latest EQ1 expansion, along with Lanys.  So basically, she still matters.</p><p>So what exactly are you ranting about again?</p><p>Golfclap for the Dev's.  They're finally moving again in the right direction.  Shame to hear about Lanys, but them's the breaks.  I assumed she was inhabiting a certain Queen of Neriak.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Did you even read all of my post?</p><p>All those characters are NPC's found in the game. You can go visit them anytime you want either in one game or the other. More importantly, all of those characters are given a good mention through pre-established lore and dialogue long before you ever meet any of them. You knew they were in the game in some form or another.</p><p>Firiona Vie is a character who only showed up during GM events, but had no normal interaction with players unless a GM specifically played as her for the sake of the event. Never once in my above post did I say that FV wasn't a major character in the first game. In fact, I acknowledged that she was, but she isn't, and in my opinion, shouldn't be, a major character here. All of a sudden, she shows up out of ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE with no advanced warning or hints that she'd be returning</p><p>Why should I cry about Lucan? I've met him three times through well established quests where his involvement was heavily implied and proven true.</p><p>I am well aware that the developer's brought Firiona and Lanys back in EQlive back in 2005, but that was after EQ2 came out. This is a different game. That specific war between Lanys and Firiona Vie that started in 2005 only happened in EQlive.</p></blockquote><p>You never liked Firiona Vie thats great. You stated your point and obviously no one else agrees. The specific war between Lanys and firiona is unknown canon for eq2 it is highly possibly it is lore within eq2. Just because it happened after POP does not mean it did not happen in our timeline. It simply means the eq2 lore devs are not bound by eq1's lore devs. Which imho was a dumb decision not to relate the 2(actually 3) games. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It simply means the eq2 lore devs are not bound by eq1's lore devs. Which imho was a dumb decision not to relate the 2(actually 3) games. </p></blockquote><p>Do you have any idea how much of a total mess the lore would be if EQ2 acknowledged every expansion that has come out in EQlive since? Exactly how would this game acknowledge the existence of the Drakkin, a race who was created as the result of a series of events that didn't start until after the time split? How would we deal with Zebuxoruk telling us to travel back in time and change the course of history so that the destruction of Norrath doesn't happen when Norrath itself hasn't been destroyed yet? Which threat should we worry about more? The Void or the Legion of Mata Muram? How are we going to fight Kerafyrm on Velious and save Norrath when he's been put back to sleep somewhere in Faydwer?</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Windslasher wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">WHY!!??????</span></p></blockquote><p>Because she's been there all along. There were hints in past events, you know, but they were too subtle for anyone to guess at with any certainty.</p></blockquote><p>Man, I remember when the developers at the start of the game said how they made Antonia and Lucan the mascots on the box covers of the expansions and all that because they wanted Firiona Vie to *STAY* in EQlive as their mascot. *sigh* You guys were doing so good up until now.</p></blockquote><p>You know, you continuously bash almost everything new they add to this game.  Yes things were done and said in the beggining that just don't make since to stick with SIX years later.  I started the same day you did and I vividly remember how this game started.  We all have our opinions but for me it was a train wreck.  I really was convinced this would be the death of the Everquest franchise.  </p><p>However, since then, these developers have constantly worked hard on this game to improve it and help it grow.  EQ2 is 100 times better now than it was then and for me is the best MMO on the market even today.  Having played EQ1 since Kunarks release, I am thrilled to see a pivitol character of the franchise make an appearance and play a role.  Sorry that you don't agree but I am not sorry that the developers don't share your same views or this game would have died for me 5 years ago.</p><p>I can't wait to see what the future GU(s) bring to the table before the expansion is released. </p><p>/Cough FREE FELWITHE cough!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Bah. Forget Felwithe. Kaladim all the way.</p><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've never heard of a video game character from one game suddenly disapear for no reason, then suddenly show up for no reason in ANOTHER GAME, and is suddenly a major character for the main storyline. I've never heard of that happening before.</p></blockquote><p>Umm, just about every sequel has characters show up from the original.  If you're talking about MMO's then grats guy, you just found the one MMO that has a highly successful sequel.  There's nothing to compare it to no matter how hard you try.</p><p>FV is a MAJOR player in EQ1.  She is far more important than 90% of the returning characters in EQ2. <strong>Why aren't you crying about Lucan?  He hasn't mattered since RoK?  And yet he's a principle character of EQ2.  Nag, Vox, Wuoshi, Venekor?</strong>  Going to whine about any of them?   Going to be here a long while if you try to take FV and claim she's less important.  FV is also in the latest EQ1 expansion, along with Lanys.  So basically, she still matters.</p><p>So what exactly are you ranting about again?</p><p>Golfclap for the Dev's.  They're finally moving again in the right direction.  Shame to hear about Lanys, but them's the breaks.  I assumed she was inhabiting a certain Queen of Neriak.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Did you even read all of my post?</p><p>All those characters are NPC's found in the game. You can go visit them anytime you want either in one game or the other. More importantly, all of those characters are given a good mention through pre-established lore and dialogue long before you ever meet any of them. You knew they were in the game in some form or another.</p><p>Firiona Vie is a character who only showed up during GM events, but had no normal interaction with players unless a GM specifically played as her for the sake of the event. Never once in my above post did I say that FV wasn't a major character in the first game. In fact, I acknowledged that she was, but she isn't, and in my opinion, shouldn't be, a major character here. All of a sudden, she shows up out of ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE with no advanced warning or hints that she'd be returning</p><p>Why should I cry about Lucan? I've met him three times through well established quests where his involvement was heavily implied and proven true.</p><p>I am well aware that the developer's brought Firiona and Lanys back in EQlive back in 2005, but that was after EQ2 came out. This is a different game. That specific war between Lanys and Firiona Vie that started in 2005 only happened in EQlive.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I just want to say: technically, there was a hint. One of the lore devs said during the pre-stuff to EoF that two of the prophets were characters from EqI. Eva and Danak. Eva is apparently Firiona Vie. Remember: Just about all of this, I think, is in the Dusty Tomes of EqII lore. If it's in there, who cares, then? I really don't.</span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Also, IMO, Sarnak are EqII's Draakin, pretty much. Just better. More reptillian.</span></em></strong></span></p></blockquote>

[Rezikai]

<p>It's ok Cusa just take a deep breath. While I agree in eq1 she was the Crash Bandicoup of (989's) Verants game, she doesnt have to be a terrible thing. I myself <em>despised for YEARS the casual disreguard</em> for almost anything EQOA in this game and until recently still did. I'd say my friend, she'll be a plot device much like Julia, and may eventualy take a more significant role in the game. I thought much as you did when I heard Al'Kabor was back in the game merged with Dartain. At first I hated to think it would be a major monkey wrench in our current plot lines bringing in and trivializing our current heavyweight characters. But I have faith,..</p><p>Faith that the current dev team are going to follow Tony's (and co.) timeline. They are a newer crew even though Kander and Kathieel have been on the team a few years now and Rothgar was a player way back when, but new minds and fresh ideas aren't the end of the world. I think they understand the nostalgia and necessity of a well thought out woven plot line. (I'd have the Prophet of Growth Eva give quests in Emerald Halls until Vellious is launched when she revealed herself as F-Vie though but meh, to each their own)</p><p>While I do hope she takes a more behind the scenes role of EQ2 i do hope its significant enough to where this isnt the last time we see her (nor her sporty revealing top and well toned abs). Maybe it'll work out for a better well rounded continuity to our games story.</p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p style="text-align: center;"><img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/749/954.JPG" width="148" height="148" />                                 <img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/749/956.JPG" width="129" height="129" /></p><p>ps. As for a game with a major returning character to totally throw a wrench in a game... play the old RPG series title Suikoden 2. </p><p>Suikoden 1 was a massive RPG taking tons of hours and lots of interesting stories and plots, elves and timetravel empires and rebelions betrayal and loyalty with and without Families.</p><p>Suikoden 2 starts along the same path you actually meet a few of the side characters from Suikoden 1, and then about 1/2 way through you meet yourself (your player persona of the 1st game) which is very significant as your previous character of the 1st game rose the empire of the land and forged a new nation, and was "the" major historical figure of the time. When you meet you and he (your former playerself) join up together to battle and adventure through the games massive story.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I just want to say: technically, there was a hint. One of the lore devs said during the pre-stuff to EoF that two of the prophets were characters from EqI. Eva and Danak. Eva is apparently Firiona Vie. Remember: Just about all of this, I think, is in the Dusty Tomes of EqII lore. If it's in there, who cares, then? I really don't.</span></em></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Also, IMO, Sarnak are EqII's Draakin, pretty much. Just better. More reptillian.</span></em></strong></span></p></blockquote><p>Yeah, the whole time that I've responded to this thread, that little fact has been running through my head. I remember all too well how Eva mentioned that she was alive 500 years ago to see everything that has happened since and that the devs mentioned she was one of two returning characters.</p><p>However, by just saying that she is one of two returning characters does not in any way remotely resemble a hint that she is Firiona Vie.</p><p>Just look at all the other NPC's in the game who are still alive after 500 years.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2663" target="_blank">Zaen Kalystir, a human necromancer guildmaster, can still be found offering quests in Vermin's Snye.</a></p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2345" target="_blank">Noxhil V'Sek, a necromancer guildmaster from Neriak, has a quest for you in Nektulos Forest.</a></p><p>Sir Hobble I could understand, but there's really no explanation why <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3923" target="_blank">Squire Fuzzmin</a> is still alive after all this time.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3166" target="_blank">Fiddy Bobick</a> WAS alive until we found out that he had been long since inhabited by a void beast, and died when we killed it.</p><p>Queen Christanos Thex and Queen Lenya Thex are both still around.</p><p>Al'Kabor is still alive as well, though I figure it's probably because he merged together with Dartain, who found immortality in his own way.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=356" target="_blank">Ambassador D'Vinn</a> now rules over Crushbone.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=2446" target="_blank">Dorn B'Dynn</a> has been making a good living as the leader of a guild of assassins in Maj'Dul.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=4237" target="_blank">Nillipus</a> is still parading around Rivervale, though he's a Brownie, so anything goes when it comes to explaining him.</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3628" target="_blank">Najena is still holed up in her labs, making elementals all these years.</a></p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3890" target="_blank">Guard Teren Rysis</a> now rules over Teren's Grasp.</p><p>Not to mention the countless other creatures out there like the Tangrin, the royal family of Chardok, every dragon out there (except the dead ones), and many others.</p><p>Admittedly, most all of these characters are still alive because they're either high elves, dark elves, or associated with some form of necromancy, but just mentioning that they've been around for the last 500 years isn't enough evidence to prove that it's actually Firiona Vie.</p><p>Also, the Drakkin and Sarnak are nothing alike. The Drakkin are Humans inbued with Draconic magics and DNA that transformed them into a new race. The Sarnaks are genetically engineered varieties of the Sarnaks who live in Chardok. They may have been genetically engineered using Iksar and Dragon blood, but they're really not related to the dragons.</p><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's ok Cusa just take a deep breath. While I agree in eq1 she was the Crash Bandicoup of (989's) Verants game, she doesnt have to be a terrible thing. I myself <em>despised for YEARS the casual disreguard</em> for almost anything EQOA in this game and until recently still did. I'd say my friend, she'll be a plot device much like Julia, and may eventualy take a more significant role in the game. I thought much as you did when I heard Al'Kabor was back in the game merged with Dartain. At first I hated to think it would be a major monkey wrench in our current plot lines bringing in and trivializing our current heavyweight characters. But I have faith,..</p><p>Faith that the current dev team are going to follow Tony's (and co.) timeline. They are a newer crew even though Kander and Kathieel have been on the team a few years now and Rothgar was a player way back when, but new minds and fresh ideas aren't the end of the world. I think they understand the nostalgia and necessity of a well thought out woven plot line. (I'd have the Prophet of Growth Eva give quests in Emerald Halls until Vellious is launched when she revealed herself as F-Vie though but meh, to each their own)</p><p>While I do hope she takes a more behind the scenes role of EQ2 i do hope its significant enough to where this isnt the last time we see her (nor her sporty revealing top and well toned abs). Maybe it'll work out for a better well rounded continuity to our games story.</p></blockquote><p>My biggest problem with bringing her back is simply how they brought her back. I seriously would not have made an issue like this if they had at least foretold that she would be returning. Instead they drop an atomic bomb like this and just have her show up out of the blue with no warning. Just like that. That is what really bothers me here. If you just have a character show up with no explanation before hand, then you're pretty much telling the player that you just pulled it out of thin air. Sure, you might have your reasons and intentions for putting the character back in, but you need to ease into things by letting the player find out for themselves that the character will be returning, not that she has returned.</p><p>If a Dev or the game itself had just once said "Oh, she's probably out there somewhere." then at least I would have known ahead of time that she could be returning.</p><p>...Look at me. I'm losing sleep over this whole thing. It's almost 2:45 AM here... Though I can't get sleep for other reasons, so it's not just this.... Interesting tidbit about the Suikuden games.</p>

[Davii]

<p>Wowww!</p><p>Never expected to see her alive again. Gave me nostalgic tingles. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Trevalon]

<p>This whole thread confirms one thing for me..</p><p>Cusa is as crazy as I thought he was.  That's not meant as a light hearted joke either, you sir, are stone cold crazy.  You know what your problem is, You have spent so long on these forums that you think you are actually Cusahorn.  Ultimately you may have alot of EQ knowledge ( Which alot of the time is just wrong btw) but honestly, no one really cares what you think.  Overall I think we can all agree that bringing back Firiona was a great move on Sony's part and I look forward to seeing alot more of EQ1 bleed into EQ2.</p><p>Afterall, they are all Everquest <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This whole thread confirms one thing for me..</p><p>Cusa is as crazy as I thought he was.  That's not meant as a light hearted joke either, you sir, are stone cold crazy.  You know what your problem is, You have spent so long on these forums that you think you are actually Cusahorn.  Ultimately you may have alot of EQ knowledge ( Which alot of the time is just wrong btw) but honestly, no one really cares what you think.  Overall I think we can all agree that bringing back Firiona was a great move on Sony's part and I look forward to seeing alot more of EQ1 bleed into EQ2.</p><p>Afterall, they are all Everquest <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You want to know the best part? I'm not like this in real life. It's all this website right here. All this game. I've been playing for 11 years now. Everquest has become a daily requirement of my life style, and I want to move on. I was planning on sticking around just long enough to see the major story arcs and end raids finished so I can learn how things finally end in Velious before a new storyline comes our way, but when I'm not on this website, I don't obsess over the game.</p>

[Trevalon]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This whole thread confirms one thing for me..</p><p>Cusa is as crazy as I thought he was.  That's not meant as a light hearted joke either, you sir, are stone cold crazy.  You know what your problem is, You have spent so long on these forums that you think you are actually Cusahorn.  Ultimately you may have alot of EQ knowledge ( Which alot of the time is just wrong btw) but honestly, no one really cares what you think.  Overall I think we can all agree that bringing back Firiona was a great move on Sony's part and I look forward to seeing alot more of EQ1 bleed into EQ2.</p><p>Afterall, they are all Everquest <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You want to know the best part? I'm not like this in real life. It's all this website right here. All this game. I've been playing for 11 years now. Everquest has become a daily requirement of my life style, and I want to move on. I was planning on sticking around just long enough to see the major story arcs and end raids finished so I can learn how things finally end in Velious before a new storyline comes our way, but when I'm not on this website, I don't obsess over the game.</p></blockquote><p>Well thats good to know.  I know I haven't been around like some but I check this forums alot even when im not subed and cant post and overall I kinda like ya, but man, sometimes you just go off the deep end with this thread being a prime example.</p><p>Im sorry ya didnt like Firiona, I dont either, but frankly most people do like her and more people are happy shes back regardless of whatever crazy lore breaking scheme you can come up with <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>Think its time to give it a rest man...</p>

[Gormak]

<p>back on topic, are we all convinced "The beast of ages end" is Kerafym? its the logical assumptions, and the speech on restoring balance blah blah certainly lend itself to what has happened with that lich after killing Theer.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It simply means the eq2 lore devs are not bound by eq1's lore devs. Which imho was a dumb decision not to relate the 2(actually 3) games. </p></blockquote><p>Do you have any idea how much of a total mess the lore would be if EQ2 acknowledged every expansion that has come out in EQlive since? Exactly how would this game acknowledge the existence of the Drakkin, a race who was created as the result of a series of events that didn't start until after the time split? How would we deal with Zebuxoruk telling us to travel back in time and change the course of history so that the destruction of Norrath doesn't happen when Norrath itself hasn't been destroyed yet? Which threat should we worry about more? The Void or the Legion of Mata Muram? How are we going to fight Kerafyrm on Velious and save Norrath when he's been put back to sleep somewhere in Faydwer?</p></blockquote><p>The point i was trying to make was it was a dumb decision not to relate the 3 games at the time. It is quite obvious both games went their desperate directions and it made finding what IS and IS NOT canon in eq2 hard. In one instance it is proven mayong DID ascend into godhood, and in the next step we DO NOT know if lanys and firiona reappeared later in eq1 history. But the suggestion she is trapped and dead implys it did happen. </p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Gormak wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>back on topic, are we all convinced "The beast of ages end" is Kerafym? its the logical assumptions, and the speech on restoring balance blah blah certainly lend itself to what has happened with that lich after killing Theer.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not convinced it's any one thing or person that's going to lead to Age's End - my personal feeling is that it's going to be a combination of people, powers, and acts that, all together, will be enough to threaten existance.</p><p>The interesting thing is what Al'Kabor says about the calendar not being merely a representation of dieties or a lunar calendar.  I'm wondering if it's not meant to be viewed in any particular order, like clockwise, but rather it's saying that Age's End will happen when all these conditions, in any order, have been met.</p>

[kelvmor]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This whole thread confirms one thing for me..</p><p>Cusa is as crazy as I thought he was.  That's not meant as a light hearted joke either, you sir, are stone cold crazy.  You know what your problem is, You have spent so long on these forums that you think you are actually Cusahorn.  Ultimately you may have alot of EQ knowledge ( Which alot of the time is just wrong btw) but honestly, no one really cares what you think.  Overall I think we can all agree that bringing back Firiona was a great move on Sony's part and I look forward to seeing alot more of EQ1 bleed into EQ2.</p><p>Afterall, they are all Everquest <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You want to know the best part? I'm not like this in real life. It's all this website right here. All this game. I've been playing for 11 years now. Everquest has become a daily requirement of my life style, and I want to move on. I was planning on sticking around just long enough to see the major story arcs and end raids finished so I can learn how things finally end in Velious before a new storyline comes our way, but when I'm not on this website, I don't obsess over the game.</p></blockquote><p>I'm surprised you aren't a roleplayer, really.</p>

[Stubbswick]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My biggest problem with bringing her back is simply how they brought her back. I seriously would not have made an issue like this if they had at least foretold that she would be returning. Instead they drop an atomic bomb like this and just have her show up out of the blue with no warning. Just like that. That is what really bothers me here. If you just have a character show up with no explanation before hand, then you're pretty much telling the player that you just pulled it out of thin air. Sure, you might have your reasons and intentions for putting the character back in, but you need to ease into things by letting the player find out for themselves that the character will be returning, not that she has returned.</p><p>If a Dev or the game itself had just once said "Oh, she's probably out there somewhere." then at least I would have known ahead of time that she could be returning.</p></blockquote><p>K... so were you ready to come face to face with Kerafyrm (in weird prismatic ghoul Fyr'remd Lorak form)?  He's actually not mentioned a tremendous amount in game, other than perhaps the whole cult of the awakened thing.  (He's mentioned a tremendous amount on these forums, but if you're talking about in game or by the devs... very little)  For all we knew, he woke up in EQ1, flew away, and wasn't ever coming back.  Or if he was coming back it would be in some super dragon form to kill us all.  There were absolutely no hints that on the first day of Sentinel's Fate you could do some quests and fly off to come face to face with him out in Quelule.</p><p>How is this any different, other than the fact that you don't like Firiona Vie?</p><p>And... even if she was absolutely the only character to be introduced into the EQ2 story the way she was... so what?  Maybe everybody in Norrath just plain forgot about her.  They've had a hell of a lot happen since they last knew she was alive.  She was doing her duty as avatar of growth and waiting for the right time, and meanwhile we just assumed she was dead.  I really don't think it breaks the story at all.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Stubbswick wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My biggest problem with bringing her back is simply how they brought her back. I seriously would not have made an issue like this if they had at least foretold that she would be returning. Instead they drop an atomic bomb like this and just have her show up out of the blue with no warning. Just like that. That is what really bothers me here. If you just have a character show up with no explanation before hand, then you're pretty much telling the player that you just pulled it out of thin air. Sure, you might have your reasons and intentions for putting the character back in, but you need to ease into things by letting the player find out for themselves that the character will be returning, not that she has returned.</p><p>If a Dev or the game itself had just once said "Oh, she's probably out there somewhere." then at least I would have known ahead of time that she could be returning.</p></blockquote><p>K... so were you ready to come face to face with Kerafyrm (in weird prismatic ghoul Fyr'remd Lorak form)?  He's actually not mentioned a tremendous amount in game, other than perhaps the whole cult of the awakened thing.  (He's mentioned a tremendous amount on these forums, but if you're talking about in game or by the devs... very little)  For all we knew, he woke up in EQ1, flew away, and wasn't ever coming back.  Or if he was coming back it would be in some super dragon form to kill us all.  There were absolutely no hints that on the first day of Sentinel's Fate you could do some quests and fly off to come face to face with him out in Quelule.</p><p>How is this any different, other than the fact that you don't like Firiona Vie?</p><p>And... even if she was absolutely the only character to be introduced into the EQ2 story the way she was... so what?  Maybe everybody in Norrath just plain forgot about her.  They've had a hell of a lot happen since they last knew she was alive.  She was doing her duty as avatar of growth and waiting for the right time, and meanwhile we just assumed she was dead.  I really don't think it breaks the story at all.</p></blockquote><p>There's another reason for her to disguise herself.</p><p>The Lifeguide was her weapon in EQ1 (or apparently at least part of it).  Without her primary method of self defense, one would think that she would need to hide from the numerous enemies she has just by being the Champion of Tunare.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Stubbswick wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My biggest problem with bringing her back is simply how they brought her back. I seriously would not have made an issue like this if they had at least foretold that she would be returning. Instead they drop an atomic bomb like this and just have her show up out of the blue with no warning. Just like that. That is what really bothers me here. If you just have a character show up with no explanation before hand, then you're pretty much telling the player that you just pulled it out of thin air. Sure, you might have your reasons and intentions for putting the character back in, but you need to ease into things by letting the player find out for themselves that the character will be returning, not that she has returned.</p><p>If a Dev or the game itself had just once said "Oh, she's probably out there somewhere." then at least I would have known ahead of time that she could be returning.</p></blockquote><p>K... so were you ready to come face to face with Kerafyrm (in weird prismatic ghoul Fyr'remd Lorak form)?  He's actually not mentioned a tremendous amount in game, other than perhaps the whole cult of the awakened thing.  (He's mentioned a tremendous amount on these forums, but if you're talking about in game or by the devs... very little)  For all we knew, he woke up in EQ1, flew away, and wasn't ever coming back.  Or if he was coming back it would be in some super dragon form to kill us all.  There were absolutely no hints that on the first day of Sentinel's Fate you could do some quests and fly off to come face to face with him out in Quelule.</p><p>How is this any different, other than the fact that you don't like Firiona Vie?</p><p>And... even if she was absolutely the only character to be introduced into the EQ2 story the way she was... so what?  Maybe everybody in Norrath just plain forgot about her.  They've had a hell of a lot happen since they last knew she was alive.  She was doing her duty as avatar of growth and waiting for the right time, and meanwhile we just assumed she was dead.  I really don't think it breaks the story at all.</p></blockquote><p>The developers told us that Kerafyrm was still alive and still out there somewhere way back when the game entered it's beta stages. The devs told us he was still alive and that we would eventually meet him. Kingdom of Sky gives some more focus surrounding him, or rather his follows, who were all getting frustrated that they didn't know where he had gone, and are waiting for the day he'll return.  Add to the fact that we can decipher Lord Kerafyrm by just rearranging the letters of Fyr'remd Lorak, and it makes it pretty obvious that he's back. I'm a huge follower of the Kerafyrm storyline btw. I was hooked from the very moment that I first heard about his existence back in EQlive. What Fyr'remd Lorak did to Roehn Theer is nothing short of exactly what Kerafyrm would do in his goal to obtain ultimate power. As for his current physical apperance, there's nothing unusual about him taking on a humanoid form. Barakah, Siyamak, Zordikalicus Ragefire, and various other dragons have hidden themselves among us in the past.</p><p>Firiona Vie... Just showed up again with no lead-in. I can't blame her for not giving any clues to suggest she still exists for her own protection, but you'd think people in Norrath would still inquire to what may have happened to her or where she might be. I doubt that people and history would just forget she existed. Especially among the Fae and Brownies, who know all too well that she, with the assistanc of the Lifeguide staff, was the one who directly cured all of Lesser Faydark from Cazic Thule's curse by having to touch Equestrial's horn in order to cut it off, thus slightly tainting FV in the process. Apparently she wasn't fully cured though, as Equestrial in Lesser Faydark is still fully corrupted. Maybe the void influenced that or something. Anyways, I just don't see it possible that everyone would just forget and put her out of thier minds.</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>It's been 400 years tho, and the entire planet has changed-- literally! People don't even know where High Hold is, much less who is where at any given time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />  Did the Devs say she WASN'T still around? Nope. But clearly her "lead-in" has been hinted at in veiled tidbits for <strong>years</strong> now. Did the Devs say "In the next expansion you will encounter Lord Kerafrym disguised as a freaky-looking Erudite who will trick you into helping him destroy the world?" Nope. We knew nothing for sure until Theer went down and the story unfolded. They're both just a convenient plot device to advance the game's main overall storyarc, nothing more... so my advice is just go with it and enjoy the story as it unfolds, and stop stressing over it so much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Stress is bad, m'kay? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's been 400 years tho, and the entire planet has changed-- literally! People don't even know where High Hold is, much less who is where at any given time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />  Did the Devs say she WASN'T still around? Nope. But clearly her "lead-in" has been hinted at in veiled tidbits for <strong>years</strong> now. Did the Devs say "In the next expansion you will encounter Lord Kerafrym disguised as a freaky-looking Erudite who will trick you into helping him destroy the world?" Nope. We knew nothing for sure until Theer went down and the story unfolded. They're both just a convenient plot device to advance the game's main overall storyarc, nothing more... so my advice is just go with it and enjoy the story as it unfolds, and stop stressing over it so much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Stress is bad, m'kay? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I guess the difference I'd see is that Kerafyrm, without even being in the game, had a visable, major impact on the goings on in EQ2.  The Cult of the Awakened basically had an entire expansion pack dedicated to them, and it was pretty much assumed that Kerafyrm would come back at some point.  Firona Vie, on the other hand, was relegated to very, very vague hints, and is just now jumping in to the storyline.</p><p>Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at her reappearence (I actually don't really care about her one way or the other) - just saying that her jumping back in the story was a lot more of a surprise than Kerafyrm appearing on Odus. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>(Side note:  Vhalen did give us a hint to Kerafyrm's whereabouts in the Norrath's Mysteries thread.  Among the questions was "Where is Kerafyrm?"  In the list of his out-of-order answers: "Inside a stolen realm, the answer rests."  Clever, clever Vhalen)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's been 400 years tho, and the entire planet has changed-- literally! People don't even know where High Hold is, much less who is where at any given time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />  Did the Devs say she WASN'T still around? Nope. But clearly her "lead-in" has been hinted at in veiled tidbits for <strong>years</strong> now. Did the Devs say "In the next expansion you will encounter Lord Kerafrym disguised as a freaky-looking Erudite who will trick you into helping him destroy the world?" Nope. We knew nothing for sure until Theer went down and the story unfolded. They're both just a convenient plot device to advance the game's main overall storyarc, nothing more... so my advice is just go with it and enjoy the story as it unfolds, and stop stressing over it so much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Stress is bad, m'kay? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>500 years, and as I pointed out above, the dev who responded in this thread even admitted that extremely vague tidbits were so vague that there was no possible way any of us could ever piece them together as definitive proof that it related to Firiona Vie.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Iskandar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's been 400 years tho, and the entire planet has changed-- literally! People don't even know where High Hold is, much less who is where at any given time <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" />  Did the Devs say she WASN'T still around? Nope. But clearly her "lead-in" has been hinted at in veiled tidbits for <strong>years</strong> now. Did the Devs say "In the next expansion you will encounter Lord Kerafrym disguised as a freaky-looking Erudite who will trick you into helping him destroy the world?" Nope. We knew nothing for sure until Theer went down and the story unfolded. They're both just a convenient plot device to advance the game's main overall storyarc, nothing more... so my advice is just go with it and enjoy the story as it unfolds, and stop stressing over it so much <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />  Stress is bad, m'kay? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>500 years, and as I pointed out above, the dev who responded in this thread even admitted that extremely vague tidbits were so vague that there was no possible way any of us could ever piece them together as definitive proof that it related to Firiona Vie.</p></blockquote><p>Who cares?  The developers don't have to warn us or ask our permission to reintroduce a character into THEIR game.  Firiona Vie has always been a big name in Norrath and I always expected to see her again some day.  With Velious on the horizon and the druid rings being rebuilt, this was the perfect time imo.  The best surprise apperances in other media (TV shows, movie sequels, etc) is when you dont see it coming at ALL but when you go back you see VAGUE hints there all along.  In this case the developers did a fantastic job.</p>

[Iskandar]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>500 years, and as I pointed out above, the dev who responded in this thread even admitted that extremely vague tidbits were so vague that there was no possible way any of us could ever piece them together as definitive proof that it related to Firiona Vie.</blockquote><p>That's sorta the whole point tho <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  The entire plot device is a surprise -- it wouldn't be much of a surprise if they just came out and said "Oh, on July 1, 2010, at 11:15pm, we will introduce Character_001 who is really Character_002 in disguise and who will trick you into doing XYZ when you think you're doing ABC." It doesn't even matter if it's an established character or not. It'd be like the producers of Dallas saying "Oh, JR didn't really get shot, it's just a dream -- but please watch this entire season and try to figure out who shot him in the dream before Sue Ellen wakes up." Or Sixth Sense -- it would have been a completely different movie if it started with Bruce being told "Oh, by the way, you're dead and just a ghost."</p><p>BTW, my apologies to anyone who has yet to go retro and watch the "who shot JR" season of Dallas or who somehow missed hearing about Sixth Sense <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Jaranna]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Anyways, I just don't see it possible that everyone would just forget and put her out of thier minds.</p></blockquote><p>I don't see where people forgot about Firiona Vie.  Honestly, I'd think that not a lot of people actually really cared about her outside her adventuring troupe.  She certainly had a major role to play in certain EQLive-era events, to be certain.  I just think that a lot of people, in game and out (like myself), just assumed that Tunare had taken her Chosen when she withdrew from the mortal realm.</p><p>Firiona was a high elf, and a beloved one at that, but the high elves are notoriously haughty and proud race.  It's quite possible (and likely) that once her illegitimacy became common knowledge, she lost favor among the koada'dal, despite her status as the Chosen of Tunare.  It's quite posible that the high elves <em>just didn't care</em> what happened to her.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Random thought.</p><p>If Firiona's mother was a Queen (she's refered to as Princess in this dialogue, and I remember her being stated to be such many times in the past in EQ1), isn't she rightful Queen of Felwithe?  Especially with Lenya apparently either dead or missing as far as the people of New Tunaria are concerned.</p><p>I wonder if that idea will be expanded upon...</p></blockquote><p>I'm suprised nobody answered this question. Fiona mother was the queen by marriage. The royal bloodline passed through King Thex. As King Thex is not her blood father, she has no legitimate claim on the throne. While Fiona might be able to persuade the Ren'dal to take her as queen, it is also possible that they might reject her out of hand for being impure, associating with non-elves, or by Mayong's indirect influence.</p><p>She has never shown any interest in becomming the monarch. She has a chance of doing so 500 years ago, and instead flead and went into hiding. Assumedly she went into hiding so she could avoid her enemies like the tier'dal and Innoruuk's followers who would of surely plotted against her. Instead she disgused herself and presented herself as Tunare's Chosen...which she always has been.</p><p>I like what they did with her appearance in game. The white highlights in her blond hair agree with the lore story that was released, but other than that she isn't showing any effects of aging. That is just a tad disappointing, but maybe with Tunare's direct influence it rejuvinated her? Also you don't actually see her holding the lifeguide staff which is a shame considering she was suppose to have just recovered it.</p><p>I'm also suprised Cusa is making such a big fuss over this. The title was a clue, just one that was easy to ignore. A second more important clue was the story of what happened to Firona Vie 500 years ago when she first escaped Felwith and went into hiding. Sure, it would of taken a Sherlock Holmes like genius to put it together before it was revealed, but in hind-sight it is much clearer.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ High elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves don't physically age. Their hair starts to turn grey, but that's about it.I don't think that whole "Went into Hiding" story was released until well into Omens of War when they decided to finally bring her back after 3 years of absense.</p><p>You're right. It does make sense in hind-sight, but that still means that nobody could have possibly figured it out before hand, which means the clues left behind weren't actually clues.</p><p>I can't believe I'm the only one who has a problem with this. A character is just flat-out dropped back when Verant and 989 became SoE, never to be thought about again for 4 years in the original game, and 8 years for EQ2, and then is just suddenly back as if nothing ever happened. That's just bad story telling right there. Just for once I'd love to see someone else see my point of view. There's nothing wrong with the way I'm thinking or my opinions on the matter.</p>

[Drekkus]

<p>I think that your above statement really says more about your position on this matter than you would like to think, Cusashorn. I personally am quite glad to see that they are bringing an icon of the original Everquest stories back from obscurity to play a part in the current storyline. It is furthermore heartening to see that they are able to take something and spin new and intricate stories out of them. It isn't exactly stellar story telling to have someone appear out of the blue, but that is mitigated by the fact that this isn't a book that has been planned out from beginning to end. This isn't like the Dragonlance series or the Wheel of Time series where there is a definitive beginning, middle and an end to the series. The developers must create a slew of new stories that weren't planned out during the initial development of EQ2. In the end, Everquest 2 is SOE's game and storyline. The devs know more about the lore of this game than any "lore expert" on these forums. It's their intellectual property and if the devs want Firiona Vie to be a part of the story then it is their right.</p>

[Putyo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Just for once I'd love to see someone else see my point of view. There's nothing wrong with the way I'm thinking or my opinions on the matter.</p></blockquote><p>LoL</p>

[Banditman]

<p>I would much rather see already existing characters rolled back into the EQ story than have new characters introduced who have absolutely no background at all.</p><p>If the developers have found a legitimate role in the story for an old character, great.  Bring the character back.</p><p>Great characters are those you have strong feelings about - love them or hate them.  Seems like there are people on both sides here, further confirming that Firiona Vie is a great character.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ High elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves don't physically age. Their hair starts to turn grey, but that's about it.I don't think that whole "Went into Hiding" story was released until well into Omens of War when they decided to finally bring her back after 3 years of absense.</p><p>You're right. It does make sense in hind-sight, but that still means that nobody could have possibly figured it out before hand, which means the clues left behind weren't actually clues.</p><p>I can't believe I'm the only one who has a problem with this. A character is just flat-out dropped back when Verant and 989 became SoE, never to be thought about again for 4 years in the original game, and 8 years for EQ2, and then is just suddenly back as if nothing ever happened. That's just bad story telling right there. Just for once I'd love to see someone else see my point of view. There's nothing wrong with the way I'm thinking or my opinions on the matter.</p></blockquote><p>Hmmm I wonder what this means for EQ1. As i hardly played it I can't say i knew much about the storyline. But if she did have her storyline end with the tower of Frozen shadows where its lost and that 1time per-server raid gets to go in and recover it what happened after.  Maybe this means a certain person(s) or problematic agreements over the character is resolved for the new game. I'd like to see what Tony would say.. or heck if he came back to say hi to us what Bill would say.</p>

[Trevalon]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ High elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves don't physically age. Their hair starts to turn grey, but that's about it.I don't think that whole "Went into Hiding" story was released until well into Omens of War when they decided to finally bring her back after 3 years of absense.</p><p>You're right. It does make sense in hind-sight, but that still means that nobody could have possibly figured it out before hand, which means the clues left behind weren't actually clues.</p><p>I can't believe I'm the only one who has a problem with this. A character is just flat-out dropped back when Verant and 989 became SoE, never to be thought about again for 4 years in the original game, and 8 years for EQ2, and then is just suddenly back as if nothing ever happened. That's just bad story telling right there. Just for once I'd love to see someone else see my point of view. There's nothing wrong with the way I'm thinking or my opinions on the matter.</p></blockquote><p>I completely disagree, I think some of the best storylines involve long lost characters from the past just dropping in out of nowhere.  Yes forshadowing is a technique of writing but it can often lead to being too obvious or giving away the "big surprise."  I was legitimately shocked when I saw it was Firiona and I think thats what made it so great because it wasn't obvious and it was a complete shock.  Its like: "Oh wow, Firiona, Holy crap, yea that makes sense actually, wow I never saw that coming!"</p><p>That's what makes it so great in the first place is that it is so completely shocking!</p><p>I mean we are always given the whole: "Who done it" routine where we sit pondering is it this perosn, or what person, did he kill her or did she fake her own death? blah blah blah.  Its nice sometimes just to be blown away with something so obscure that it never even entered your mind!</p>

[iceriven2]

<p>I think eq universe needs more heroes.   More characters to follow and explore there story. </p><p>I may get a lot of heat for this but its one of the few things I like about WoW.  The overall story arc is know by the majority of the players, and thats even with the "l337"  mentallity.  One thing i want them to copy.  providing easier exccess to the overall stories in game and actual story progression.  More then just the minor developments from each new xpac.</p><p>I would love to see more lore progression event/quest next update!</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ High elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves don't physically age. Their hair starts to turn grey, but that's about it.</p></blockquote><p>out of topic but ...</p><p>You do remember EQ1 had a bunch of "older" looking face options for the elves don't you? =P</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ There were 6 faces for every race and gender to pick from. None of the High Elf faces could exactly be called "Old". There were no wrinkles or anything like that on any of them. All the females look quite young and beautiful even with the white hair.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ There were 6 faces for every race and gender to pick from. None of the High Elf faces could exactly be called "Old". There were no wrinkles or anything like that on any of them. All the females look quite young and beautiful even with the white hair.</p></blockquote><p>Open a trial account and go look for yourself, I am not in the mood to take and post a bunch of pictures just to prove you wrong.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ There were 6 faces for every race and gender to pick from. None of the High Elf faces could exactly be called "Old". There were no wrinkles or anything like that on any of them. All the females look quite young and beautiful even with the white hair.</p></blockquote><p>Open a trial account and go look for yourself, I am not in the mood to take and post a bunch of pictures just to prove you wrong.</p></blockquote><p>If you want to prove me wrong, then prove me wrong.</p><p>When I started playing Everquest in the opening week, I remember exactly 6 faces for each race and gender. This did not change, even after Luclin came out. There was more customization with hair styles, hair color, eye color, beards, tattoos, and such, but there was still only 6 faces. For High Elf, Wood Elf, Half Elf, Dark Elf, and Human females, none of them looked old. None of them had signs of aging.</p><p>In fact, when EQ2 first announced that the character customization for Humans, Dwarves, Barbarians, Gnomes, and Halflings would have an Age slider to make them look as young or old as you wanted, it was treated as a rather big deal.</p><p>Besides, there may be graphical issues or matters of opinion where you might think some facial feature is the result of aging, but could just be how they look period.</p><p>If you want to prove me wrong, then I graciously wait for you to do so.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p>Females don't, but males do. You never said it was only females you were talking about, neither did I said they looked gandalf kind of old, just that they showed physical aging (males atleast ... ya know, females are rarely made looking older on mmos) which is my whole point. Regardless the males DO have older looks, most of their facial choices are /shrug I'd say its a matter of opinion but it isn't.</p><p>Anywho if you want to continue this lets do so on PMs, lets not derail this thread anymore.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^ High elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves don't physically age. Their hair starts to turn grey, but that's about it.I don't think that whole "Went into Hiding" story was released until well into Omens of War when they decided to finally bring her back after 3 years of absense.</p><p>You're right. It does make sense in hind-sight, but that still means that nobody could have possibly figured it out before hand, which means the clues left behind weren't actually clues.</p><p>I can't believe I'm the only one who has a problem with this. A character is just flat-out dropped back when Verant and 989 became SoE, never to be thought about again for 4 years in the original game, and 8 years for EQ2, and then is just suddenly back as if nothing ever happened. That's just bad story telling right there. Just for once I'd love to see someone else see my point of view. There's nothing wrong with the way I'm thinking or my opinions on the matter.</p></blockquote><p>Hmmm I wonder what this means for EQ1. As i hardly played it I can't say i knew much about the storyline. But if she did have her storyline end with the tower of Frozen shadows where its lost and that 1time per-server raid gets to go in and recover it what happened after.  Maybe this means a certain person(s) or problematic agreements over the character is resolved for the new game. I'd like to see what Tony would say.. or heck if he came back to say hi to us what Bill would say.</p></blockquote><p>Eh afaik they finished that GM event and she got "rescued" and then eventually just poofed on DoD pre release events while fighting Lanys for the 120,439,340th time. You can probably still find Sir Jevik Isqual by ToFS on Iceclad.</p><p>Edit: Alla has the links for the quests for the event still</p><p><a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3022" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?quest=3022</a> starter iirc and last one <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=3025" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...html?quest=3025</a></p><p>But still, she just dissapears on DoD and appears again on Seeds of destruction along with Lanys on the third event of discord tower raids ... Which is kind of the blue and stuff but yeah.</p><p>for those curious, out of alla too the dialogue when you beat their event on discord =P its ... I honestly think its pointless O_o Still doesn't change the fact that FV returning its kind of awesome ... tho, deep down in my heart, I wanted her dead.</p><p>Pixtt Curator of Discord has been slain by _____! Firiona Vie says 'Thank you for saving us from the Curator. I did not wish to spend the rest of eternity in his clutches.' Lanys T`Vyl says 'Bah. They were not here to help us. They were just here to strip-mine the place of treasures. They are no better than the discordians themselves. I would as soon thank worms as to thank these. . . adventurers.' Firiona Vie says 'Lanys! Not that I should expect any different from you, but you must admit that in the end they helped you, no matter what.' Firiona Vie crosses her arms and glares around at the gathered beings. Firiona Vie says 'Well I for one thank you. Unfortunately I must take my leave immediately and evaluate what has happened while I was away.' Lanys T`Vyl says 'I will leave this be only for now. I will be coming for you shortly Firiona.'</p><p>back to lurking ~</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>I'd like to observe that both those events (ToFS Reclaiming Lifeguide and SoD Tower) are decidedly Non-Canon for EQ2.  Particularly the SoD is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE with the route the storyline took (Discord never happened, no Mata Muram means no SoD).  The ToFS quest is still possible (on an outside chance) but so unlikely that I think it'd be more likely for Kerafyrm to be killed by a flaming waffle shot out of an ogre's nose.</p><p>Unfortunately the last official action involving Firiona Vie (other than her being kidnapped at the start of Kunark, which didn't last long, nor really do anything important) was Bloody Kithicor, which was also the last official action involving Lanys.  Shortly after the event (and until the Hate revamp) Lanys could be found in Hate near Innoruuk's area (though her name wasn't given it was obviously her.  Always spawned as female, mentioned something about her father being past her, yadda yadda.)  She vanished when they revamped Hate, but in the EQ2 storyline she was made demigoddess of Envy, her sword (Sedition) eventually ends up as the SK Fabled epic, and the whole point of the Mythical quest is essentially to kill her off permanently (you gather the materials to focus the Bloodmoon Gem in the sword's crossguard, with the original intent of restoring Lanys.  At the end of the quest however you decide to make the ritual attune the Bloodmoon Gem to yourself, purging Lanys' essence from Sedition, and the Demi-Sphere of Envy.  This prompts the quest giver to attack you.)</p><p>Yup, that's right, like so many other class epics, the SK's quest does something really patently absurd (you effectively make yourself the demi-god/goddess of Envy!)</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd like to observe that both those events (ToFS Reclaiming Lifeguide and SoD Tower) are decidedly Non-Canon for EQ2.  Particularly the SoD is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE with the route the storyline took (Discord never happened, no Mata Muram means no SoD).  The ToFS quest is still possible (on an outside chance) but so unlikely that I think it'd be more likely for Kerafyrm to be killed by a flaming waffle shot out of an ogre's nose.</p><p>Unfortunately the last official action involving Firiona Vie (other than her being kidnapped at the start of Kunark, which didn't last long, nor really do anything important) was Bloody Kithicor, which was also the last official action involving Lanys.  Shortly after the event (and until the Hate revamp) Lanys could be found in Hate near Innoruuk's area (though her name wasn't given it was obviously her.  Always spawned as female, mentioned something about her father being past her, yadda yadda.)  She vanished when they revamped Hate, but in the EQ2 storyline she was made demigoddess of Envy, her sword (Sedition) eventually ends up as the SK Fabled epic, and the whole point of the Mythical quest is essentially to kill her off permanently (you gather the materials to focus the Bloodmoon Gem in the sword's crossguard, with the original intent of restoring Lanys.  At the end of the quest however you decide to make the ritual attune the Bloodmoon Gem to yourself, purging Lanys' essence from Sedition, and the Demi-Sphere of Envy.  This prompts the quest giver to attack you.)</p><p>Yup, that's right, like so many other class epics, the SK's quest does something really patently absurd (you effectively make yourself the demi-god/goddess of Envy!)</p></blockquote><p>I know its none cannon, was just linking stuff for rezi (or anyone else that might be curious) to know [Removed for Content] is going on EQ1 with FV and see how big of a senseless mess it is lol</p><p>Anywho given the EQ1 mess, I don't find the EQ2 "Hey I was here all along!" lame or anything /shrug I took it as a pleasent surprise and it sure to heck  beats a "Thank you for rescuing me!" then appearing like 4 years later or w/e "Woo I am in discord and I wont tell you how I got here!!1!1"</p><p>all in all, let's see if any other old faces appear : p</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Unfortunately the last official action involving Firiona Vie (other than her being kidnapped at the start of Kunark, which didn't last long, nor really do anything important) was Bloody Kithicor, which was also the last official action involving Lanys.  Shortly after the event (and until the Hate revamp) Lanys could be found in Hate near Innoruuk's area (though her name wasn't given it was obviously her.  Always spawned as female, mentioned something about her father being past her, yadda yadda.)</p></blockquote><p>Not exactly. You left out a few details. After the Battle of Bloody Kithicor in 1999, they spent most of 2000 telling FV's encounters in Kunark, as well as Lanys' story as well. Lanys started to abuse her position as the Daughter of Hate and Demi-Goddess of Strife (yes, Strife. They made her Envy here in EQ2, but she was Strife in EQlive.)</p><p>At the end of the Kunark arc, The Lifeguide Staff had been broken up into segments, and Lanys started to track them down. Her ultimate goal was to pretty much destroy all life on Norrath with it (hence, strife.) Neriak, of all cities... was not happy to hear this. Daddy wasn't too pleased either. Under the King's orders, Neriak's army marched to the Rathe Mountains to fight against Lanys and her followers. Lanys was killed in battle and her body taken back to Neriak, where a ritual would be performed where Innoruuk himself would take her soul from the body and absorb it back into the Plane of Hate.</p><p>In the Spring of 2001, it was revealed that some cultists had managed to steal away her body They holed themselves up in Befallen in an attempt to bring her back to life. Her soul was gone, but they figured they could put a new one inside and bring her back to life. Neriak's scouts and soldiers managed to stop them before they could get anywhere, and they immediately held a ritual in Neriak where her body was burned to ashes.</p><p>When June came around, the Bloodsabers began spreading their three plagues across the plains of Karana, though this event isn't directly related to the rest of this post.</p><p>In July, Cazic Thule decided to taint the Lesser Faydark region and corrupt it. The whole forest turned blood red. Imps, Frights, Skeletons, and other evil creatures roamed around. Cazic also corrupted Equestrial, a famous unicorn that the elves had a great respect for. It came down to Firiona Vie to put a stop to the corruption. Cazic knew what Firiona was trying to attempt. Since killing Equestrial was out of the question, the only way to cure Equestrial of her corruption was to cut off her horn. The only way for FV to do that was to touch the horn herself.</p><p>Cazic Thule then came to the forest to deal with Firiona herself, but Tunare appeared and fought him off. Before he left, Cazic laughed that while his corruption was now cleared from the forest, Firona Vie herself would be forever tainted because she had to touch the horn to cut it off. FV knew of this, but accepted the consequence anyway.</p><p>(BTW, Equestrial the Corrupted is still found in Lesser Faydark by the Obelisk of Blight, but there's no indication whether this was as a result of Cazic Thule or the Void.)</p><p>It was around September or so that Firiona Vie learned that the last part of the Lifeguide staff had been taken to the Tower of Frozen Shadow, but this is where the story was dropped. By this time, Verant had become part of SoE entirely. They started firing GM's, so they couldn't hold these events as often. The last GM event I remember them holding was when Al'Kabor opened up a teleportation portal leading up to Luclin and stabilizing the spires so that people could travel back and forth between Norrath and Luclin.</p><p>Despite my disposition and attitude so far in this thread, these events were among some of my favorites to follow along with back then. The temporary revamps to Befallen, Lesser Faydark, and the Karanas were quite fun. I probably wouldn't have such an issue with FV returning if either A: The devs had not said that they wanted to leave Firiona out of EQ2 and make Antonia and Lucan this game's mascots, or B: There was some better lead-in to better suggest that she would be returning. I mean just a little bit of a better hint that she might be coming back.</p><p>Then again, I've also come to realize that just by clicking on this thread the day before I could do the quest myself, I have only myself to blame for reacting to the spoiler itself rather than the revelation.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>Equestrielle is the only being in Lesser Fay that wasn't cleansed when Firiona Vie purged Cazic-Thule's taint.  After the event Equestrielle could be found wandering the Lesser Faydark turned into a black horse (instead of the white unicorn she once was).  She dropped horn fragments and was kill on sight to everyone.  So I'll go out on a limb here and say that it's still Thule's taint that corrupts her.</p><p>Essentially Firiona had to make a choice IIRC.  Killing Equestrielle would purify HER but leave the Lesser Faydark corrupt forever, while using Equestrielle's horn would have the opposite effect, leaving the unicorn forever corrupt, and Lesser Faydark pure.  Firiona's taint from the event came from the fact that, no matter what, she couldn't win and basically had to forever condemn someone.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6601" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s...h.shtml?id=6601</a></p><p>Cazic Thule is rather fond of those "even if I lose, I still win" scenarios.  This event is a good example (and if it can be accepted as true, the book Pond to Paladin is another).</p><p>Also, Lucan and Antonia havn't really been the game's mascots in forever.  They've not been on box art or loading screens since pre-DoF.  Really EQ2 doesn't have a true "mascot" in the same way Firiona Vie was the mascot of EQ1.</p><p>If she was really and truely in hiding there wouldn't be many hints about it, but as was pointed out before:  Al'Kabor gives you a letter for her (before we knew Eva was Firiona this sparked a debate in my guild about the connection between them, since we doubted Al'Kabor would trust such knowledge with someone he didn't know.)  and WAAY back in EoF it WAS said that 2 of the prophets were returning from EQ1.  Danak and Eva were the confirmed pair (confirmed by the God of Lore himself, so that's pretty much inargueable.  Say what you will, this was apparently decided quite some time ago).  So there were (very subtle, and only obvious in hindsight) hints that Eva wasn't who she claimed to be.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd like to observe that both those events (ToFS Reclaiming Lifeguide and SoD Tower) are decidedly Non-Canon for EQ2.  Particularly the SoD is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE with the route the storyline took (Discord never happened, no Mata Muram means no SoD).  The ToFS quest is still possible (on an outside chance) but so unlikely that I think it'd be more likely for Kerafyrm to be killed by a flaming waffle shot out of an ogre's nose.</p><p>Unfortunately the last official action involving Firiona Vie (other than her being kidnapped at the start of Kunark, which didn't last long, nor really do anything important) was Bloody Kithicor, which was also the last official action involving Lanys.  Shortly after the event (and until the Hate revamp) Lanys could be found in Hate near Innoruuk's area (though her name wasn't given it was obviously her.  Always spawned as female, mentioned something about her father being past her, yadda yadda.)  She vanished when they revamped Hate, but in the EQ2 storyline she was made demigoddess of Envy, her sword (Sedition) eventually ends up as the SK Fabled epic, and the whole point of the Mythical quest is essentially to kill her off permanently (you gather the materials to focus the Bloodmoon Gem in the sword's crossguard, with the original intent of restoring Lanys.  At the end of the quest however you decide to make the ritual attune the Bloodmoon Gem to yourself, purging Lanys' essence from Sedition, and the Demi-Sphere of Envy.  This prompts the quest giver to attack you.)</p><p>Yup, that's right, like so many other class epics, the SK's quest does something really patently absurd (you effectively make yourself the demi-god/goddess of Envy!)</p></blockquote><p>Technically that doesn't make you a demi-god. All this does is give you a power feed like many of the non-dieties in Norrath have that use divine type powers (example: Veneril Satheris).</p><p>What makes you a demi-god is having a true diety imbue you with a portion of their power over a sphere of influence they control.</p><p>The origional hope was that Sedition could  feed enough power to Lanys that she could restore herself. Now this hope is gone as you've decided to absorb this power instead of using it to resurrect Lanys. Lanys could technically still be revived by other means. Her follower's lost their best chance at reviving her, that's all.</p>

[TaleraRis]

<p><cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Equestrielle is the only being in Lesser Fay that wasn't cleansed when Firiona Vie purged Cazic-Thule's taint.  After the event Equestrielle could be found wandering the Lesser Faydark turned into a black horse (instead of the white unicorn she once was).  She dropped horn fragments and was kill on sight to everyone.  So I'll go out on a limb here and say that it's still Thule's taint that corrupts her.</p></blockquote><p>Teehee! Not just kill on sight, but "spot you and tear completely across the zone to come stomp you" on sight <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I remember living in mortal terror that Equestrielle would hear me breathing when I stepped into LFay and come run me down.  It was one of those exciting little thrills like running like a maniac through Kithicor at night.</p>

[Jeht]

<p>lol wut?</p>

[Wilin]

<p>I've got screenshots (somewhere) of Firiona Vie coming to the Elven Court and announcing that she would cleanse the forest. Some of the most memorable times in EQ1 and EQ2 were the GM events (while they lasted).</p>