Enlightening story about product quality [Archive]

Guillard

06-13-2010, 04:30 PM

Let's imagine that you bought the EQ2 game for $26 (it's significant).What will you get as result?1. Awful client design. Starting with launcher, the bad one. Aside of the problems with launcher, you're getting a client which takes away as much memory as it can before hanging while randomly showing some objects (some of which is needed for the quests);2. Large empty wolrd. Maybe filled with some silent uncooperative people. Just what you want.3. Constantly decreasing level progress. A month of the game gives you level... 30(!!) Maybe it's what was wanted with level cap of 50, but come on, it's 90 now. I would link my character, but cannot find its profile, after month of playing it's not here. Wonderful.4. Apartheid of players who has level 90 character in level 90 guild and the normal new players. Function unique to EQ2, it seems.5. A large level 90 guild who happily check all boxes possible in recruit block... but don't give a about people they actually recruited.6. Forums full of trolls and churly, abusive people.7. Lack of reasonable in-game documentation.8. Horrible UI with impossible configuration. Existing so-called addons are hard to keep updated or even plain to install.9. Miscellanious: non-working battlegrounds for instance. They have a month to fix them, you know... Paid content updates. Let's buy the game again each year! etc.Pricing the game gives you a slight hint that they expected you to play less than 2 month before getting bored. WoW, it's hard to name another game which makes such assumptions right from the start. Or they could just fix that problems and get more from the subscriptions... but they don't.Seriously, what does a company expect keeping their product broken for 6 years already?

Upir

06-13-2010, 04:43 PM

Playing a ranger for a main, I'm happy to hit on the haterade as much as the next guy but to be fair, you really can't blame Sony for the second half of 2, 4, 5, or 6. There are a bunch of things they can control but how people choose to interact with one another isn't there responsibility. Sounds like maybe you just don't get along with the general population of the game.

Dasein

06-13-2010, 05:06 PM

What you're describing could apply to virtually every MMO out there more than a few months old.

Crickett

06-13-2010, 05:08 PM

Never, ever anything good to say.Be you a #6 too?G'bye

Orlac

06-13-2010, 05:23 PM

Bye!

erin

06-13-2010, 05:40 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let's imagine that you bought the EQ2 game for $26 (it's significant).What will you get as result?1. Awful client design. Starting with launcher, the bad one. Aside of the problems with launcher, you're getting a client which takes away as much memory as it can before hanging while randomly showing some objects (some of which is needed for the quests);</blockquote>Yes there are a few memory leaks, but I've got a 3 year old computer as my best one, and it runs EQ2 fine. I bought a crappy $400 Fry's special (with Vista no less) as a secondary, and it runs EQ2 just fine.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>2. Large empty wolrd. Maybe filled with some silent uncooperative people. Just what you want.</blockquote>I find people fairly cooperative. I find that the world is anything but empty. Even when I go to a zone like lavastorm or everfrost, I still run into people. And if I'm doing a quest, they will usually share the named, if its that type of situation.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>3. Constantly decreasing level progress. A month of the game gives you level... 30(!!) Maybe it's what was wanted with level cap of 50, but come on, it's 90 now. I would link my character, but cannot find its profile, after month of playing it's not here. Wonderful.</blockquote>People constantly say you can get 1-90 in a week. I dunno, it takes me a long time to get a char to 90, but once you hit the 60s or 70s, you can find groups easily. And I can generally get to 70 in a month. Would you like SOE to hand you a level 90 character? Not sure what your complaint is with this.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>4. Apartheid of players who has level 90 character in level 90 guild and the normal new players. Function unique to EQ2, it seems.5. A large level 90 guild who happily check all boxes possible in recruit block... but don't give a about people they actually recruited.</blockquote>Don't join a guild that's made up of mostly level 90 characters. Duh. Join one that has lots of folks that are spread across many levels. Its not hard to do a /who "guildname" and figure out if the guild has people your level in it. Sounds like you have an issue with one guild. Not sure what SOE is supposed to do about that.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>6. Forums full of trolls and churly, abusive people.</blockquote>Kind of like you? I find the forums generally helpful. You want abusive, go over to the unofficial flames forums. Good luck getting an answer to a newb question over there without catching your shorts on fire.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>8. Horrible UI with impossible configuration. Existing so-called addons are hard to keep updated or even plain to install.</blockquote>The UI is decent, the add-ons are incredibly easy to use and very well documented. Did you bother reading the documentation or FAQs? Also its not SOEs responsibility if you use an add-on from a third party site.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pricing the game gives you a slight hint that they expected you to play less than 2 month before getting bored. WoW, it's hard to name another game which makes such assumptions right from the start. Or they could just fix that problems and get more from the subscriptions... but they don't.</blockquote>The game is priced competitively with other games of this genre as far as I can tell. I don't see how you make the jump from $26 to them thinking it will take less than 2 months to get bored. Most RPGs cost around $39.99, which is what I've paid for EQ2 plus each expansion. I've always gotten my money's worth, well more than 2 months of entertainment. But to each their own. Still your conclusion about pricing vs. entertainment value (when you get bored) is a baffling one.Sure sounds like you are unhappy and should just move on. How many movies have you paid $10 or more for and not had a good experience with? This is no different. This is for some, and not for others. Good luck in your next game.

Guillard

06-13-2010, 06:01 PM

The game have no new players, no no new guilds. 90% of server population is level 80/90 or have >=1 80/90 chars. Therefore, no new guilds.No MMORPG games cost $40. Most of them are free, and you put your credit card in, download client and dive in. If the game charge the sum comparative to normal game, that mean only one thing: they expect their MMORPG to be handled as normal game: played for a week and stashed in a box somewhere. Disturbing.Editing configuration files by hand is not an easy to use way at all. Documentation of interface addon (they cannot contain scripting here I believe)?? It's just a file which move controls around, it doesn't need _any_ documentation if designed properly.Levelling? For the month of playing I was in group 1 (one) time. So I should solo grind to 70 to even get into the group?So the company took my $25 and told me to off?How many movies have you paid $10 or more for and not had a good experience with?0 (zero). Speaking of which, I was going to use trial, but it allowed me no server to choose. So I didn't knew what to expect, definitely.To reiterate: where's my forum character? where's my profile page? where's the battlegrounds? where are the groups?Where's some resemblance of quality?

Pavahac

06-13-2010, 06:24 PM

First off, what server are you on? second, where are you playing from? and finally what time do you play? Yes all of these are factors no matter which MMO you play. When I Play at my earliest hours I hardly find anyone and when I play much later i find people all over.

Senya

06-13-2010, 06:28 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>No MMORPG games cost $40. Most of them are free, and you put your credit card in, download client and dive in.</blockquote><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832127004&cm_re=world_of_warcraft_battle-_-32-127-004-_-Product" target="_blank">Not free</a><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832784006&cm_re=aion-_-32-784-006-_-Product" target="_blank">Not free</a><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832220021&cm_re=fallen_earth-_-32-220-021-_-Product" target="_blank">Not free</a><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832193041&cm_re=warhammer-_-32-193-041-_-Product" target="_blank">Not free</a><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832141023&cm_re=age_of_conan-_-32-141-023-_-Product" target="_blank">Also not free</a>As you can see if you clicked the links mmo's are not free. I could have went on with a whole long list of MMO's. I've never played any that you didn't buy the software for and just paid for the sub once a month. I've played 5 and they've all been this way. (EQ, Aion, WoW, LoTRO, and EQ2). Aion was $50.00, WoW was $40.00, EQ2 was $20 at the time I got it and later I bought the expansion. I'm not sure what games you've been playing but that was some faulty information you have that "No MMORPG games cost $40."

Nayawk

06-13-2010, 06:32 PM

Given that you really don't like the game, infact every post you make is negative, I would suggest you find something more suited to your expectations, only a fool keeps banging his head against a wall complaining it hurts.Lots of people enjoy this game, and yes there are new people coming in everyday, you only have to watch the 1-9 chat and the trial/tricks forum to see that all of which seem to be having a blast. SOE can't please everyone all the time, the trick is to please enough people that the game has a steady population, which it does. I play extremely late night US time (2am to 6am-ish) on one of the lower population servers, but I still see people about.I think your conclusions are unfair and inaccurate, but they are yours and you are welcome to them, but you hate the game but won't leave so I can only conclude what you really enjoy is complaining loudly.

Klive

06-13-2010, 06:34 PM

so quit. I usually welcome new players to the game. But I have never ever seen a positive post on forums from you. You must hate this game. Why put yourself through the agony of playing this horrible game. Only 10s of thousands of people love it. EQ2 must really be a yucky game.

MoiraesFate

06-13-2010, 06:46 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let's imagine that you bought the EQ2 game for $26 (it's significant).What will you get as result?1. Awful client design. Starting with launcher, the bad one. Aside of the problems with launcher, you're getting a client which takes away as much memory as it can before hanging while randomly showing some objects (some of which is needed for the quests);Load of bull. Just because you don't happen to like it doesn't mean its bad. 2. Large empty wolrd. Maybe filled with some silent uncooperative people. Just what you want.Again... load of bull. 3. Constantly decreasing level progress. A month of the game gives you level... 30(!!) Maybe it's what was wanted with level cap of 50, but come on, it's 90 now. I would link my character, but cannot find its profile, after month of playing it's not here. Wonderful.Another load of bull.4. Apartheid of players who has level 90 character in level 90 guild and the normal new players. Function unique to EQ2, it seems.Not true in the least. If you think this is the case, you didn't bother to try to find a good guild. 5. A large level 90 guild who happily check all boxes possible in recruit block... but don't give a about people they actually recruited.You know.. you CAN leave the guild and find another. Just a thought.6. Forums full of trolls and churly, abusive people.Not true in the least. This is the best community of any game I've ever seen, and I've played 14 different MMO's. Right now, you're being rude. You're getting it back. Welcome to life.7. Lack of reasonable in-game documentation.Not true.8. Horrible UI with impossible configuration. Existing so-called addons are hard to keep updated or even plain to install.Not true.9. Miscellanious: non-working battlegrounds for instance. They have a month to fix them, you know... Paid content updates. Let's buy the game again each year! etc.This game was not created for PvP. If PvP is what you are really after, then find another game. This game is not balanced for PvP and hopefully it never will be. Its supposed to be Everquest... in other words... you do quests, you don't kill other players.Pricing the game gives you a slight hint that they expected you to play less than 2 month before getting bored. WoW, it's hard to name another game which makes such assumptions right from the start. Or they could just fix that problems and get more from the subscriptions... but they don't.Seriously, what does a company expect keeping their product broken for 6 years already?That people who don't like the game will do the grown up and responsible thing and find a game they DO like. If you are leaving? Good riddance. </blockquote>

Fyranaer

06-13-2010, 07:02 PM

You're not going to like every game OP. There is a FREE trial of EQ2 and most games on the market. You should really try before you buy if $25 is a lot to you.I'm sorry you don't like the game because I think it's fricken awesome. You do have some valid complaints and I think your opinion matters but your attitude sucks. The game client isn't the best I've used and could stand improvement and older games are harder for newer players to enter. The thing is coming into a forum and insulting the people who create and play the game isn't going to garner you any sympathy or concern. No one is going to care if the really bad customer leaves and no one outside the game is likely to care what a nerd-raging ranter spews on other sites. You do yourself and the game community a disservice.The game is solo friendly for when you can't find a group or don't want to. Not only that but high level players can lower their level down (mentor) to do content with lower level players. What a cool feature.Crafting items and gear can get you all the way through the game unless you like to raid.There is as much or more to do in this game as any other on the market. There are collection quests, achievements, raids, RP story arcs, languages to learn that unlock quests, faction and rewards with that, and more. If this game was only about some combat I wouldn't play it, but there is so much more it is almost remarkable when compared to other AAA titles like Age of Conan and LotRO. I played LotRO for 3 years because I love Middle Earth, but there is more to do in levels 1 - 30 in this game than there is in LotRO up to 65.By the way I paid for LotRO, AoC, Aion, Guild Wars, Lineage, DDO (I started before F2S), WoW, and some others. Most AAA titles cost even if you can download the client and start for free.

Wurm

06-13-2010, 07:08 PM

I find people to play with every day... you must of accidentally been put on the only server were there are no other players.

Carthr

06-13-2010, 07:18 PM

Umm...I get lvl 30 in about an hour...maybe 2... Maybe you should actually log in during that month... Generally don't get too many lvls when you don't actually play

Andu

06-13-2010, 07:32 PM

<cite>Wurm wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find people to play with every day... you must of accidentally been put on the only server were there are no other players.</blockquote>After reading a few of his posts its pretty clear why he finds the server is effectively empty. I mean, would you group with him?

MurFalad

06-13-2010, 07:42 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let's imagine that you bought the EQ2 game for $26 (it's significant).What will you get as result?1. Awful client design. Starting with launcher, the bad one. Aside of the problems with launcher, you're getting a client which takes away as much memory as it can before hanging while randomly showing some objects (some of which is needed for the quests);</blockquote>It seems to work just fine on my computer, and I'm guessing that since SOE are still in business it works fine on a lot of other peoples computers, performance could be better, but then again graphically when you crank it up I've yet to see that sort of detail elsewhere.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>2. Large empty wolrd. Maybe filled with some silent uncooperative people. Just what you want.</blockquote>If you go to London it will be a busy bustling city, if you go to the north of Scotland there are areas where you can walk without seeing another person for days.My server is rated about average and I see other groups in low level places such as stormhold or BlackBurrow, other times I can quest alone in a vast world. Sure the EQ2 devs could delete every other zone out there to funnel all the players into a small amount of content, some MMO's are deliberately designed like this, but I actually prefer it the EQ2 way. And silent unco-operative players? I've not met a better population then in EQ2, period.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>3. Constantly decreasing level progress. A month of the game gives you level... 30(!!) Maybe it's what was wanted with level cap of 50, but come on, it's 90 now. I would link my character, but cannot find its profile, after month of playing it's not here. Wonderful.</blockquote>The extreme power levelling is level 80 in 7 hours, I did it in 26 days played, but other characters I have seem to zoom through the levels recently, I'd recommend slowing down and enjoying the game while levelling and not just powering past everything, levelling happens anyway just playing and enjoying the game.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>4. Apartheid of players who has level 90 character in level 90 guild and the normal new players. Function unique to EQ2, it seems.</blockquote>You must be on a very anti-social server, I've often seen and experienced high level raiders group up with low levels via the mentoring system, which makes sense seeing how hard it is to get AA. Here I think its actually something you might be doing wrong, I'd recommend everyone to not only press U and find a guild, but also to get active in that guild, try to help people out and you'll find by doing this you get to know people, and those people help you out. A MMO is a social game, all the designers can do is make it easy for players to be socialable, as soon as they try to automate the social aspects (auto grouping cross server for example) the game no longer becomes sociable, in that respect EQ2 is darn nigh on perfect, or at least the best I've experienced.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>6. Forums full of trolls and churly, abusive people.</blockquote>You forgot to mention people who exagerate to make a point, this forum isn't perfect, but there are a lot worse ones out there, some seem to be full of emo people, the L2P or NOOB calling crowd, or just ones that cannot make a point without swearing on forums that are unmoderated, I'd rate this forum pretty highly myself.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>7. Lack of reasonable in-game documentation.</blockquote>The game has voice acted talk throughs of all the basic mechanics of the game, if you are struggling to get to 30 in one month of play then these are the ones you need to check up on. I'll agree with you though that some more advanced concepts are not explained well enough in game, take for example deflection, as a newbie I thought it sounded like something any tank would need.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>8. Horrible UI with impossible configuration. Existing so-called addons are hard to keep updated or even plain to install.</blockquote>Maybe you don't like it, for me it looks quite smart, but without reading up on anything I could quite simply move things around and add bars to organise my screen as a complete newbie, its much more configurable then other MMO's. Some add-ons are a pain to install though, having to edit text files isn't great for some add-ons, so this could do with some improvements, but I've survived playing for over 2 years without using one add-on, so they are not vital at all.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite> <blockquote>9. Miscellanious: non-working battlegrounds for instance. They have a month to fix them, you know... Paid content updates. Let's buy the game again each year! etc.Pricing the game gives you a slight hint that they expected you to play less than 2 month before getting bored. WoW, it's hard to name another game which makes such assumptions right from the start. Or they could just fix that problems and get more from the subscriptions... but they don't.Seriously, what does a company expect keeping their product broken for 6 years already?</blockquote>The pricing is there as the highest they can get away with before they drive potential subscribers away, no more, no less. That money then gets plowed back into developing the game, the people who gave SOE the money to make the game (creditors), and to fund the next games that come out, ideally most of the money goes into development, and seeing that EQ2 is still an actively developed game I think that's true.You've given a long list of things you see as wrong or need improving, can you describe here how they actually should work/be improved?

Guillard

06-13-2010, 08:20 PM

<cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're not going to like every game OP. There is a FREE trial of EQ2 and most games on the market. You should really try before you buy if $25 is a lot to you.</blockquote>I tried free trial, but it could not find not a single server for my character to play. Of course as soon as I bought the game they appeared, magically. I'd call that trial a scam.

Carthr

06-13-2010, 08:38 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyranaer@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're not going to like every game OP. There is a FREE trial of EQ2 and most games on the market. You should really try before you buy if $25 is a lot to you.</blockquote>I tried free trial, but it could not find not a single server for my character to play. Of course as soon as I bought the game they appeared, magically. I'd call that trial a scam.</blockquote>A scam? And what did they get out of it, since you paid, what, nothing?

Shareana

06-13-2010, 08:53 PM

Let's keep it nice... Everyone is entitled to their opinions and shoudl be able to post them as long as they fall into the guidelines.As for the trial not showing any servers, that is not correct. It will always show servers, but how many will show up depends on your region. If you weren't seeing anything, then perhaps you could have posted and someone would have helped you find them while you were on the trial.

Guillard

06-13-2010, 09:24 PM

My region has 3 servers, no-one of them was available on my trial account. The client was showing a big red error text... without an actual message. Before you think up an exuse that it was maintenance time or something, I tried to finally place my character for some days. And as only I upgraded my account, with the same client, I could select Them, co-incidence much? Please get the fact straight before telling me what is the truth and what is not.

Macross_JR

06-13-2010, 09:30 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>My region has 3 servers, no-one of them was available on my trial account. The client was showing a big red error text... without an actual message. Before you think up an exuse that it was maintenance time or something, I tried to finally place my character for some days. And as only I upgraded my account, with the same client, I could select Them, co-incidence much? Please get the fact straight before telling me what is the truth and what is not.</blockquote>sounds like you might be someplace over in Europe. if that's the case then I don't know what to tell you cause I don't know much about how you came about getting the game or if the releases of the game over in Europe was already localized to start you on the European servers or not. But you coming here with this huge /rant of a post isn't going to solve the issues you have with this game. Any MMO that has been out for as long as this one has is almost baren at lower levels. It's due to the fact that the people who have been playing this game since launch(which is a lot more then newer people) are at max level.

Guillard

06-13-2010, 09:48 PM

What you see with a trial account:<a href="http://yfrog.com/4jservermwj">http://yfrog.com/4jservermwj</a>The quality of answers of personal on this forum perfectly gets in line with overall game quality.And seriously, if you get into the group 1 time in 30 level, even with that "fantastic" mentoring feature, it's not MMORPG. Why it doesn't bother game designers? New awful starting area doesn't count.

erin

06-13-2010, 10:34 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>What you see with a trial account:<a href="http://yfrog.com/4jservermwj">http://yfrog.com/4jservermwj</a>The quality of answers of personal on this forum perfectly gets in line with overall game quality.And seriously, if you get into the group 1 time in 30 level, even with that "fantastic" mentoring feature, it's not MMORPG. Why it doesn't bother game designers? New awful starting area doesn't count.</blockquote>Why do you bother to post on a game you despise? Why do you continue to play? You aren't actually interested in a discussion or even a debate, you just want to basically call us losers. Fine, get it out of your system and move on. I'm pretty confident I know why you are having the problems you are. Attitude is everything in an online game.

Klive

06-13-2010, 10:54 PM

Is there a way to put forum posters on /ignore?

Guillard

06-13-2010, 10:56 PM

I don't despise anything, there are some quality, usability and content standards for Western MMORPG games.Why instead of commenting on the actual issue you're insulting me? Maybe because it's easier.I didn't see anything in game orienting for making it interesting for a new players or making higher-level players to be interested in them. They don't merge empty servers because it apparently causes distress to said players. Subliminal message of this policy is "cater to existing population and ignore new players. After we tricked them to pay by either breaking trial (in my case) or limiting it beyond being representative in general case, they are of no use for us, and we will not spend their money of enhansing game experience for them". If you think it's normal and appropriate, I don't know what to say.

Macross_JR

06-13-2010, 11:14 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't despise anything, there are some quality, usability and content standards for Western MMORPG games.Why instead of commenting on the actual issue you're insulting me? Maybe because it's easier.</blockquote>we are commenting on them as well. but it really seems that you are the one having the major issues with the game. I've tried games that I ended up not liking, but I just stopped playing them. I didn't go to the forums to try and berate the game, I didn't like it so I left it. And like I asked before, are you from Europe? That might have something to do with the trial not letting you start on one of those servers. And the deal with the money, you took a risk, and I'm sorry but it didn't pan out for you. You just seem like you don't want to have to deal with not liking the out come of your risk you took.

Macross_JR

06-13-2010, 11:22 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't despise anything, there are some quality, usability and content standards for Western MMORPG games.Why instead of commenting on the actual issue you're insulting me? Maybe because it's easier.I didn't see anything in game orienting for making it interesting for a new players or making higher-level players to be interested in them. They don't merge empty servers because it apparently causes distress to said players. Subliminal message of this policy is "cater to existing population and ignore new players. After we tricked them to pay by either breaking trial (in my case) or limiting it beyond being representative in general case, they are of no use for us, and we will not spend their money of enhansing game experience for them". If you think it's normal and appropriate, I don't know what to say.</blockquote>ok, you edited while I was reply'ing. First, there is no empty server. Sure some are less populated then others. But none are empty. It doesn't cause distress to said players, it will put a strain on an already straining database infrastructure that they are working on fixing. No one tricked you into paying for the game. And I seriously think you are ignoring my question asking you if you are from Europe. If you are from Europe and the trial doesn't let you make a character on a server there, then you have something to complain about. It's hard to get players that have been playing this game for going on over 6 years to get excited about something they have probably done numerous times on alternate characters. Any game that has been around as long as Everquest 2 will mainly work on making content for the later levels, because that is where most of the existing player base is at. The developers have made leveling in this game quite easy, easy to the point I can take a character from 1-25 in one sitting. That is not even using my existing characters coin or anything. So I really don't understand how it took you over a month to get 1 level. So, like others have said, you evidently don't like the game, stop paying for it. Save your money and find a game you will like. It will save you stress from the reply's here and it will save us from telling you what is pretty common sense for aging MMO's.

awny

06-13-2010, 11:23 PM

Sir/Madam,i really am sorry that you are not happy with the game. There are many others out there for you to try. I hope that you can find one that fits your style.As someone who has tried quite a few, EQ2 is , by far, the best overall in my opinion. You have your thoughts, I have mine... nether the twain shall meet. Your time perhaps would be better spent searching for your perfect game.

Guillard

06-13-2010, 11:28 PM

How can it be aging if it selling in retail boxes at stores at $26? The aging titles (like NWN) are sold at $6.49 for a Platinum version with all expansions included.Secondly, I thought that game is served by a 1 company worldwide. So Europe cannot get the trial and has to buy game at full price?

Gaige

06-13-2010, 11:36 PM

Seriously SOE get some new servers, this bs is getting silly. 10 min zone times?

erin

06-13-2010, 11:46 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Secondly, I thought that game is served by a 1 company worldwide. So Europe cannot get the trial and has to buy game at full price?</blockquote>Nobody has said that, you need to get over yourself and actually read what is being said, GEEZ!!Europe has a different region, you could have switched regions, and if you had bothered to ask anyone you would have found this out. Instead you just want to rage. You could have tried the game for free and determined whether you liked it or not but you chose to rage and buy the game and then rage some more. Good luck but please move on to some other game, we don't need people like you.

Wurm

06-14-2010, 03:56 AM

Starting to think is a prime example of "Don't feed the Trolls"Other than Gaige of course... he is correct that the 10 min + zone times is getting more than old.And Hey OP... you do realize that NWN isn't a MMO right?

Odys

06-14-2010, 04:17 AM

I agree on the low quality of the UI and about performance issues. Otherwise it seems that you failed to find nice people around, our guild is very friendly to new players.Rather than implementaing useless BGs SOE team should had work on revamping the interface, especially the raid one. Selecting someone out of your group is very hazardous especially with your mouse freezing due to graphical effects (even in extreme performance mode) .Your comment on the leveling spee is rather unclear, do you think it's too fast or too slow?

Axterix

06-14-2010, 06:29 AM

<cite>Odys@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your comment on the leveling spee is rather unclear, do you think it's too fast or too slow?</blockquote>He finds it too slow. Personally, I'd say I find it too fast, except I've got the lovely option to divert xp into AA, so too fast basically doesn't exist <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But saying it takes a month to get to 30 is laughable. The new newbie zones are designed to get to 20 in the blink of an eye and the likes of BB means it doesn't take long to get to 32+ after that. And that's all solo.If you join a group doing FG, Stormhold, Splitpaw, Crushbone, or HC, well, odds are that group will have a 70+ or two in it at the least. And that in turn can see you breeze through 3-5 levels in a couple of hours.If I had to guess, he's on a server that doesn't match his playtime, probably relatively low population to begin with, so when he's on, there's few others. And given what we've seen of his personality, well, he's probably not the type to successfully form his own groups or establish positive social connections.Anyway, don't really agree with any of his points.Overall, I find things better than in most MMOs, especially ones this age. And things like the mentor system and the ability to dump points into AAs mean I've seen a lot more grouping in this game in the low levels than, say, a certain other MMO with millions of subscribers.Which isn't to say there aren't some silly things, like how they haven't really improved the default map system because they don't want to step on the toes of an addon that most likely came into existance because the default map system was lacking. But that's also offset by things that make you wonder why other MMOs have ripped these ideas off left and right. /Waypoint #, #, #, for example.

Frenzywolf

06-14-2010, 07:18 AM

I am just sitting here thinking.. HOW did you manage to take a month getting to 30? I have managed to get 5 characters to 30 in a week. Do you only play an hour a day?

Shareana

06-14-2010, 08:26 AM

As already stated, you could have asked for assistance if no servers were showing up prior to buying the game outright. Many people have also commented on your other issues. It is difficult to be helpful when every post is negative... and the players that post on here are just that, other players.... some have no in game issues.... some have some... Be nice everyone please....

Frenzywolf

06-14-2010, 08:35 AM

<cite>Shareana wrote:</cite><blockquote>As already stated, you could have asked for assistance if no servers were showing up prior to buying the game outright. Many people have also commented on your other issues. It is difficult to be helpful when every post is negative... and the players that post on here are just that, other players.... some have no in game issues.... some have some... Be nice everyone please....</blockquote>Yes sorry Shareana but it is hard to help someone that seems they don't want to be helped and anything they post is negative. It seems this person is not happy unless they are miserable.There are so many things to do in EQ2. Explore, chat with other players, ask for assistance. If the server you are on seems to be not very helpful give another server a try. You have to empower yourself to fit into the community by getting active and being friendly, check out the different chat channels and see if others your level are looking for a group, to help others can also help yourself. Nobody wants to sit by and listen to someone spout negativity.

feldon30

06-14-2010, 10:01 AM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>3. Constantly decreasing level progress. A month of the game gives you level... 30(!!) Maybe it's what was wanted with level cap of 50, but come on, it's 90 now. I would link my character, but cannot find its profile, after month of playing it's not here. Wonderful.</blockquote>Level 1-20 can be done in an evening. You can get to level 30 in a weekend.And mind you this is all doing quests. If you grind mobs in the right zones, you can reach level 40 in a few days of play.If you are trying to level quickly, but only level 30 after a month, um, you're doing it wrong.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>4. Apartheid of players who has level 90 character in level 90 guild and the normal new players. Function unique to EQ2, it seems.5. A large level 90 guild who happily check all boxes possible in recruit block... but don't give a about people they actually recruited.</blockquote>So you went out of your way to join a level 90 guild full of level 90 players, but feel neglected on your level 30 toon?Join a guild that caters to new low level players.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>8. Horrible UI with impossible configuration. Existing so-called addons are hard to keep updated or even plain to install.</blockquote>Installing EQ2Maps and ProfitUI Market Window aren't that hard. I do think UIs could be more straightforward to install.<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Paid content updates. Let's buy the game again each year! etc.Pricing the game gives you a slight hint that they expected you to play less than 2 month before getting bored. WoW, it's hard to name another game which makes such assumptions right from the start. Or they could just fix that problems and get more from the subscriptions... but they don't.</blockquote>So you don't like MMOs in general? Congratulations on your epiphany.MMOs are $15 a month plus $40 a year. If you aren't level 80, you don't even need the expansion, since it's level 80-90 content. Nobody forces you to buy the expansion.

Obadiah

06-14-2010, 10:51 AM

<cite>Shareana wrote:</cite><blockquote>As already stated, you could have asked for assistance if no servers were showing up prior to buying the game outright. Many people have also commented on your other issues. It is difficult to be helpful when every post is negative... and the players that post on here are just that, other players.... some have no in game issues.... some have some... Be nice everyone please....</blockquote>Well, it's difficult for us trolls and churly, abusive people to be nice. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Shiirr

06-14-2010, 11:30 AM

A month to hit 30? A month? Seriously? A week, maybe two if you're taking your time. Three, tops, but that's if you're only logging in for an hour a night. I smell a troll or a slacker; they both have the same aroma, so it can be hard to tell sometimes.Join a newbie friendly guild if you're having issues because you're too low. I rerolled on a different server, because I simply don't have the time to spend on the PvP server. I'm already self-sufficient and have a character almost 40, and another in the teens but heavily twinked out. There's a wealth of information here, and on other sites, not to mention more than a few people willing to spend their personal time to send people PM's with tips & suggestions with one simple request for assistance. I've got two pc's running the game. One is almost 5 years old, and requires me to have the video settings pretty low. The other is a pretty robust machine; I have custom settings with everything set to "high" or "max", and it's smooth as silk for the most part. Tailor the settings to each machine individually. That's basic gaming 101, and applies to RTS's, FPS's & MMO's alike.In regards to the trial, wow, simple mistake on your part and you couldn't be bothered to either research it or ask for help, so you went out and bought it without trying it? Here's a suggestion for your next MMO choice, in case you have trouble with that one too. Go to <a href="http://www.google.com. " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.google.com. </a> Then type in "name of video game", and "forums". Chances are you'll find what you're looking for, and be able to fix the trial so it's functional. Also, the only requirement for a trial is a valid email address. Yahoo & Google both offer those. You can always enter a new trial account if it takes you too long to hammer out the problems. Put in a little effort and you'll be rewarded, ask for help in a mature fashion and you'll receive it. Pis$ & moan when people try to help you and you'll get told to [Removed for Content]. It's all in how you do it.

Grong

06-14-2010, 11:51 AM

New game coming out you might find nostalgic--"Iron Curtain"A massive MORPG in which you can stand in line for 10+ hours for basic foodstuffs, spend all day drunk with vodka in a turnip field, run through dank, dark dirty backstreets trying to avoid the Stasi, finding great deals for cigs at the black market, or going online to a game forum and ranting about a game you play and spend money on and don't have the sense to quit.

MoiraesFate

06-14-2010, 11:59 AM

<div><cite>Githil@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't despise anything, there are some quality, usability and content standards for Western MMORPG games.Why instead of commenting on the actual issue you're insulting me? Maybe because it's easier.</blockquote>we are commenting on them as well. but it really seems that you are the one having the major issues with the game. I've tried games that I ended up not liking, but I just stopped playing them. I didn't go to the forums to try and berate the game, I didn't like it so I left it. And like I asked before, are you from Europe? That might have something to do with the trial not letting you start on one of those servers. And the deal with the money, you took a risk, and I'm sorry but it didn't pan out for you. You just seem like you don't want to have to deal with not liking the out come of your risk you took.<div></div></blockquote></div>Exactly. I don't know why people bother to go on the forums of games they don't like bash them. It doesn't help anything. I have plenty of games I don't like but I don't post on their forums, I just left.

Shiirr

06-14-2010, 12:03 PM

<cite>Jaask@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>New game coming out you might find nostalgic--"Iron Curtain"A massive MORPG in which you can stand in line for 10+ hours for basic foodstuffs, spend all day drunk with vodka in a turnip field, run through dank, dark dirty backstreets trying to avoid the Stasi, finding great deals for cigs at the black market, or going online to a game forum and ranting about a game you play and spend money on and don't have the sense to quit.</blockquote>Ah, the good old days ...

MoiraesFate

06-14-2010, 12:15 PM

<cite>Guillard wrote:</cite><blockquote>How can it be aging if it selling in retail boxes at stores at $26? The aging titles (like NWN) are sold at $6.49 for a Platinum version with all expansions included.Secondly, I thought that game is served by a 1 company worldwide. So Europe cannot get the trial and has to buy game at full price?</blockquote>What are you talking about? This is an MMO, not a regular single player game. I've never seen an MMO go for $4.99 on the shelves. The regular price for all these games (including wow), is about $45 and includes all expansions.If you have found EQ2 Sentinel's Fate for $26, then count yourself lucky. I paid $40 for mine and I was happy to do so. It includes ALL five years worth of content. $26 is NOT the full price anywhere.Europe does get the trial. People have answered your questions already and you're being extremely unreasonable and antagonistic. I've come to expect that from people in North America, but I expected better from someone in Europe since you always seemed to be better behaved. At least politer. I'd also like to ask how in the world it took you one month to get to level 30. Maybe that was the case when the game first opened, but you can get to level 20 in less than four hours. Level 30 in another week or so (doubt it will take that long, most likely only another day or so) if you play another few hours. What takes a long time are levels 50-90 but those aren't that hard either.

MoiraesFate

06-14-2010, 12:17 PM

<cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously SOE get some new servers, this bs is getting silly. 10 min zone times?</blockquote>Thats not SOE's problem, its yours. I've never had more than a 2 minute zoning time, and thats on a bad day.

Wurm

06-14-2010, 12:34 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously SOE get some new servers, this bs is getting silly. 10 min zone times?</blockquote>Thats not SOE's problem, its yours. I've never had more than a 2 minute zoning time, and thats on a bad day.</blockquote>Depends on the server.

Castonu

06-14-2010, 12:53 PM

Every forum post by the OP has been negative. And it has been suggested that he find a game that he likes, but he still comes here and bashes EQ2 constantly. It would seem to me that either he is just a troll or worse, that he no longer plays EQ2 and still bashes it.I have to say that most of the stuff he writes is so far out there concerning this game that it is unbelievable that we have even played the same game as what he is talking about.EQ2 is not perfect nor are most other MMOs, just because we all have our own thoughts on what they should be, but I have to say EQ2 is by far trying the hardest to make this one fun game and I know I enjoy logging in daily!

Gaige

06-14-2010, 01:58 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thats not SOE's problem, its yours. I've never had more than a 2 minute zoning time, and thats on a bad day.</blockquote>Right. Its obviously my problem. It was only Highlands, it affected numerous guildmates and people were talking about it in 80-89 but it was only me.Get over yourself, this game has serious server hardware issues.

agnott

06-14-2010, 02:17 PM

<cite>Castonu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Every forum post by the OP has been negative. And it has been suggested that he find a game that he likes, but he still comes here and bashes EQ2 constantly. It would seem to me that either he is just a troll or worse, that he no longer plays EQ2 and still bashes it.I have to say that most of the stuff he writes is so far out there concerning this game that it is unbelievable that we have even played the same game as what he is talking about.EQ2 is not perfect nor are most other MMOs, just because we all have our own thoughts on what they should be, but I have to say EQ2 is by far trying the hardest to make this one fun game and I know I enjoy logging in daily!</blockquote>Lets be honest, for every op like him there is sombody that defends everything they do.I still enjoy the game too but we are in the middle of the worst techinical problems that game has ever seen. It's hard to defend these problems after 6 years. But as you and I both know ..if the game was up 1 day a week, people would defend it.Is EQ2 really trying harder?? The expansion before last was released at the same time as Station Cash. And that followed the longest expansion drought in the games history. So why did we get far less then we ever got, just as they found a new revenue stream on the top of what they were making?

JoarAddam

06-14-2010, 02:20 PM

Strangely the only thing that enlightened me about this thread is that the OP whines about trolls while at the same time trolling... The internet is apparently one big gigantic bridge, it's really too bad there aren't enough goats to go around.

Shareana

06-14-2010, 02:39 PM

Exactly what server are you playing on Guillard? According to another post, you mention the server Nexus. I believe that is a Russion Server which would mean that you would need to see the people that run the Russian servers... Akella Online has that I believe.I found a <a href="http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://forums.akella-online.ru/forumdisplay.php%3Ff%3D161&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAkella%2Bonline%26hl%3Den%26client%3D firefox-a%26hs%3Dc5Y%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjzkZzSyJ1RTXcctDVpfMfzGTLndg" target="_blank">forum</a> for that... so if you have any issues, you would need to contact them as they would be the only ones that could help you. Which might explain some of your past issues....

Kiara

06-14-2010, 03:20 PM

Since it's fairly clear that our OP has strayed from the Russian forums, which Shareana has so helpfully linked, I think it's time we go ahead and shut this down before it gets any uglier than it already is.If you're still having zone time issues (Gaige), please send the details to me, Rothgar, or Zoltaroth. The team is still working on things to solve/reduce these issues and any info helps.Thanks all!