PVP Fabled lower tier gear vs. PVE mastercrafted lower tier gear

[ravage99]

<p>Just curious why PVE players are not afforded Fabled class specific gear with all the fancy procs that the PVP players can get in the lower tiers. Yes I know what some will say "play BG's till you get your BG set" well thats fine, but if you never get a Ganak run but once or twice a day and Den is almost impossible to get in lower tiers, how is it possible to get the lower tier gear? </p><p> Just saying I think soe should put a system in for PVE players to get a fabled "fancy" set of gear outside BG's to compete inside BG's so the playing field is a little more equal.  Keep in mind I also know you can run 90's or 80's BG's and pass the tokens to other toons, but if you don't have that level toon on an account then I guess you are just out of luck.  Just my 2cp.</p>

[Eritius]

<p>IB4SHOULDPLAYPVPSERVER</p><p>Wouldn't mind seeing a pvp flag system like WoW has or even a guildwar function like back in EQ1's earlier days. But the QQ from PVP Servers would be massive.</p>

[Piccolo]

<p><em>the stats for the pvp fabled gear is not as good as MC gear. slight boost in mitigation, but the stats via a whole set, are pretty much halved.</em></p>

[Orthureon]

<p><cite>ravage99 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just curious why PVE players are not afforded Fabled class specific gear with all the fancy procs that the PVP players can get in the lower tiers. Yes I know what some will say "play BG's till you get your BG set" well thats fine, but if you never get a Ganak run but once or twice a day and Den is almost impossible to get in lower tiers, how is it possible to get the lower tier gear? </p><p> Just saying I think soe should put a system in for PVE players to get a fabled "fancy" set of gear outside BG's to compete inside BG's so the playing field is a little more equal.  Keep in mind I also know you can run 90's or 80's BG's and pass the tokens to other toons, but if you don't have that level toon on an account then I guess you are just out of luck.  Just my 2cp.</p></blockquote><p>All this crying is going to cause global flooding... BGs were a terrible idea to allow PVP servers to have. There are far too many PVE people trying to PVP for the first time. I bet you expect your opponent to give you timers, and to never move aslong as you back them into a wall so you cannot get knocked back right? I say if you want all this fancy gear start on a PVP server. I clearly remember the masses of PVE players crying whenever anything from PVP affected PVP balance in the slightest. All the current complaints from PVE players are getting everything REAL PVP players have grown accustomed to "toned down", grats!</p><ul><li>Fear earring = Nerfed</li><li>Clear target PVP items = Nerfed</li><li>Barrier = Nerfed</li><li>Defensive shielding = Nerfed (actually removed and replaced with again the nerfed version of Barrier).</li><li>Damage procs = Nerfed</li><li>Admirals Chain = Nerfed</li><li>And on and on!!!</li></ul><p>I have an idea that you should agree with, how about no PVE gear AT ALL in BGs? Well besides Mastercrafted and BGs gear? I think that sounds best. At the very least flag ALL avatar gear as PVP only! Then the PVE players will be asking for them to give us lag because we are used to PVPing and they are not.</p><p>Oh and btw all that fancy class gear with procs, well the sets are pretty terrible in comparison to the new BG sets. And guess what to get them we either have to PVP or do BGs. We are not handed them for free, so get out there and learn to PVP and enjoy the game.</p>

[ravage99]

<p><cite>Orthureon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>ravage99 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just curious why PVE players are not afforded Fabled class specific gear with all the fancy procs that the PVP players can get in the lower tiers. Yes I know what some will say "play BG's till you get your BG set" well thats fine, but if you never get a Ganak run but once or twice a day and Den is almost impossible to get in lower tiers, how is it possible to get the lower tier gear? </p><p> Just saying I think soe should put a system in for PVE players to get a fabled "fancy" set of gear outside BG's to compete inside BG's so the playing field is a little more equal.  Keep in mind I also know you can run 90's or 80's BG's and pass the tokens to other toons, but if you don't have that level toon on an account then I guess you are just out of luck.  Just my 2cp.</p></blockquote><p>All this crying is going to cause global flooding... BGs were a terrible idea to allow PVP servers to have. There are far too many PVE people trying to PVP for the first time. I bet you expect your opponent to give you timers, and to never move aslong as you back them into a wall so you cannot get knocked back right? I say if you want all this fancy gear start on a PVP server. I clearly remember the masses of PVE players crying whenever anything from PVP affected PVP balance in the slightest. All the current complaints from PVE players are getting everything REAL PVP players have grown accustomed to "toned down", grats!</p><ul><li>Fear earring = Nerfed</li><li>Clear target PVP items = Nerfed</li><li>Barrier = Nerfed</li><li>Defensive shielding = Nerfed (actually removed and replaced with again the nerfed version of Barrier).</li><li>Damage procs = Nerfed</li><li>Admirals Chain = Nerfed</li><li>And on and on!!!</li></ul><p>I have an idea that you should agree with, how about no PVE gear AT ALL in BGs? Well besides Mastercrafted and BGs gear? I think that sounds best. At the very least flag ALL avatar gear as PVP only! Then the PVE players will be asking for them to give us lag because we are used to PVPing and they are not.</p><p>Oh and btw all that fancy class gear with procs, well the sets are pretty terrible in comparison to the new BG sets. And guess what to get them we either have to PVP or do BGs. We are not handed them for free, so get out there and learn to PVP and enjoy the game.</p></blockquote><p>Did I miss something last I checked I was talking about lower tier gear.  Does anyone know if you have seen low level avatars running around on the PVE servers??</p>

[Shiirr]

<p>Perhaps clarifying what is implied with "lower tier" would be a start?</p>

[ravage99]

<p><cite>Shiirr@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Perhaps clarifying what is implied with "lower tier" would be a start?</p></blockquote><p>30 to say 60 levels</p>

[Orthureon]

<p><cite>ravage99 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shiirr@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Perhaps clarifying what is implied with "lower tier" would be a start?</p></blockquote><p>30 to say 60 levels</p></blockquote><p>No matter what level it is, there is gear that is available currently to only PVE servers, which is specifically Avatar gear. Avatars are no longer available on PVP servers. But otherwise the rest of the post stands. It would be very helpful in your campaign of getting our geared nerfed if you listed what pieces you mean. I am sure it will be "fixed" within a week.</p>