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[Dorsan]

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[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9422/parseimpossible.jpg" /></p></blockquote><p>Well..for starters..I see Dreww in there. I'm assuming that was a random pickup,cause no one in their right mind would group with Dreww..he's pretty much the server idiot.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p>Aside from what appears to be a 'sandwich match' from easy mode slackers? You're not in the list? Unless it's one of your alts that I'm unaware of.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9422/parseimpossible.jpg" /></p></blockquote><p>Well..for starters..I see Dreww in there. I'm assuming that was a random pickup,cause no one in their right mind would group with <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Dreww..he's pretty much the server idiot</span></strong>.</p></blockquote><p>I thought that title belonged to Seliri and Balbusar. My how the times have changed.</p>

[Stuckx]

<p>Oh wait..I see it..healing given..the guys that did no damage somehow healed for quite a bit.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p>Damage you deal that is warded doesn't show up on your damage dealt.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Damage you deal that is warded doesn't show up on your damage dealt.</p></blockquote><p>Yep. That should be fixed IMO because it pretty much makes those parse screens even more meaningless.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Aside from what appears to be a 'sandwich match' from easy mode slackers? You're not in the list? Unless it's one of your alts that I'm unaware of.</p></blockquote><p>Nah not my alt, my wife's warden was in it, just it was the first time I've seen the ward bug so obviously on the parse.</p><p>edit: Fun times, just now had a match where we had 2 wardens and the opposite team had a mystic/templar combo and our warden complained about our dps at the end of the match after seeing the parse screen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SOE: Any ETA on fixing this bug?</p>

[Alima_Tunare]

<p>People look at that stuff?  lol</p>

[Allforgrog]

<p>Very nice wards, that the blue team couldn't burn through at all is what i see and Dreww exiting before the match started and being replaced.</p>

[Dojac]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9422/parseimpossible.jpg" /></p></blockquote><p>The thing that is wrong with this is that Ebofu is not in my guild.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>Only thing odd to me was 13 people in a 6vs6.</p>

[TheVekk]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Corydonn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Damage you deal that is warded doesn't show up on your damage dealt.</p></blockquote><p>Yep. That should be fixed IMO because it pretty much makes those parse screens even more meaningless.</p></blockquote><p>IMO i think it is working fine becuse wards prevent damage, so you didnt actualy DO the dmg to them so why would it count toward your total damage done?</p>

[Dorsan]

Because wards are not stoneskin. You need to actually burn through them. If we apply your logic then healed damage shouldn't count either. Basically if a warden has a HoT on you or the Mystic have a ward on you it is a same thing. If I did 1000 damage in one case or in another - that's 1000 damage in both cases. Damage against wards not counting is for me the same thing as wards not counting as heals at the start of Bgs. A bug.

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Because wards are not stoneskin. You need to actually burn through them. If we apply your logic then healed damage shouldn't count either. Basically if a warden has a HoT on you or the Mystic have a ward on you it is a same thing. If I did 1000 damage in one case or in another - that's 1000 damage in both cases. Damage against wards not counting is for me the same thing as wards not counting as heals at the start of Bgs. A bug.</blockquote><p>So would you then parse the damage done to the ward as damage taken on the tank?</p>

[TheVekk]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Because wards are not stoneskin. You need to actually burn through them. If we apply your logic then healed damage shouldn't count either. Basically if a warden has a HoT on you or the Mystic have a ward on you it is a same thing. If I did 1000 damage in one case or in another - that's 1000 damage in both cases. Damage against wards not counting is for me the same thing as wards not counting as heals at the start of Bgs. A bug.</blockquote><p>im not sure I get what your saying.</p><p>if you hit someone for 1000 damage and a warden healed it you did the dmg but it got healed up, if you hit for 1000 dmg but it was warded you didnt actualy do anything to the person. its like if you are mezzed and have a ward on you, the ward will have to get used up before the mezz on you will break, unless this changed.</p><p>i dont think it a bug mainly becuse if you read the combat log, when you attack someone who gets warded it just says you fail to inflict damage, i dont think there parse go into great detail like act would.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Because wards are not stoneskin. You need to actually burn through them. If we apply your logic then healed damage shouldn't count either. Basically if a warden has a HoT on you or the Mystic have a ward on you it is a same thing. If I did 1000 damage in one case or in another - that's 1000 damage in both cases. Damage against wards not counting is for me the same thing as wards not counting as heals at the start of Bgs. A bug.</blockquote><p>So would you then parse the damage done to the ward as damage taken on the tank?</p></blockquote><p>As damage taken on the person who was being hit. Since it is already tracked for the heal parse (you can see the wards as healing received per person correctly) then I see no reason why would the DPS parse be borked like that. I mean it just makes no sense, because if you have 2 copies of me in Ganak for example and one of me is attacking group 1 with a defiler healing and the other one of me is attacking group 2 with a warden healing then the second me will do 3x more DPS compared to the first me.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if you hit someone for 1000 damage and a warden healed it you did the dmg but it got healed up, if you hit for 1000 dmg but it was warded you didnt actualy do anything to the person. its like if you are mezzed and have a ward on you, the ward will have to get used up before the mezz on you will break, unless this changed.</p><p>i dont think it a bug mainly becuse if you read the combat log, when you attack someone who gets warded it just says you fail to inflict damage, i dont think there parse go into great detail like act would.</p></blockquote><p>No, what I am saying is, the ward for a defiler is same as the HoT for warden. They are different types of healers, but in both cases the damage was inflicted and healed. And its a nice example because in both cases the defiler and the warden placed the healing spell before the actual attack and the healing spell negated the effect of the attack. But the attack still did happen in both cases and the damage was actually done - to the players health (which the HoT restored afterwards) or to the ward on the player.</p>

[TheVekk]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Because wards are not stoneskin. You need to actually burn through them. If we apply your logic then healed damage shouldn't count either. Basically if a warden has a HoT on you or the Mystic have a ward on you it is a same thing. If I did 1000 damage in one case or in another - that's 1000 damage in both cases. Damage against wards not counting is for me the same thing as wards not counting as heals at the start of Bgs. A bug.</blockquote><p>So would you then parse the damage done to the ward as damage taken on the tank?</p></blockquote><p>As damage taken on the person who was being hit. Since it is already tracked for the heal parse (you can see the wards as healing received per person correctly) then I see no reason why would the DPS parse be borked like that. I mean it just makes no sense, because if you have 2 copies of me in Ganak for example and one of me is attacking group 1 with a defiler healing and the other one of me is attacking group 2 with a warden healing then the second me will do 3x more DPS compared to the first me.</p></blockquote><p>I see what your getting at, but that is the function of wards. if wards didnt apply to the heal parse when they prevented dmg shamans would never be on the parse for healing.</p><p>Either way this is such a small thing I dont think they will fix this anytime soon, there are alot bigger problems I would hope they are workin on fixing.</p>

[TheVekk]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if you hit someone for 1000 damage and a warden healed it you did the dmg but it got healed up, if you hit for 1000 dmg but it was warded you didnt actualy do anything to the person. its like if you are mezzed and have a ward on you, the ward will have to get used up before the mezz on you will break, unless this changed.</p><p>i dont think it a bug mainly becuse if you read the combat log, when you attack someone who gets warded it just says you fail to inflict damage, i dont think there parse go into great detail like act would.</p></blockquote><p>No, what I am saying is, the ward for a defiler is same as the HoT for warden. They are different types of healers, but in both cases the damage was inflicted and healed. And its a nice example because in both cases the defiler and the warden placed the healing spell before the actual attack and the healing spell negated the effect of the attack. <span style="color: #ff0000;">But the attack still did happen in both cases and the damage was actually done - to the players health</span> (which the HoT restored afterwards) or to the ward on the player.</p></blockquote><p>That is not true if someone was warded and it eats to full amount of dmg the player did not take any damage. the attack may have still happened but if it did no damage why should it count toward your damage done when it didnt do the Damage?</p><p>A heal parse is diffrent becuse the way wards/reactives/direct heals work, they count dmg prevention becuse if they didnt shamans would look they they never did any healing. You can not compare heal parses to damage parses.</p>

[Dorsan]

So then you think the function of the DPS parse is to show which team had more defilers/mystics?

[Seiffil]

<p><cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>TheVekk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if you hit someone for 1000 damage and a warden healed it you did the dmg but it got healed up, if you hit for 1000 dmg but it was warded you didnt actualy do anything to the person. its like if you are mezzed and have a ward on you, the ward will have to get used up before the mezz on you will break, unless this changed.</p><p>i dont think it a bug mainly becuse if you read the combat log, when you attack someone who gets warded it just says you fail to inflict damage, i dont think there parse go into great detail like act would.</p></blockquote><p>No, what I am saying is, the ward for a defiler is same as the HoT for warden. They are different types of healers, but in both cases the damage was inflicted and healed. And its a nice example because in both cases the defiler and the warden placed the healing spell before the actual attack and the healing spell negated the effect of the attack. <span style="color: #ff0000;">But the attack still did happen in both cases and the damage was actually done - to the players health</span> (which the HoT restored afterwards) or to the ward on the player.</p></blockquote><p>That is not true if someone was warded and it eats to full amount of dmg the player did not take any damage. the attack may have still happened but if it did no damage why should it count toward your damage done when it didnt do the Damage?</p><p>A heal parse is diffrent becuse the way wards/reactives/direct heals work, they count dmg prevention becuse if they didnt shamans would look they they never did any healing. You can not compare heal parses to damage parses.</p></blockquote><p>There's still damage applied to the ward until it is gone.  If the damage counts as being absorbed towards the heal parse then the damage should be accounted for as damage dealt and damage taken. </p><p>That being said I wouldn't think this would matter, unless there's something that would make this actually matter aside from pure ego.</p>

[Dorsan]

Well it is not important, but if the scoreboard is not showing the real values then why show a scoreboard at all?