Desactivate floating in ganak

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>It's boring to see all ganak last always 20 min because a stupid fae always go top to unresearchable point top of wall or upper aqueduc above team rez spot.</p><p>It's exactly same exploit than in klak anon when we was able to keep relic in base where opponant cant go.</p>

[Ambrin]

<p>If you try and get onto any of the upper structures in Ganak you automatically drop the flag (this includes the aquaducts). I have even managed to dropped the flag by jumping to close to a wall once in Ganak.</p><p>If you find someone on a structure with the flag that means that they can be hit from the ground or in some position that does not require any jumping or gliding skills. Sometimes you may need to reposition yourself so that you can hit that person, but there is always a point you can hit that person from.</p>

[Darkelfelin]

<p>I'm totally backing that opinion...</p><p>Could be easier tough to just slightly revamp the map and get rid of those stupid spots that only Faes can reach.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p>I always said, all Battlegrounds maps should be made flat with no walls.</p>

[lollipop]

<p>Please also disable snare, roots, melee dmg and caster dmg. Oh also run speed on everyone should be 0. Lets just have the flags run around at 200% run speed and us try to catch them .....yeah sounds fun.</p><p>Almost forgot remove all buildings to. no rocks as well. Make it a flat square shape....no grass as well just black floor with yellow lines like a holodeck...</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>Or if you really want people go on top of the wall (flag spot) then do a path than everyone can use, atm it's an exploit, only fae can be there, and it's just impossible for melee class and some class to range the fae, when the only thing fae have to do is step back and be out of see, you have to do go outside for be able to see target again, and fae just have to move little and again out of see. while snare root, run speed and all kind of thing, yes i hate striffle stun fear, but they are part of the game they dont put you in upper wall where no one can hit you more than once. everyone have them so it's part of the game, floating and be hide on upper structure where no one can hit you, it's an exploit. 1 :desactivate floating. 2 :create a full path allowing everyone to go there (top of wall upper to flag spot). (would be better)</p><p>keep in mind it's not just pvp, it's a goal target, the flag always must be targeted, how people are supposed to get it back when it's just impossible ? it's an exploit.</p><p>(i agree floa is part of pvp, but dont forget battleground are not just pvp. It's a different game with his own rule get the flag)</p>

[Dorsan]

<a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Spring-Loaded_Gnomish_Stilts" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Spring-Lo..._Gnomish_Stilts</a>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>yes it's well know you can change armor while fighting <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Dorsan]

How are you fighting if you can't reach them? Kill the ones you are fighting then switch the boots just before the jump and switch it back while in mid air. As soon as you land knock the fae down or kill it or do whatever it takes. Yes, terrain gives an advantage but it is counterable, so by no means an exploit. Requests to address this are just further limiting our choices in strategy and reducing the gameplay to mindless button mashing.

[bRz]

<p>I have never had a problem with an Ice comet , storming tempest or both , knocking them down. Get creative , its a huge part of pvp.</p>

[Dareena]

<p>Whenever I'm about to storm an enemy base, I slap on my Harvester glide cloak and my Gnomish Stilts.  Yet I also have a mass gear switch macro on my hot bar.  It's set to equip all of my PvP gear, which includes my Cloak and Feet slots.  So with the simple hit of 1 button, you can instantly go into full PvP offense the moment you reach your target.  Also if you can close enough with jumping and gliding, you can knock those fae off the the base roof structure with knock downs as you blur by.</p><p>You can gear switch as you land, so it's a very viable solution.  I'll even spring glide while stealthed for an extra surprise.  It's surprising just how often that tactic works.</p>

[Krinta]

<p>This has been known since Ganak came out, and meny people know how to get up there. Talk with your tinker friend ask them how to float. Also as it has been said time and time again, use pets. The person with the flag has to pick to attack it or run. Both ways they have to move. Attacking it would slow them down. And runing means they have to come down.</p><p>The fae ability to float is not just for them ever character in the game with a few silver can do so. And most know how too thanks to instances.</p><p>And if you think a melee class can't get too some one, try an assassin or monk/bruiser they are all able to get up to a player very easy. Same with crusaders I belive. All of them classes have a teleport to target ability.</p><p>With all the different ways to get up there and all the ranged dps that can be done. If you are having trouble getting a solo fae kill who 99% of the time wont have a healer... well you need to work on things more.</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>fact people know this from long dont mean it's not an exploit <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>fact there is several way to deal with dont mean it's not an exploit too <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>exemple in klak people was able to get relic in team base, there is several way to opponent to get there. Always possible to port to player or port player to us, but that dont mean it's not an exploit</p><p>I have done more than 200 ganak (i got more than 500 of each kind of token) and the fact is often a fae play hide alone with the flag, and more than often opponant cant do anything,</p><p>like someone say easy kill the guy and change boot, yes... 12 opponent and you are at there spawn, they sure will wait you change boot, and sometime it's just totaly impossible to kill someone <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I done it as dirge and warden, and be sure kill a warden is not an easy task <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i often last 5 min against 4 (or more) average player.</p><p>The fact is the flag is out of range and the 11 other player can just focus on kills, no need to protect the flag. Just burst dps. So in this it's pervert the maps, it's not anymore a capture the flag, it's just a free for all kills.</p><p>And other fact dont forget it's all pic up maps, so you can be in team where there is no range player, or no healer, you have all wrong it's not always possible to range the fight <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>In your answere you forgot one key, the most important : battleground is a feature with pve player too, and be sure pve player see the goal (capture the flag) befor the pvp, and in this it's an exploit.</p><p>if it was so easy to shoot a player who stay hide up to unreserchable wall then why they do it more and more and they are almost never killed ? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Davngr1]

<p>i disagree with this and would actually like more technical maps to be added to change up the flavor of the play style.</p> <p>  you can't always go in with a pre fabricated group and just mindless press buttons sometimes you need to use strategy to become more efficient.   that's how it stays fun other wise it will become a snoozzfest.</p>

[Trynt]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>the fact is often a fae play hide alone with the flag, and more than often opponant <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">cant do anything</span>, don't organize a counter-attack.</blockquote><p>Fixed.</p><p>The game shouldn't try to "fix" what the players already have multiple solutions for.</p><p>If people choose not to work together, that's something they need to learn how to deal with for themselves.  SoE can't force people to use the tools that they already have.</p>

[Krinta]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>fact people know this from long dont mean it's not an exploit <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #993300;">Sony also knows, and they have not stopped players from getting to the top of the ganak flag site.</span></p><p>fact there is several way to deal with dont mean it's not an exploit too <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #993300;">When a number of ways to counter something is given, it is not an exploit. Saying it is not easy for you to kill some one just means your lazy sorry.</span></p><p>exemple in klak people was able to get relic in team base, there is several way to opponent to get there. Always possible to port to player or port player to us, but that dont mean it's not an exploit</p><p><span style="color: #993300;">Sony also removed this ability in a patch as well as taking the ganak flag to the respawn point there. Read patch notes befor saying such things please.</span></p><p>I have done more than 200 ganak (i got more than 500 of each kind of token) and the fact is often a fae play hide alone with the flag, and more than often opponant cant do anything,</p><p><span style="color: #993300;">Fae are not the only one who do such things. I offen see monks and other classes doing this. Other races also have floating abilities. Dark elf and High elf I belive.</span></p><p>like someone say easy kill the guy and change boot, yes... 12 opponent and you are at there spawn, they sure will wait you change boot, and sometime it's just totaly impossible to kill someone <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> I done it as dirge and warden, and be sure kill a warden is not an easy task <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> i often last 5 min against 4 (or more) average player.</p><p><span style="color: #993300;">No killing a warden is not easy thats why you take help.</span></p><p>The fact is the flag is out of range and the 11 other player can just focus on kills, no need to protect the flag. Just burst dps. So in this it's pervert the maps, it's not anymore a capture the flag, it's just a free for all kills.</p><p><span style="color: #993300;">If all of there team is attacking would it not be wise to send 2-3 players to attack the flag holder who is alone and unguarded? Even if you have one person sit in back just to catch them if they jump or get knocked down. It is very easy with some type of team work.</span></p><p>And other fact dont forget it's all pic up maps, so you can be in team where there is no range player, or no healer, you have all wrong it's not always possible to range the fight <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p> <span style="color: #993300;">You can join as a group and bring a healer and ranged dps. Sony has given us this ability so we can work on team work in a new play syle.</span></p><p>In your answere you forgot one key, the most important : battleground is a feature with pve player too, and be sure pve player see the goal (capture the flag) befor the pvp, and in this it's an exploit.</p><p><span style="color: #993300;">Not sure what your getting at here... sorry..</span></p><p>if it was so easy to shoot a player who stay hide up to unreserchable wall then why they do it more and more and they are almost never killed ? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #993300;">That is an easy one. Players know how to get up there alone and quickly, They know that it will take team work of the other team to get them to come down. They also know that meny players dont know the first thing about team work and cry exploit right away and then give up. Making there team have an easyer time.</span></p></blockquote><p>In the end it comes down to letting your team know were the flag is, and working together to get it back. It is not easy yes that is true. But it is able to be done. Just for the fact that you can not rush in alone with out talking too anyone or doing anything but smash buttons does not make it an exploit.</p><p>Meny players are new to PvP and so when a few people with skill on how to work the land do something that is a little hard people will yell.</p><p>Sony know's of this and have not done anything about it. Meaning two things..</p><p>One: They dont care and want to make people yell and post countless topics on forums... OR..</p><p>Two: They have seen it (Just like taking the flag to the respawn points... that got fixed) and they belive this is not an exploit.</p><p>Sony made the Ganak map with the ability to get around the top of the walls. If they did not want you too they would fix it. But they are giving players options on how to play there game.</p><p>Also... If you are having it that bad at killing one player with the flag... then dont keep all of your team set up to kill anyone who enters your base. You will win 75% of the time by points alone.</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Or if you really want people go on top of the wall (flag spot) then do a path than everyone can use, atm it's an exploit, only fae can be there, and it's just impossible for melee class and some class to range the fae, when the only thing fae have to do is step back and be out of see, you have to do go outside for be able to see target again, and fae just have to move little and again out of see. while snare root, run speed and all kind of thing, yes i hate striffle stun fear, but they are part of the game they dont put you in upper wall where no one can hit you more than once. everyone have them so it's part of the game, floating and be hide on upper structure where no one can hit you, it's an exploit. 1 :desactivate floating. 2 :create a full path allowing everyone to go there (top of wall upper to flag spot). (would be better)</p><p>keep in mind it's not just pvp, it's a goal target, the flag always must be targeted, how people are supposed to get it back when it's just impossible ? it's an exploit.</p><p>(i agree floa is part of pvp, but dont forget battleground are not just pvp. It's a different game with his own rule get the flag)</p></blockquote><p>This whole post is a FAIL..... they did give everyone the chance to get on the wall...... they are called jumpin boots...... they can out with tinkering so you guys either are just whining to whine.... or you are too poor to affored like 5g boot (everfrost price). these are lvl 1 boots too so anyone can use them..... i have been doing this too kill flag holders with my iksar and gnome all the time. <strong>STOP WHINING ANYONE CAN GET ON THE WALL</strong></p>

[Avirodar]

<p>It all comes down to a simple question that no player has the ability to answer. Only devs can, most particularly the dev[s] who made the Ganak map.Was it intended for players to be able to access the places described by the OP, on the Ganak map? Namely the areas up on the aqua duct and above the team bases?- If yes, then thats the way it is intended. People have to learn to adapt.- If not, is it something the Dev[s] do not desire, and intend to change? Or do they not see it as a problem regardless?If changes have already been made (based on a prior post), that causes a player to sometimes drop the flag when attempting to access certain parts of the map, I'd be more included to put my money on the Devs going with the 2nd option, but who knows...I am against gnomish stilts and fae glide being deactivated. I would prefer SOE implement "invisible barriers" that prevent accessing problem areas, long before disabling such abilities.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>Just lock the flag bearer into combat speeds.  I don't believe its possible to get the velocity required to reach these spots with glide if you're stuck in combat.  Atleast I can't replicate it without out of combat speeds.</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>Also it is a good idea to have parachutes macro'd so when you lick on jumpy boots you can get extra hang time if your not a fae.  Parachutes are also great for jumping off center tower and gliding over the bridges to the far sides of the map too.   PVP combat breaks fast so if you need to break combat to perform an action just auto attk off - wait the requisite time and macro - jump/glide/ macro fight.  floaty cloaks can be found easily in EH 4th floor off trash - they typically drop like candey and that content is super easy for anyone to get through these days to aquire that cloak - their are other items avail from other venues too.</p>

[Badmotorfinger]

<p>There are SO many ways to counter this move, and a lot of classes that can take care of the problem with very little effort.   As a Conji all I need to do is send my pet in... translocate... and cast Earthquake (knockback).</p><p>If you can't get a guy down from up there, you're doing it wrong.</p>

[Chanson]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's boring to see all ganak last always 20 min because a stupid fae always go top to unresearchable point top of wall or upper aqueduc above team rez spot.</p><p>It's exactly same exploit than in klak anon when we was able to keep relic in base where opponant cant go.</p></blockquote><p>What point is reachable only by fae? I've seen every race of toon up there, as well as my dark elf and barbarian.</p>

[Deathlilly]

<p>I am one of these Fae that spend quite a bit of time up above my flag spot, holding the enemies flag waiting for my team to get our flag back. and I can tell you i can be knocked down or killed any number of ways.</p><p>its not an "exploit" if anyone can do it. being on the upper aquducts was an exploit and thats why that was fixed. you could not be accuratly targeted.</p><p>being above the flag makes it more challenging to drop the flag carrier there is no doubt. but I am suprised how often no one or perhaps just one or two try and get the flag back. when there is a team effort to come get it I am usually dead within seconds.</p><p>bring a team folks, work together. thats what the BG's are about not just doing your own thing</p>

[MalicorDraven]

<p>Put aside whether its an exploit or not, (I happen to believe it is), you have to admit its a rather cheap way to win.</p>

[Tehom]

<p>Personally, I typically find it's easier to kill someone who's standing all alone on top their base than someone who's surrounded by 5-6 other members of their team. A solid dps class is a lot less likely to be taunt locked or otherwise impeded while you gank them. This becomes a lot less true with increasing survivability though - a good warden or cleric is really difficult to kill even completely alone, and will become even moreso in the new season.</p>

[Dreadpatch]

I think sitting in those spots is pretty lame, exploit or not. I think most people would agree (cept for fae or tinkerers) that's it's lame. Stop being lame and play the BG game, there is nothing fun about a couple of noobs sitting in a near impossible spot to reach with the flag. And not all toons/classes have the ability to knock them out of these positions FACT. I hate it when a toon on my team does it just as much as the other team FACT. Go play Halo if you are going to act like a kid trying to exploit the map. My 2 pence

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<p>It goes both ways.  Yeah they left it in, probably because they don't know how to fix it.  Or it is supposed to be there.  The only issue I have with it, is the fact that I have to lose my set bonus and all the stats my boots have to put on my tinkerer boots to get to the person there, when a fae/arasai do not have to lose anything to do it.</p><p>Some people always feel the need to cheat to win, or maybe just bend the rules to how they think they are supposed to be.  This is why hacking runs rampent in PvP in this game, because sore losers are en masse it seems.</p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>Elusion@Nektulos wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I think sitting in those spots is pretty lame, exploit or not. I think most people would agree (<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>cept for fae or tinkerers</strong></span>) that's it's lame. </blockquote><p>Glide boots are equipable by all, not only tinkerers. You can buy them for 10s - 5g depending on your server.</p>

[IV XX]

<p>*tear* for the kids that don't know how to play and want to call exploit. </p><p>Guess all Racial abilities should be disabled if glide is an exploit..  lol..</p>

[Eritius]

<p>Using racials is exploiting now? Remind me not to use Mind Over Matter next time I'm in a BG on my Necro.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p>Yes, Please get rid of floating in Ganak when you are holding the flag. It's annoying to have matches extended out to 20 minutes because of this bologna.</p>

[Supav]

<p>Tbh, Floating in pvp is crappy anyhow. For instance, a fae can just hop around in figure 8 pattern constantly and it doesn't matter if you root or stun them b/c it doesn't take effect until they land which is stoopid. at least root should stick em where they are and interrupt floating or something like that. My veiwpoint is prolly a lil scewed tho b/c i'm an assassin and having someone constantly floating around in circles and taunting me off my intended target etc is unbelievably frustrating and [Removed for Content] b/c I will hardly ever be in correct position to backstab or anything and I can't cheapshot or anything to hold them still.</p>

[IV XX]

<p>Hmmm.. isn't that considered a tactic.  Avoid letting the assasin get behind you for a backstab, assasinate, or any other devistating attack.    I do the same thing on my hafling monk.. I don't want an assasin standing behind me hitting me for large damage.  Keep them running around trying to find my back while I kill them..   what a concept. Hmmm.. Just a thought.. </p><p>Instead of calling for a nerf of a racial ability because you haven't figured out how to counter it yet. </p><p>And same thing as always.  You do not have to be a Fay or arasi to do this. Get you a floaty cloak and some spring loaded boats and guess what any race can do it..</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>IV XX wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hmmm.. isn't that considered a tactic.  Avoid letting the assasin get behind you for a backstab, assasinate, or any other devistating attack.    I do the same thing on my hafling monk.. I don't want an assasin standing behind me hitting me for large damage.  Keep them running around trying to find my back while I kill them..   what a concept. Hmmm.. Just a thought.. </p><p>Instead of calling for a nerf of a racial ability because you haven't figured out how to counter it yet. </p><p>And same thing as always.  You do not have to be a Fay or arasi to do this. Get you a floaty cloak and some spring loaded boats and guess what any race can do it..</p></blockquote><p>Assassins 3 biggest attacks aren't positional</p>

[Grumble69]

<p>I'm one of those people that will take the flag into the back corner if the other team has ours.  It doesn't require a require racial abilities. I mainly do it when my own side's healers don't know [Removed for Content] they are doing.  I still get knocked out of the corner a lot.  It's better defense than making laps through my fort.  And it's better than dying right in front of people who don't have the good sense to pick up the flag when I go down.  It mostly buys me a little bit of time in case the other team drops it.</p><p>Personally, I like taking the flag to the middle of the zone and luring people out.  And when enough people wipe, you charge their flag.  But that requires a coordinated group of folks who know how to listen.  If I don't have that, then I'll definitely take it to the corner.</p>

[NicolasKL]

<p><cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you try and get onto any of the upper structures in Ganak you automatically drop the flag (this includes the aquaducts). I have even managed to dropped the flag by jumping to close to a wall once in Ganak.</p><p>If you find someone on a structure with the flag that means that they can be hit from the ground or in some position that does not require any jumping or gliding skills. Sometimes you may need to reposition yourself so that you can hit that person, but there is always a point you can hit that person from.</p></blockquote><p>From my experience both of these things are 100% false.</p>

[Kyaaadaa]

<p><cite>NicolasKL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you try and get onto any of the upper structures in Ganak you automatically drop the flag (this includes the aquaducts). I have even managed to dropped the flag by jumping to close to a wall once in Ganak.</p><p>If you find someone on a structure with the flag that means that they can be hit from the ground or in some position that does not require any jumping or gliding skills. Sometimes you may need to reposition yourself so that you can hit that person, but there is always a point you can hit that person from.</p></blockquote><p>From my experience both of these things are 100% false.</p></blockquote><p>Well, the first might be false, I haven't seen evidence to support or condemn his claim, so I can't comment, but I do know that anywhere a player can stand on the top of the base, a 35 meter bow can hit him, let alone some of the 50 meter bows that SF have. They can be ranged by sorcerers, such as an Ice Comet or Storming Tempest to bring em down, Rift em, an Assassin can Shadow Step to them, they can be dragged down, or blinked up to, and they can be ranged CA to just kill them. Grab your local BG Fae in the party or swap your own boots/cloak and grab it.</p>

[Slaspen]

Haha, I just love going up on top of that structure killing whatever fae/toon that hold the flag there.... It is easy to get up too with the spring boots, all it takes from you is hitting space bar TWICE and you are there....

[NicolasKL]

<p><cite>Kyaaadaa@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>NicolasKL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you try and get onto any of the upper structures in Ganak you automatically drop the flag (this includes the aquaducts). I have even managed to dropped the flag by jumping to close to a wall once in Ganak.</p><p>If you find someone on a structure with the flag that means that they can be hit from the ground or in some position that does not require any jumping or gliding skills. Sometimes you may need to reposition yourself so that you can hit that person, but there is always a point you can hit that person from.</p></blockquote><p>From my experience both of these things are 100% false.</p></blockquote><p>Well, the first might be false, I haven't seen evidence to support or condemn his claim, so I can't comment, but I do know that anywhere a player can stand on the top of the base, a 35 meter bow can hit him, let alone some of the 50 meter bows that SF have. They can be ranged by sorcerers, such as an Ice Comet or Storming Tempest to bring em down, Rift em, an Assassin can Shadow Step to them, they can be dragged down, or blinked up to, and they can be ranged CA to just kill them. Grab your local BG Fae in the party or swap your own boots/cloak and grab it.</p></blockquote><p>That's not what I took his post to mean, I took it to mean theres a place you can stand (on the ground) where you can hit them AS IF they were on the ground also.  Like with PvE mobs that get messed up and you can't even see them, but you can still hit them.</p><p>That isn't the case in ganak.  Being able to hit a beserker with my shuriken and my one ranged CA isn't particularly useful, so it doesn't matter if I can hit them with ranged, I can't even kill an AFK caster with just ranged.</p><p>Yesterday I was in a ganak where it went the whole 20 minutes because a zerker stayed up there the whole time and most people couldn't get to them and the ones that could would get knocked off before you could kill them.  We had them dominated on points and kills, there was no way they were going to get their flag back, and it just made the BG take forever for no reason.  We still won, it just took 20 minutes instead of 8.</p><p>It's just a lame tactic that frequently makes ganaks take longer than it should.</p>

[NicolasKL]

<p><cite>Rotchi@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Haha, I just love going up on top of that structure killing whatever fae/toon that hold the flag there.... It is easy to get up too with the spring boots, all it takes from you is hitting space bar TWICE and you are there....</blockquote><p>If theyre in the hole in the back thats true, if theyre up on top of the sides I don't think it's that easy.</p>

[Lathain_Sarathai]

<p>beside the excessive anoying part, there is anotherone, when  someone take the flag and jump from enemy base with floating it often allow to pass on head of the opponent team who can do absolutly nothing while floating. best jump i have see put the guy almost at his base,  why not just give an racial ability with i got the flag, the guy clic on it and get the flag... would be same kind</p>

[NicolasKL]

<p><cite>bRz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have never had a problem with an Ice comet , storming tempest or both , knocking them down. Get creative , its a huge part of pvp.</p></blockquote><p>As a swashbuckler, how do I knock them down?</p>

[KolatTDSt41p]

<p><cite>NicolasKL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>bRz wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have never had a problem with an Ice comet , storming tempest or both , knocking them down. Get creative , its a huge part of pvp.</p></blockquote><p>As a swashbuckler, how do I knock them down?</p></blockquote><p><p >To be honest, it has been said so many times already. Buy or make some gnomish stilts. At most it will set you back a few coppers. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am from a PVE server and I often play my Ratonga brigand, so like the swashbuckler I don’t have any serious knock backs or range attacks. This hasn’t stopped me from getting to the flag bearer. If you don’t already have the gnomish stilts, get them. A floaty cloak also helps. You already have stealth so they won’t even see you coming. It only takes a few seconds to float over to them and as stated earlier, once you are up there, they have to choose to stay and fight or run.</p> <p >Of course once you are up there watch out for casters below, they have some spells with nasty knock backs that will blow you right off the structure.</p><p > </p> <p >A couple of facts that people must accept.</p><p > </p> <p ><ul><li>The map isn’t flat!</li><li>If you want to play PVP then you have to make sure you have all the right equipment with you.</li><li>It’s not always Fae that are sitting up on the structure, sure there racial traits make it much easier for them to do so and why shouldn’t they use their racial trait?</li></ul><div></div><div></div></p><p > </p></p>

[Darlordofthesith8969]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's boring to see all ganak last always 20 min because a stupid fae always go top to unresearchable point top of wall or upper aqueduc above team rez spot.</p><p>It's exactly same exploit than in klak anon when we was able to keep relic in base where opponant cant go.</p></blockquote><p>Find an assassin with shadow step and point them in the right direction, I've killed so many wing hopping flag holding tools it's not funny so long as I can get line of sight on them I can get to them I have a little trouble if its a tank type but I have the aa knockback and boot them off the wall to the hungry crowd below <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Lathain_Sarathai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's boring to see all ganak last always 20 min because a stupid fae always go top to unresearchable point top of wall or upper aqueduc above team rez spot.</p><p>It's exactly same exploit than in klak anon when we was able to keep relic in base where opponant cant go.</p></blockquote><p>This has already been disgused en mass in another thread when bg's came out. The aquaduct was found to be an exploit. The walls were not. This will not change. You fae or not have the ability to glide. You just need to get the tools. I think they go for 1g or so. You can afford it. Gnomish stilts ftw.</p>