Why not change where characters can transfer?

[Siskiyou]

<p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>this is not wow, if you search the general forums you will find the reason why it is not able to be done.</p>

[Siskiyou]

<p>I have read, many times.  It doesn't hurt to ask again.  And I'm sick and tired of people get their shorts in a knot just to be compared to other games.  That not-to-be-mentioned game also said for years that people were stuck in faction and could only transfer from PVP to PVE and not ever the other way. Never, ever, ever they said.</p><p>It never hurts to ask again. Most people in real life will ask periodically. Personally, I think someone who doesn't is kinda dull.</p>

[Gro]

<p>I wish they would allow it too.  I'd love to move my swashie from Naga to AB. </p><p>I'd pay a little bit of extra money to move from PvP to PvE.  I can see not moving PvE to PvP due to the leveling experience.</p>

[Carthr]

<p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up...  And even though they said that, people transfered from The Bazaar and PvP servers to PVE servers using BG's...  huh</p>

[Edavi]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>this is not wow, if you search the general forums you will find the reason why it is not able to be done.</p></blockquote><p>Its a Database issue... What a joke, EVERYTHING is a Database issue according to them.  BUT when the server comes up I can log right in and go to a strange temporary zone and fight against all those people on all those other servers.  So quite frankly.. To be honest.. I do not believe them any one bit.</p><p>Lets pretend for a minute that these are all computer science majors... Figure it out.</p>

[Slaspen]

<p><cite>Edavi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>this is not wow, if you search the general forums you will find the reason why it is not able to be done.</p></blockquote><p>Its a Database issue... What a joke, EVERYTHING is a Database issue according to them.  BUT when the server comes up I can log right in and go to a strange temporary zone and fight against all those people on all those other servers.  So quite frankly.. To be honest.. I do not believe them any one bit.</p><p>Lets pretend for a minute that these are all computer science majors... Figure it out.</p></blockquote><p>I dont belive it either since there was a time you could transfer a toon from pve too pvp or vice versa inside battlegrounds (that loophole have been fixed though). But that proves too me there was not much issues with the database making the transfer....   /shrugs</p>

[SmokeJumper]

<p>We're currently investigating a lot of issues to make things friendlier for you folks. This is a decent idea, but to be honest, I'd have to ask about the technical and game balance issues involved. However, I will do so. I'm curious also.</p><p>(Btw..."WoW does it" is not a valid reason for me. We aren't WoW and don't intend to be. But good ideas are good ideas. No need to shore them up with "WoW does it". <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Yimway]

<p>The only arguement I've ever heard as why it isn't done is cause it would destroy the PVP servers.</p><p>But honestly, if giving the players the option to move off them would destroy them, that pretty much just validates that they have failed anyway.</p><p>I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, as I think there are burned out PVE players that would go the otherway as well.</p><p>Considering its possible to have both environments copy to the same test server and play in a PVE framework, what limitations technically can likely be overcome with some dev time.</p>

[DobyMT]

As long as all PvP gear was removed on the move, it wouldn't be a bad idea if it could be implemented.

[Gungo]

<p><cite>DobyMT wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>As long as all PvP gear was removed on the move, it wouldn't be a bad idea if it could be implemented.</blockquote><p>Did the people who transfered via battlegrounds loose thier pvp gear and consumables?I somehow doubt it.</p>

[Caela]

<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We're currently investigating a lot of issues to make things friendlier for you folks. This is a decent idea, but to be honest, I'd have to ask about the technical and game balance issues involved. However, I will do so. I'm curious also.</p><p>(Btw..."WoW does it" is not a valid reason for me. We aren't WoW and don't intend to be. But good ideas are good ideas. No need to shore them up with "WoW does it". <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Good to know that y'all are at least thinking about it.</p><p>I would move some character - not sure if I would move from PVP to PVE or move my PVE to PVP...</p><p>Quote:Did the people who transfered via battlegrounds loose thier pvp gear and consumables?I somehow doubt it.</p><p>What is this "transfered via battlegrounds" mean?</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>this is not wow, if you search the general forums you will find the reason why it is <strong>not able to be done.</strong></p></blockquote><p>Lol, tell that to my 2 friends who were on Oasis until BG's came out, they are now on Nagafen w/ their main, plat and everything.</p><p>There have been more from other servers as well.</p>

[Jrral]

<p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>Well, for one thing there's a fundamental difference between EQ2 and WoW: WoW doesn't have any such thing as a PvE server, they're <em>all</em> PvP. Some of them place some limits on PvP, but on all servers there's open PvP and all characters can gain the PvP gear. That's always been the basis for the main argument against allowing PvP-to-PvE transfers in EQ2: PvP players can gain gear that PvE players don't have access to, and allowing those transfers would cause game-balance problems because of the difference in power level of the gear (or, if PvP gear were removed during the transfer, would cause the opposite problem when the PvP players lost most of their gear and didn't have anything to use in it's place).</p>

[Amyas]

<p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p> WoW Devs also said they would never do that because it is extremely unfair to people that level up dealing with pvp. They lost alot of respect from the Pvp players and some of them like me left the game. If you want a PvP character suck it up and level up with pvping or play on a carebear.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p>this is not wow, if you search the general forums you will find the reason why it is <strong>not able to be done.</strong></p></blockquote><p>Lol, tell that to my 2 friends who were on Oasis until BG's came out, they are now on Nagafen w/ their main, plat and everything.</p><p>There have been more from other servers as well.</p></blockquote><p>Really? Who do they know htat would break SOE's policy?</p><li>Transfers that can be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>US to European (including UK) server transfers are now automated with the token </li></ul></li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>From PVP to PVP servers </li><li>From PVE to PVE servers </li></ul></li><li>Transfers that <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">can not</span></strong> be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVP to PVE servers </span></strong></li><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVE to PVP servers</span></strong> </li></ul></li><li>The following transfers can be performed manually by contacting customer service: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>Account to account transfers </li><li>Account to Account transfer on Live Gamer Exchange™ servers (same server only) </li><li>From PVP to Vox (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li><li>From PVE to The Bazaar (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li></ul></li><li>If your character name on the server you're moving to is taken, you'll be prompted to change your character's name. </li>

[Zoltaroth]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lol, tell that to my 2 friends who were on Oasis until BG's came out, they are now on Nagafen w/ their main, plat and everything.</p><p>There have been more from other servers as well.</p></blockquote><p>I've heard this a few times now, but no one has ever been able to point me to a case in which it actually happened.  Feel free to send me the character names of these friends and I will look into it.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p>Nobody is going to just up and out their friends that got away with that honestly, unless there was an immunity placed on those in question which made it so they couldn't be moved back, but even then, that would be up to them to trust you guys.</p>

[Priddles]

<p><cite>Amyas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Siskiyou wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I reactivated my WoW account a month ago, imagine my suprise to learn that you can now transfer PVP to PVE or PVE to PVP unrestricted. Now WoW is a huge game, and has a huge PVP structure - nearly as many PVP as PVE servers.</p><p>My question is this, if one of the largest MMORPG games can have it this way, why not EQ2?  I spoke with yet another person today who wished to bring a character from PVE to PVP. Seems like SOE is shooting themselves in the foot by not making even this type of concession. If people are able to go where they want, then that is one less reason for them to be frustrated.</p></blockquote><p> WoW Devs also said they would never do that because it is extremely unfair to people that level up dealing with pvp. They lost alot of respect from the Pvp players and some of them like me left the game. If you want a PvP character suck it up and level up with pvping or play on a carebear.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, have fun playing on a dying server as not enough people to join to replace those that quit while you cling on to whatever you view as "fairness".</p><p>Personally, I'd be more concerned with quality of play as opposed to be concerned with how people leveled up and silly and petty pride issues.</p>

[feldon30]

Yeah if people HAVE transferred from PvP to PvE or vice versa, no doubt they are laying low.

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>feldon30 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Yeah if people HAVE transferred from PvP to PvE or vice versa, no doubt they are laying low.</blockquote><p>Suspect now that it has been general knowledge there will be a investigation of what occurred and how it occurred. Do not think they will be laying low for to much longer</p>

[SirDinadan]

<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p>

[Hene]

<p><cite>Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p></blockquote><p>This is true.  But in the process it is <em>very unlikely</em>, but none-the-less possible, to experience problems when doing so. I'm sure it is because the PVE databases lack some columns/fields that the PVP databases contain, and maybe visa versa.  Since SOE probably did not intend to ever let PVE transfer to PVP and visa versa, there are plenty of 'safety features' that could prevent these problems from happening that were neglected (most likely problems with some of the blank or overlapped columns/fields not being copy-pasted properly).</p>

[Costa]

<p>Sorry but i'm against this idea. Leveling up on a PvP server is much harder than on PvE so by allowing people who are bored of their PvE lifestyle to transfer to our server because SoE can make a quick $ out of it is an insult to the PvP player base.</p><p>There are issues with player numbers on our server and hopefully the proposed changes that are coming along will help to re-stimulate that but i don't think the player transfer is the way to go. The lack of risk for reward in fame, lack of open world content in higher levels to encourage open pvp and of course the introduction of BG's for fast, easy gearing up for PvP have all added to a diminishing number of people.</p><p>If people want to play on another type of server then they should have to start again from scratch and lets face it within a few days of hard grind or a few weeks of a steadier grind you can get to end game or what ever level you choose.</p><p>Personally i think the proposed changes that are coming in for open world pvp will be more encouraging to new players to the server as it will allow you to level lock again to grind aa, aquire pvp tokens that are useable through all tiers, have the battlefields to farm for tokens and get involved in mass pvp battles (lvl 30+) and allow people to learn how play a character in pvp from the very start, not playing it at end game in a closed arena and feel they are ready for the open world challanges.</p>

[MadHatter1]

<p><cite>SmokeJumper wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We're currently investigating a lot of issues to make things friendlier for you folks. This is a decent idea, but to be honest, I'd have to ask about the technical and game balance issues involved. However, I will do so. I'm curious also.</p><p>(Btw..."WoW does it" is not a valid reason for me. We aren't WoW and don't intend to be. But good ideas are good ideas. No need to shore them up with "WoW does it". <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Not to stir the pot, and seriously, no disrespect intended, but the "btw..." made me LOL.  EQ2 is now closer to being a WoW  clone than ever before.  Where do you think the battlegrounds came from?  It certainly wasn't an EQ2 original idea...they are blatant ripoffs of WoW's battlegrounds.  I'm not necessarily saying this is bad, because I really tend to enjoy the bg's.  I think they've infused a breath of freash air into a stagnating game.  So to say, ""Wow does it" is not a valid reason" is just too funny seeing that there are several things that WoW has done and EQ2 has jumped onto the same bandwagon in short order.</p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p></blockquote><p>that isn't a transfer that is a copy of your toon. you still have your toon on your live server.</p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>Hene wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p></blockquote><p>This is true.  But in the process it is <em>very unlikely</em>, but none-the-less possible, to experience problems when doing so. I'm sure it is because the PVE databases lack some columns/fields that the PVP databases contain, and maybe visa versa.  Since SOE probably did not intend to ever let PVE transfer to PVP and visa versa, there are plenty of 'safety features' that could prevent these problems from happening that were neglected (most likely problems with some of the blank or overlapped columns/fields not being copy-pasted properly).</p></blockquote><p>Folks it isn't a Transfer it is a <strong>Copy </strong>You still have your toon on the live server.</p>

[SirDinadan]

<p><cite>Hene wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p></blockquote><p>This is true.  But in the process it is <em>very unlikely</em>, but none-the-less possible, to experience problems when doing so. I'm sure it is because the PVE databases lack some columns/fields that the PVP databases contain, and maybe visa versa.  Since SOE probably did not intend to ever let PVE transfer to PVP and visa versa, there are plenty of 'safety features' that could prevent these problems from happening that were neglected (most likely problems with some of the blank or overlapped columns/fields not being copy-pasted properly).</p></blockquote><p>You're saying there may be bugs in EQ2?  No way!</p><p>The point is.. the current environment allows a PvE-levelled and PvE-geared character to be copied, without alteration, into a PvP-flagged server.  Not only that, but my experience has been that the developers would love for many <strong>more</strong> people to use Test_Copy under PvP conditions for test purposes, and can rarely get the population to actually test new PvP changes.</p><p>But arguing that it can't be done is moot.  It has been done.  It is being done as we speak.</p>

[Hene]

<p><cite>Alenna@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hene wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grayven@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah.. "Supposedly" it couldn't be done.. It would create some nexus in their system and would cause the world to blow up... </p></blockquote><p>You can transfer a PvE character to Test_Copy, which was (is?) PvP flagged.  I think the discussion is less about whether it's possible to implement, and more on deciding how much Station Cash to eventually charge for it.</p></blockquote><p>This is true.  But in the process it is <em>very unlikely</em>, but none-the-less possible, to experience problems when doing so. I'm sure it is because the PVE databases lack some columns/fields that the PVP databases contain, and maybe visa versa.  Since SOE probably did not intend to ever let PVE transfer to PVP and visa versa, there are plenty of 'safety features' that could prevent these problems from happening that were neglected (most likely problems with some of the blank or overlapped columns/fields not being copy-pasted properly).</p></blockquote><p>Folks it isn't a Transfer it is a <strong>Copy </strong>You still have your toon on the live server.</p></blockquote><p>And that matters how? It is the <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><em>same exact concept when it comes to the mechanics of things</em></strong></span>, except in one case your toon stays on the original server and in the other case it is deleted</p>

[Sigtyr]

<p>Allow people to transfer their toons to Vox, maybe with a reasonable deduction in level or  # AP. That is an easy way to solve the population problem of Vox too.</p><p>I rolled a toon on Naggy and I am having a blast at the moment so it is not that bad as you can PvP from level 10.</p>

[kelesia]

<p>I like many others remember a few years ago when people from test were moved to a live server.  It was possible then, and is possible now, as many have pointed out that to test copy is fine.  And more importantly, the copies to battlegrounds work mostly fine as well.  So it can and has been done.  So the code changes that prevented this from occuring either are not a big deal or are non-existant anymore. And honestly, from an IT standpoint, maintaining entirely seperate builds for a special server is inefficient.</p><p>Just my 2 cents as I bite my tongue to not reply in the SC thread <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Bring on the transfers and open up the borders!  </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">The excuse of "not fair!" was valid back at server launch in 2006 to prevent fully developed characters from dominating a new server, but now it is a non-issue.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Pharaoh, let my people pvp!</span></p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p>Look at my sig, You can level on PvP servers without almost any PvP the whole time.</p>

[Carthr]

<p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Really? Who do they know htat would break SOE's policy?</p><li>Transfers that can be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>US to European (including UK) server transfers are now automated with the token </li></ul></li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>From PVP to PVP servers </li><li>From PVE to PVE servers </li></ul></li><li>Transfers that <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">can not</span></strong> be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVP to PVE servers </span></strong></li><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVE to PVP servers</span></strong> </li></ul></li><li>The following transfers can be performed manually by contacting customer service: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>Account to account transfers </li><li>Account to Account transfer on Live Gamer Exchange™ servers (same server only) </li><li>From PVP to Vox (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li><li>From PVE to The Bazaar (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li></ul></li><li>If your character name on the server you're moving to is taken, you'll be prompted to change your character's name. </li></blockquote><p>You don't get it.. These people bought a transfer token, went into BG's, and used the transfer token, and went from the Bazaar, PvP, PvE server to their restricted server transfer type.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Really? Who do they know htat would break SOE's policy?</p><li>Transfers that can be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>US to European (including UK) server transfers are now automated with the token </li></ul></li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>From PVP to PVP servers </li><li>From PVE to PVE servers </li></ul></li><li>Transfers that <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">can not</span></strong> be performed: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVP to PVE servers </span></strong></li><li><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">From PVE to PVP servers</span></strong> </li></ul></li><li>The following transfers can be performed manually by contacting customer service: </li><li style="list-style-type: none;"><ul><li>Account to account transfers </li><li>Account to Account transfer on Live Gamer Exchange™ servers (same server only) </li><li>From PVP to Vox (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li><li>From PVE to The Bazaar (Live Gamer Exchange™) </li></ul></li><li>If your character name on the server you're moving to is taken, you'll be prompted to change your character's name. </li></blockquote><p>You don't get it.. These people bought a transfer token, went into BG's, and used the transfer token, and went from the Bazaar, PvP, PvE server to their restricted server transfer type.</p></blockquote><p>So what you are saying is they eploited to do it, glad that a SOE developer - <span ><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=243899"><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Zoltaroth</span></span></strong></a> is aware of it now and can pass it up the chain of command. we needed BG's for what - another method to exploit?</span></p>

[Zoltaroth]

<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You don't get it.. These people bought a transfer token, went into BG's, and used the transfer token, and went from the Bazaar, PvP, PvE server to their restricted server transfer type.</p></blockquote><p>Went through the logs again (all the CTS / BG movements are logged heavily) and I think your friends are pulling your leg.</p>

[Loendar]

<p>If they are friends of the people that did it those friends now have their toons on a server that they shouldn't be on - wouldn't that prove to be a 'not pulling the leg' thing?</p><p>Now - granted - they could have made a whole new toon with the same name on the other server but then wouldn't EQ2Players still show their original toons on the original server?  Unless they are restricting that - in which case the 'friends' should unrestrict to prove it. ;p</p>

[gauged]

<p><cite>Zoltaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Lol, tell that to my 2 friends who were on Oasis until BG's came out, they are now on Nagafen w/ their main, plat and everything.</p><p>There have been more from other servers as well.</p></blockquote><p>I've heard this a few times now, but no one has ever been able to point me to a case in which it actually happened.  Feel free to send me the character names of these friends and I will look into it.</p></blockquote><p>The player Ripe from Nagafen worked for SoE and managed to move a toon named Qwasix from pve to pvp years ago.  No one ever made an issue of it until members of an opposing-faction guild spammed petitions about it, and the toon disappeared.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Bazill@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>Sorry but i'm against this idea. Leveling up on a PvP server is much harder than on PvE so by allowing people who are bored of their PvE lifestyle to transfer to our server because SoE can make a quick $ out of it is an insult to the PvP player base.</strong></p><p>There are issues with player numbers on our server and hopefully the proposed changes that are coming along will help to re-stimulate that but i don't think the player transfer is the way to go. The lack of risk for reward in fame, lack of open world content in higher levels to encourage open pvp and of course the introduction of BG's for fast, easy gearing up for PvP have all added to a diminishing number of people.</p><p><strong>If people want to play on another type of server then they should have to start again from scratch and lets face it within a few days of hard grind or a few weeks of a steadier grind you can get to end game or what ever level you choose.</strong></p><p><strong>Personally i think the proposed changes that are coming in for open world pvp will be more encouraging to new players to the server as it will allow you to level lock again</strong> to grind aa, aquire pvp tokens that are useable through all tiers, have the battlefields to farm for tokens and get involved in mass pvp battles (lvl 30+) and allow people to learn how play a character in pvp from the very start, not playing it at end game in a closed arena and feel they are ready for the open world challanges.</p></blockquote><p>  I would buy that if this game was like Aion where its actually impossible to avoid pvp while going from 1-50</p><p>  But in eq2 you can go from lvl 1-90 without ever having to see or engage pvp on Nagafen, the reason why most people such as myself are not interested in starting from lvl 1 with nothing?  Well because lvl 1 with nothing sucks, it sucks alot and its not worth it for a game with a no risk equal rewards ruleset where there is little to no pvp actually happening there right now.</p><p>  Seriously though lol at thinking going from lvl 1-cap is anything but tedious, Im very impressed with your ability to kill goblins in the same instances that pve servers have and Im equally impressed with Nagafens ability to deal with being ganked, luckily "or rather unluckily" there is no loss in eq2 pvp so ganking is basically just done solely for griefing "which is fun for some players" but its not worth it for the underdog who will have to level up, make new friends. get gear and/or raid, so you can start to be close to an even footing gear wise and you can begin to start playing the no risk/no loss ruleset that probably wont even be enjoyable for most players after a weeks worth of gameplay</p><p>  How do you possibly think level locking will bring back new or old players?  If anything it will do the opposite, you think theres a bunch of new players saying to themselves "Gee I was not interested in Nagafen a week ago, but now that everyone can level lock and continue to buy the best possible gear for their lvl 14-30 character that now I really wanna join it so I can completely avoid pvp until lvl 90 due to the now growing gear differential" cause I do not buy it.</p><p>  So either make winning and losing mean something "lol@titles" or get more players there now before its too late</p>

[gauged]

<p>This is not a bump. Nor am I questioning forum mod's decisions...</p><p>-Alrighty... let's see how long until this is deleted.</p>

[Kiara]

<p>It was a bump and it's against the rules.</p><p>Doing it after being told not to and why = Thread lock <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>