Spawn camping has reared it ugly head in BG Smugglers Den

[Darlordofthesith8969]

<p>This needs to be addressed asap, guild raid groups in the x4 zone are spawn camping base revive areas now, nice one </p>

[Corydonn]

<p>Don't revive there.</p>

[Killque]

<p>There are several revive points correct? You could coordinate which place to revive, thus negating exactly what you are talking about, right?</p>

[Ralpmet]

<p>When it becomes your only revive option it's a terrible situation.</p><p>However, since at that point they have all the towers and are eating your team alive it's safe to say the game will be over shortly. Not really fair, but not really a problem either. The source of this problem is that x4 guild raid force going in vs a pug.</p>

[Darlordofthesith8969]

<p><cite>Ralpmet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>When it becomes your only revive option it's a terrible situation.</p><p>However, since at that point they have all the towers and are eating your team alive it's safe to say the game will be over shortly. Not really fair, but not really a problem either. The source of this problem is that x4 guild raid force going in vs a pug.</p></blockquote><p>The smugglers den lastnight for me wasn't a pug raid it was a  2 guilds from guk, I would expect this type of crap from alot of naggie players. I also did 4 den instance before I got sick of it happening, so I can see it become a problem and people not want to doing smugglers den.</p>

[Eritius]

<p>Premade vs Pickup  has been there since WoW introduced their Battlegrounds many many years ago. It didn't get changed there, and I highly doubt it will get changed here. I think we all agree that a team that is better prepared should do better then one that is not.</p><p>It is fair that a premade can devastate your pickup group. The reason it is fair is that you can make your own premade. For those looking to get into a quick match without the hassle of building a 24 man premade, joining by yourself will get what you want. A quick and dirty match, especially if your oppoenent is a premade. It WILL be quick and dirty.</p><p>The reason why you won't see them placed in their own queues is because their queue timers would be astronomical. Alot would just say they can just queue up singlely. Well then you're taking the fun away from a group of players that like to play together. Why would you take that away from someone for your personal enjoyment?</p><p>Right now the ball is in your court. You have a choice you can make before you queue up. Going in solo might just be as a bad idea as deciding to go in with treasured gear. At least with the BG, you might not fight another premade all the time. Just don't whine about it when your caught with your pants down against a premade when you go in solo.</p>

[Alima_Tunare]

<p>Whatya do though?  Because the goal of this "pvp" is to get a reward, you want it fast, and we do want the reward.  In all the time Ive played pvp I never camped a spawn until recently...and then only because I try to stay with my group and thats where they went.  Most the time I will just stand back and let them do it, watching for the strays around the area.  And every time it happens I feel dirty and disgusted with BG.  Shooting fish in a barrel is NOT fishing.  I know in todays game things have changed, but for me, there is still honor and respect in pvp....probably why Im dead a lot.  I have 10 characters in "that other game" and they all have titles, which means way more than 10,000 kills per char (only played for 6 months cuz I needed to focus on raiding in EQ2) and I never once killed a guy just getting rezzed, the lvl 5 quester (I know they grow up to be killers but I want a real opponent) and never ever killed anyone at a spawn point. </p><p>All that blah blah being said, I sorta dig reviving over and over at spawn point when theyre there.  Its pretty much the only challenge for me as a coercer.  Its live or die!  And because we have reward involved, it makes the match go faster for the highly skilled barrel fishers.</p>

[FrostDragon]

<p>I dont mind someone at my spawn point except you respawn with the buffs you died with.  as a Dirge having all my self buffs stripped then killed then respawning basiclly naked with the time to recast my most basic buffs I am dropped before I can recast or run.  Its not like my class base avoidance was equal to the other scout classes</p>

[skidmark]

<p>I find that some of the most arrogant and annoying players come from non-PvP. Was in a ganak with a raid from crushbone on my team, they were insufferable.</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<p>When the other team is dominating you so severely that they have taken every tower, and the only option for you is to respawn at your base... what, in your opinion, is the appropriate bahavior for the other team to display?</p><p>Should they split up and, in a sportsman-like manner "give you a chance" at taking a tower? </p><p>Should they all congregate on your base tower so you can choose to fly away and try to get another tower, or shoot for the middle?</p><p>Come on.</p><p>The most effective strategy once you have dominated the other team (by taking all the towers) is to invade their only spawn option and continue to decimate them.  THAT'S THE GAME.  This isn't open world PvP where the object is simply to kill the person, which makes spawn camping distasteful.  In Smugglers, one of your goals is to protect the towers you've turned, and controling the other team's only revive point is the ultimate embodiment of that goal.</p><p>Try this, when you're screen is loading your character, press your run key.  You'll come into the world a ways away from the spawn point, and if you have any wherewithall, you will most likely be able to get to the flying disc.</p><p>But, ultimately, that's a lost cause.  If you've reached the point where the other team is spawn camping you, and you have no other revive options, the game is essentially over.  You're severely outmatched.   The more you die, the quicker it will go.  Breathe deep and accept the loss.</p>

[Eritius]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>When the other team is dominating you so severely that they have taken every tower, and the only option for you is to respawn at your base... what, in your opinion, is the appropriate bahavior for the other team to display?</p><p>Should they split up and, in a sportsman-like manner "give you a chance" at taking a tower? </p><p>Should they all congregate on your base tower so you can choose to fly away and try to get another tower, or shoot for the middle?</p><p>Come on.</p><p>The most effective strategy once you have dominated the other team (by taking all the towers) is to invade their only spawn option and continue to decimate them.  THAT'S THE GAME.  This isn't open world PvP where the object is simply to kill the person, which makes spawn camping distasteful.  In Smugglers, one of your goals is to protect the towers you've turned, and controling the other team's only revive point is the ultimate embodiment of that goal.</p><p>Try this, when you're screen is loading your character, press your run key.  You'll come into the world a ways away from the spawn point, and if you have any wherewithall, you will most likely be able to get to the flying disc.</p><p>But, ultimately, that's a lost cause.  If you've reached the point where the other team is spawn camping you, and you have no other revive options, the game is essentially over.  You're severely outmatched.   The more you die, the quicker it will go.  Breathe deep and accept the loss.</p></blockquote><p>This was the case with Arathi Basin and Eye of the Storm in WoW. If you got beaten back so far that you would spawn then die, then you were outplayed from the get go. Next time don't let it happen. If it was a premade that did it to you, hope you don't get a premade next time (pretty easy, you don't do anything, let your superior being sort it out), or get your own premade and roll over the competition.</p>

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

<p><cite>Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The reason why you won't see them placed in their own queues is because their queue timers would be astronomical. Alot would just say they can just queue up singlely. Well then you're taking the fun away from a group of players that like to play together. Why would you take that away from someone for your personal enjoyment?</p></blockquote><p>But - following that line of logic - when that group of players is taking the fun away from <em>everyone</em> who queues solo, who matters most?</p><p>I think what's at the heart of it is that the system copies WoW, but doesn't have the same playerbase by orders of magnitude. I think typically 1-2 smugglers are running during peak times so one organised raid can repeatedly ruin any chance of a balanced game for extended periods of time.</p>

[AziBam]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>When the other team is dominating you so severely that they have taken every tower, and the only option for you is to respawn at your base... what, in your opinion, is the appropriate bahavior for the other team to display?</p><p>Should they split up and, in a sportsman-like manner "give you a chance" at taking a tower? </p><p>Should they all congregate on your base tower so you can choose to fly away and try to get another tower, or shoot for the middle?</p><p>Come on.</p><p>The most effective strategy once you have dominated the other team (by taking all the towers) is to invade their only spawn option and continue to decimate them.  THAT'S THE GAME.  This isn't open world PvP where the object is simply to kill the person, which makes spawn camping distasteful.  In Smugglers, one of your goals is to protect the towers you've turned, and controling the other team's only revive point is the ultimate embodiment of that goal.</p><p>Try this, when you're screen is loading your character, press your run key.  You'll come into the world a ways away from the spawn point, and if you have any wherewithall, you will most likely be able to get to the flying disc.</p><p>But, ultimately, that's a lost cause.  If you've reached the point where the other team is spawn camping you, and you have no other revive options, the game is essentially over.  You're severely outmatched.   The more you die, the quicker it will go.  Breathe deep and accept the loss.</p></blockquote><p>I have to agree with this.  In fact, the one good piece of news is that with the other team controlling all the towers AND wiping opposing players at their spawn...that match is going to be over in a hurry.  Take the quick single token and move on to the next one. </p><p>I haven't been in this situation (either side) myself but I can't really fault the behavior.  One team has just won, resoundingly!  There can't be too many occasions that the entire opposing force is wiped at once.  If they are controlling everything plus spawn camping it would seem they'd have to be pretty thinly spread on at least some of the towers.  Try to capture one of the weakly guarded ones back.  Create a second revive point.  You'll still lose the match in all likelihood but it's something to do.  /shrug</p>