Confronting the Godslayer rewards still sub-par -- Any love? :)

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p>With the rewards from both the Mega-collection and Dartain's Signature quest seeing some improvement on Test, would it be possible to give the same amount of love to the rewards from the raid Signature quest series (In Search of Lucan --> Whispers from the Past --> Confronting the Godslayer)?</p><p>As far as charms go, there seems to be a significant lack of anything worthwhile in this expansion, with the exception of the charms from the x2 Vigilant zone.</p><p>At the very least, given the length of the quest, and the mobs necessary for its completion, the rewards should be given resists as well as an effect/proc since -- currently -- they're far, far worse than T8 charms (Miragul's, Avatar, or the Flawless charms come to mind, all of which are preferable). 5 mount speed really should not be counted at all as a blue stat since it's for flavor only.</p><p>D.</p>

[Kunaak]

<p>strangely - this is one time where I just dont see it.</p><p>the scout one has 10 crit, 3 crit bonus - 3 potency, and good stats. thats alot of crit for 1 item, and that frees up my MMB charm and cloak set - which means this charm replaces 2 items, and allows me the freedom to choose a new cloak for whatever stats I need next.</p><p>I am all for upgrading the charm should they want to, I just dont think its anywhere near as bad as you think. proc or not, I still intend to use it to free up my MMB charm and cloak combo,.</p>

[Carthr]

<p><img src="http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2497/charmsq.jpg" width="594" height="929" /></p><p>Because the raid quest charm sucks compared to the mega collection quest that you can buy off the broker.</p>

[Kander]

<p>These charms (Confronting the Godslayer ) did get upgraded with GU 56.</p>

[Carthr]

<p>Awesome..Thanks for the fast response</p>

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p>Ok, thanks Kander <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>They were unchanged on Test as of this morning, but I guess it just hasn't been pushed yet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>D.</p>

[daray]

<p>Would it also be possible to have the quest update off Waansu (hardmode) kills, and not only off Perah'Celsis?</p>

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p><cite>daray wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Would it also be possible to have the quest update off Waansu (hardmode) kills, and not only off Perah'Celsis?</p></blockquote><p>That was actually already updated on Test earlier this week I believe.</p><p>D.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>Honestly not impressed with the upgrade to them.  The priest charm got nothing.  The mage charm got 75 more ability mod.  The fighter charm got its +skills bumped up to +10 for all.  The scout charm got 5 more DA and 75 more ability mod.</p><p>Still pretty lack-luster, imo.</p>

[Valanthe]

<p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Honestly not impressed with the upgrade to them.  The priest charm got nothing.  The mage charm got 75 more ability mod.  The fighter charm got its +skills bumped up to +10 for all.  The scout charm got 5 more DA and 75 more ability mod.</p><p>Still pretty lack-luster, imo.</p></blockquote><p>These need some sort of proc or something of that nature to be > the charms from the mega collection, whether it's an AE Proc, group Potency/Crit Bonus proc, or whatever. They just really need to be improved for raiders to want to use them.</p>

[Sedenten]

<p>What exactly did they get for upgrades?  I did note that the priest version is the exact same as it is on live, which is disheartening.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Is the mage version getting a pet focus added?</p>

[josie67]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>These charms (Confronting the Godslayer ) did get upgraded with GU 56.</p></blockquote><p>Did we forget to upgrade the priest charm?</p>

[Carthr]

<p>Guess I'll just do the mega collection, since it's WAY better..  More crit chance, same crit bonus, slightly less potency, and a proc...</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p><cite>Koinoo@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What exactly did they get for upgrades?  I did note that the priest version is the exact same as it is on live, which is disheartening.</p></blockquote><p>If you look up a post or 2 I said exactly what was added to each, and yes, the priest one appeared unchanged.</p><p>And to the person asking about pets, no, there is no pet focus on the mage one.</p>

[Sedenten]

<p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Koinoo@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What exactly did they get for upgrades?  I did note that the priest version is the exact same as it is on live, which is disheartening.</p></blockquote><p>If you look up a post or 2 I said exactly what was added to each, and yes, the priest one appeared unchanged.</p><p>And to the person asking about pets, no, there is no pet focus on the mage one.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, a bad statement on my part.  I was more asking Kander what the upgrade to the priest version was, albeit in a badly worded fashion.  I know the others received a trivial upgrade from reading your previous post, but it appears they completely left the priest version out of any of the changes.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p><cite>Koinoo@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Koinoo@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What exactly did they get for upgrades?  I did note that the priest version is the exact same as it is on live, which is disheartening.</p></blockquote><p>If you look up a post or 2 I said exactly what was added to each, and yes, the priest one appeared unchanged.</p><p>And to the person asking about pets, no, there is no pet focus on the mage one.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, a bad statement on my part.  I was more asking Kander what the upgrade to the priest version was, albeit in a badly worded fashion.  I know the others received a trivial upgrade from reading your previous post, but it appears they completely left the priest version out of any of the changes.</p></blockquote><p>I see.  Yeah, I was a little annoyed about the mage charm getting such a minor upgrade, then I saw the healers got nothing and laughed a little bit.</p><p>They definitely need a second go-around on buffing these to make them anything worth using.</p>

[Tehom]

<p>Most of the time the 'priest' rewards this expansion aren't as good as fighter, scout, or mage variants for priests to use this expansion anyway. Unless you want wisdom for leet dps, then the only things that matter are potency, crit bonus, ability mod, reuse, and procs, and the choice is usually clearly not going to be the priest reward in that case.</p>

[Kreton]

<p><cite>Chath@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Most of the time the 'priest' rewards this expansion aren't as good as fighter, scout, or mage variants for priests to use this expansion anyway. Unless you want wisdom for leet dps, then the only things that matter are potency, crit bonus, ability mod, reuse, and procs, and the choice is usually clearly not going to be the priest reward in that case.</p></blockquote><p>And this is a major problem with priest itemization.  They think priests want an item because it has more wisdom on it, when wisdom adds nothing for healing and so an items worth to a priest becomes a measure of it's blue stats and procs, with the green stats completely ignored.  And in this case, you look at the priest and mage items and they are exactly the same, except the priest has 5% cast haste where the mage one has 150 mod.  Cast haste is so abundant for priests, it's clear which is the better choice for priests between just those 2 and it's not the one that has more wisdom.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>mage item missing pet focus, not impressed.</p>

[Sydares]

<p>So... instead of +5 to all weapon skills, the scout charm is now +10.</p><p>Really?</p>

[Meows]

<p><cite>Glendora@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>These charms (Confronting the Godslayer ) did get upgraded with GU 56.</p></blockquote><p>Did we forget to upgrade the priest charm?</p></blockquote>

[Gungo]

<p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p><p></p>

[Kunaak]

<p>to say these were upgraded is somewhat misleading.</p><p>the differences is so small, its like going from your T1 BP to your T2 BP.</p><p>you know - get 5 extra agility - .1 increase to crit bonus, and 10 more mit.... its that kinda upgrade. SF has been notoriously bad about what it calls upgrades, and this another 1 of those moments.</p><p>lets just say - these charms were changed alittle, and thats about it.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p></blockquote><p>Collection rewards which can be completed by buying all the requisite items at level one on the Broker should never, ever be better than items that require killing raid mobs.</p>

[josie67]

<p><cite>Meows@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Glendora@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>These charms (Confronting the Godslayer ) did get upgraded with GU 56.</p></blockquote><p>Did we forget to upgrade the priest charm?</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>Ok, let's try this again....</p><p>1. Kander says  the charms were upgraded.</p><p>2. A few posts down someone on the test server says the priest charm is exactly the same.</p><p>3. I asked if they forgot to upgrade the priest charm.</p><p>4.  So sue me PP  =)</p>

[Meows]

<p>just looked, and the priest charm got added: 25 health, and 100 power...</p><p>now it has 300 hp, and 450 power... *sigh*</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p></blockquote><p>Collection rewards which can be completed by buying all the requisite items at level one on the Broker should never, ever be better than items that require killing raid mobs.</p></blockquote><p>Except your theory is NOT possible go to you broker and try to buy that entire collection you will not be able to no matter how much plat you got. And lets be honest this requires more plat to buy if you went that route then most people have. </p><p>The difficulty of completeing the mega collection is actually more then the difficulty of killing pera'celsis and theer. </p>

[josie67]

<p><cite>Meows@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>just looked, and the priest charm got added: 25 health, and 100 power...</p><p>now it has 300 hp, and 450 power... *sigh*</p></blockquote><p>Oh YAY US!!   Thanks devs for your support.  Just like  thanks devs for the fantastic priest raid weapons you gave us this expansion.</p>

[Korrupt]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p></blockquote><p>Collection rewards which can be completed by buying all the requisite items at level one on the Broker should never, ever be better than items that require killing raid mobs.</p></blockquote><p>Except your theory is NOT possible go to you broker and try to buy that entire collection you will not be able to no matter how much plat you got. And lets be honest this requires more plat to buy if you went that route then most people have. </p><p>The difficulty of completeing the mega collection is actually more then the difficulty of killing pera'celsis and theer. </p></blockquote><p>I'd have to disagree. If a person is not in a raiding guild then killing perah and theer is truely not possible. Buying the collection is entirely possible, just merely difficult depending on your cash flow. While killing those mobs might be easier for raiders by a long shot, in the overall scheme the collections are far more accessable.</p>

[Tehom]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p></blockquote><p>Collection rewards which can be completed by buying all the requisite items at level one on the Broker should never, ever be better than items that require killing raid mobs.</p></blockquote><p>Except your theory is NOT possible go to you broker and try to buy that entire collection you will not be able to no matter how much plat you got. And lets be honest this requires more plat to buy if you went that route then most people have. </p><p>The difficulty of completeing the mega collection is actually more then the difficulty of killing pera'celsis and theer. </p></blockquote><p>I can buy them being comparable or even being a little better. But the change to the priest charm for the mega-collection makes it arguably the best priest charm by a pretty large margin. It'd be like if they put a stoneskin proc on the fighter one.</p>

[Kunaak]

<p>as you can see - changed is about the best way to describe these.</p><p><img src="http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/336/moddedcharms.jpg" /></p>

[shadowscale]

<p>i had to look at that atleast twice to even notice the diffrence...</p><p>and mage item still needs a pet focus.</p>

[glowsintheda]

<p>Technically you would have to say improved in that they are *slightly* better then they were previously.... but +5 to all weapon skill? I mean, c'mon, really?  These should all have procs, the mage one should have a pet focus, the tank one should have... well... some sort of tanking stats, block chance or mit increase or something. </p>

[Ambrin]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For the person saying this should be better then the mega collection I completely DISAGREE.</p><p>This quest is extremely easy. Kill easy Para'celsis and easy 1 rune theer. That's it.</p></blockquote><p>Collection rewards which can be completed by buying all the requisite items at level one on the Broker should never, ever be better than items that require killing raid mobs.</p></blockquote><p>Except your theory is NOT possible go to you broker and try to buy that entire collection you will not be able to no matter how much plat you got. And lets be honest this requires more plat to buy if you went that route then most people have. </p><p>The difficulty of completeing the mega collection is actually more then the difficulty of killing pera'celsis and theer. </p></blockquote><p>I bought almost the entire collection off the broker, spending ~100 plat for a single piece on multiple occasions, although I bought the majority at around 10-50 plat. I am able to do this buy being able to farm 100-150 plat per day (more if I really focussed on it) for about an hour worth of effort.</p><p>It did take me almost a month farming like that to be able to buy the whole collection, but I did buy ~90% of the collection at a final cost of ~2000 plat.</p><p>In contrast my guild still has not managed to defeat the luck-based Perah-Celsis fight (although we have killed Theer).</p><p>In my opinion the mega charm is easier to obtain than raid charm and therefore the raid charm should be much better than the collection charm (in my opinion).</p>

[Anastasie]

<p>wow - the only change to the priest charm is more hp/power  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[josie67]

<p><cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>wow - the only change to the priest charm is more hp/power  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Thanks for not much of anything really.....gee a whole 100 extra power while the fighter/scouts go from 5%-10% DA and mages go from 75-150 ability mod AND 75 extra power.</p>

[Carthr]

<p><cite>Glendora@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Annelise@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>wow - the only change to the priest charm is more hp/power  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Thanks for not much of anything really.....gee a whole 100 extra power while the fighter/scouts go from 5%-10% DA and mages go from 75-150 ability mod AND 75 extra power.</p></blockquote><p>I wouldn't act too jealous, because those changes to the charms you listed aren't that great in comparison to the mega collection stuff...</p>

[Kegofbud]

<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wouldn't act too jealous, because those changes to the charms you listed aren't that great in comparison to the mega collection stuff...</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. All of them are pretty weak. The healer one is just more craptastic...</p>

[Carthr]

<p><cite>Choatly@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wouldn't act too jealous, because those changes to the charms you listed aren't that great in comparison to the mega collection stuff...</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. All of them are pretty weak. The healer one is just more craptastic...</p></blockquote><p>Awww man... Your horse poop smells slightly better than my horse poop! NERF  lol</p>

[thog_zork]

<p>did you forgot a pet centric effect on the mage one ?</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>thog_zork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>did you forgot a pet centric effect on the mage one ?</p></blockquote><p>guessing it was intintional. dont think they are to concernd over us pet classes keeping up with the rest of the mages.</p>

[Kegofbud]

<p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Choatly@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wouldn't act too jealous, because those changes to the charms you listed aren't that great in comparison to the mega collection stuff...</p></blockquote><p>Agreed. All of them are pretty weak. The healer one is just more craptastic...</p></blockquote><p>Awww man... Your horse poop smells slightly better than my horse poop! NERF  lol</p></blockquote><p>Poop envy!</p>

[Carthr]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>thog_zork wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>did you forgot a pet centric effect on the mage one ?</p></blockquote><p>guessing it was intintional. dont think they are to concernd over us pet classes keeping up with the rest of the mages.</p></blockquote><p>Yea, because summoners are getting spanked by enchanters  /rolleyes</p>