Testcopy PvP ANNOYING

[Khiara]

<p>Before all the pvp yelling starts let me say that YES I understand the need to test pvp junk along with other content.  That being said...a majority of the players did NOT buy the game to PvP.  Making the testcopy server PvP and FORCING PvE players to deal with the crap that comes along with it..is WRONG.  </p><p>There NEEDS to be a way to ...for lack of a better term..opt out of all the PvP drama on testcopy.  Now that the testcopy server is PvP I've also lost access to my Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow channel....as a rabid decorator this is unacceptable. </p><p>Surely there is a way to keep PvE players who love testing content on their copied toons and helping the GM's raid happy while testing PvP content.  And NO going to regular TEST is NOT an option..if I wanted to roll up another toon I'd do it on my home server where I have access to platz and high lvl crafters on my account.  </p><p>I KNOW I'm not the ONLY PvE person on testcopy who's put out about this....Devs surely there's some kind of "fix" that can be made??</p>

[Kain-UK]

<p>I'm not happy about it being PvP when I'm trying to do quests... because that's what I want to test. I don't want to test PvP mechanics.</p><p>However, most of the time, the server is PvE... so I don't complain. The PvP'ers have a right to have their content tested, just as we do...</p><p>...but seriously... you're gonna go nuts over not being able to access the Homeshow channel while on Test_Copy? Um... why? I'm pretty sure you could live without it for a few minutes, hours or however long you spend on the server.</p>

[Sar]

<p>I logged into test last night for the first time in awhile and I didn't like that it said I was in pvp or whatnot</p><p>...</p>

[Khiara]

<p>Did you read the first part of the post? I stated right OFF : "<span >Before all the pvp yelling starts let me say that YES I understand the need to test pvp junk along with other content."</span></p><p>In regards to your statement about the homeshow channel:</p><p>Because I shouldn't HAVE to...It's unnecessary to block the channels.  It's part of MY enjoyment of the game...and stating my opinion is not "going nuts" ..it's just that...stating my OPINION on something that I know others are annoyed with too.</p>

[asaron]

<p>I understand your concerns i for one cant stand bluebie pver's but you deserve your test time jsut as much as we do  and sadly we are always at the bottom of the barrely when it comes to that test time far too often our patches get little to no test time and end up gettin pushed live sometimes without feedback even being adressed  fair is fair we need our time too</p>

[Khiara]

<p><cite>asaron wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I understand your concerns i for one cant stand bluebie pver's but you deserve your test time jsut as much as we do  and sadly we are always at the bottom of the barrely when it comes to that test time far too often our patches get little to no test time and end up gettin pushed live sometimes without feedback even being adressed  fair is fair we need our time too</p></blockquote><p>OMG people...REEEEAD the post...i'm not saying it should be reverted to pve..i'm SAYING people that DON'T want to deal with pvp should have some sort of lever to pull/box to check/sacrifice to the Non PvP Gods so we DON'T HAVE to deal with it..take us out of the pvp loop</p>

[Kain-UK]

<p>Did you read my post?</p><p>I'm not a PvP'er... so the "PvP yelling" has not started. Merely a statement of fact. Yes it would be nice if we had some way to opt out, but we don't.</p><p>It's the PvP ruleset... and as for the channels thing, if not being in that is so detremental to your enjoyment of the game, then maybe you should be looking at how you actually enjoy the game. There's loads of custom channels I like to be in, all on Antonia Bayle (which is my home server), and I can't while Test_Copy is PvP...</p><p>...but I still enjoy myself running around, doing new stuff that isn't even in the game yet and breaking quests for the dev's to fix. :p Seriously, I can understand you're irritated over it... but was it really worth coming here and getting worked up over having to deal with PvP (hint: most of them seem to be testing out warfields) and the fact you can't have your custom channels???</p>

[Finora]

<p>Makes me wonder if they could make flags for testing purposes. So people who want to test PVP can flag themselves for it on test copy & those who do not, well don't. I'm sure it's more complicated than it sounds but that would make it easier for people to test all of the content I would think on that server.</p><p>One would also think that forcing the pvp no world channels thing on testers would have a negative effect as well. They are testing after all, and it is useful for people on test and test copy to be able to share information as well as compare with things from live with the live folks in the test channel.</p>

[feldon30]

<p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>pvp junk</p></blockquote><p>Calling another person's gameplay style 'junk' always helps your case.</p><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There NEEDS to be a way to ...for lack of a better term..opt out of all the PvP drama on testcopy.</p><p>It's part of MY enjoyment of the game</p></blockquote><p>Test Copy is a temporary server for Testing. It's not a 'community'. It's not a place where you 'enjoy the game'. It's a place to test content and mechanics. If you want a persistent community that also Tests the game, that is what Test is for.</p><p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And NO going to regular TEST is NOT an option.</p></blockquote><p>Why not? Creating a character on Test does NOT consume a character slot.</p><p>Test Copy has been PvE for a week now. And it will go back to PvE before May 25th. But it needs to be PvP at least part-time. When Test Copy was first created, it was permanently PvP.</p><p>Test Copy is routinely erased. It used to be erased every few months, although it's been a while.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>FYI I have tested raid content, heroic content, quests, and tradeskills on test-copy while its PVP enabled with my PVE toon and it works fine.</p>

[EvilAstroboy]

<p>Theres noone actually PvPing in most areas. Did anyone actually gank you? Your reaction seems pretty overboard.</p>

[Wytie]

<p>Some people like to whine, so I let them, they have a right too.</p><p>Case some of you havent noticed, this pvp thing isnt going away, infact its going to get much much bigger thanks to the BG's.</p><p>Its understandable someone might not like it, but there are tons of things people might not like about something in this game, sometimes thats just part of it.</p>

[Darkonx]

<p>Test_Copy cycles between PVE/PVP. It'll be PVE again soon enough.</p>

[JoarAddam]

<p>Why not add a flag to test where you can choose to PVP all the time?  Like in eq1, you had the Tome of Order and discord and if you did something with it, your name changed colors and everyone knew you were a PVPer</p>

[Rocc]

<p>Perhaps the OP is right. While in cities you see a thing next to your name and you are unattackable and you may not attack others. This same code could be incorperated via a check in a box somewhere, to allow players that do not want to pvp an option of opting out. The box should not be selectable during a fight.</p><p>This would free up dev time and swapping the server back and forth. It also opens up communication in chat channels for those wanting to group/raid test content like Icy keep (just one example of many).</p><p>I'm in favor of such a change!</p>

[Rast]

<p>I know for me, i refuse to test because I am not inclined to PvP (in this game) and I don't have the time to level another character and gear it out even on the accelerated xp test.  I could care less about PvP in THIS game (I've been a PvPer in the past), but I understand why enjoy it..</p><p>If that were fixed, I'd consider helping to test the content of the game "I" enjoy.</p>

[Sydares]

<p>It's temporary.</p><p>Stop flipping out.</p><p>Goodness.</p>

[Khiara]

<p><cite>Sydares wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Stop flipping out.</p></blockquote><p>Requesting a <em><strong>choice </strong></em>is "flipping out"?  /boggle</p>

[Sydares]

<p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Before all the pvp yelling starts let me say that <strong>YES</strong> I understand the need to test <strong>pvp junk</strong> along with other content.  That being said...a majority of the players did NOT buy the game to PvP.  Making the testcopy server PvP and <strong>FORCING PvE players to deal with the crap that comes along with it..is WRONG. </strong> </p><p><strong>There NEEDS to be a way</strong> to ...for lack of a better term..opt out of all the <strong>PvP drama</strong> on testcopy.  Now that the testcopy server is PvP I've also lost access to my Antonia_Bayle.Homeshow channel....as a rabid decorator this is <strong>unacceptable. </strong></p><p>Surely there is a way to keep PvE players who love testing content on their copied toons and helping the GM's raid happy while testing PvP content. <strong> And NO going to regular TEST is NOT an option..</strong>if I wanted to roll up another toon I'd do it on my home server where I have access to platz and high lvl crafters on my account.  </p><p><strong>I KNOW </strong>I'm not the <strong>ONLY PvE person</strong> on testcopy who's put out about this....Devs surely there's some kind of "fix" that can be made??</p></blockquote><p>Is flipping out. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Chunkaliscious]

<p><cite>Khiara@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Requesting a <em><strong>choice </strong></em>is "flipping out"?  /boggle</p></blockquote><p>You have a "choice". Do not play on the Test_copy server while pvp is enabled.  Nobody is forcing you to play on that serever.   Our "junk" needs to be tested just the same as your PvE content needs to be tested.  Our "junk" is rarely given an opportunity to be tested before being thrust upon our servers.  I for one salute the Devs for letting our "junk" be tested before going live.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>I dont pvp, but i have been on test religously providing feedback on quests, zone layouts, tradeskills and new halas. PVP enabled doesnt effect testing at all.</p>

[Rast]

<p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p>

[Child]

<p>just fyi - i hate pvp too, and refuse to participate in it.</p><p>frostfang sea has pvp entirely disabled still, so i'm staying in that zone only and reporting bugs/feedback for them still there. so if you still want to be helpful with giving feedback/bugs, but want to avoid pvp, just do what i do, stick to frostfang sea.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p></blockquote><p>Um I think its quite relevent since this is about a TEST server. This is not about your personal enjoyment or opinions of PVP. This is about TESTING the game. The fact that you can TEST the PVE game on a PVP enabled TEST server without it interfering with TESTING is germane to this topic. PVP enabled does not interfere with PVE content. In actuality the server should permantly be PVP enabled but due to incessive whining by self-rightous individuals they only occasionally revert the server to PVP enabled for PVP testing.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p>Bunch of babies honestly. It is so rare we get to test any PvP change, and as soon as we get to, we get so much QQ because of it. Let us have our week or so of actually testing we get on test server. It happens MAYBE once every 3 months.</p>

[Rast]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p></blockquote><p>Um I think its quite relevent since this is about a TEST server. This is not about your personal enjoyment or opinions of PVP. This is about TESTING the game. The fact that you can TEST the PVE game on a PVP enabled TEST server without it interfering with TESTING is germane to this topic. PVP enabled does not interfere with PVE content. In actuality the server should permantly be PVP enabled but due to incessive whining by self-rightous individuals they only occasionally revert the server to PVP enabled for PVP testing.</p></blockquote><p>And how pray tell do you test PvE options on a PvP server without having to deal with PvP issues?  I don't play this game to 'crush' like I did back in Shadowbane, I play it to enjoy it and that means no PvP.</p><p>As I said, I think PvP needs to be tested though (though in my opinion it was a bad idea to add it in the first place) but PvE stuff needs to be tested as well and that is played by a LOT more people than PvP.</p><p>and this potential tester will NOT participate on a PvP enabled server, ever.</p>

[Rast]

<p>And for the record, I do not want the PvP stuff to go untested (even though I do not use it, nor will I).</p><p>I just want an option for those of us who do not have the time to keep multiple characters perpetually leveled and geared for testing purposes.</p>

[Chunkaliscious]

<p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p></blockquote><p>Um I think its quite relevent since this is about a TEST server. This is not about your personal enjoyment or opinions of PVP. This is about TESTING the game. The fact that you can TEST the PVE game on a PVP enabled TEST server without it interfering with TESTING is germane to this topic. PVP enabled does not interfere with PVE content. In actuality the server should permantly be PVP enabled but due to incessive whining by self-rightous individuals they only occasionally revert the server to PVP enabled for PVP testing.</p></blockquote><p>And how pray tell do you test PvE options on a PvP server without having to deal with PvP issues?  I don't play this game to 'crush' like I did back in Shadowbane, I play it to enjoy it and that means no PvP.</p><p>As I said, I think PvP needs to be tested though (though in my opinion it was a bad idea to add it in the first place) but PvE stuff needs to be tested as well and that is played by a LOT more people than PvP.</p><p>and this potential tester will NOT participate on a PvP enabled server, ever.</p></blockquote><p>I wonder where all that testing feedback about the PvE portion of the update has come from if it is as impossible to test as you claim it to be?</p>

[Rast]

<p>Did I say that noone tested it or that I wouldn't participate in the testing of it?  Personally, I'd rather have untested crap than deal with PvPers again, but that is a personal bias.</p><p>The point remains that we BOTH should have legitimate options for testing the game in the manner by which we play it.</p>

[Child]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Bunch of babies honestly. It is so rare we get to test any PvP change, and as soon as we get to, we get so much QQ because of it. Let us have our week or so of actually testing we get on test server. It happens MAYBE once every 3 months.</p></blockquote><p>if you did, please don't lump me in there. i may hate pvp, but i know many people that love it. i am just saying that people that don't want pvp to stick to frostfang sea for now, as i do, since it's not enabled for pvp yet.</p>

[Chunkaliscious]

<p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did I say that noone tested it or that I wouldn't participate in the testing of it?  Personally, I'd rather have untested crap than deal with PvPers again, but that is a personal bias.</p><p>The point remains that we BOTH should have legitimate options for testing the game in the manner by which we play it.</p></blockquote><p>There has been legitmate options for testing the new content under the ruleset you prefer.  Once again it is all a "choice" that you make.  You began this by complaining of not having a choice.  You have had a choice since day one.  The choice is to make a character on the regular test server and level as you would on live or copy a toon to test_copy and test the content on that server. </p><p>Just because you do not like the choices available to you doesn't mean the choices aren't there.</p>

[Rast]

<p>Can I copy over to the 'real' test server, or do I have to split my time and level and gear 2x the number of toons?  I thought so.</p><p>But you are right, I do have an option, one I've exercised since pretty much day 1, I don't test anything in this game because I refuse to deal with PvPers in a PvE game.</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p></blockquote><p>Um I think its quite relevent since this is about a TEST server. This is not about your personal enjoyment or opinions of PVP. This is about TESTING the game. The fact that you can TEST the PVE game on a PVP enabled TEST server without it interfering with TESTING is germane to this topic. PVP enabled does not interfere with PVE content. In actuality the server should permantly be PVP enabled but due to incessive whining by self-rightous individuals they only occasionally revert the server to PVP enabled for PVP testing.</p></blockquote><p>And how pray tell do you test PvE options on a PvP server without having to deal with PvP issues?  I don't play this game to 'crush' like I did back in Shadowbane, I play it to enjoy it and that means no PvP.</p><p>As I said, I think PvP needs to be tested though (though in my opinion it was a bad idea to add it in the first place) but PvE stuff needs to be tested as well and that is played by a LOT more people than PvP.</p><p>and this potential tester will NOT participate on a PvP enabled server, ever.</p></blockquote><p>I have been doing it for 2 days in painel and stonebrunt. There is no PVP issues that hinder testing.</p><p>As i said before i have been testing ONLY PVE content the last 2 days. Which has been completely PVP enabled. If i felt the desire or need to test PVP content i would go to commonlands/antonica to test the new warfields which DO require testing.</p><p>I am not saying you will never get ganked, but it is unlikely to happen and it is avoidable. The bottom line is you can test PVE content perfectly fine. You are correct about one thing. You are biased.</p>

[Rast]

<p>Have I wronged you in some other life?  Have I called for you to lose options in this, or that there should be additional options for those of us who would like to test relevant content but simply do not have the time to keep our main server toons geared, test server toons geared and still have time to actually *gasp* test???</p><p>While I hate they added PvP to what was once a wonderfully PvE driven game, while I hate that they have made PvP gear better than all but raid gear PvE gear in the PvE game, I still want to see you get your content tested, even though I wish it were ripped from the game and thrown down the toilet where it belongs.</p><p>My bias against PvP does not and should not intrude upon your ability to get your PvP content tested, just like your PvP bias should not prevent me from getting my own content tested from within the same capabilities you now enjoy (ie, test_copy).</p><p>I'm not asking for either of us to have less options, but rather more options.  They tend to run 3 game worlds on one set of servers, why not three test servers on one set of servers?  The 'community' test, PvP test copy and PvE test copy.  Then everyone gets to test the aspects they want to test and it would be better for the ENTIRE game, not just our own biased playing styles?</p>

[Rast]

<p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gungo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jalathan@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Gungo, that is irrelevant, I refuse to participate in PvP in this game period.  I do not play on PvP, I do not use the arenas and I refuse to use the battlegrounds.  If I want to PvP, I'll go to a real PvP game like Darkfall, EVE or other equally styled game.</p><p>Therefore, I chose to ignore Test Copy until they have a PvE only version of it.  I'm not saying take away the PvP enabled one, but we shouldn't be forced to endure PvPers testing what is important to them.</p></blockquote><p>Um I think its quite relevent since this is about a TEST server. This is not about your personal enjoyment or opinions of PVP. This is about TESTING the game. The fact that you can TEST the PVE game on a PVP enabled TEST server without it interfering with TESTING is germane to this topic. PVP enabled does not interfere with PVE content. In actuality the server should permantly be PVP enabled but due to incessive whining by self-rightous individuals they only occasionally revert the server to PVP enabled for PVP testing.</p></blockquote><p>And how pray tell do you test PvE options on a PvP server without having to deal with PvP issues?  I don't play this game to 'crush' like I did back in Shadowbane, I play it to enjoy it and that means no PvP.</p><p>As I said, I think PvP needs to be tested though (though in my opinion it was a bad idea to add it in the first place) but PvE stuff needs to be tested as well and that is played by a LOT more people than PvP.</p><p>and this potential tester will NOT participate on a PvP enabled server, ever.</p></blockquote><p>I have been doing it for 2 days in painel and stonebrunt. There is no PVP issues that hinder testing.</p><p>As i said before i have been testing ONLY PVE content the last 2 days. Which has been completely PVP enabled. If i felt the desire or need to test PVP content i would go to commonlands/antonica to test the new warfields which DO require testing.</p><p>I am not saying you will never get ganked, but it is unlikely to happen and it is avoidable. The bottom line is you can test PVE content perfectly fine. You are correct about one thing. You are biased.</p></blockquote><p>If there is a possiblity of being 'ganked' then I have to deal with PvP issues, now don't I?  Seems a pretty straight foward concept, I do NOT want to PVP, period.</p>

[Rast]

<p>nm...</p><p>Not worth it.</p>

[Shareana]

<p>....  and now this thread ends.  </p><p>PvP NEEDS to be tested with this Game update.  So currently the PvP will be enabled on the Test copy.  If you are not the kind of person that enjoys PvP, then I would suggest trying the test server to try the new zone out at least.  You do not need to be high level to do so *wink*</p><p>Once they have tested the PvP aspect of the Game update, then Test Copy <strong><span style="font-size: large;">may</span></strong> be returned to PvE to test the higher end things.  Until that time, it is PvP enabled.  </p>