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Sorann

05-06-2010, 01:05 PM

<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="40" height="39" /> The Love of New Halas <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="41" height="40" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="24" height="23" /> New Halas is cool, I have no idea how it cannot be liked, and I was almost tricked by what people said. I'm glad I checked it out for myself. People, try it out before you make a statement about it. Thanks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="26" height="25" /> Here's the thing, I think that the fact of New Halas being here and Qeynos and Freeport being removed has to do with the fact that they started out with one starting area: The Isle of Refuge. They then split it into two areas known as: Queen's Colony + Outpost of the Overlord so that evil and good could have their own starting point. Now it's being split into 4 starting areas known as: New Halas, Kelethin, Timorous Deep, and Neriak. This is so that evil and good can have a more selective choice as to where they start. They are now unique because of the style and system. You can now go back to where you have started. Qeynos and Freeport have been removed and have been: re-purposed because if they kept them, then both sides would have three starting areas and that wouldn't be good as it would spread the new players thin. Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? New Halas probably became the new starting area for two reasons: One is that we have always wanted Velious and now we have a chunk of our favorite continent as a starting point. The second reason is that (This is only a rumor but may be true) they are introducing Velious as the next expansion pack, and want to build more suspense then they have already by waiting to release it. This is what I think may be the reasons for everything, but it's just my guess.The Love of New Halas is the first post in the series of posts known as: Sorann's Journal, which will tell theories about different things within the game. If interested, look around for the post, as the place it's in will change.Update v2.1

Landiin

05-06-2010, 01:16 PM

I haven't had the time to test the quest lines so they might be the best thing since sliced bread but as far as the town and lay out go I am disappointed. I expected a much grander place considering the delays.

Sorann

05-06-2010, 01:21 PM

<cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I haven't had the time to test the quest lines so they might be the best thing since sliced bread but as far as the town and lay out go I am disappointed. I expected a much grander place considering the delays.</blockquote>It is grand silly. You think it's not grand? Wow... that's just... wow...Still.... It's been said we might be getting a Velious expansion next, and since New Halas is a chunk off of Velious, Velious will probably have the same feeling as this, which would be great. The ice and everything... it's so cool. It makes you feel like you're there, temperature wise, because I for one, felt cold looking at that. It was AWESOME!

Gungo

05-06-2010, 01:32 PM

Actually at first i agreed with him but they have made several art passes over the last 2 builds that are fleshing out the zone. I just sent in additional /feedback on the feel and how to make the town of halas better to improve the game. You know instead of whining on the forums saying it sucks. Here was my feed back. Awesome changes so far to make New Halas feel more like a city. I love the wandering npcs the dwarf w the keg that rocks side to side as he moves. (ore coldstein)I love the addition of trees. Maybe a few more evergreens about the island would be great. The few recommendations i do have is I hope the arcanitorium becomes one of the bigger huts. It is still extremely small and close quartered. Its fine for a personal dweling w 1-2 npcs like hopsons personal abode but not for an adventure house were large races such as barbarians have to enter. I really think glacierbanes vault the library of the spear of the spell weavers can use a new housing model as well. A 2 floor velium mage tower would be awesome. The cheap and easy way is to remove the tower from the starter isle and retexture it. The current model is cramped and doesnt offer me the feel of a library at all. Add some bookcases (and flair) to the mages study area as well. When you guys get a chance and want to add a new quest to this city pay a little homage to beowulf and add a Grendel themed beowulf type quest to this zone. It is the perfect setting for this type of quest. <div></div>

GlitterPaws

05-06-2010, 01:52 PM

New Halas is great fun! The starting quests are good with enough red herring types to add a little zest.I agree with Gungo (nearly fainted from shock) that as content is added the whole experience is fleshed out and becomes truly enjoyable.The nay-sayers? I reached the conclusion long ago that the majority of those posts are possibly 1)paid for by other game companies to drive business to their games; 2) out of work and/or bored programmers; 3) children raised by nannies who have been paid to tell the little ones that EVERYTHING in the world belongs to them and no other opinion matters; or 4) people who complain about everything, nothing is every right/good/beautiful, etc. I have a number of relatives who fit into option 4.Everquest 2 and Norrath is my fantasy world online. When I want to be completely alone I play Oblivion or Divinity II (when it works) and then come back to EQ2 and gasp at the beauty of the graphics and gleefully jump into quests.Back to New Halas. The housing is insane! There will definitely be a migration of characters to enjoy the beautiful living quarters. My thanks to everyone who posted snapshots of the housing. WOW!The path to New Halas is not difficult to find at all. Exploring is part of the game. Good Grief! Didn't anyone wonder where those rolling stoney things were coming from?

MoiraesFate

05-06-2010, 02:01 PM

I so agree. I LOVE New Halas. It feels like home to me. I'm from Canada but live in New Orlean. It CAN reach up to 110 degrees fehr in the summer and minus 20 fehr in the winter, but most of the time its a nice temperate area. I grew up not far from the mountains, and this feels so much like them to me. Right down to the carvings on the doors of the houses.It feels like the hotels, zoo's, casinos and the like back home.I miss Canada since I haven't been home in over two years. I honestly have to say that I NEVER thought I'd say that I miss the snow but I do. Halas feels like home. I'm going to be moving all my good side characters to Halas as soon as its live. AND creating a new one too.Heh, I keep having to remind myself that black bears and beavers won't exist in such a cold area, but I'm quite glad to see the polar bears.I hope I get to see penguins too, though I've only ever seen them in zoos.

Anestacia

05-06-2010, 02:35 PM

Yep, Halas is awsome in almost every aspect. If you have listened to the people saying how horrible it is, just see it for yourself before you make that decision! I think you will be surprised.

VikingGamer

05-06-2010, 03:29 PM

<cite>GlitterPaws wrote:</cite><blockquote>The path to New Halas is not difficult to find at all. Exploring is part of the game. Good Grief! Didn't anyone wonder where those rolling stoney things were coming from?</blockquote>I never expected THAT to be the origin of those rolling stones. That was awesome to discover. They just seemed like some wierd take on a jumping bean. It is things like that that will be remembered forever.But I will tell you what New Halas is missing...A million ways to fall to your death, thats what. Yay for Halas, no more lag induced death.

Dimhammer

05-06-2010, 04:16 PM

I have checked it out. Leveled 2 new toons 0-21 in Frostfang Sea / New Halas and find it completely underwhelming. It's nothing special, it just doesn't have any atmosphere to it. At least not yet.

Branlach

05-06-2010, 05:23 PM

I like New Halas for the most part and while it's certainly not perfect (yet), it's a good area so far despite it's relatively small size. It does, however, still have a lot of room for improvement (i.e. cultural lore quests, ambient city life, KILTS!).

Maggyar

05-06-2010, 06:19 PM

<cite>GlitterPaws wrote:</cite><blockquote>The nay-sayers? I reached the conclusion long ago that the majority of those posts are possibly 1)paid for by other game companies to drive business to their games; 2) out of work and/or bored programmers; 3) children raised by nannies who have been paid to tell the little ones that EVERYTHING in the world belongs to them and no other opinion matters; or 4) people who complain about everything, nothing is every right/good/beautiful, etc. I have a number of relatives who fit into option 4.</blockquote>Just because someone does not like the new zone or has concerns with it doesn't mean they are any of those things listed, but I guess your opinion is the only one that is correct. I personally did not enjoy the quests such as the manta quest and finding the Froglok child. I also had anticipated something a little larger in scale as far as the village goes. People have been waiting almost 3 extra months for this and I think had their hopes set a bit higher on what this would be like.I did like the armor sets for my conjuror and I did enjoy the zone layout. The housing is very nice, which is great, but I find it odd a 5s house is nicer and larger than almost half the village.

Aurel

05-06-2010, 06:27 PM

I'd like to think I don't fit into those categories even though I don't care much for New Halas. However, taking into account that I am someone that doesn't fare well in cold environments, doesn't roll alts and isn't going to live in said cold environment, and needs a minimum of three books in an area to really get her interest piqued, it's not a surprise to me that I'm neutral on the topic! (:I AM glad for those that love it and am glad to see people enjoying it, though![EDIT: I are grammaring good.]

Sorann

05-07-2010, 01:00 PM

<cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="40" height="39" /> The Love of New Halas <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="41" height="40" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="24" height="23" /> New Halas is cool, I have no idea how it cannot be liked, and I was almost tricked by what people said. I'm glad I checked it out for myself. People, try it out before you make a statement about it. Thanks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" width="26" height="25" /> Here's the thing, I think that the fact of New Halas being here and Qeynos and Freeport being removed has to do with the fact that they started out with one starting area: The Isle of Refuge. They then split it into two areas known as: Queen's Colony + Outpost of the Overlord so that evil and good could have their own starting point. Now it's being split into 4 starting areas known as: New Halas, Kelethin, Timorous Deep, and Neriak. This is so that evil and good can have a more selective choice as to where they start. They are now unique because of the style and system. You can now go back to where you have started. Qeynos and Freeport have been removed and have been: re-purposed because if they kept them, then both sides would have three starting areas and that wouldn't be good as it would spread the new players thin. Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? New Halas probably became the new starting area for two reasons: One is that we have always wanted Velious and now we have a chunk of our favorite continent as a starting point. The second reason is that (This is only a rumor but may be true) they are introducing Velious as the next expansion pack, and want to build more suspense then they have already by waiting to release it. This is what I think may be the reasons for everything, but it's just my guess.The Love of New Halas is the first post in the series of posts known as: Sorann's Journal, which will tell theories about different things within the game. If interested, look around for the post, as the place it's in will change.Update v2.1</blockquote>The next planned story / theory is going to be sepcifically about Velious and IF it's the next expansion, how it will probably play out.

Sar

05-07-2010, 01:07 PM

I have never taken much time to decorate my house.... now I can't wait... even the Inn rooms are nice lovely lofts! I am also a fan of Halas and I wish it would release soon, I'm tired of waiting!

Ksaun

05-09-2010, 12:55 PM

Seemed kind of bland and lifeless and lacks any real atmosphere, the people don't really talk and I found nobody with voiceovers except that say hey, greetings, and such I didn't hear any music in the background to set my mood, all I heard was the wind. I guess it might appeal to some but I wasn't one of them.After finding my way up to the town I dinged lvl 4 just on Disco. I was mainly interested in checking out how to leave to go to a real city and after I finally found the guy and who I needed to talk to I caught hell trying to find a way off the ice.After wandering around for awhile I stumbled on the grif (could really use some signs here and there to show you where things are). I made it to Qeynos and talked with the fellow there and he sent me out to pick up trash...30 pieces of trash along the highway, NP I thought, by the time I reached the 11th peice I was in the area where the wolves and bears cross the road, they are lvls 10-12 me thinks, they one shot me, I revive and there's a pile of trash kewl so I head down the other part of the road and a playful bear comes out from behind a rock and one shot me again (I am having a lot of fun by this time) then I finally manage to get all the trash that was wanted and go turn it in...(no exp gain)...oh well I am given another task of going to the towers in Ant and giving out reports np till a lizard sees me, one shot again... grrr, I manage to get done with the task (no exp gain) and then have to run around and talk to people (without voiceovers) to tell me a sad story of their drab little life in Qeynos (no wonder Lucan hates them).All in all its BS to have to jump threw so many hoops to become a Citizen of Qeynos....make it so I have to pick up 10 pieces of trash and be done with it, I wanted to start on the islands so I could get situated and start my adventure in the city I would call home and not spend an hour of my time running all over creation to get there. If the islands are disabled thats fine but fix this mess because its not fun they way it is now. I shouldn't have to PROVE my worth to Qeynos just because there is no longer a starter island.

Ksaun

05-09-2010, 12:59 PM

Why cant I edit my post?

Hamervelder

05-09-2010, 01:14 PM

New Halas is getting better with each build. A few little things that would add immersion for me though:-I'd prefer to see the trees in the city be alive, but heavy-laden with snow. -Minor cold damage from being in the frigid water.-Orcas-Penguins-Yeti-I'd rather have seen arctic foxes than snow lions-get rid of the snow imps, and replace them with yeti-frost giants

Vortexelemental

05-09-2010, 01:27 PM

The idea of making a starter city on ice... itself was pretty flawed...There's only so much you can do with no trees or plantation. Everfrost pretty much is about as creative as it gets.As well someone else mentioned...I hate the reflection of the white, it gives me a headache and I can't stand it.I spent 10 minutes in the starter zone and it really was not engaging at all, So I just logged back onto live. Where you are automatically leaded straight to the first quest npc who is adorned in armor and speaking in a manner of importance.

MoiraesFate

05-09-2010, 01:32 PM

I don't understand why the white is such a problem for some people. I have no problem with it. It isn't even as bright as it gets in Canada after a blizzard when the snow hasn't been disturbed yet.

Aurel

05-09-2010, 02:09 PM

Everyone has different sensitivites... I don't like yellow, for example. d: I just don't. Some people love it, though, and that's great for them!

Gungo

05-09-2010, 03:21 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't understand why the white is such a problem for some people. I have no problem with it. It isn't even as bright as it gets in Canada after a blizzard when the snow hasn't been disturbed yet.</blockquote>Some people dont like the white because it gives them something to complain about. These posters who alreayd are crying about losing the starter isles NEVER mentioned the whiteness until 1 other poster mentioned it. Basically its an opinion of predisposed " I hate this" mentality. Its also the same posters attacking anyone who says "I love New Halas".

MoiraesFate

05-09-2010, 05:42 PM

<cite>Aurelis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone has different sensitivites... I don't like yellow, for example. d: I just don't. Some people love it, though, and that's great for them!</blockquote>I seriously can't stand orange and red but I don't get this upset over those colors. I still play in Lavastorm for example.

Anestacia

05-09-2010, 10:08 PM

Don't like white huh? This has gotten pathetic. A certain someone has NOW used every single excuse they can dream up to try and damper Halas for others. It's coming, white and all, so my advice to this person is to make a list. On that list decide which good characters they want to create for future play and create them now. Or don't; I don't really care what they do but the islands are gone and Halas is coming. It's unfortunate in some aspects but its just the fact so wipe those tears away, run the island one last time and quit trying to derail a positive thread on the subject at hand.

Vortexelemental

05-10-2010, 12:24 AM

“Photophobia or light sensitivity is a common eye complaint. It can result from several different conditions and in most cases is easily treatable.” <a href="http://www.eyecarespecialists.com/photophobia.htm">Eye Care Specialists: When the Light Hurts Your Eyes</a> Or, You know there is the truth? I really have eye problems ! What a wonder ! You know those days after it's snowed? Ya I go outside and I CLOSE my eyes, it HURTS, wow. Who'da thunk.

Anestacia

05-10-2010, 12:33 AM

<cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>“Photophobia or light sensitivity is a common eye complaint. It can result from several different conditions and in most cases is easily treatable.” <a href="http://www.eyecarespecialists.com/photophobia.htm">Eye Care Specialists: When the Light Hurts Your Eyes</a> Or, You know there is the truth? I really have eye problems ! What a wonder ! You know those days after it's snowed? Ya I go outside and I CLOSE my eyes, it HURTS, wow. Who'da thunk.</blockquote>Wow, lol.

Vortexelemental

05-10-2010, 12:56 AM

<cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>“Photophobia or light sensitivity is a common eye complaint. It can result from several different conditions and in most cases is easily treatable.” <a href="http://www.eyecarespecialists.com/photophobia.htm">Eye Care Specialists: When the Light Hurts Your Eyes</a> Or, You know there is the truth? I really have eye problems ! What a wonder ! You know those days after it's snowed? Ya I go outside and I CLOSE my eyes, it HURTS, wow. Who'da thunk.</blockquote>Wow, lol.</blockquote>Ya, I get migraines from excessive exposure to bright light.Also, the whole bashing on me without naming me? Come on don't be like that, say That bumbhole vortex, honestly it's getting more annoying that you are obviously trying to avoid saying my name than anything.I could care less what people think of me, I can be the martyr or the idiot or anything, as long as the message is recieved.

Dreyco

05-10-2010, 01:22 AM

<cite>@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>“Photophobia or light sensitivity is a common eye complaint. It can result from several different conditions and in most cases is easily treatable.” <a href="http://www.eyecarespecialists.com/photophobia.htm">Eye Care Specialists: When the Light Hurts Your Eyes</a> Or, You know there is the truth? I really have eye problems ! What a wonder ! You know those days after it's snowed? Ya I go outside and I CLOSE my eyes, it HURTS, wow. Who'da thunk.</blockquote>Wow, lol.</blockquote>Ya, I get migraines from excessive exposure to bright light.Also, the whole bashing on me without naming me? Come on don't be like that, say That bumbhole vortex, honestly it's getting more annoying that you are obviously trying to avoid saying my name than anything.I could care less what people think of me, I can be the martyr or the idiot or anything, as long as the message is recieved.</blockquote>To be honest, it is your responsibility to do things that are good for you when it comes to this type of game content. Most people don't have this type of eye problem... so it's not something that should be blanketed upon an entire starting area as a reason that it should/should not be implemented in current state, or a reason in and of itself to be added to the "KEEP THE ISLANDS" bandwagon.If it's uncomfortable for you? Play with your brightness, your ambient light... everything. But don't point a finger at the game. The game can be adjusted to your sensitivity. if it can't? It's your sensitivity at the end of the day.I do feel apathetic toward your condition, though. I have some problems with my eyes as well.

Titigabe

05-10-2010, 01:30 AM

I don't know why, but I have difficulties to see Halas as a city actually. For me, it's nothing but a encampement ... Just like Teren's Grasp in Kylong Plains.We do not get a feeling of a city. Buildings just look dropped on the floor and we are far from city feelings given by Qeynos, Freeport, and even the beautifull Maj'Dul. Even Neriak did it better as a city.

Vortexelemental

05-10-2010, 01:37 AM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vortexelemental@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>“Photophobia or light sensitivity is a common eye complaint. It can result from several different conditions and in most cases is easily treatable.” <a href="http://www.eyecarespecialists.com/photophobia.htm">Eye Care Specialists: When the Light Hurts Your Eyes</a> Or, You know there is the truth? I really have eye problems ! What a wonder ! You know those days after it's snowed? Ya I go outside and I CLOSE my eyes, it HURTS, wow. Who'da thunk.</blockquote>Wow, lol.</blockquote>Ya, I get migraines from excessive exposure to bright light.Also, the whole bashing on me without naming me? Come on don't be like that, say That bumbhole vortex, honestly it's getting more annoying that you are obviously trying to avoid saying my name than anything.I could care less what people think of me, I can be the martyr or the idiot or anything, as long as the message is recieved.</blockquote>To be honest, it is your responsibility to do things that are good for you when it comes to this type of game content. Most people don't have this type of eye problem... so it's not something that should be blanketed upon an entire starting area as a reason that it should/should not be implemented in current state, or a reason in and of itself to be added to the "KEEP THE ISLANDS" bandwagon.If it's uncomfortable for you? Play with your brightness, your ambient light... everything. But don't point a finger at the game. The game can be adjusted to your sensitivity. if it can't? It's your sensitivity at the end of the day.I do feel apathetic toward your condition, though. I have some problems with my eyes as well.</blockquote>Oh, I know that, Of course I make adjustments for myself. I won't be using that as a reason for keeping the islands. That's just a preference that I won't be starting in Halas, at least more than once.

Gisallo

05-10-2010, 04:31 AM

<cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? </blockquote>This is one of two reasons that makes the change make sense. Does the kid in Camelot just get his knight hood, or get offered to test himself? Not usually. you come from elsewhere with a reputation already earned and then get offered a chance to earn your spurs.Also the whole point of the islands were that you washed up on the shore? How might you ask? Due to the seas being a mess due to the chaos of the rending/shattering. This time has passed so the story goes so why in the heck are so many people still washing ashore?

GrunEQ

05-10-2010, 11:32 AM

<cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? </blockquote>This is one of two reasons that makes the change make sense. Does the kid in Camelot just get his knight hood, or get offered to test himself? Not usually. you come from elsewhere with a reputation already earned and then get offered a chance to earn your spurs.Also the whole point of the islands were that you washed up on the shore? How might you ask? Due to the seas being a mess due to the chaos of the rending/shattering. This time has passed so the story goes so why in the heck are so many people still washing ashore?</blockquote>If this is true, then they would have to get rid of the villages and just have NQ & SQ and EFP & WFP. Ever look at real capitol cities? They have grand areas and not so grand areas, and poor areas. A capitol area is where you find the head of goverments, not just a place for royality or the wealthy. After all, who would do the grunt work? You have a population from all levels.

JoarAddam

05-10-2010, 12:10 PM

the problem with freeport and qeynos being "higher end" cities is that they're not. Nobody wants to live in the cramped houses in freeport with the cracked walls you can't place paintings on without half the wall clipping through. maybe qeynos is a little better off, but probably not really. they can place paintings where they want and get a ton more light in ther large houses, but their floor space is smaller than tim deep and nerian houses, i'll assume the same about kelethin though i don't think i've entered a kelethin house

Hamervelder

05-10-2010, 12:37 PM

<cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? </blockquote>This is one of two reasons that makes the change make sense. Does the kid in Camelot just get his knight hood, or get offered to test himself? Not usually. you come from elsewhere with a reputation already earned and then get offered a chance to earn your spurs.Also the whole point of the islands were that you washed up on the shore? How might you ask? Due to the seas being a mess due to the chaos of the rending/shattering. This time has passed so the story goes so why in the heck are so many people still washing ashore?</blockquote>If this is true, then they would have to get rid of the villages and just have NQ & SQ and EFP & WFP. Ever look at real capitol cities? They have grand areas and not so grand areas, and poor areas. A capitol area is where you find the head of goverments, not just a place for royality or the wealthy. After all, who would do the grunt work? You have a population from all levels.</blockquote>Very, very true. Ever been to Washington, DC? Once you get a little way off the mall, the place is a huge ghetto, for lack of a better term. You have huge, glorious buildings and beautiful locales, then two three blocks away you have broken-down row houses and roads with pot holes.

Sorann

05-10-2010, 12:52 PM

<cite>GrunEQ wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Qeynos and Freeport are becoming places for higher levels, because seriously, they ARE the grandest cities of all, why not make them live true to that? </blockquote>This is one of two reasons that makes the change make sense. Does the kid in Camelot just get his knight hood, or get offered to test himself? Not usually. you come from elsewhere with a reputation already earned and then get offered a chance to earn your spurs.Also the whole point of the islands were that you washed up on the shore? How might you ask? Due to the seas being a mess due to the chaos of the rending/shattering. This time has passed so the story goes so why in the heck are so many people still washing ashore?</blockquote>If this is true, then they would have to get rid of the villages and just have NQ & SQ and EFP & WFP. Ever look at real capitol cities? They have grand areas and not so grand areas, and poor areas. A capitol area is where you find the head of goverments, not just a place for royality or the wealthy. After all, who would do the grunt work? You have a population from all levels.</blockquote>Ok, here's the thing, when I said "Grandest" I actually meant the most important. They have been around from the beginning, making them the best cities of all, and you are not removing peasants and other such things from the city without a starter island, the NPCs make up for that. The thing about it is that if it becomes a place for high levels, it would just... fit.

Kiara

05-10-2010, 05:25 PM

Let's steer away from the interpersonal arguments, if you please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gisallo

05-10-2010, 06:09 PM

<cite>delete</cite>

Oakum

05-10-2010, 07:57 PM

Lvled up a new warden to lvl 10 i think it was there. Out lvled some quest rather easily and bugged the crafting one because i couldnt harvest the coal from the bag. The biggest issue I had was finding the stupid path to New Halas itself. I stumbled on it by accident.I will say I like the look of it for the few minutes there before I logged out BUT to me its a nice looking starter village just like any around Qeynos.By the time most people can find it they will probably be between LVL 5 and LVL 10 if by kills if no other reason while they were looking for it. lol. Just like they were when they hit Willow Wood or whatever their starting zone was.The starter island has been replaced by the 3 camps on the two islands, not New Halas IMO. New Halas is taking the place of all the Freeport and Qeynos starter villages. Does it do the job? Probably. is it better? Only time will tell.I agree with another post that I read that the change to Q or F citizen should not be a long quest any more since the choice of starting there has been removed. The cities where you can start should have the longer betrayal quest, since someone could have started there unless they wanted to start elsewhere and betray for their own reasons. Where it be for a certain race ect. whatever.

Sorann

05-11-2010, 01:19 PM

<cite>Oakum wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lvled up a new warden to lvl 10 i think it was there. Out lvled some quest rather easily and bugged the crafting one because i couldnt harvest the coal from the bag. The biggest issue I had was finding the stupid path to New Halas itself. I stumbled on it by accident.I will say I like the look of it for the few minutes there before I logged out BUT to me its a nice looking starter village just like any around Qeynos.By the time most people can find it they will probably be between LVL 5 and LVL 10 if by kills if no other reason while they were looking for it. lol. Just like they were when they hit Willow Wood or whatever their starting zone was.The starter island has been replaced by the 3 camps on the two islands, not New Halas IMO. New Halas is taking the place of all the Freeport and Qeynos starter villages. Does it do the job? Probably. is it better? Only time will tell.I agree with another post that I read that the change to Q or F citizen should not be a long quest any more since the choice of starting there has been removed. The cities where you can start should have the longer betrayal quest, since someone could have started there unless they wanted to start elsewhere and betray for their own reasons. Where it be for a certain race ect. whatever.</blockquote>Yes, I agree with all of this.

Vortexelemental

05-11-2010, 01:23 PM

<cite>Sorann@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Oakum wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lvled up a new warden to lvl 10 i think it was there. Out lvled some quest rather easily and bugged the crafting one because i couldnt harvest the coal from the bag. The biggest issue I had was finding the stupid path to New Halas itself. I stumbled on it by accident.I will say I like the look of it for the few minutes there before I logged out BUT to me its a nice looking starter village just like any around Qeynos.By the time most people can find it they will probably be between LVL 5 and LVL 10 if by kills if no other reason while they were looking for it. lol. Just like they were when they hit Willow Wood or whatever their starting zone was.The starter island has been replaced by the 3 camps on the two islands, not New Halas IMO. New Halas is taking the place of all the Freeport and Qeynos starter villages. Does it do the job? Probably. is it better? Only time will tell.I agree with another post that I read that the change to Q or F citizen should not be a long quest any more since the choice of starting there has been removed. The cities where you can start should have the longer betrayal quest, since someone could have started there unless they wanted to start elsewhere and betray for their own reasons. Where it be for a certain race ect. whatever.</blockquote>Yes, I agree with all of this.</blockquote>As long as the old citizenship quests remain available for those who want to do them.I still believe this to be an overall net loss of content due to the loss of the two starter zones. We only gained one. Removing more quests for the sake of simplicity would just urk me to no end.Optional is the name of the game it appears.

MoiraesFate

05-11-2010, 03:48 PM

Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.

Deson

05-11-2010, 03:56 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.</blockquote>Except the places already in game that many of us prefer will be removed. Given "good" options will essentially be Halas and Kelethin, it's hard to take that tone with someone who may be telling the truth or may just be pulling out all the stops to save preferred content that almost no one knows is going to be removed.

Vortexelemental

05-11-2010, 04:04 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.</blockquote>Except the places already in game that many of us prefer will be removed. Given "good" options will essentially be Halas and Kelethin, it's hard to take that tone with someone who may be telling the truth or may just be pulling out all the stops to save preferred content that almost no one knows is going to be removed.</blockquote>As I said, the white portion is personal preference, and I will not be using it as an excuse to keep the islands.As there are plenty of legitimate reasons. =)I'm just taking the blows for everyone else. I simply feel it is an ill-timed, and planned decision to take out the islands at this time.

MoiraesFate

05-11-2010, 04:10 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.</blockquote>Except the places already in game that many of us prefer will be removed. Given "good" options will essentially be Halas and Kelethin, it's hard to take that tone with someone who may be telling the truth or may just be pulling out all the stops to save preferred content that almost no one knows is going to be removed.</blockquote>Yes, and Neriak and Gorowyn. Which means both sides still have the same number of starting areas. So what.I'm fine with the Qeynos and Freeport starting areas being removed. The island is boring anyway. The island has been around for 6 years. Its time to move on to the new. And frankly, the removal isn't what most people are complaining about here, its that they don't like New Halas.

Deson

05-11-2010, 04:31 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.</blockquote>Except the places already in game that many of us prefer will be removed. Given "good" options will essentially be Halas and Kelethin, it's hard to take that tone with someone who may be telling the truth or may just be pulling out all the stops to save preferred content that almost no one knows is going to be removed.</blockquote>Yes, and Neriak and Gorowyn. Which means both sides still have the same number of starting areas. So what.I'm fine with the Qeynos and Freeport starting areas being removed. The island is boring anyway. The island has been around for 6 years. Its time to move on to the new. And frankly, the removal isn't what most people are complaining about here, its that they don't like New Halas. </blockquote>So what? That's what the other thread is for. I personally can't stand any of the good starters but you don't hear me cheering for their removal. You hate the island, I wouldn't mind if the starters were only the islands. The point is people who feel like I do are having options removed in favor of players who may not even play the game. If they don't like New Halas, that's a huge point since the other options are being snatched away.Newer doesn't always mean better and when new and old can coexist, why rob people who prefer the old of the option?

Alenna

05-11-2010, 04:32 PM

<cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MoiraesFate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, about the bright light thing... both my husband and I are sensitive to bright light. My husband wears dark sunglasses whenever we go outside if its sunny because the light makes him tear up so bad he can't drive.I grew up in Canada where I grew up with the snow and have seen snow so bright that it actually blinds you. The snow in Halas does NOT.Both of us think you're over reacting.You don't like white, thats fine, but constantly going on and on about it is getting old and annoying.Get over it.I don't like Freeport because of the colors and the sharp edges. You know what I do? Yes... this is shocking... I DON'T PLAY THERE. If you don't like the decor of Halas, then don't play there. It really is as simple as that.Personally? I love New Halas. Snow and all. I also much much prefer Qeynos and Faydark over Freeport, Neriak, and Gorowyn. Why? Because I love the colors, the design, and the decor. Every time I start in Freeport, I betray, because the oranges and browns are annoying and incredibly ugly. And honestly, I love blue. Its my favorite color. But for some reason I can't fathom, 99% of the blue stuff is an odd color of blue, strange shapes or designs, and pretty much only go places like Neriak because they don't suit anywhere else.Devs PLEASE give us more nice blue color stuff, thanks.I like Halas. I like the snow. I even like the soft cool browns, and the light blue and grey stone of the buildings. The shrine to Erollisi is simply gorgeous. I think they should hire that intern that did the housing back to redo the rest of the housing in the game. If they had more beautiful housing in other areas, I'd be more inclined to spend time there (they ALL desperately need refurbishment). Not everything about a game has to appeal to every single player all the time. I also don't like PvP, but so what. Not everything is going to appeal to me about every game. Thats life. I like the rest of the game and there's nothing that says I simply MUST start out in Freeport, or participate in PvP. Thats good enough for me.</blockquote>Except the places already in game that many of us prefer will be removed. Given "good" options will essentially be Halas and Kelethin, it's hard to take that tone with someone who may be telling the truth or may just be pulling out all the stops to save preferred content that almost no one knows is going to be removed.</blockquote>Yes, and Neriak and Gorowyn. Which means both sides still have the same number of starting areas. So what.I'm fine with the Qeynos and Freeport starting areas being removed. The island is boring anyway. The island has been around for 6 years. Its time to move on to the new. And frankly, the removal isn't what most people are complaining about here, its that they don't like New Halas. </blockquote>Actually I like New Halas which is why my main will be moving there and I will be starting my latest(and most likely last since she will be my 7th) toon there. what I dont' like is that they ave removed the ability to start as a Qeynos or Freeport Citizen you have start as a citizen of one of the other cities on both sides and then change their Citizenship. This is an MMORPG. you do know what the RPG stands for don't you. for RPG reasons there arew certain races I woudl prefer to start as Freeport or Qeynos Citizens, as would some others I know luckly I already started those particualiar races as citizens where I wanted to but others I know have slots left and will not be able to. Thier prefered RPG choice has been taken away for no good reason I can see.