Token exchange

[Brynhild]

<p>Could you put in a token exchange merchant? So we can turn in say, 10 gears tokens and get 4 smugglers tokens? I have so many gears tokens I don't know what to do with them!  Smugglers is hardly ever up at the times that I play :/</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>No</p>

[Rocc]

<p>New BG gear is coming with release of Halas. It is more expensive than your previous set of gear (5 and 5). Also the tokens are heirloom and BG will scale from level 30 all the way to 90. You could pass your left over tokens thru shared bank to your alts so they can gear up.</p>

[Sydares]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No</p></blockquote><p>Yes</p>

[Trynt]

<p>No.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=477421">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=477421</a></p><p>Open that post and then reply in it instead of making new threads on the same topic</p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No</p></blockquote><p><3 Davi!</p>

[StaticLex]

<p>Do eet.</p><p>Token exchange '10.</p>

[Elwin]

<p>My votes a no even though it would be handy....</p><p>How often do you think we'd get into Smugglers if we could just exchange tokens? </p>

[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Charlice@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>My votes a no even though it would be handy....</p><p>How often do you think we'd get into Smugglers if we could just exchange tokens? </p></blockquote><p>You'd still have the smuggler fanatics like Crismorn running it.</p>

[snowli]

<p>Recently I hate saturdays, I mean totally detest them all day.</p><p>Why?</p><p>It's because it's the only day smugglers den runs in the splitpaw/runnyeye servers, and the only day you can get the stupid smugglers tokens that are needed for 90% of the PvP gear that worth buying. SO there's no break, there's no time to do some fun runs like gears or ganak - there just that god awful crapfest in smugglers for hours on end, as everyone desperately tries to scrape together a few more smugglers tokens to improve their PvE setup.</p><p>It's always the same people in every match which gives no variety at all. Regularly only 1 side has significant premade groups, so there's also no excitement, there's often just - the random of if you end up on the side with the premades who win or the randoms who lose.</p><p>Smugglers is actually making me start to hate this game, no token exchange and regular pvp armour turn-over are massive negatives. I want to try and gear my character out the best possible, well now you're forced to do something you hate, and there's no letup ever, the new smugglers yawnfest required gear comes faster than you can even earn a quarter of it in RE/SP.</p><p>Forget token exchange, condense to 1 currency:</p><p>1/3 universal pvp token win/lose for gears</p><p>2/6 universal pvp token win/lose for ganak</p><p>3/9 universal pvp token win/lose for smugglers</p>

[Scythien]

Token exchanges should exist on the localised servers for sure. On the UK cluster, we have to wait for the weekends and get everyone queueing for Dens to get any Rums at all. Throughout the rest of the week we have to settle for Gears and some Ganaks in the evening. I have loads of Cogs stored up, but very few Rums. Fortunately the UK servers are due to be linked to the US servers so we shouldn't have a problem then. But the others, German, French, etc, I have no idea what their situation is and they may need an exchange merchant to have an adequate supply of rums. Maybe 5 Cogs = 1 Wheel, and 5 Wheels = 1 Rum or something.

[StaticLex]

<p><cite>Charlice@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How often do you think we'd get into Smugglers if we could just exchange tokens?  </p></blockquote><p>Again.. you're ignoring the actual problem.  If Smuggler's Den was <strong>fun</strong>, it would have people playing it NO MATTER WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TOKENS.  But you pro-Den people obviously know this isn't the case and that's why you're argueing against any sort of token changes.</p>

[AziBam]

<p><cite>snowline wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Forget token exchange, condense to 1 currency:</p><p>1/3 universal pvp token win/lose for gears</p><p>2/6 universal pvp token win/lose for ganak</p><p>3/9 universal pvp token win/lose for smugglers</p></blockquote><p>I like this. ^^ </p><p>I suppose you could argue that Ganak matches are often faster than Gears though.  (See thread about flag carrying and runspeed)  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Crismorn]

<p>This is a terrible idea.</p><p>People dont like smugglers because it takes longer then the others and they want gear faster.</p><p>Sorry, but gear is the reward for completing the content.  Either do the content or do not get the gear</p>

[StaticLex]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People dont like smugglers because it takes longer then the others and they want gear faster.</p></blockquote><p>Ya, that totally explains why people have 1000 gears in their bank.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People dont like smugglers because it takes longer then the others and they want gear faster.</p></blockquote><p>Ya, that totally explains why people have 1000 gears in their bank.</p></blockquote><p>Yep</p>

[snowli]

<p>Crismorn, sometimes it seems you are almost the only player defending smugglers as a great experience, lol. Certainly noone I know in game would play it by preference, not even those with tank alts.</p><p>Earning TSO shards didn't make everyone do all zones an equal amount of times, if there was a zone or zones you didn't like, you could skip it or do it rarely/just for quests and still enjoy the shard system overall. Smugglers makes me hate the BG system as a whole, because in order to enjoy two mostly fun BG activities I have to do one I detest completely, again and again and sodding again, and that horrible experience is infact more prevalent in terms of gaining rewards (used for nearly all the decent rewards).</p><p>It's bad design, my BG fun is being ruined by having to play the same awful sub-game I hate, in order to get the PvP gear for the alright subgames (and for PvE but that's a whole other topic).</p>

[Brynhild]

<p>So what if it's a 10 gears tokens give u 2 smugglers tokens? You can't possibly say doing 4-10 gears matches is worth doing 1-2 smugglers..  Smug isn't that bad if you have a decent group and it results in some decent fights, however the biggest problem is that it's not available most of the time. I can sit in the queue for 30 minutes and not get a smugglers, when gears and ganak come up almost instantly. THAT is the biggest problem.</p>

[snowli]

<p><cite>Brynhild wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So what if it's a 10 gears tokens give u 2 smugglers tokens? You can't possibly say doing 4-10 gears matches is worth doing 1-2 smugglers..  Smug isn't that bad if you have a decent group and it results in some decent fights, however the biggest problem is that it's not available most of the time. I can sit in the queue for 30 minutes and not get a smugglers, when gears and ganak come up almost instantly. THAT is the biggest problem.</p></blockquote><p>You could sit in Q for 5 days and not have smugglers come up in UK BG's, they only run saturdays, and sometimes sundays, except this weekend of course, all BG's for RE/SP are broken, people Q-ing for hours for ANY match and none starting.</p><p>1 universal pvp token currency is the best solution, even when UK can eventually join US BG's (they're looking into it) that still leaves the non-english EU servers just as screwed, and unable to buy 90% of the worthwhile gear because they still won't be able to earn the tokens.</p>

[Trynt]

<p><cite>snowline wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brynhild wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So what if it's a 10 gears tokens give u 2 smugglers tokens? You can't possibly say doing 4-10 gears matches is worth doing 1-2 smugglers..  Smug isn't that bad if you have a decent group and it results in some decent fights, however the biggest problem is that it's not available most of the time. I can sit in the queue for 30 minutes and not get a smugglers, when gears and ganak come up almost instantly. THAT is the biggest problem.</p></blockquote><p>You could sit in Q for 5 days and not have smugglers come up in UK BG's, they only run saturdays, and sometimes sundays, except this weekend of course, all BG's for RE/SP are broken, people Q-ing for hours for ANY match and none starting.</p><p>1 universal pvp token currency is the best solution, even when UK can eventually join US BG's (they're looking into it) that still leaves the non-english EU servers just as screwed, and unable to buy 90% of the worthwhile gear because they still won't be able to earn the tokens.</p></blockquote><p>The population problems of a few servers shouldn't change the system for all servers.  If you're advocating a UK/EU specific change, fine... you've got support.  If you're suggesting all servers should change, not fine... no.</p>

[Davish_Darkwolf]

<p>Learn your lesson  EU servers suck and there's no advantage at all playing in there.</p><p>Im from europe myself and got into U.S. servers since day one.</p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Charlice@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How often do you think we'd get into Smugglers if we could just exchange tokens?  </p></blockquote><p>Again.. you're ignoring the actual problem.  If Smuggler's Den was <strong>fun</strong>, it would have people playing it NO MATTER WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TOKENS.  But you pro-Den people obviously know this isn't the case and that's why you're argueing against any sort of token changes.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think I'm ignoring this so called 'problem' unless you mean EU servers. I wouldn't say I'm pro-den either but I still find it fun win or lose.</p><p>If you don't want to do Smugglers don't. It's that simple. You just won't get the tokens.</p>

[Hellswrath]

<p><cite>Charlice@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Charlice@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>How often do you think we'd get into Smugglers if we could just exchange tokens?  </p></blockquote><p>Again.. you're ignoring the actual problem.  If Smuggler's Den was <strong>fun</strong>, it would have people playing it NO MATTER WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TOKENS.  But you pro-Den people obviously know this isn't the case and that's why you're argueing against any sort of token changes.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think I'm ignoring this so called 'problem' unless you mean EU servers. I wouldn't say I'm pro-den either but I still find it fun win or lose.</p><p>If you don't want to do Smugglers don't. It's that simple. You just won't get the tokens.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry but this is a terrible argument.  It is about as effective as the "if you want PvP gear roll a toon on a PvP server" argument we heard.</p><p>No one interested in BG can escape the necessity of Smuggler's.  If you want to be effective in the other BG zones, you need the gear, which means you need Den tokens ==> Must run den . . . a LOT.  Simply choosing not to do this one zone would completely handicap a player looking to play the other two.</p><p>Now that being said, I'm somewhat impartial as to the token exchange.  I play on a US server during normal hours and, while it sometimes takes far too long, getting into a Den run isn't too difficult.  I even enjoy a good Den group that knows how to communicate, win or lose.  However, I feel that those on EU servers that have serious issues getting into Den matches have a point. </p><p>I don't think token exchange is and idea that should be brushed off so easily.  Obviously, it would need to be reduced returns on the token you are trying to trade for.  But the inaccessability of Den runs for some of the player base does warrant some action, be it token exchange or some other idea.</p>

[Elwin]

<p>Why is there a need for everything to be easy mode? If token exchange was available on US servers EVERYONE that plays on BG would have the gear already.</p><p>Yes the <strong>EU servers</strong> do have a very strong point, and for them I can understand the idea of token exchange. But to make token exchange avail for the US servers is just pure laziness because folk couldn't be bothered running Smugglers. And you call what 20 minutes max a long time? Oh please.</p><p>I moved my toons from a EU server a while ago. They always have and probably always will be doing everything EQ with a disadvantage.</p><p>As for rolling a toon on a PVP server, that's where I started and I still have some there. BG is not PvP imo but it sure is fun.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p>Okay let me start by saying I have farmed PvE zones over 80 times to get gear.  I have camped place holders FOREVER to get the named to Pop back in the day so I could get a quest update.  This is indeed part of the game, I even embrace it to an extent.</p><p>However the Smugglers Den issue is very different.  Its not a matter of getting at least something for your time.  I camped the place holders and got chests, go exp for kills, coin etc.  Same for multiple instance runs.  However if I do what would be the equivilent of zoning into NHT, namely qeue for smugglers den, more often than not I get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Thats right, nothing, because me and my group mates are apparently the only ones qeueing for it. </p><p>This makes the scenario very different.  The thing about grinding and the RNG is that you get SOMETHING for your effort, if you qeue and get nothing...that is something that needs to be addressed.  I am not saying how to address it, but clearly its an issue.</p>

[Elwin]

<p><cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Okay let me start by saying I have farmed PvE zones over 80 times to get gear.  I have camped place holders FOREVER to get the named to Pop back in the day so I could get a quest update.  This is indeed part of the game, I even embrace it to an extent.</p><p>However the Smugglers Den issue is very different.  Its not a matter of getting at least something for your time.  I camped the place holders and got chests, go exp for kills, coin etc.  Same for multiple instance runs.  However if I do what would be the equivilent of zoning into NHT, namely qeue for smugglers den, more often than not I get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Thats right, nothing, because me and my group mates are apparently the only ones qeueing for it. </p><p>This makes the scenario very different.  The thing about grinding and the RNG is that you get SOMETHING for your effort, if you qeue and get nothing...that is something that needs to be addressed.  I am not saying how to address it, but clearly its an issue.</p></blockquote><p>Is that on a EU server?</p>

[Gisallo]

Nope ldl, a NA server. I was warned about this issue before too. I just got into doing battlegrounds, but my guildmates who love it said "if u want to do smugglers den good luck, it rarely qeues.". I found this to be the case. If it's even worse in the EU, god help em.

[Elwin]

<p>I've never waited more than around 5 minutes for a Smugglers run /shrugs..</p><p>There's new gear coming out anyway, who knows what tokens we'll need for that. </p>

[Gisallo]

Admittedly I just got into BG stuff the last couple of weeks. From reading the various threads though I think I know what the issue is. Most people hate the smuggler's map. I have,kt even gotten a chanve to see it yet. I qeue for 15 minutes then switch to Ganak. I think the issue is that when BG started people who were waiting for that launch (I didn't care) did smugglers den for the gear and then stopped. Those of us coming in late are kinda in the position of being a minority that now needs something that the "originals" already moved on from. My idea would be have 2 prices. Each match is X amount of time. Work out how much time it would take to 40 ganak and 40 smugglers using 13 victories and 1 defeat. Then applie that same time to ganak and klak. My experience is that klak is pretty quick so u would need to do A LOT more runs to equal the time. In this way the same amount of work is put forward for the same reward.

[Crismorn]

<p>Get to level 90, most people have been 90 for a long time by now</p>

[Gisallo]

<p>ummm...I am lvl 90, have been since the end of the first week of early release.  Please if you are going to make statements or suggestions sir, actually know of what u speak first.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ummm...I am lvl 90, have been since the end of the first week of early release.  Please if you are going to make statements or suggestions sir, actually know of what u speak first.</p></blockquote><p>Well in the 400+ smugglers runs I've done the longest wait has been 10 minutes and that was maybe twice, the average wait time is between 10-20 seconds</p>

[StaticLex]

<p>lol I've run Den at all times of the day and I've waited for one for at least 20 minutes more than a few times.  And no I don't play on a Euro server.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>StaticLex wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol I've run Den at all times of the day and I've waited for one for at least 20 minutes more than a few times.  And no I don't play on a Euro server.</p></blockquote><p>How very unlucky of you</p>

[StaticLex]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Gisallo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>ummm...I am lvl 90, have been since the end of the first week of early release.  Please if you are going to make statements or suggestions sir, actually know of what u speak first.</p></blockquote><p>Well in the 400+ smugglers runs I've done the longest wait has been 10 minutes and that was maybe twice, the average wait time is between 10-20 seconds</p></blockquote><p>How very lucky of you!</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>I've been lucky 400+ times in a row! woot</p>

[urgthock]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been lucky 400+ times in a row! woot</p></blockquote><p>Or you're lying. *gasp* Yes... people lie on the interwebs.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've been lucky 400+ times in a row! woot</p></blockquote><p>Or you're lying. *gasp* Yes... people lie on the interwebs.</p></blockquote><p>Well you can tell that to my 650 smugglers rums in my bags and the 16 pieces of bg gear that I've purchased</p><p>edit.  typo</p>