I see nothing about helping the guardian class

[Shorcon]

<p>Please for the love of god look into and help the guardian class. They are so underpowered its not even funny. They should be moved to the crusader sub-class and move the SK to the warrior class. Please give the guardians some heavy love. They need it in pve and pvp.</p>

[Landiin]

I wanna say something here but it'll do no good and I am tired of begging so w/e.

[Rocc]

<p>Well there have been changes to autoattack. With gear that procs, double attack, haste and the fastest weapon you can find for your primary and secondary slots, you will be pleasently surprised when duel wielding in offensive stance now. Does this dps spec sacrifice stamina? Yes. The STR gear a scout would adorn is your new target upgrades (in plate ofcoarse). But a focus on STR over stamina and fast weapons versus slow will be a huge change for many of us. Especially since our myths are 4.0. Find a couple sticks that proc and throw in two superior blasting adornments.</p><p> Jump on testcopy and try it out. I think you'll like what you see!</p>

[Landiin]

<p>Oh I have, that does nothing to fix guardians though. The way AAttack is now on test can't be allowed to go live. Plate tanks DPS as high or even close to wizards and sins is just asinine IMO.</p>

[Rocc]

<p><cite>Toranx@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oh I have, that does nothing to fix guardians though. The way AAttack is now on test can't be allowed to go live. Plate tanks DPS as high or even close to wizards and sins is just asinine IMO.</p></blockquote><p>It's not the tank thats doing the DPS, it's the gear. The autoattack change uses us as a bridge to proc the gear. If anything gets a nerf it would be the BG gear that procs damage. But then they would have to do tox drops and tons of other SF fabled items. So that will never happen.</p><p>My point is as a zerker I rely heavily on maintaining single target agro with a combination of DPS and taunts. The gear proc ratio allows me to tank in offensive for groups or defensive and still dual wield for raids (have not tanked an SF raid in this spec yet). If someone told me they were using two sticks instead of a stick and board I would call them crazy. But in this situation the end more than justifies the means. And agro control is the name of the game.</p><p>What I'm saying is yes, guards need more agro control to climb back into that top MT spot for single targets. And zerkers need the same for multi target encounters. But these autoattack changes and gear upgrades effect guards as much as us zerks. The one thing I'm leaving out is that these changes also effect scouts. I dont think any of the scouts I've grouped with on test are geared nearly as well as my zerker. But I fear when they are, this will put us back to square one. But without rangers and assassins in your group or MT group and with a troubs UT or dirge, this could be a valuable raid tanking spec we can look foward to (minus scout hate buffs). And something's better than nothing right?</p>

[EvilAstroboy]

<p>Guardians got a lot of love in SF beta. They are currently the best raid tank and an adequate group tank.</p><p>Guards I have grouped with have had less aggro issues than Crusaders in SF.  So what is it that you think Guards need more of? DPS? Guards are fine the way they are - meatshields.</p><p>The only classes that are out of whack still are Brawlers (mostly monks) and Illusionists.</p>

[Landiin]

<p><cite>EvilAstroboy wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Guardians got a lot of love in SF beta. They are currently the best raid tank and an adequate group tank.</p><p>Guards I have grouped with have had less aggro issues than Crusaders in SF.  So what is it that you think Guards need more of? DPS? Guards are fine the way they are - meatshields.</p><p>The only classes that are out of whack still are Brawlers (mostly monks) and Illusionists.</p></blockquote><p>What? Guards have less agro issues then crusaders? U sir need to get out of ur shell and join the real world. Guards have TONS more agro issues then crusaders. Yes SF did a lot for our agro issues but we still need at least one hate xfer in our group to get us close to crusaders.</p>