Death of the Blords..?

[Anbesol]

<p>I know this is a taboo topic as to having the profession in game, but what is the lore on their disappearance from norrath? I'm just curious as to where they went and what happened to them during the shattering.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>There is no explanation. Nobody in the game ever acknowledges that they ever existed.</p>

[Anbesol]

<p>Wow....That is just lazy to omit EQ1 history....there should at least be some reason they left norrath, (kind of like BSG with the cylons, exiling themselves waiting for the opportunity to strike) although they will never return....Still they could have been wrote out of the story.</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>I think they were all eaten by their pets.</p>

[Anbesol]

<p><cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think they were all eaten by their pets.</p></blockquote><p>That OR, Voidmen abducted all of them, and fused them and thier pets together, creating voidbeasts.</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p>I'm glad they don't exist. They were annoying and every 13 yr old in the world made one and then they got psuedo-popular and made way OP.</p><p>Good bye bl's <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rainmare]

<p>actually I think a dev siad a long time ago when someone wondered about the lore of it was that there is only one left. I think the basic premise is that the teachings died out. you could theorize the ogre BLs died in the 2nd rallosian war from teh greenmist...the kerran/vah shir ones all died when luclin exploded. the barb ones died when Halas was lost...though that leaves us with what happened to all the troll bls. maybe the broken skull got rid of them.</p><p>or with the eq2 all race/all class thing...you could argue that in the last 500 years, the races that held those secrets forsook them in favor of 'greater' power in wizardry/conjuration/necromancy</p>

[Mirander_1]

<p>They were having a b-lord convention in Shar Vahl when the Nexus Invasion occurred...</p><p>Let that be a lesson to you, don't have work conventions on moons with a core of unstable magic rock (although I suppose hindsight is 20/20 on that one).</p>

[Rocc]

<p>I thought for SURE that Halas would introduce BL's back into EQ lore. I'm very disappointed not only because the lack of lore but the lack of a new playable race such as the BL. I think a couple years ago a thread ran for a few weeks with 90% of the community wanting to either see the return of the BL or some lore acknowledging their whereabouts since the Shattering.</p><p>If a specific race could not survive do to (?) reasons that would be understanable. But an entire class? Every class has evolved. Druids, Wizards, Paladins, etc. Most classes have 2 opposite archtypes but the original EQ class remained with exception of enchanters and BL's. Why is that? Enchanters at least have identical traits as coercers and illy's. But conjurors and hemroids (I mean necroids) only share one thing in common with a BL and thats a fighting pet. Their both casters and do zero melee for the most part.</p><p>Seriously.... how hard would it be to introduce a melee based pet class?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rocc@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought for SURE that Halas would introduce BL's back into EQ lore. I'm very disappointed not only because the lack of lore but the lack of a new playable race such as the BL. I think a couple years ago a thread ran for a few weeks with 90% of the community wanting to either see the return of the BL or some lore acknowledging their whereabouts since the Shattering.</p><p>If a specific race could not survive do to (?) reasons that would be understanable. But an entire class? Every class has evolved. Druids, Wizards, Paladins, etc. Most classes have 2 opposite archtypes but the original EQ class remained with exception of enchanters and BL's. Why is that? Enchanters at least have identical traits as coercers and illy's. But conjurors and hemroids (I mean necroids) only share one thing in common with a BL and thats a fighting pet. Their both casters and do zero melee for the most part.</p><p>Seriously.... how hard would it be to introduce a melee based pet class?</p></blockquote><p>They are a class, not a race, and SoE has put their foot down with a loud emphatic "NO!" to the question of whether this class would ever be put into the game.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">My Leading Theory, Just before the godlings left Tunare collected all the BL's and brought them before the Tribunal to settle whether oe not BL's having pets constituted as Slavery since they where living creatures rather then spirits who a compat was made with.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">The Case is still dragging in the courts. </span></p>

[Meirril]

<p>The B-word was considered so powerful of a technique that they were moved from the player's list to the monster list. You can find B-lords wandering every major zone of Norrath with several pets in tow.</p><p>It is said that if any hero were to master this form of combat again that the planes would tremble and the gods would rise up as one to make sure they were not threatened by the return of the 'lords fore it is well know that the 'lords lead the many raids into the god's realms that lead the gods to forsake Norrath for 500 years. They will not let this menace rise again.</p><p>The gods also knew the 'lords secret weakness. Phat Lewts. If the 'lords could not obtain the Phat Lewts they would dwindle in number and move on. By withdrawing their influence from Norrath the 'lords were denied what they most desired and perished.</p><p>Finally, 'Lords were found to be an unwholesome influence on young minds and the practice was outlawed in all civilized areas. A few 'Lords gave up their animal husbantry ways, but the majority has to be brought to justice by the guard and SPCA. It is still rumored that a few escaped and now live amongst the Unkempt Druids. If your lucky enough, and desperate, you might be able to find them and hire...the B'Lords. <cue A-Team music></p><p>Hopefully one of these explinations covers your basic desires. If it doesn't, I'd suggest loading up your old EQ1 account and returning to the Land that Was via the Wayback Machine where B'Lords are free to roam and sheep are scared.</p>

[Rocc]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">My Leading Theory, Just before the godlings left Tunare collected all the BL's and brought them before the Tribunal to settle whether oe not BL's having pets constituted as Slavery since they where living creatures rather then spirits who a compat was made with.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">The Case is still dragging in the courts. </span></p></blockquote><p>AP Reports:</p><p>The Supreme Tribunal overruled the previous decision of the Tribunal to allow slavery of SOME animals. Specifically panthers, pandas with nunchucks and Quacker pets from DoF. Upon further investigation of the Supreme Tribunal it was found that these three pets have tormented Norrath for far too long. An overpopulation of said animals was deemed "Within the realm of the law" to abuse, neglect and feed Kiara's cookies to. An appeal has be filed by conjurors and necroids but more than likely will be denied due to insufficient evidence.</p>

[ashen1973]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rocc@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought for SURE that Halas would introduce BL's back into EQ lore. I'm very disappointed not only because the lack of lore but the lack of a new playable race such as the BL. I think a couple years ago a thread ran for a few weeks with 90% of the community wanting to either see the return of the BL or some lore acknowledging their whereabouts since the Shattering.</p><p>If a specific race could not survive do to (?) reasons that would be understanable. But an entire class? Every class has evolved. Druids, Wizards, Paladins, etc. Most classes have 2 opposite archtypes but the original EQ class remained with exception of enchanters and BL's. Why is that? Enchanters at least have identical traits as coercers and illy's. But conjurors and hemroids (I mean necroids) only share one thing in common with a BL and thats a fighting pet. Their both casters and do zero melee for the most part.</p><p>Seriously.... how hard would it be to introduce a melee based pet class?</p></blockquote><p>They are a class, not a race, and SoE has put their foot down with a loud emphatic "NO!" to the question of whether this class would ever be put into the game.</p></blockquote><p>Although I believe that we will never see BL's in EQ2, never say never.</p><p>SOE said we would 'never' get RMT in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' see pvp in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' have a sitting animation in EQ2 (well, we still may never see this one, but, at least a dev is now looking into it again)</p><p>Things change, company goals more than most. We now have a new lead producer and he will be making changes to the direction of EQ2, if these will be vast or tiny changes is yet to be seen, but, you never know, Mr Smokejumper may be a closet Beastylordy fan! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rocc@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought for SURE that Halas would introduce BL's back into EQ lore. I'm very disappointed not only because the lack of lore but the lack of a new playable race such as the BL. I think a couple years ago a thread ran for a few weeks with 90% of the community wanting to either see the return of the BL or some lore acknowledging their whereabouts since the Shattering.</p><p>If a specific race could not survive do to (?) reasons that would be understanable. But an entire class? Every class has evolved. Druids, Wizards, Paladins, etc. Most classes have 2 opposite archtypes but the original EQ class remained with exception of enchanters and BL's. Why is that? Enchanters at least have identical traits as coercers and illy's. But conjurors and hemroids (I mean necroids) only share one thing in common with a BL and thats a fighting pet. Their both casters and do zero melee for the most part.</p><p>Seriously.... how hard would it be to introduce a melee based pet class?</p></blockquote><p>They are a class, not a race, and SoE has put their foot down with a loud emphatic "NO!" to the question of whether this class would ever be put into the game.</p></blockquote><p>Although I believe that we will never see BL's in EQ2, never say never.</p><p>SOE said we would 'never' get RMT in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' see pvp in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' have a sitting animation in EQ2 (well, we still may never see this one, but, at least a dev is now looking into it again)</p><p>Things change, company goals more than most. We now have a new lead producer and he will be making changes to the direction of EQ2, if these will be vast or tiny changes is yet to be seen, but, you never know, Mr Smokejumper may be a closet Beastylordy fan! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No. They banned the word on this forum for a reason. This is the one issue where No means No. They will not add any new classes until they *PERFECTLY* balance out all classes in both PVE and PVP. In other words, NEVER, as it is impossible to accomplish.</p>

[ashen1973]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rocc@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought for SURE that Halas would introduce BL's back into EQ lore. I'm very disappointed not only because the lack of lore but the lack of a new playable race such as the BL. I think a couple years ago a thread ran for a few weeks with 90% of the community wanting to either see the return of the BL or some lore acknowledging their whereabouts since the Shattering.</p><p>If a specific race could not survive do to (?) reasons that would be understanable. But an entire class? Every class has evolved. Druids, Wizards, Paladins, etc. Most classes have 2 opposite archtypes but the original EQ class remained with exception of enchanters and BL's. Why is that? Enchanters at least have identical traits as coercers and illy's. But conjurors and hemroids (I mean necroids) only share one thing in common with a BL and thats a fighting pet. Their both casters and do zero melee for the most part.</p><p>Seriously.... how hard would it be to introduce a melee based pet class?</p></blockquote><p>They are a class, not a race, and SoE has put their foot down with a loud emphatic "NO!" to the question of whether this class would ever be put into the game.</p></blockquote><p>Although I believe that we will never see BL's in EQ2, never say never.</p><p>SOE said we would 'never' get RMT in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' see pvp in EQ2, SOE said we would 'never' have a sitting animation in EQ2 (well, we still may never see this one, but, at least a dev is now looking into it again)</p><p>Things change, company goals more than most. We now have a new lead producer and he will be making changes to the direction of EQ2, if these will be vast or tiny changes is yet to be seen, but, you never know, Mr Smokejumper may be a closet Beastylordy fan! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No. They banned the word on this forum for a reason. This is the one issue where No means No. They will not add any new classes until they *PERFECTLY* balance out all classes in both PVE and PVP. In other words, NEVER, as it is impossible to accomplish.</p></blockquote><p><p>infact,bl's was added to the filter as part of the running joke around the class and how many times it gets mentioned and asked for. (if it wasnt part of a joke and was done in a serious manner then its got to be one of themost stupid uses of moderation i've seen on these boards, and, as a joke, i think its gone to far and its about time people were allowed to use it again)</p><p>and, far to many people read tomuch into one devs throw away, humorous comment 'we will introduce bl's as soon as we balance every other class'.</p><p>As i said, we have had devs post , with complete certainty, that certain things will never happen, and these definite no's still do occur.</p><p>i personally dont believe that we will ever see another class in EQ2, but, no-one can say for certain, not even the current DEv staff know exactly whats on the cards for the next expac, let alone the one after that and the ones after that.</p><p>i bet the players and the devs of SWG would never have guessed, even a year before it happened, that every class would be removed and replaced by a much smaller list of classes, but it happened.</p><p>When the head of the division (Mr Smedley  himself) makes an official comment, in an official statement that will will never see RMT within EQ2 and then, less than 18 months later, introduces said RMt, that must give you some indication that all things concerning development are fluid, ideas and goals change, nothing is set in stone, nothjing can be said to be a certainty not to happen.</p><p>Heck, Sony corporate could decide, at any moment, that the online entertainment division resources would make more profit if turned to other projects and all SOE online games could be scrapped with very little notice. Not likely to happen, but possible.</p><p>never say never</p></p>

[Anbesol]

<p>Why is this thread being trolled, and derailed...? This was a lore centered discussion...NOT A "why isn't this class included with this game" discussion....I was just wondering why there is no lore on their disappearance. TROLLS [Removed for Content] MY THREAD, OR KEEP IT ON THE TOPIC OF MY OP =P Ritilin should be administered to some of these posters, their train of thought is suspect [Removed for Content]. L2 Follow the opening post, and remember where this was posted( HISTORY AND LORE), That being said... this thread should be locked since there is nothing of worth being discussed, that has not been repeated in other forums.</p>

[ashen1973]

<p><cite>craah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why is this thread being trolled, and derailed...? This was a lore centered discussion...NOT A "why isn't this class included with this game" discussion....I was just wondering why there is no lore on their disappearance. TROLLS [Removed for Content] MY THREAD, OR KEEP IT ON THE TOPIC OF MY OP =P L2 Follow the opening thread for christ sakes kids.</p></blockquote><p>Picks up rattle from floor, leans over pram and hands it back to craah :p</p><p>in all seriousness, as soon as you hit the 'submit' button this ceased being 'your thread' and became an open discussion.</p><p>As is the way of these things discussions evolve and change  (and, some times, just the mention of certain things will almost always lead a discussion to the same point)</p><p>Anyway, back to your original point....</p><p>A lot of things have changed since EQ1 and there is not always lore to support the changes. This is after all a game, the mechanics come first,the lore is written to fit around the mechanics.</p><p>Although it would be great to have a back story behind everything and major points, such as the complete disappearance of a whole class, probably do deserve some attention, sometimes we just have to form our own lore and just make do with that.</p>

[Anbesol]

<p><cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>craah wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why is this thread being trolled, and derailed...? This was a lore centered discussion...NOT A "why isn't this class included with this game" discussion....I was just wondering why there is no lore on their disappearance. TROLLS [Removed for Content] MY THREAD, OR KEEP IT ON THE TOPIC OF MY OP =P L2 Follow the opening thread for christ sakes kids.</p></blockquote><p>Picks up rattle from floor, leans over pram and hands it back to craah :p</p><p>in all seriousness, as soon as you hit the 'submit' button this ceased being 'your thread' and became an open discussion.</p></blockquote><p>I Lol'd......people take this stuff way too seriously</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>Yeah, as stated before (I believe at FF), the devs said the teachings were lost to time.</p><p>The closest you can come is a shammy with their pets, and spec'ing the pets to be more than just a fluff-buff.</p>

[Eruditessay]

<p>I seem to recall them saying EQ1 and EQ2 follow different timelines  so what happened in EQ1 might not of happened in EQ2     </p><p>  Personally id like to see the Blrd back, it's  not like we dont have OP'd classes anyways</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah, as stated before (I believe at FF), the devs said the teachings were lost to time.</p><p>The closest you can come is a shammy with their pets, and spec'ing the pets to be more than just a fluff-buff.</p></blockquote><p>Wardens running charm animal come close too, if you can overlook that annoying tendency for your pet to try and chew your arm off every minuite or so...</p>

[Eritius]

<p>They learned how to use Guns and Bows and left for Azeroth.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They learned how to use Guns and Bows and left for Azeroth.</p></blockquote><p>So they learned to use a gun and a bow but forgot how to heal, ward, and melee like a monk?</p><p>Back when I was playing EQ1 BL's were considered to be nearly as good as a shaman (minus the power regen), DPS as well as a monk, and they had a pet which was almost as good as having an under geared fighter with you. A great BL was as good as having 2 other competent players with you. Even bad BLs were as good as any well geared and competent DPS class with some light healing thrown in.</p><p>Try to imagine an EQ2 SK pre-nerf, and now give him paladin heals and a conjuror's tank pet with 3 pets stances for agro, defense and dps. Pretend the pet stances actually make a huge difference and that comes close to what it was like.</p>

[Uncaged]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They learned how to use Guns and Bows and left for Azeroth.</p></blockquote><p>So they learned to use a gun and a bow but forgot how to heal, ward, and melee like a monk?</p><p>Back when I was playing EQ1 BL's were considered to be nearly as good as a shaman (minus the power regen), DPS as well as a monk, and they had a pet which was almost as good as having an under geared fighter with you. A great BL was as good as having 2 other competent players with you. Even bad BLs were as good as any well geared and competent DPS class with some light healing thrown in.</p><p>Try to imagine an EQ2 SK pre-nerf, and now give him paladin heals and a conjuror's tank pet with 3 pets stances for agro, defense and dps. Pretend the pet stances actually make a huge difference and that comes close to what it was like.</p></blockquote><p>Well as one who enjoyed playing a BL up to Gates, I am not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps later on BL's became Ubah, but I never saw it. Their slows were often resisted and not nearly what shamen had. Heals were weak and pet could off-tank for a min or so but only with the BL losing big dps to heal his pet. I will say my DPS was top notch but I was by no means Ubah. Perhaps with max AA some became Ubah but I knew Paly's with max AA that were really Ubah.</p><p>Any class geared right and with correct AA spent can be a force to be reckoned with. Especially if the player knows what the hell they are doing. BL could do many things but master of none. And had a smallish mana pool. No way a BL could subplant a shaman for healing but then most people didnt count on shammies for heals anyhow. Most were slowers/hasters and buff bots. But EQlive shammies could canni for untouchable mana pools. But I digress.</p><p>/rant off</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yeah, as stated before (I believe at FF), the devs said the teachings were lost to time.</p><p>The closest you can come is a shammy with their pets, and spec'ing the pets to be more than just a fluff-buff.</p></blockquote><p>Wardens running charm animal come close too, if you can overlook that annoying tendency for your pet to try and chew your arm off every minuite or so...</p></blockquote><p>True, but they don't have the spell lines and abilies like Shamies do, in comparison to BL's.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Grimknight@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>They learned how to use Guns and Bows and left for Azeroth.</p></blockquote><p>So they learned to use a gun and a bow but forgot how to heal, ward, and melee like a monk?</p><p>Back when I was playing EQ1 BL's were considered to be nearly as good as a shaman (minus the power regen), DPS as well as a monk, and they had a pet which was almost as good as having an under geared fighter with you. A great BL was as good as having 2 other competent players with you. Even bad BLs were as good as any well geared and competent DPS class with some light healing thrown in.</p><p>Try to imagine an EQ2 SK pre-nerf, and now give him paladin heals and a conjuror's tank pet with 3 pets stances for agro, defense and dps. Pretend the pet stances actually make a huge difference and that comes close to what it was like.</p></blockquote><p>Well as one who enjoyed playing a BL up to Gates, I am not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps later on BL's became Ubah, but I never saw it. Their slows were often resisted and not nearly what shamen had. Heals were weak and pet could off-tank for a min or so but only with the BL losing big dps to heal his pet. I will say my DPS was top notch but I was by no means Ubah. Perhaps with max AA some became Ubah but I knew Paly's with max AA that were really Ubah.</p><p>Any class geared right and with correct AA spent can be a force to be reckoned with. Especially if the player knows what the hell they are doing. BL could do many things but master of none. And had a smallish mana pool. No way a BL could subplant a shaman for healing but then most people didnt count on shammies for heals anyhow. Most were slowers/hasters and buff bots. But EQlive shammies could canni for untouchable mana pools. But I digress.</p><p>/rant off</p></blockquote><p>The Blords were actually overpowered on release, but insanely overpowered, they got highly nerfed earlier on and right now on eq1 they are a pretty solid class.</p><p>As far as Blords just poofing, I, like many others, think its dumb and their reason is lame because yeah ... its lame lol They need to add them at one point -shrug-</p>

[vochore]

<p>dodnt think i can find it any more but many years ago when eq2 was still in develpment blords where still supposed to be in the game but as a subclass of monks but then they desided to go with the class structure that the game first launched with which lasted what...about a year or so then they just scraped all the sub,sub classes to what we have now.</p><p>i have a feeling that if they ever did add our much beloved blords back into the game it would have to be a mager exp and sofar since launch i still have yet to see an expansion that i would call mager in any way shape or form.</p><p>expansions like shadows of luclin or velious....now those where big expansions.</p>

[Dharken]

<p>Blords were reduced back to the classes they hybridized out of... that or they forgot what their bloddy abilities were in the first place... you know like Magicians becoming conjurers... and forgetting how to summon armor, weapons, items, bags, jewelery... ~_~</p>

[iceriven2]

<p>I understand why they wont add another class, Although CoH style epic powers/classes would be cool. </p><p>But i never understood why they dont intergrate the blord idea into another class.  Blords are monks with pets right?  why not introduce an AA line that give monk/bruisers awesome non tanking dps via a pet, there go u have ghetto eq2 Blords.   And the cherry on top would be the endlines givving titles and that particular endline give the title Blords.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I think they made us all Weretigers instead.</span></p>