Fury trouble, need advice please.

[Mattax]

<p>My main is a 90 fury and currently has 5 BG fabled pieces. The problem I had playing the fury, was no matter who I targetted, 1 on 1 I couldn't kill anyone. Now, please don't reply with "learn to play your class" because that is what I am trying to do here. He is a 5.5year old toon, but was put to one side for quite some time, and atm has only 172 AA's.</p><p>I became so frustrated with barely being able to damage anyone, never mind kill them, I completely respecced him, so now I don't even bother trying to do any DPS. So my fury heals,cures, roots and hopes someone else is around to kill the opposition.</p><p>I read somewhere that because the fury damage was spell based it was reduced along with the mage damage.</p><p>I feel sure that the class can't be so broken it can't kill any opponents, so that leaves.......me doing something wrong.</p><p>I've just got a coercer up to mid 80's and have no problem in Bg's  with him which proves I'm not totally incompetant, but I'd love to know where I'm going wrong with the fury.</p><p>Thanks in advance for any helpfull advice or tips offered.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>It wasn't a "Mage" nerf, it was a "spell" nerf, so certainly any class that uses spells to do damage was impacted.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>Why would you not post on the fury post that is already up?...</p><p>You need more AA, and better gear. You wear leather, if you only have 5 pieces your mit is low and your resists are low, not to mention your toughness. You need to be very well geared unfortunitly, furies aren't super powerful on either side ( heal or DpS) so you need to get gear. You might think you are, but you're not a DpS class in PvP. With the spell resist change you're not going to be running around DpS'in and taking everyone down. Your job is to HEAL, then when your group is all caught up on heals and you see the other team faulting is when you jump in and help seal the deal. furies were really ment to be secondary healers (consider your myth) and thats why we have the option to DpS. Your really a moderator, you make sure your group is set. And you should hope someone is around to kill your opponents, you're a healer, in PvP you shouldn't have the DpS to push though tanks and scouts no problem. But you can keep your group up and help push through that final DpS. Another thing to think about is you have AE spells, one that hits pretty hard and another that ticks over time and you can move while casting (wrath, you need AA for this!). These are very usefull when you are fighting a group with a shaman in it. As the group starts to faulter and you see the shaman throw up a group ward, throw an AE at them, thats a big help for your DpS to push through to their target.</p><p>And even though you don't want to hear it, learn to play your character... But even more than that, learn other classes. You can't hope to push threw every group the same way. Start thinking, that (insert class) does this, so I really need to make sure to do this.</p>

[Dojac]

<p>First and foremost remember you're primarily a healer, DPS is secondary.  Second 172 AA is ridiculously low in BG.  AA is essential and its the difference between life and death in PvP.  If you're goin up against a player from a red server they will have at the very least 200 AA (except for my gimped ranger who i didn't touch at all  during TSO....if you see nogod dont make fun of him) most should be topped out at 250.  PvP players are insane about their AA and a huge motivation to reach the LvL cap is so we can start dumping all of our XP into AA.  </p><p>Keep doing BGs though, I can't think of a faster way to earn AA, just make sure you have alot of people between you and the enemy and make sure to keep them alive. </p>

[quetzaqotl]

<p>There is an imbalance between healers just like there is in pve (shaman/cleric>druid well fury especially on the heal front), also we have some power problems in pve pvp.</p><p>This all is overcomeable tho if you know how to play your class and have better gear+more aas.</p><p>The comment on how furies are secondary healers is nonsense tho, never were furies labeled by the dev team as secondary healers I play this class since 2004 was away during tso and came back again for sf, we were promised a druid overhaul and they only half delivered.</p><p>Still you'll have fun running bg once you stop dying in one or two hits bc of crappy gear/aas lol.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>Really?</p><p>Is that why we have a myth buff to buff up another healers heals when we DpS?</p><p>Theres no doubt we have the ability to solo heal, but any other equally good healer of another class will out heal you and be at about half power when you run out.</p><p>Next time you PvP try running around with a shamon in your group and see if your if you do't shine a bit brighter pushing out DpS and filling heals as needed</p>

[quetzaqotl]

<p>The mythical buff is kinda cool in a twisted way, the mythic buff is made for raids foremost it adds to our raid desireability, the first mythic effect was raid wide feast.</p><p>Many people complained about the mythic effect (feast too but Im talking about the +heal one now) and how it wasnt a buff to ourselves but to other healers to make them heal better (on paper it is lame).</p><p>After all the balancing in lu13 etc. making duids= to other healers and devs posts I never heard they were thinking lets make the fury class the secondary healer class only the mythic buff suggests that a bit but shoehorning a class on a revamped mythic effect is kinda nonsense.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>I'm glad you know your history, now work on the classes.</p><p>So... Shamons heal damage before it happens correct? And clerics proc heals as it happens correct?</p><p>And druids heal damage after the fact. That to me alone shows that we are secondary (dare I say thirdary?) healers. I solo heal PvP groups all the time no problem. But if I run up against a group with a good healer of another class, I get put in a tight spot.</p><p>How often do you see a fury in the main tank group healing? Or when do you see a fury out DpSing assins and wizards? Everything to me about the fury says secondary. You're there to push out DpS and fill heals as needed. Keep up your group HoT and single target heal if nessasary.</p><p>Arrogance is is overcomerable if you know your class.</p>

[quetzaqotl]

<p>druids were promised (pre sf) an overhaul on their hots making them more useful as in wards/reactives/hots that never happend ofc.</p><p>Every healer has a secondary plus: debuffs/def-off buffing etc. Ive raided 3 years from t5 till t8 and have seen different raid setups, yes Ive raided in the mt group, Ive seen wardens in the mt often too but thats a couple of expansions back ofc. imo id like to see wardens made useful enough for the mt grp in raids again.</p><p>Not sure how raids have anything to do with furies being sec healers tho, as there are quite some healers in raid and normally the fury is the primary healer of the mage group.</p><p>All healers were said to be equal healwise (druids have/had quicker heals/extra hot components/some extra heal lines etc.) but each has their specialism I remember back in dof healing thru supernova on those twin dragons (that was a massive ae every few second fyi) solo in the raid keeping my group and I was the only class that was able to do that (filling up the group before the next hit). Some twisted mechanics turned us more into the sec healer niche, and I can understand that you think thats how it was intended seeing as you started this game just this september, but  that's not where furies (or druids for that matter belong).</p><p>We have a difference of opinion thats ok, but dont try to school me</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>mmm... cute sorry. Does EQ2 characters show you original accounts? Or does i display character transfers correctly?</p><p>If you wish to make invalid points, at least think them out. And yes... I know... "Every healer is supposed to be equal..." But I wish you luck in your wait for such fixes. I never stated EQ had officially said furies were ment to be secondary healers. But I call them how I see them, Secondary healers. I've done some raiding as well sir, I've solo healed groups (yes, the mage group which sounds like a secondary group to me), and even been in the main tank group. But you've probably skipped over my list of accomplishments and boastings like I have yours.</p><p>Fact of the matter is, you can be realistic and play to your strengths, or you can be jaded and keep stating SOE said they were going to do this or they wanted it to be like that. But I do hope all your dreams come to since they are shared, but I do not use mine as a crutch.</p>