Frostfang Sea feedback and bugs - The Great Shelf

[Kaitheel]

<p>New Halas and the zone of Frostfang Sea are now on Test and Test Copy! Please assemble any feedback and bugs that you may find with The Great Shelf content of Frostfang Sea in this thread; quests, population, etc.  It is the third quest camp of the zone.  This should help us keep it all as organized as possible.</p><p>Thank you, everyone!</p><p>~Kaitheel</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>I'm having a very difficult time with "Foiling the  Flank." I jsut can't seem to find any of the "sprinting Ry'Gorr gatecallers"</p>

[Gungo]

<p>hard to see them but they are invisible and run up the hill to the gate caller area. They also die by dwarven archers. Alot contiously spawn your best bet is to grab them by the water where they spawn. </p>

[Kamimura]

<p>After completing the quest 'A Murky Miasma of a Mystery', given by Dulur Axebeard, you're given a few dialogue options to choose from. "Is this something I can help with" ends the dialogue instead of continuing it.When getting the quest 'Off to the Ossuaru' from the name NPC, he is missing directions from his dialogue, still has placeholder text.For the quest 'Calling Them Back', where you place wards on the battlefield, there are no actual glowing spots in the snow. Because of the pop-up, this may be intentional (although imo, blue shinies would have been better). However, even after I've done the quest those pop-ups keep appearing whenever I go through the area.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Some of the The last Herga Quest has a few issues, when you click on her helm the Frenzied Ry'Gor spawns out of aggro range and around the corner so your left going "Huh?"</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">She tells you to keep her helment once you finish the questline with her but nothing appears in your invetory nor in your overflow. A House Item would be nice (Just hope you get the housing in soon)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I can't remember the guy's name in the cave but the Quest that calls for you to set out the spirit caller wards, I can not see any of the writing on the snow nor any other marker so I have not fould that last site for the Final ward. Neither can I see the ones I have placed, all I have are the announcement on the screen that I'm in the right area. </span></p>

[Kamimura]

<p>For the quest "Pouring One Out for my Skellies" there are no bone piles to be found. I saw them earlier, when I was going the other quests in the area - but after completing those quests they seem to all be gone.</p>

[Bhagpuss]

<p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">She tells you to keep her helment once you finish the questline with her but nothing appears in your invetory nor in your overflow. A House Item would be nice (Just hope you get the housing in soon)</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">It seems pretty clear from the long build up about</span> </span>titles during the quest dialog that the payoff is supposed to be an actual title - "Friend of Helga". The quest doesn't actually award a title.</p><p>I am guessing the two rewards, the hat and the title, haven't been linked to the quest. If that's not the case and there really is no title or helmet then I would suggest a heavy re-write of the dialog to remove the expectation.</p><p>(Also, if there is a title and/or a helmet, any chance of characters that have completed it getting them retrospectively?).</p>

[Woody67]

<p>A couple of the named mobs do not give AA even though they are over level 10,  the Volilitile Snow Flurry and the Risen Ry'Gorr Conquerer. I am not sure if the last is a quest mob or not as i am stuck at a few points.</p><p>Foiling the Flank: Found where the Sprinting Gatecallers appear but they disappear so quickly it is impossible for me to select and attack. I heard if you have see invisible you can get this done but that will limit and frustrate those that do not have.</p><p>Seems to add insult to injury after finally finishing the "Calling them Back" quest where you have to plant the wards the next quest in the series only offers a scout reward at the moment. I am stuck on this one as all the bone piles seemed to have been replaced with dead coldain instead.</p><p>One thing that finally hit me was the lack of weapon options in the quests, at least on a Templar. I was level 12 and fighting level 14s with the same level 1 weapon from the initial area. I finally broke down and went to New Halas to buy one as none of the other camps had anything beyond Tier 1 tin and elm weapons. I have yet to be offered a shield or symbol option in any quest either. This is bothersome because by the quests lines you have not been directed there as yet or at least none that i have found.</p><p>Another minor issue would be the lack of bags in the quests. Usually in most of the other beginning areas you have a least one or two other bags offered up so you do not have to buy one off the merchant. The drop rate is low enough and the coin for the quests is lacking in that i have finished up most of the quests in this area and sold all the loot i can and have yet to break a gold piece.</p><p>The last two issues could put off the very new players you are trying to intice with this area.</p>

[Kamimura]

<p><cite>Woody67 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One thing that finally hit me was the lack of weapon options in the quests, at least on a Templar. I was level 12 and fighting level 14s with the same level 1 weapon from the initial area. I finally broke down and went to New Halas to buy one as none of the other camps had anything beyond Tier 1 tin and elm weapons. I have yet to be offered a shield or symbol option in any quest either. This is bothersome because by the quests lines you have not been directed there as yet or at least none that i have found.</p></blockquote><p>As a templar I was not offered a new weapon until the very last camp, when I was about level 18. Then, I was given two 2H weapons in a row from quest rewards there. I'd rather see one turned into a choice between a 1H and 2H weapon, and the other offer a sheild, symbol, or something. (Actually, because of a bug I was unable to complete the final few quests, so perhaps one is already along those lines...)It would also be nice to see a mid-level weapon added in, say at the start of the Great Shelf series.</p>

[Arastir]

<p><cite>Woody67 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A couple of the named mobs do not give AA even though they are over level 10,  the Volilitile Snow Flurry and the Risen Ry'Gorr Conquerer. I am not sure if the last is a quest mob or not as i am stuck at a few points.</p><p>Foiling the Flank: Found where the Sprinting Gatecallers appear but they disappear so quickly it is impossible for me to select and attack. I heard if you have see invisible you can get this done but that will limit and frustrate those that do not have.</p><p>Seems to add insult to injury after finally finishing the "Calling them Back" quest where you have to plant the wards the next quest in the series only offers a scout reward at the moment. I am stuck on this one as all the bone piles seemed to have been replaced with dead coldain instead.</p><p>One thing that finally hit me was the lack of weapon options in the quests, at least on a Templar. I was level 12 and fighting level 14s with the same level 1 weapon from the initial area. I finally broke down and went to New Halas to buy one as none of the other camps had anything beyond Tier 1 tin and elm weapons. I have yet to be offered a shield or symbol option in any quest either. This is bothersome because by the quests lines you have not been directed there as yet or at least none that i have found.</p><p>Another minor issue would be the lack of bags in the quests. Usually in most of the other beginning areas you have a least one or two other bags offered up so you do not have to buy one off the merchant. The drop rate is low enough and the coin for the quests is lacking in that i have finished up most of the quests in this area and sold all the loot i can and have yet to break a gold piece.</p><p>The last two issues could put off the very new players you are trying to intice with this area.</p></blockquote><p>Completely agree with this.  I have attempted Foiling the Flank on a paladin and a mystic (both brand new) and have given up on both.  Something is just not right with this quest, the archers kill them as soon as I see them.  I also had to go to the broker in New Halas to buy a weapon for my mystic.  And PLEASE give us a bag quest or two!</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Bhagpuss wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">She tells you to keep her helment once you finish the questline with her but nothing appears in your invetory nor in your overflow. A House Item would be nice (Just hope you get the housing in soon)</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">It seems pretty clear from the long build up about</span> </span>titles during the quest dialog that the payoff is supposed to be an actual title - "Friend of Helga". The quest doesn't actually award a title.</p><p>I am guessing the two rewards, the hat and the title, haven't been linked to the quest. If that's not the case and there really is no title or helmet then I would suggest a heavy re-write of the dialog to remove the expectation.</p><p>(Also, if there is a title and/or a helmet, any chance of characters that have completed it getting them retrospectively?).</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Agreed, was dissapointed in that...Also having issued finding the bones for the quest after the point where you play marco-polo for all the ward spacts with invisable wards. ;p</span></p>

[Prathun]

<p>Hey y'all.</p><p>A quick update on the changes being made to The "Great Shelf" area based off your feedback and bug finds.</p><ul><li>"Is this something I can help with?" now correctly advances the dialogue instead of dropping out early.</li><li>The view predicate on the bone piles has been fixed, so that they display if you haven't completed both of the quests (The Gauntlet & Pouring One Out...) that involve attempting to destroy them.</li><li>The frenzied Ry'Gorr spawn will now lock onto and attack the player that clicked on the helm.</li><li>The Off to the Ossuary quest no longer has placeholder text in the quest dialogue.</li><li>Fixed the problem where the pop-up message for Calling Them Back (You see glowing blue runes...) continues to appear after you've already placed the totem in that location.</li><li>I believe the invisible Ry'Gorr sprinters are losing their invisibility.  We want to allow them to be targeted before the sharpshooter archers pick them off.</li><li>You now receive a title for completing all of Herga's quests.  (Thanks, Kaitheel!)</li><li>Calling Them Back now displays swirly rune effects in areas where you can place the spirit wards.</li></ul><p>I'm still tinkering with the totem-placing quest Calling Them Back.  </p><p>Thanks for the feedback. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Iamken]

<p>Wooah...nice to see you working on the deuce now, Prathun. =)</p><p>Fyfe - EQ2</p><p>Rylaar - EQ1</p>

[LordSeckmoth]

<p>Did not see this one here -- so I figured it's worth a post:</p><p>Gated at The Great Shelf quest "The Gauntlet". The Ry'Gorr Skeleton Bones do not appear on the ground to be smashed (Checked smashing the upright Skeletons to see if they turned into bones -- no luck). The first box of the quest in the quest journal also shows a line starting with [DEVL] and a message about no text input.</p>

[Seagoat]

<p><cite>LordSeckmoth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did not see this one here -- so I figured it's worth a post:</p><p>Gated at The Great Shelf quest "The Gauntlet". The Ry'Gorr Skeleton Bones do not appear on the ground to be smashed (Checked smashing the upright Skeletons to see if they turned into bones -- no luck). The first box of the quest in the quest journal also shows a line starting with [DEVL] and a message about no text input.</p></blockquote><p>I'm seeing (or not seeing, actually) the same thing. The bones were visible before I got the quest requiring me to smash them, but with the quest in my journal, they're nowhere to be found.</p>

[Khiara]

<p>Roughing up the Reinforcements..the part for the weapons racks..apparently they spawn on server restart..and if someone "destroys" them..they don't respawn until ANOTHER server restart....</p><p>Also the pig for the Ham and Beans *i believe that's the right quest name* in Halas doesn't seem to spawn in the pen by the armorers hut. Anyone else have this issue as well? Or am I just "speshul" ? lol</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p>Any word on fixes for these? When I asked ingame I was told that quests have to wait until everyone's happy with the housing. I certainly hope that's not the official approach.</p>

[Prathun]

<p><cite>Gladiolus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Any word on fixes for these? When I asked ingame I was told that quests have to wait until everyone's happy with the housing. I certainly hope that's not the official approach.</p></blockquote><p>LOL, wut?  Housing has absolutely no impact on my schedule.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p><p>All of the changes to Great Shelf were recently submitted.  Can't control precisely when they'll appear on Test, but I've got my fingers crossed for soon (tm). </p><p>Thanks again for the feedback!</p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 2in; text-indent: -0.25in;"> </p>

[Dalwhinnie]

<p>Welcome to II!</p><p>Why isn't your avatar a hobbit!?!</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p><cite>Prathun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All of the changes to Great Shelf were recently submitted.  Can't control precisely when they'll appear on Test, but I've got my fingers crossed for soon (tm). </p></blockquote><p>Good to hear. Are these changes limited to those you listed in your previous post, or do they include Roughing up the Reinforcements as mentioned by Khiara above? Those weapons are a real pain!</p>

[Alenna]

<p>Quest All that remains is Buged I get hte text saying I've been ambushed by a burly Ry'Gorr orc and no orc attacks and while I"m reporting the bug I get attacked by a Ry'Gorr raider. but the quest is now saying I need to kill the freinzed orc that is guarding Helga's helm. How many raiders do I need to kill to get hte right mob to pop I wonder. yes I /buged it.</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p><cite>Alenna@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quest All that remains is Buged I get hte text saying I've been ambushed by a burly Ry'Gorr orc and no orc attacks and while I"m reporting the bug I get attacked by a Ry'Gorr raider. but the quest is now saying I need to kill the freinzed orc that is guarding Helga's helm. How many raiders do I need to kill to get hte right mob to pop I wonder. yes I /buged it.</p></blockquote><p>The raiders aren't part of the quest, they just happen to be around and need to be killed so they don't interrupt you while you try to collect the helmet. The orc (with "frenzied" in his name) that you need to kill for the quest is usually around the side of the hill. Unless you go look for him and kill him, you won't be able to collect the helmet.</p><p>Additionally, it doesn't give a group update, so each person in the group has to wait for another frenzied orc to spawn.</p>

[Alenna]

<p><cite>Gladiolus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alenna@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quest All that remains is Buged I get hte text saying I've been ambushed by a burly Ry'Gorr orc and no orc attacks and while I"m reporting the bug I get attacked by a Ry'Gorr raider. but the quest is now saying I need to kill the freinzed orc that is guarding Helga's helm. How many raiders do I need to kill to get hte right mob to pop I wonder. yes I /buged it.</p></blockquote><p>The raiders aren't part of the quest, they just happen to be around and need to be killed so they don't interrupt you while you try to collect the helmet. The orc (with "frenzied" in his name) that you need to kill for the quest is usually around the side of the hill. Unless you go look for him and kill him, you won't be able to collect the helmet.</p><p>Additionally, it doesn't give a group update, so each person in the group has to wait for another frenzied orc to spawn.</p></blockquote><p>well i did a /feedback since the way the quest works with text and everything it is not even close to being intuitive on where you go to kill the frenzied orc if the Text says you are attacked then attack he should do.</p><p>not say you are attacked and then have the text in the journal change to tell you to kill him with no way to tell where he is. if turning the corner to get the stupid orc is intended this was not a very well thought out quest mechanic to my mind and would only frustrate people. it should be changed and I hope it is before it goes live. and I agree if youi are grouped it should update all of you for the kill.</p>

[Armawk]

<p>Im pretty sure a dev said they were going to move him so  he does attack you.. this was obviously the intention.</p>

[Prathun]

<p><cite>Alenna@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Quest All that remains is Buged I get hte text saying I've been ambushed by a burly Ry'Gorr orc and no orc attack</p></blockquote><p><cite>Prathun wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><ul><li>The frenzied Ry'Gorr spawn will now lock onto and attack the player that clicked on the helm.</li></ul></blockquote> <p><cite>Gladiolus wrote:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>Additionally, it doesn't give a group update, so each person in the group has to wait for another frenzied orc to spawn.</p></blockquote> <p>I'll make sure that this quest, as well as the others in this area, update every player in the group.  Thanks!</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p><cite>Prathun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><cite>Gladiolus wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Additionally, it doesn't give a group update, so each person in the group has to wait for another frenzied orc to spawn.</p></blockquote> <p>I'll make sure that this quest, as well as the others in this area, update every player in the group.  Thanks!</p></blockquote><p>This is good news, as I was beginning to think that the region had purposely been made to discourage grouping.</p>