Blue servers need to watch out.

[Shorcon]

<p>There are rumors that pvp gear will be reimplamented into bgs. The discussion is that because better versions of the same will be available to t9 on all servers. This is a poor defense as many blue servers would love to run twinks also. I have also heard that pvp gear isnt as useless in bg as people thought. Any pvp input on this would be nice. Some facts that clarify what items still proc etc in bg so that we can keep fighting for 100% balance in server to server competition. My belief is that all players should get a starter set of bg gear and all other gear should be useless in bg. This would make the complex fight to balance things in 90 different directions easier. From adornments pve, to pvp gear procs we constantly fight to balance. Make BG 100% BG before you run a marketing campaign. Think of the new people coming to the game. They will demand balance and your job shouldnt be so tough to give them what they want. Everyone keeps looking for server advantages from bg. They act as if they play bg's to get ahead on their home server. As I have said a million times before. BG can and will stand alone. It doesnt matter how many players say they wont play bg if the gear in bg is bg only. They will. What matters is the future of EQ2. In its current state things are impossible to balance. A shift in one direction becomes a landslide. A shift back becomes an earthquake. It would be so much easier on players and dev's alike if players gear in pvp or pve was non existant in bg. Make a starter set of pvp gear that /claim on any char that grows with them until they replace with better. Make sure this gear makes them easy kill in bg but not easier kill than anyone who refuses to wear it over there pvp/pve server gear. Make that gear account for nothing and I mean nothing in BG. Think of the simplicity you would have on this new voyage of Battlegrounds. IMO you are trying to hard to do to much and every turn you make is going to be either out of balance or exploited I.E. the red raid adorn making entire groups virtualy unhittable in bg's. I have many comments in forums on these boards. I feel I am fighting in all of them for true balance in Battlegrounds first and foremost. I am trying to make a case on guardians atm but with all the other topics eating the forum it's a next to impossible fight. I want your job to be easier because I know that in doing so the game will be less of a chaotic nightmare to people who can't play every waking minute of every waking day. I play every free minute I have and feel that it's impossible to grasp what is and isnt balanced due to the fact that I dont know every piece of pvp/pve gear adorn pot pois etc. Please for the love of god make BG its own entity in which you can use nothing from your home server.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p>I read a whole lot of QQ like every other post you have made today</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>Hhhmmm.. I see your point. Better yet...</p><p>Lets make all BG gear /claim. And they should all have the same proc on it. That way you have to do next to nothing to compete in a competitive setting.</p><p>O O O! and tokens will be used to change the color of your gear. And it's all the same token! and if you don't want to wait for the tokens, you can buy them for 1 copper!</p><p>I just don't get why people don't believe that in a PvP based system, it is so wrong to give PvP a slight advantage.</p><p>And if you haven't read, they are putting in new BG gear for all Tiers.</p>

[Amic_kithicor]

<p><cite>Shankapotomus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I just don't get why people don't believe that in a PvP based system, it is so wrong to give PvP a slight advantage.</p><p>And if you haven't read, they are putting in new BG gear for all Tiers.</p></blockquote><p>Well before the first gear nerf u guys already had the advantage remember? from ur years of doing PvP,,,,pfftttt as if.</p><p>Once they took ur gear advantage killing you guys was no diffrent then killing another blue server.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>I really dont see your relevance in this topic?</p><p>So what you're saying is that we should since we are already the same as blue players. Thanks for making my point to a further degree.</p><p>And state your character name since you don't have a lvl 90 on that account so I can pay special attention to a point less trash talker</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p>

[Amic_kithicor]

<p>I have 2 lvl 90's on this acount,,,lawlz</p>

[Muraazi]

<p>PARAGRAPHS PLEASE</p>

[Dannnybones]

<p><cite>Slinco@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have 2 lvl 90's on this acount,,,lawlz</p></blockquote><p>That he bought.  Booooya.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I have been involved in your 'hangup' about this earring since you started QQ about it the day BG's went live. Thanks how OMG annoying your complaining about this earring is. We got over it a LONG time ago.</p>

[Amic_kithicor]

<p><cite>Macedamian@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Slinco@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have 2 lvl 90's on this acount,,,lawlz</p></blockquote><p>That he bought.  Booooya.</p></blockquote><p>And your point? yeah i play bought toons better then most of you play ur toons that you lvl'd</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2</span></strong>?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/iggie2299/banshee.jpg" width="573" height="583" /></p><p>And this is why you are dumb.</p><p>10% chance. I have this item on my own warden and it does NOT proc as often as you make it sound like it does. Ten percent chance to proc does have a chance to add up but it's only 3 seconds. Lets compare that to the defiler or coercer fear that lasts MUCH longer and 'OR UNTIL TARGET TAKES DAMAGE' . If this earring is your idea of 'game breaking gear' then you truely SHOULD come play on Nagafen and just get rick rolled all day long.</p>

[Kota]

<p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>PARAGRAPHS PLEASE</p></blockquote><p>p.s. [Removed for Content] that banshee hoop to hell.  that item is one of the worst ideas ever.  btw i had one on my templar and sold it to a vendor in a rage after i 1v1'd a templar and got owned by the item.  had nothing AT ALL to do with the player.  i h8 h8 h8 that item.  that is all.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p>Something that HAS come to mind though, that may actually sway the tide of war, is Heroic Resistance going to be re-enabled in BG's for the PvP armor sets?</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There are rumors that pvp gear will be reimplamented into bgs. The discussion is that because better versions of the same will be available to t9 on all servers. This is a poor defense as many blue servers would love to run twinks also. I have also heard that pvp gear isnt as useless in bg as people thought. Any pvp input on this would be nice. Some facts that clarify what items still proc etc in bg so that we can keep fighting for 100% balance in server to server competition. My belief is that all players should get a starter set of bg gear and all other gear should be useless in bg. This would make the complex fight to balance things in 90 different directions easier. From adornments pve, to pvp gear procs we constantly fight to balance. Make BG 100% BG before you run a marketing campaign. Think of the new people coming to the game. They will demand balance and your job shouldnt be so tough to give them what they want. Everyone keeps looking for server advantages from bg. They act as if they play bg's to get ahead on their home server. As I have said a million times before. BG can and will stand alone. It doesnt matter how many players say they wont play bg if the gear in bg is bg only. They will. What matters is the future of EQ2. In its current state things are impossible to balance. A shift in one direction becomes a landslide. A shift back becomes an earthquake. It would be so much easier on players and dev's alike if players gear in pvp or pve was non existant in bg. Make a starter set of pvp gear that /claim on any char that grows with them until they replace with better. Make sure this gear makes them easy kill in bg but not easier kill than anyone who refuses to wear it over there pvp/pve server gear. Make that gear account for nothing and I mean nothing in BG. Think of the simplicity you would have on this new voyage of Battlegrounds. IMO you are trying to hard to do to much and every turn you make is going to be either out of balance or exploited I.E. the red raid adorn making entire groups virtualy unhittable in bg's. I have many comments in forums on these boards. I feel I am fighting in all of them for true balance in Battlegrounds first and foremost. I am trying to make a case on guardians atm but with all the other topics eating the forum it's a next to impossible fight. I want your job to be easier because I know that in doing so the game will be less of a chaotic nightmare to people who can't play every waking minute of every waking day. I play every free minute I have and feel that it's impossible to grasp what is and isnt balanced due to the fact that I dont know every piece of pvp/pve gear adorn pot pois etc. Please for the love of god make BG its own entity in which you can use nothing from your home server.</p></blockquote><p>WALL OF TEXT!</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2</span></strong>?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/iggie2299/banshee.jpg" width="573" height="583" /></p><p>And this is why you are dumb.</p><p>10% chance. I have this item on my own warden and it does NOT proc as often as you make it sound like it does. Ten percent chance to proc does have a chance to add up but it's only 3 seconds. Lets compare that to the defiler or coercer fear that lasts MUCH longer and 'OR UNTIL TARGET TAKES DAMAGE' . If this earring is your idea of 'game breaking gear' then you truely SHOULD come play on Nagafen and just get rick rolled all day long.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah lets compare a soft target to a hard target. You sir are silly. Proc of 10% is always specd to be higher. If you get the right person in your group it can be higher yet. I know when nag/vox had this proc I could never kill a healer without procing this fear.</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Something that HAS come to mind though, that may actually sway the tide of war, is Heroic Resistance going to be re-enabled in BG's for the PvP armor sets?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what Heroic Resistance is. If its not available to all then all who can get it dont want it to be enabled. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    I know you love hearing me say that.</p><p>BG is BG and should be treated that way. It's not free hunt pvp. It's BG. When you all had your gear nerfed you saw first hand that blue servers can own in BG. I have strongly considered moving to a pvp server but the time it takes to lvl and aa is just to [Removed for Content] much. I have lvled to many toons to cap lvl. I am about making sure pvp stays completely fair to all servers. You nag/vox players put up alot of words that in no way support this. You would enjoy an unfair advantage at any level. Fair or not. This is definitly not a stereotype to all nag/vox as I know some who believe in keeping bg integrity fair. You still use your pvp gear with toughness on it in bg 80 right? I honestly dont think thats fair but hey. Yeah as a matter of fact lets argue that while we are at it. No toughness gear in bgs that isnt designed with bg in mind. That means no gear that isnt obtainable on pve servers in bg.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I have been involved in your 'hangup' about this earring since you started QQ about it the day BG's went live. Thanks how OMG annoying your complaining about this earring is. We got over it a LONG time ago.</p></blockquote><p>It's all good Crimsorn, I know who he is.He is a player who thinks he deserves an advantage, or better put, needs one. He tried talking all kinds of smack about owning me in battlegrounds, how I would never beat him because he is a PVP master!I happen to have a nice little screenshot from a gears match. My pure PUG team was up 301-0 and I just put in a kill shot on Nagafen.Naggasaki.   I have played plenty of BGs, I have several hundred tokens just sitting in my bags because there is nothing I could be bothered spending them on. During this time, I have seen so many tanks demonstrating higher skill and ability than Naggasaki, that herald from PVE servers, I have concluded that Naggasaki holds better agro on these forums than in BG matches.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p>Banshee hoop doesn't make or break anything. There are similar procs that can be warn from PvE. I could care less if I get the proc back, but if they do bring it back, it should be lowered to 5%</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2</span></strong>?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy194/iggie2299/banshee.jpg" width="573" height="583" /></p><p>And this is why you are dumb.</p><p>10% chance. I have this item on my own warden and it does NOT proc as often as you make it sound like it does. Ten percent chance to proc does have a chance to add up but it's only 3 seconds. Lets compare that to the defiler or coercer fear that lasts MUCH longer and 'OR UNTIL TARGET TAKES DAMAGE' . If this earring is your idea of 'game breaking gear' then you truely SHOULD come play on Nagafen and just get rick rolled all day long.</p></blockquote><p>It is not my responsibility to teach/train you itemization in eq2.</p><p>Fail at your own peril, randomguy_03</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Banshee hoop doesn't make or break anything. There are similar procs that can be warn from PvE. I could care less if I get the proc back, but if they do bring it back, it should be lowered to 5%</p></blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Banshee hoop doesn't make or break anything. There are similar procs that can be warn from PvE. I could care less if I get the proc back, but if they do bring it back, it should be lowered to 5%</p></blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>People that raid vs people that don't have an "unfair" advantage, People who group have an "unfair" advantage over those whom do, Maybe minor advantages but they exsist, If you want everything to be fair, you would have to force everyone into the same gear, on the same classes, with the same AA, and same level of abilities. Until that happens, there is going to be an advantage one way or another caused by gear or otherwise, that can be countered normally by player skill.</p>

[Taldier]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>When you all had your gear nerfed you saw first hand that blue servers can own in BG.</p></blockquote><p>Tbh I havent seen blue server players "owning" in bg's except the ones in raid gear.  We already knew that raid gear was better than pvp gear and everything else.  That was the entire point of pvp gear ever existing in the first place...not to get some one up on [Removed for Content] casual pve'ers in instance gear who will die regardless.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I have been involved in your 'hangup' about this earring since you started QQ about it the day BG's went live. Thanks how OMG annoying your complaining about this earring is. We got over it a LONG time ago.</p></blockquote><p>It's all good Crimsorn, I know who he is.He is a player who thinks he deserves an advantage, or better put, needs one. He tried talking all kinds of smack about owning me in battlegrounds, how I would never beat him because he is a PVP master!I happen to have a nice little screenshot from a gears match. My pure PUG team was up 301-0 and I just put in a kill shot on Nagafen.Naggasaki.   I have played plenty of BGs, I have several hundred tokens just sitting in my bags because there is nothing I could be bothered spending them on. During this time, I have seen so many tanks demonstrating higher skill and ability than Naggasaki, that herald from PVE servers, I have concluded that Naggasaki holds better agro on these forums than in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The only thing I could see an issue with is the banshee hoop upgrade being lore and pvp priests being able to wear the upgrade and the original and basically having 2 rolls to proc fear.</p><p>I'm fine with that though, I would much rather have 1v2 then 0v1.</p></blockquote><p>Wow. You really are hung up on that [Removed for Content] banshee hoop. Get over it AND  yourself already.</p></blockquote><p>By "hung" up, do you mean I would use it over any other earring currently available in eq2?  Cause if so then yes, I am very "hung" up on it.</p><p>Thank you for knowing who I am and that I've posted about this earring months ago.  Sadly, I have no idea who you are.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, I have been involved in your 'hangup' about this earring since you started QQ about it the day BG's went live. Thanks how OMG annoying your complaining about this earring is. We got over it a LONG time ago.</p></blockquote><p>It's all good Crimsorn, I know who he is.He is a player who thinks he deserves an advantage, or better put, needs one. He tried talking all kinds of smack about owning me in battlegrounds, how I would never beat him because he is a PVP master!I happen to have a nice little screenshot from a gears match. My pure PUG team was up 301-0 and I just put in a kill shot on Nagafen.Naggasaki.   I have played plenty of BGs, I have several hundred tokens just sitting in my bags because there is nothing I could be bothered spending them on. During this time, I have seen so many tanks demonstrating higher skill and ability than Naggasaki, that herald from PVE servers, I have concluded that Naggasaki holds better agro on these forums than in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p></blockquote><p>False, No healer just means you have to be more creative with your strategy, Unless the other group as 2 good, or 3 healers.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p>True, I'll give you that but only because the only match I've ever been able to win without a 'Priest' class was a full on MAGE group that just kept killing people due to borked resists.</p><p>And btw crimsorn, PvP master...no. But I get by. Need an advantage? Not bloody likely. I solo PvP on my SK, Warden, Warlock and Brigand all day. I hold my own. Which is more than I can say for a 'tin can pvp elitist' that thinks killing people in BG's equals PvP skill, during a time in which, even the devs have admitted, resists were nine kinds of hosed. But good job trying to 'deminish' my pvp abilities.</p>

[timetravelling]

<p>Many of the PvP accessories were re-enabled for BGs because they are now available (with GU56) to all players on the BG Jewelry merchant.</p><p>Many of those items' procs were also changed, including the Banshee Hoop, to have a proc limiter--it can only fire once per [x] seconds. It remains a 3s fear with a 10% proc chance, however.</p>

[Valind]

<p>Trigger limiter is a horrible idea. Reduce the trigger chance to 2% or whatever, but it should trigger more often when there are more people hitting you.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>Just read timetravellings post and I no longer care since I wont use this item.</p><p>Just a heads up, the only appeal to this item is that if a bunch of people jump you then each of them had a chance to be feared during a fight which did two things it made the attacker possibly re-think his current target and it also could feared them.</p><p>You just destroyed the only reason to make this item imo.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Many of the PvP accessories were re-enabled for BGs because they are now available (with GU56) to all players on the BG Jewelry merchant.</p><p>Many of those items' procs were also changed, including the Banshee Hoop, to have a proc limiter--it can only fire once per [x] seconds. It remains a 3s fear with a 10% proc chance, however.</p></blockquote><p>Nobody will wear it now, for no reason, Which is fine, but it is a waste of time that you guys designed useless gear.</p>

[ntommyb]

<p>I think people look at this from the wrong angle.  I don't believe a healer should be the best first target.  A good MA will rotate through targets until he finds the softest target and melt him systematically reducing the odds.  I don't think the first target should be the healer. If you have 6 guys hitting a healer its because the tank is dead and he's going to die anyway because  he failed at keeping his tank alive even if that thing procs 50%.  It is helpful in pvp but it doesn't change the outcome of any fight I've been in.  If a scout has the dps to beat my warden then he's going to have to do it in a few hits and 10% = 1 out of 10.  If he can't do it in 5 or 6 attacks he's can't kill me...period.</p>

[ntommyb]

<p><cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Many of the PvP accessories were re-enabled for BGs because they are now available (with GU56) to all players on the BG Jewelry merchant.</p><p>Many of those items' procs were also changed, including the Banshee Hoop, to have a proc limiter--it can only fire once per [x] seconds. It remains a 3s fear with a 10% proc chance, however.</p></blockquote><p>This item needs +crit chance or something else if you're going to wreck the proc.  Its useless in pvp now and I want my tokens back.  I WOULD NOT have bought this item or even thought about it if it had a trigger limiter on it</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Valindor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Trigger limiter is a horrible idea. Reduce the trigger chance to 2% or whatever, but it should trigger more often when there are more people hitting you.</p></blockquote><p>BS. Trigger limit is a HUGE nerf and is MUCH needed. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Many of the PvP accessories were re-enabled for BGs because they are now available (with GU56) to all players on the BG Jewelry merchant.</p><p>Many of those items' procs were also changed, including the Banshee Hoop, to have a proc limiter--it can only fire once per [x] seconds. It remains a 3s fear with a 10% proc chance, however.</p></blockquote><p>Nobody will wear it now, for no reason, Which is fine, but it is a waste of time that you guys designed useless gear.</p></blockquote><p>These are the big steps backward that are needed. If the item is useless the maybe it can be updated in the future. Better by far than ending up in OP situations like the present. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Good jobe timetravelling and the rest of the soe dev crew.</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p></blockquote><p>Why? Why do people consistantly twist my words? No. I dont think we should all zone in equal with 0 progression. I do think that in the early stages of bg we need to consider the fact that balance is impossible to regulate without reigning in on some of the items available in both blue and red servers. To start, day one, we should have all entered in equal gear without any extra crap to distort the balance. That wasnt the case now was it? No. My gear had 0 toughness. Nag/vox had a full set of toughness gear. How can we [Removed for Content] balance with these issues at hand?</p><p>I am glad I supported that nerf of nag/vox nerf. I am dismayed that they still have toughness on that gear but hey. It's better. Not perfect but better.</p><p>SOE relies on us the player to give feedback for imporving game balance. Here is my feedback.</p><p>I dont throw bs to the wind. I call it how I see it. As I see it now you will have your hands full trying to get balance out of the current state of things. You need to close bg to all but bg gear and a select few items that are available to all. You need to update once a month with new items usable in bg. Post this clearly in the update notes so that players can use and assess these items in a way that is easier to actualy give you clear focused feedback.</p><p>Make sense to anyone?</p><p>Now you will see many posts argueing against this. BG is new. It's kinda a now or never situation. Kinda like the unfair advantage to pvp servers.</p><p>In order for battlegrounds to work you need 100% access to anything used in battlegrounds by all players red or blue. Battlegrounds is not pvp/pve. It is Battlegrounds.</p>

[ailen]

<p>Banshee hoop was probably one of the most op items in game.  when the hoop first came out, the game wasn't as extreme as it is now with dps/heals being way over the top.</p><p>I have literally beat on a healer with that item and been feared 3 times back to back... one of the dumbest things ever.</p><p>I am so glad they put a limitation on the item.  Its not worthless.  If it procs you'll still get to heal  yourself to full in matter of seconds...</p><p>it was plain stupid before... get over it.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p><cite>Maliak@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Banshee hoop was probably one of the most op items in game.  when the hoop first came out, the game wasn't as extreme as it is now with dps/heals being way over the top.</p><p>I have literally beat on a healer with that item and been feared 3 times back to back... one of the dumbest things ever.</p><p>I am so glad they put a limitation on the item.  Its not worthless.  If it procs you'll still get to heal  yourself to full in matter of seconds...</p><p>it was plain stupid before... get over it.</p></blockquote><p>It went from best item for that slot to worthless and not worth the slot it takes</p><p>I'm ok with it though since no healer will be using it, so we are all on equal footing for random fear proc's.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p></blockquote><p>Why? Why do people consistantly twist my words? No. I dont think we should all zone in equal with 0 progression. I do think that in the early stages of bg we need to consider the fact that balance is impossible to regulate without reigning in on some of the items available in both blue and red servers. To start, day one, we should have all entered in equal gear without any extra crap to distort the balance. That wasnt the case now was it? No. My gear had 0 toughness. Nag/vox had a full set of toughness gear. How can we [Removed for Content] balance with these issues at hand?</p><p>I am glad I supported that nerf of nag/vox nerf. I am dismayed that they still have toughness on that gear but hey. It's better. Not perfect but better.</p><p>SOE relies on us the player to give feedback for imporving game balance. Here is my feedback.</p><p>I dont throw bs to the wind. I call it how I see it. As I see it now you will have your hands full trying to get balance out of the current state of things. You need to close bg to all but bg gear and a select few items that are available to all. You need to update once a month with new items usable in bg. Post this clearly in the update notes so that players can use and assess these items in a way that is easier to actualy give you clear focused feedback.</p><p>Make sense to anyone?</p><p>Now you will see many posts argueing against this. BG is new. It's kinda a now or never situation. Kinda like the unfair advantage to pvp servers.</p><p>In order for battlegrounds to work you need 100% access to anything used in battlegrounds by all players red or blue. Battlegrounds is not pvp/pve. It is Battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>This idea is...Aweful. Why? Because you basically are saying we should limit what people can use, punishing those who put more time into their toons.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Maliak@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Banshee hoop was probably one of the most op items in game.  when the hoop first came out, the game wasn't as extreme as it is now with dps/heals being way over the top.</p><p>I have literally beat on a healer with that item and been feared 3 times back to back... one of the dumbest things ever.</p><p>I am so glad they put a limitation on the item.  Its not worthless.  If it procs you'll still get to heal  yourself to full in matter of seconds...</p><p>it was plain stupid before... get over it.</p></blockquote><p>Was it OP, Yes, I never argued that. Was this "solution" the anwser, No. It took an OP item and made it not worth anything. When Banshee hoop was introduced it was 2x as powerful as it was before this nerf...It had already been nerfed once, which it should have been without a doubt, but wear a useless item state wise to fear someone once every 45 seconds...Such a waste.</p>

[Darkonx]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p></blockquote><p>Why? Why do people consistantly twist my words? No. I dont think we should all zone in equal with 0 progression. I do think that in the early stages of bg we need to consider the fact that balance is impossible to regulate without reigning in on some of the items available in both blue and red servers. To start, day one, we should have all entered in equal gear without any extra crap to distort the balance. That wasnt the case now was it? No. My gear had 0 toughness. Nag/vox had a full set of toughness gear. How can we [Removed for Content] balance with these issues at hand?</p><p>I am glad I supported that nerf of nag/vox nerf. I am dismayed that they still have toughness on that gear but hey. It's better. Not perfect but better.</p><p>SOE relies on us the player to give feedback for imporving game balance. Here is my feedback.</p><p>I dont throw bs to the wind. I call it how I see it. As I see it now you will have your hands full trying to get balance out of the current state of things. You need to close bg to all but bg gear and a select few items that are available to all. You need to update once a month with new items usable in bg. Post this clearly in the update notes so that players can use and assess these items in a way that is easier to actualy give you clear focused feedback.</p><p>Make sense to anyone?</p><p>Now you will see many posts argueing against this. BG is new. It's kinda a now or never situation. Kinda like the unfair advantage to pvp servers.</p><p>In order for battlegrounds to work you need 100% access to anything used in battlegrounds by all players red or blue. Battlegrounds is not pvp/pve. It is Battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>This post looks awfully familiar. I would have sworn I just saw it here -> <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=477209">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=477209</a></p><p>Copy/pasting your post wont make it more valuable, it will only get you in trouble.</p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p></blockquote><p>Why? Why do people consistantly twist my words? No. I dont think we should all zone in equal with 0 progression. I do think that in the early stages of bg we need to consider the fact that balance is impossible to regulate without reigning in on some of the items available in both blue and red servers. To start, day one, we should have all entered in equal gear without any extra crap to distort the balance. That wasnt the case now was it? No. My gear had 0 toughness. Nag/vox had a full set of toughness gear. How can we [Removed for Content] balance with these issues at hand?</p><p>I am glad I supported that nerf of nag/vox nerf. I am dismayed that they still have toughness on that gear but hey. It's better. Not perfect but better.</p><p>SOE relies on us the player to give feedback for imporving game balance. Here is my feedback.</p><p>I dont throw bs to the wind. I call it how I see it. As I see it now you will have your hands full trying to get balance out of the current state of things. You need to close bg to all but bg gear and a select few items that are available to all. You need to update once a month with new items usable in bg. Post this clearly in the update notes so that players can use and assess these items in a way that is easier to actualy give you clear focused feedback.</p><p>Make sense to anyone?</p><p>Now you will see many posts argueing against this. BG is new. It's kinda a now or never situation. Kinda like the unfair advantage to pvp servers.</p><p>In order for battlegrounds to work you need 100% access to anything used in battlegrounds by all players red or blue. Battlegrounds is not pvp/pve. It is Battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>This idea is...Aweful. Why? Because you basically are saying we should limit what people can use, punishing those who put more time into their toons.</p></blockquote><p>You are refering to time spent on server. Not bg. I am not saying never give these items back. I am saying that banshee hoop is tip of the iceberg. Red adorn nerf of recent is just a tip of the iceburg. We will see more and some will skip under the radar if we dont actualy get to assess items in bg in a much much much smaller scale. I am saying limit all game server items for now. Implament them in small doses so that in the chaos of battlegrounds new begining we can accuratly break down what is and isnt op.</p><p>I am also saying in absolutly no way should any server have available items that work in bg that are not available to other servers.</p><p>This is not the case atm with nag/vox having toughness on their gear in the 80+ bg's. It will not be the case on release of gu56 if they allow pvp items that are compareable to new items being placed on bg merchants. This means that new comers will have to earn BG tokens to get that item while players from nag/vox have already earned that item before existance of BG. Banshee hoop is nerfed. Fine. I am now concerned about the other items that will be usable long before new players to the game can get them ultimatly OPing once again blue servers. Little advantages make a big difference when you have force in numbers. Premade vs. pug. If that premade is going into a lvl 30 bg with gear that they already aquired on their pvp not bg server then this is an unfair advantage to the blues in that game in a major scale. Even one item used in battlegrounds that was obtained before bg's that was unobtainable for me on my blue server should never be allowed. I know this sounds tedious. It's bigger than most blues know and way bigger than any red would admit.</p><p>I was there getting steamrolled in bg on day 1. I dealt with mix guild full premades of nag/vox and their unfair advantage. They would have us all believe it was skill. Im sure that skill had its part no doubt as we only hit eachother in duel or while charmed by a mob. I didnt like the fact that with nag/vox skill above par and blue servers stepping into the ring we were crippled by gear advantage. I expected to loose to nag/vox premades. They have practice. I certainly didnt expect to find the well hushed secret that they all had toughness from day one as we in most cases had no one on our servers even making bg 80 mc gear. I will now be watching all that goes on and shedding light on those who have no idea. I feel this was a major stab at the blue servers and should never have happened. Though we were set back we have shown many on red servers that we are very cappable. Even now you are at a serious advantage due to the fact that your pvp gear is still carrying toughness. I know they took the procs but you still have a better set of starter gear than any of us can ever obtain.</p><p>I have been active and will always continue to be active making sure that pvp servers dont get advantage in gear.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shorcon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>No but it does offer an unfair advantage. I want 100% certainty that I am owned by skill. Is that really to much to ask?</p></blockquote><p>So we should all zone in with the same gear and have no progression?</p><p>I can't really agree with everything being 'skill'.  However, I can agree that control proc effects are a HORRIBLE idea.</p></blockquote><p>Why? Why do people consistantly twist my words? No. I dont think we should all zone in equal with 0 progression. I do think that in the early stages of bg we need to consider the fact that balance is impossible to regulate without reigning in on some of the items available in both blue and red servers. To start, day one, we should have all entered in equal gear without any extra crap to distort the balance. That wasnt the case now was it? No. My gear had 0 toughness. Nag/vox had a full set of toughness gear. How can we [Removed for Content] balance with these issues at hand?</p><p>I am glad I supported that nerf of nag/vox nerf. I am dismayed that they still have toughness on that gear but hey. It's better. Not perfect but better.</p><p>SOE relies on us the player to give feedback for imporving game balance. Here is my feedback.</p><p>I dont throw bs to the wind. I call it how I see it. As I see it now you will have your hands full trying to get balance out of the current state of things. You need to close bg to all but bg gear and a select few items that are available to all. You need to update once a month with new items usable in bg. Post this clearly in the update notes so that players can use and assess these items in a way that is easier to actualy give you clear focused feedback.</p><p>Make sense to anyone?</p><p>Now you will see many posts argueing against this. BG is new. It's kinda a now or never situation. Kinda like the unfair advantage to pvp servers.</p><p>In order for battlegrounds to work you need 100% access to anything used in battlegrounds by all players red or blue. Battlegrounds is not pvp/pve. It is Battlegrounds.</p></blockquote><p>This idea is...Aweful. Why? Because you basically are saying we should limit what people can use, punishing those who put more time into their toons.</p></blockquote><p>You are refering to time spent on server. Not bg. I am not saying never give these items back. I am saying that banshee hoop is tip of the iceberg. Red adorn nerf of recent is just a tip of the iceburg. We will see more and some will skip under the radar if we dont actualy get to assess items in bg in a much much much smaller scale. I am saying limit all game server items for now. Implament them in small doses so that in the chaos of battlegrounds new begining we can accuratly break down what is and isnt op.</p><p>I am also saying in absolutly no way should any server have available items that work in bg that are not available to other servers.</p><p>This is not the case atm with nag/vox having toughness on their gear in the 80+ bg's. It will not be the case on release of gu56 if they allow pvp items that are compareable to new items being placed on bg merchants. This means that new comers will have to earn BG tokens to get that item while players from nag/vox have already earned that item before existance of BG. Banshee hoop is nerfed. Fine. I am now concerned about the other items that will be usable long before new players to the game can get them ultimatly OPing once again blue servers. Little advantages make a big difference when you have force in numbers. Premade vs. pug. If that premade is going into a lvl 30 bg with gear that they already aquired on their pvp not bg server then this is an unfair advantage to the blues in that game in a major scale. Even one item used in battlegrounds that was obtained before bg's that was unobtainable for me on my blue server should never be allowed. I know this sounds tedious. It's bigger than most blues know and way bigger than any red would admit.</p><p>I was there getting steamrolled in bg on day 1. I dealt with mix guild full premades of nag/vox and their unfair advantage. They would have us all believe it was skill. Im sure that skill had its part no doubt as we only hit eachother in duel or while charmed by a mob. I didnt like the fact that with nag/vox skill above par and blue servers stepping into the ring we were crippled by gear advantage. I expected to loose to nag/vox premades. They have practice. I certainly didnt expect to find the well hushed secret that they all had toughness from day one as we in most cases had no one on our servers even making bg 80 mc gear. I will now be watching all that goes on and shedding light on those who have no idea. I feel this was a major stab at the blue servers and should never have happened. Though we were set back we have shown many on red servers that we are very cappable. Even now you are at a serious advantage due to the fact that your pvp gear is still carrying toughness. I know they took the procs but you still have a better set of starter gear than any of us can ever obtain.</p><p>I have been active and will always continue to be active making sure that pvp servers dont get advantage in gear.</p></blockquote><p>Hey, Guess what, Your BG gear is our PvP gear, We spend more time doing that even before hand than you guys, how does it not make sense to have an advantage, It was only 12% anyways and it didn't matter with how broken casters were, Now anyone that cares has full sets PvP or PvE, So what are you complaining about, I'm starting to think you love to complain for no good reason</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, as you requested it, I shall most generously provide.<img src="http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/Avirodar/Naggasaki_Owned.jpg" /></p><p>You are the one who claimed you would destroy me, should we ever meet in BattleGrounds. After your bold claims, when the time came for you to put your money where your mouth is, you lost.I have no doubt you will have a book of excuses ready for deployment, you have already started. Your team had at least one healer, and an SK+Zerker for tanks. I had a bruiser, and none of the OP caster DPS of the time. I was anticipating a hard fought contest, not the one sided slaughter we delivered.If they ever put in a 1 vs 1 arena, I hope to see you there. Make sure to have your excuses ready.Good day, sir!</p>

[ntommyb]

<p>terrible ui imo, sorry just sayin</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>ntommyb wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>terrible ui imo, sorry just sayin</p></blockquote><p>It was a cropped screenshot to reduce image/data size. That is not my entire window.If you consider ProfitUI to be a terrible UI, a lot of people will beg to differ.PS: You need to fix your sig.</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, I forgot to include this screenshot. The other team was a random PUG, not a premade.  They had no priest. According to you (Naggasaki), they are ultimately doomed?You are making a habit of being proven wrong.<img src="http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/Avirodar/survivability_BGs.jpg" /></p>

[Shorcon]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, as you requested it, I shall most generously provide.<img src="http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/Avirodar/Naggasaki_Owned.jpg" /></p><p>You are the one who claimed you would destroy me, should we ever meet in BattleGrounds. After your bold claims, when the time came for you to put your money where your mouth is, you lost.I have no doubt you will have a book of excuses ready for deployment, you have already started. Your team had at least one healer, and an SK+Zerker for tanks. I had a bruiser, and none of the OP caster DPS of the time. I was anticipating a hard fought contest, not the one sided slaughter we delivered.If they ever put in a 1 vs 1 arena, I hope to see you there. Make sure to have your excuses ready.Good day, sir!</p></blockquote><p>Ouch.</p>

[Crismorn]

<p>Avirodar is one of the best Inquisitors currently playing eq2 and has been for year"s."</p><p>Choose your battles more wisely in the future Naggasaki.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Um....screenshot or it never happened. And even then, BGs matches are horrible mismatches of classes and prove ZERO about ZERO regarding skill. If you are in a random PUG with no priest you are ultimately doomed.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, as you requested it, I shall most generously provide.<img src="http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr152/Avirodar/Naggasaki_Owned.jpg" /></p><p>You are the one who claimed you would destroy me, should we ever meet in BattleGrounds. After your bold claims, when the time came for you to put your money where your mouth is, you lost.I have no doubt you will have a book of excuses ready for deployment, you have already started. Your team had at least one healer, and an SK+Zerker for tanks. I had a bruiser, and none of the OP caster DPS of the time. I was anticipating a hard fought contest, not the one sided slaughter we delivered.If they ever put in a 1 vs 1 arena, I hope to see you there. Make sure to have your excuses ready.Good day, sir!</p></blockquote><p>No excuse train here. You killed me. YAAAAY!</p><p>But to address your other post about 'ultimately doomed'....isn't that two SK's, Two Wizards and a Troub on the red team? During a time in which 'spell damage' is ultimately not even worth discussing at this point?</p><p>/shrug</p><p>But I did notice that there is zero information regarding the team makeup from your 'OMG I EXECUTED NAGGASAKI' screenshot. Either way, congrats!</p><p>p.s I find it sad and pathetic that you remember someone's post enough to actively look for them in the heat of a BG's match and screenshot it when you kill them. Well played sir.</p>

[Brimestar]

If someone on a blue server wants a pap item to use in BG...roll on a red server....it should be real easy to get now with the fact all pvp tokens will become the same and they are "stream lining" it...

[Avirodar]

<p> <cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>No excuse train here. You killed me. YAAAAY!<p>But to address your other post about 'ultimately doomed'....isn't that two SK's, Two Wizards and a Troub on the red team? During a time in which 'spell damage' is ultimately not even worth discussing at this point?<span style="color: #ff0000;">The "sorted by heal" result window I posted, was from after the spell damage nerf occurred. Same conditions as we play this very day. So it is perfectly valid.</span></p><p>/shrug</p><p>But I did notice that there is zero information regarding the team makeup from your 'OMG I EXECUTED NAGGASAKI' screenshot. Either way, congrats!<span style="color: #ff0000;">Thank you. I am glad you are starting to see things my way.</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">I screenshotted you dying at my hand for the sake of amusement. I did not care enough to go to the added effort of identifying the poor souls who had to group with you.</span></p><p>p.s I find it sad and pathetic that you remember someone's post enough to actively look for them in the heat of a BG's match and screenshot it when you kill them. Well played sir.<span style="color: #ff0000;">I know, it is sad and pathetic that someone can present a screenshot after you call for it to be shown! It must make it that much harder to dribble garbage to defend yourself when that happens. How obnoxious...</span></p></blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p>um...what?</p><p>I said congrats. What more could you possibly want...a cookie? BTW, 300 points does not make a Klak win. But..good job.</p><p>And just a bit O.T...brimestar, where's your sig? =(</p>

[Shotneedle]

<p><cite>Naggasaki@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>But to address your other post about 'ultimately doomed'....isn't that two SK's, Two Wizards and a Troub on the red team? During a time in which 'spell damage' is ultimately not even worth discussing at this point.</p></blockquote><p>Just to point it out.</p><p>Ifail is a powerleveled paladin that recently betrayed to SK. He probably had ad3s at best and mastercrafted gear.</p><p>That is all.</p><p>EDIT: Also has like 90 aa.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p>I feel compelled to remind you (Avirodar) that, through all the trash that has/is been thrown around, I distinctly stated that 'if you win, then my hats off to you'. I've looked and looked but there are just WAY too many cry fest threads to sort through.</p><p>Also, I was one of the people arguing that PvE players be allowed access to the 'procs' that were being complained about. Albeit with certain restrictions regarding tiers. Allow me to point you towards a few key topics regarding this gear.</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=90&topic_id=473219" target="_blank">Initial BG smack fest</a></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=473399" target="_blank">Another complaint thread about PvP gear</a></p><p>The funniest part is that I actually had to look for these threads and in doing so, our many predictions about the procs being 'granted' in the near future did, in fact, come true.</p>

[Shankapotomus]

<p>Gotta love this post.</p><p>First everyone from blues is complaining about the fear proc on the banshee hoop. Then timetraveler decides to get on here and clear up the arguement making all their view points invalid. So then they come on and complain about how it is now useless gear and they don't even care about it because no one will waste their slot on it now.</p><p>Can we stop complaining for the sake of complaining and talk about relevant points?</p><p>Please Stop the QQ</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Uh... I don't really have a horse in this race, but from the information provided by your screenshot, I can see a Nagafen player (i.e. Lyricist) doing a majority of the killing of the other team in that fight.</p><p>So, from what I can tell from the information you provided, your group has a 90 Troubador and a 90 Bruiser from PvP servers.  One screen shot showing you getting a kill shot on a Nagafen player doesn't exactly demonstrate "bluebies" slapping around red server players... wouldn't you agree?</p><p>If you provided the end game parse we might have more information to go on.</p>

[Taldier]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p> Uh... I don't really have a horse in this race, but from the information provided by your screenshot, I can see a Nagafen player (i.e. Lyricist) doing a majority of the killing of the other team in that fight.</p><p>So, from what I can tell from the information you provided, your group has a 90 Troubador and a 90 Bruiser from PvP servers.  One screen shot showing you getting a kill shot on a Nagafen player doesn't exactly demonstrate "bluebies" slapping around red server players... wouldn't you agree?</p><p>If you provided the end game parse we might have more information to go on.</p></blockquote><p>Shhh, dont try to inject logic and reason into the rage.</p><p>He totally single-handedly killed that guy with his group. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Uh... I don't really have a horse in this race, but from the information provided by your screenshot, I can see a Nagafen player (i.e. Lyricist) doing a majority of the killing of the other team in that fight.</p><p>So, from what I can tell from the information you provided, your group has a 90 Troubador and a 90 Bruiser from PvP servers.  One screen shot showing you getting a kill shot on a Nagafen player doesn't exactly demonstrate "bluebies" slapping around red server players... wouldn't you agree?</p><p>If you provided the end game parse we might have more information to go on.</p></blockquote><p>Whats the matter, did I hurt your server pride, or slap around your friend?</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Uh... I don't really have a horse in this race, but from the information provided by your screenshot, I can see a Nagafen player (i.e. Lyricist) doing a majority of the killing of the other team in that fight.</p><p>So, from what I can tell from the information you provided, your group has a 90 Troubador and a 90 Bruiser from PvP servers.  One screen shot showing you getting a kill shot on a Nagafen player doesn't exactly demonstrate "bluebies" slapping around red server players... wouldn't you agree?</p><p>If you provided the end game parse we might have more information to go on.</p></blockquote><p>Whats the matter, did I hurt your server pride, or slap around your friend?</p></blockquote><p>Neither, as I said, I don't believe I have a horse in this race. </p><p>Unjustified and/or anecdotal statements are just a pet peeve of mine.  </p><p>Can I see the final parse?</p>

[Wraithwarr]

<p>Making BG gear BG only is really going to [Removed for Content] a lot of people off.  Keeping parts of your game seperate like this has been the death of many MMO's.  Having pvp gear for getting kills and winning bg's you can use in the world is a great idea to get people active who may be wary of pvp or who have never tried it.   </p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Wraithwarr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making BG gear BG only is really going to [Removed for Content] a lot of people off.  Keeping parts of your game seperate like this has been the death of many MMO's.  Having pvp gear for getting kills and winning bg's you can use in the world is a great idea to get people active who may be wary of pvp or who have never tried it.   </p></blockquote><p>Wow? Kinda like disabling PvP gear in BGs?</p>

[Ralpmet]

<p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wraithwarr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making BG gear BG only is really going to [Removed for Content] a lot of people off.  Keeping parts of your game seperate like this has been the death of many MMO's.  Having pvp gear for getting kills and winning bg's you can use in the world is a great idea to get people active who may be wary of pvp or who have never tried it.   </p></blockquote><p>Wow? Kinda like disabling PvP gear in BGs?</p></blockquote><p>To be fair my inquis even after PVP armor nerf can still stand up to multiple non-raid-geared bluebies in the 80-89 bracket without even healing, it's pretty laughable, so I understand why they nerfed it.</p><p>At the same time, I'd really appreciate being able to take on multiple groups and heal through them like nothing again, so please re-instate my awesome procs asap soe.</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

<p><cite>Ralpmet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Notsovilepriest@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wraithwarr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Making BG gear BG only is really going to [Removed for Content] a lot of people off.  Keeping parts of your game seperate like this has been the death of many MMO's.  Having pvp gear for getting kills and winning bg's you can use in the world is a great idea to get people active who may be wary of pvp or who have never tried it.   </p></blockquote><p>Wow? Kinda like disabling PvP gear in BGs?</p></blockquote><p>To be fair my inquis even after PVP armor nerf can still stand up to multiple non-raid-geared bluebies in the 80-89 bracket without even healing, it's pretty laughable, so I understand why they nerfed it.</p><p>At the same time, I'd really appreciate being able to take on multiple groups and heal through them like nothing again, so please re-instate my awesome procs asap soe.</p></blockquote><p>Just about any healing class can stand up to a bunch of crap geared people that aren't working together though, with or without that gear.</p>

[Naggasaki]

<p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I feel for you. All that time, effort and investment on a "hardcore" red pvp server, only to get slapped around by bluebies. Maybe when you stop thinking you know everything, you may come to possess the skills I see countless other tanks displaying in BG matches.</p></blockquote><p>Uh... I don't really have a horse in this race, but from the information provided by your screenshot, I can see a Nagafen player (i.e. Lyricist) doing a majority of the killing of the other team in that fight.</p><p>So, from what I can tell from the information you provided, your group has a 90 Troubador and a 90 Bruiser from PvP servers.  One screen shot showing you getting a kill shot on a Nagafen player doesn't exactly demonstrate "bluebies" slapping around red server players... wouldn't you agree?</p><p>If you provided the end game parse we might have more information to go on.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: small; color: #ff0000;">Whats the matter, did I hurt your server pride, or slap around your friend?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;">...............</span><span style="font-size: medium;">BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!</span></p><p>Seriously, I have to go wipe these tears of laughter out of my eyes now. Only one word can describe clinging onto a 'victory' like this....epeen.</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Avirodar@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite> </cite></p><p>Whats the matter, did I hurt your server pride, or slap around your friend?</p></blockquote><p>Neither, as I said, I don't believe I have a horse in this race. </p><p>Unjustified and/or anecdotal statements are just a pet peeve of mine.  </p><p>Can I see the final parse?</p></blockquote><p>Is that a "No"?</p>

[Avirodar]

<p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Horknut@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><p>Is that a "No"?</p></blockquote><p>I would gladly provide such, if EQ2 had a score history function.</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<p>You went out of your way to screen shot the killing shot on an individual, but didn't screen shot the final score/parse?</p><p>"SUSPICIOUS!" - Blooregard Q. Kazoo</p>