BG's killed this game for me. Cya on the flip side. [Archive]

Nofro

04-18-2010, 03:38 PM

As I posted a while back in my open letter to SoE (http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=474646) - BG's have made this game untenable for me. 1) It killed the open world population.2) It rewards people for the wrong things. (Why would you get something for loosing? it doesn't happen in any other part of the game.)3) It makes open world PvP unbalanced for those who don't participate in BGs.At this point I'm not trying to fix or change anything. I've been off for a month and don't plan on coming back unless something major happens and they seem pretty committed to this BG thing. I'll check the patch notes now and again.Oh.. and for those that are upset about the nurf I've been reading about, really it's not worth fighting about. Over the 10 yrs I've been playing this game it's just easier to roll a few alts and switch it up when they mess w/stuff. I know it's a long play but totally worth it.Astalavista baby...V.P.S. I'm keeping my stuff.... just in case they do reverse their decision but I'm guessing EQ3 will be out before that happens.

Neskonlith

04-18-2010, 03:53 PM

Protip: casters exploiting bugged spell resists for godmode Token farming killed open-pvp. Crafting was more fun for the non-OP.<img src="http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb310/Bitter_Coffee/screenies/stayinalivediscogoodgood.jpg" />...with bugfixed spell resists, players are actually stayin' alive, stayin' alive...Might as well admit that you are actually a hardcore ABBA fan trolling the forum, because the truth is that the BeeGees rock!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />

Nofro

04-18-2010, 05:37 PM

No idea [Removed for Content] your talking about. I could care less about the PvP balance, when there is no one around to kill the game's not worth playing.Nice pull on Abba and BG's though.Pro tip: anyone posting a pic. with a troll in it is by def. a troll.

Candoor

04-18-2010, 05:48 PM

Each to their own.For me its a lot more entertaining than grouping / raiding and has added a real change to what feels a repetitive never ending merry go round sometimes (strive for level, loot..rinse repeat...). Your quite right that it does upset the status quo somewhat in that people are in BG a lot instead of grouping things are changing and alas for some its not what they want. Time will tell if more are into it than are not. I look forward to a lot more content being built on BG and PVP outside of PVP servers.Also EQ'ing since 99 etc... number of 90 chars etc.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Neskonlith

04-18-2010, 06:00 PM

<cite>Nofro wrote:</cite><blockquote>I could care less about the PvP balance, when there is no one around to kill the game's not worth playing.</blockquote>How did you miss the last 2 months of bugged resists where lowbie casters could one-shot against full Toughness?No one to kill in open-PVP is a direct result of no one wanting to be exploded by solo trash-geared green-cons.PVP balance means everything when it becomes so one-sided and unfair, that only bugged-out casters are the ones left crying in the abandoned wastelands searching for someone to one-shot.BeeGees are fun for non-OP, and losing still allows for an eventual upgrade to gear that will make a difference against OP. Darn right, the OP must hate that idea - since they would be forced to fight on even terms!Too bad, so sad... nice stuff inc: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=476584">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=476584</a><ul><li>Level locking enabled starting at level 30. </li><li>Removal of level restrictions for Achievement distribution. </li><li>100% achievement bar settings prior to max level. </li><li>Single Currency for Open PVP, the Discord Token. </li><li>Warfields! Antonica and Commonlands... </li><li></li><li>Brand new 1st Campaign armor sets and accessories </li><li>Many of the accessories are based upon the currently BG-disabled RoK PvP accessories. Those adornments have had their effects adjusted and will be re-enabled for battlegrounds! </li><li>Each armor piece will have a pvp-only Blue adornment slot! </li><li>As such, we'll all be introducing 20+ new Blue adornments! </li><li>Battlegrounds at levels 30, 40, 50, 60, and 70 are being activated! </li><li>Battleground armor sets and accessories will be on sale at each of those tiers </li><li>Brand new open-pvp server battles for control of Antonica and Commonlands!</li></ul>Additionally, we've internally removed the ~15% damage reduction applied to all spells in pvp combat. I'd like to once again ask for y'all to copy over to test-copy and give us feedback on the change.Thanks for giving up so easily, now that the resists bugfix is in and caster godmode is over!<img src="http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb310/Bitter_Coffee/screenies/ABBAheldhostage.jpg" />

Armironhead

04-18-2010, 07:53 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote>BeeGees are fun for non-OP, </blockquote>speak for yourself. bgs have sucked since beta regardless of whether you're op or not. sure there are some who like the bgs, but imo those folk are the ones who werent trully red to begin with; folk who either come from the bluebee servers to begin with or were trapped on the red servers by soe's policy of not allowing transfers to the bluebee servers. You may find a wack-a-mole version of pvp in a can fun, but that doesnt mean its fun for everyone. In fact, soe knew it had to add a gear grind to push people to use the bgs. Without the gear, where would those craptastic zones be?

Nofro

04-20-2010, 02:15 AM

<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/user/profile.m?user_id=173387">Neskonlith</a> I see you have a hard time keeping on subject. There are tons of posts hashing out on all the stuff you're saying, I will not address any of it here.Nice work also on trying to insight a flame war but really I just think with BG's this game sucks and I've been playing it long enough to know what I like and, in this case, what I think is a game killer, at least for PvP.Hopefully things will change. I'll keep my feelers out for when/if that happens.I'd totally be into a FFA everywhere server but I'm old school like that.V.

Neskonlith

04-20-2010, 01:16 PM

<cite>Nofro wrote:</cite><blockquote> Nice work also on trying to insight a flame war </blockquote>Kind of funny that some players who purport to take pleasure in player-versus-player confrontations appear to have such a difficult time with another player disagreeing with them! Internet forums are "old school FFA" action, yet here you are "cutting and running" without backing your claims up! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />I disagreed with you about the major reason behind the death of open-pvp. You appear to want everyone to ignore the inevitable effects of ~56 days of ridiculously broken resists which allowed lowbie casters one-shots on full pvp geared characters, and instead try to shift blame towards the BeeGees for everything.Most players stayed in immunity and wrote off open-pvp because the one-sided nature of the bugged resists invalidated all the hard work put into their characters, and a MC wearing FOTM power-lvld lowbie alt merely had to hit their "I win" button to blow up characters without them having a chance to fight back.Remember the forced combat bug? These were actual game-breaking items that killed open-pvp for non-OP players.<cite>Nofro wrote:</cite><blockquote> No idea [Removed for Content] your talking about.</blockquote>I also pointed out the incoming pvp changes that SOE will be soon patching on Test-copy for us to test and /feedback on, for adjustment before it goes Live. One huge change that will go a long ways towards reviving open-pvp is the Warfields of Commonlands and Antonica... an actual open-pvp objective beyond zerg and one-shot!But, since you quit just as SOE is making an unprecedented effort to improve pvp, I suppose none of this really matters to you anymore.Cya!

Nofro

04-24-2010, 01:08 PM

Nesk = fail. I've got other things to do than read your diatribe of disjointed dialog (honestly I don't read what you write, so if it was something witty or funny I apologize but dude I'm just not into trolls - now female dark elfs on the other hand, or if I'm being freaky bald eurodite chics, but trolls not so much. Flame on w/your bad =3 self.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg" target="_blank">Neskonlith the troll under the bridge.</a>V.

Neskonlith

04-24-2010, 01:53 PM

<cite>Nofro wrote:</cite><blockquote><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg" target="_blank">Neskonlith the troll under the bridge.</a></blockquote>lol Not shabby, that link is a pretty decent homage to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpx6XnankZ8" target="_blank">the Monty Python Bridge of Death</a>!<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />

Pavahac

04-25-2010, 11:31 AM

I also believe BG has killed open world Pvp not op toons. SK's are op but people still play, rangers were op but people still played. Don't blame 56 days of op wizards, who finally got to have fun, on killing open world PvP.

Brimestar

04-25-2010, 02:53 PM

<cite>Nofro wrote:</cite><blockquote>As I posted a while back in my open letter to SoE (http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=474646) - BG's have made this game untenable for me. 1) It killed the open world population. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />2) It rewards people for the wrong things. (Why would you get something for loosing? it doesn't happen in any other part of the game.)3) It makes open world PvP unbalanced for those who don't participate in BGs.At this point I'm not trying to fix or change anything. I've been off for a month and don't plan on coming back unless something major happens and they seem pretty committed to this BG thing. I'll check the patch notes now and again.Oh.. and for those that are upset about the nurf I've been reading about, really it's not worth fighting about. Over the 10 yrs I've been playing this game it's just easier to roll a few alts and switch it up when they mess w/stuff. I know it's a long play but totally worth it.Astalavista baby...V.P.S. I'm keeping my stuff.... just in case they do reverse their decision but I'm guessing EQ3 will be out before that happens.</blockquote>QFE

Crismorn

04-25-2010, 09:54 PM

People that cry about bg's do so because they suck at them.Sucking is fine, just dont blame the game.

Kota

04-26-2010, 04:45 AM

<cite>Pavahac@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>I also believe BG has killed open world Pvp not op toons. SK's are op but people still play, rangers were op but people still played. Don't blame 56 days of op wizards, who finally got to have fun, on killing open world PvP.</blockquote>pvp killed pvp. troll backwards 2 years in the forums and just read random posts.

qsnoopyjr

04-26-2010, 08:32 AM

IDK how it is at the higher levels or mid range levels but at lvl 25 - 35, there is a lot of people around, I sometimes cannot enter SS safely because freeps waiting at ZL and engage me on zoning in, and yesterday I had a fun brawl in crushbone it was us 6 qey vs 3 freeps and man those freeps were tough, almost died a few times and this one guy toke forever to get down. I'm really enjoying this server, I don't see how you could get this much fun on a normal server.The only thing I'm curious about is on the leaderboards the qeynos people are beating the freeps, like top 5 pvp'ers are qeynos. I get beat up by freeps all the time so idk always thought they better lol. Are the sides even, is that why freeps not top 5? I never really played in nek or freep but I really love the way qeynos is designed, I don't like greater faydark that much though.

Sadussa

04-26-2010, 11:39 AM

<cite>Crismorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>People that cry about bg's do so because they suck at them.Sucking is fine, just dont blame the game.</blockquote>The people that support BG are normally the ones that sucked at open world pvp. The cycle of the game has remained unchanged until bg's.In the past when a expansion came out guilds like kraken/onyx/kronyx all would go into hiding and raid 7 days a week until they all had the best possible raid gear. Only then would they come out and pvp.If you remember the days in KP when a single group of onyx would roll in and wipe x4 of freep and x4 of Q, granted there were some of them exploiting items like the ashen fishing rod or even using programs like tault, but still most of their success can be attributed to their gear.Couple of things has changed since then. BG's has helped players equip faster and have decent gear without raiding 24/7. Also with this last expansion the playing field was almost level. The advantage several guilds held wasn’t there with this last xpac. Since exile is no longer advantageous do you see any exile raiding guilds?I don’t like BG's but I can see how it has helped people to get gear without having to be in a guild filled with elitist premadona arsehats. I do see how it has crippled open world pvp

Naggasaki

04-26-2010, 12:09 PM

I absolutely DESPISE betagrounds. Not because I suck at them...some would argue that point but that's neither here nor there.I hate them for several reasons.1.) I'm TOTALLY disconnected from the game I have been playing these past few years. People are either online or they are not...can't tell anymore...maybe they're in BG's, maybe they are on an alt...WHERE ARE PEOPLE AT!!!?2.) It's sheite on a stick for grouping. You either roll in on a full pre-made *which rarely happens for me* or you get slammed with some of the most idiotic arsehats that wanna know if you know how to taunt. (yes I do btw)3.) It rewards you for FAILING. What f*&^%d up world do we live in when FAILURE rewards people. OMG!4.) Open world PvP is hiding in BG's until it's down. At that point all you see is full groups of BG geared toons steam rolling anyone or anything that moves.5.) PvE'rs that think they are playing by a PvP ruleset start talking smack thinking that killing someone in BG's actually means something. *lol*The list could go on, and on, and on.....Sheite can BG's on Naggy and give us our PvP back.

Neskonlith

04-26-2010, 02:14 PM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>The people that support BG are normally the ones that sucked at open world pvp.</blockquote>Open-pvp is for the OP to enjoy, not the weak classes. Real pvp players use bugged FOTM and crusaders, while suckers play non-OP toons and exist to be writ updates.BeeGees reward the non-OP with a pittance to allow them to eventually become a factor in pvp.

Sadussa

04-26-2010, 05:02 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>The people that support BG are normally the ones that sucked at open world pvp.</blockquote>Open-pvp is for the OP to enjoy, not the weak classes. Real pvp players use bugged FOTM and crusaders, while suckers play non-OP toons and exist to be writ updates.BeeGees reward the non-OP with a pittance to allow them to eventually become a factor in pvp.</blockquote>Any class can be played well in this game. This game is 90% gear 5% skill 5% luck all it takes is the right gear and any one to smash buttons. Not every one can play every class. Some people play certain classes better then others. I dont argue there are certain classes that seem to enjoy advantages when it comes to pvp, always seems to be the classes developers play, geee wounder why?? BG's doesnt change that in the least bit. Those classes are there weather BG is or is not there. BG doesnt have the same feel for me as open world pvp. It does take away from open world pvp. Why would u want to run around for hours on end and maybey get tokens or maybey not when u can go BG afk and get tokens?

Neskonlith

04-26-2010, 05:20 PM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>u can go BG afk and get tokens? </blockquote>/vote AFk ftw, don't be shy!One nice thing about BeeGees is that the entire game who participates and suffers an AFK exploiter knows them by reputation before they get banned or deleted - no longer is a cheating scumbag infamous solely in their own server.Non-OP in open-pvp = SOL, QQ moar, l2p, blablabla Non-OP in BeeGees = eventual Tokens to become slightly less [Removed for Content] over time.Open-pvp choice is obvious: Crusaders survive as tanks, heal like healers, and dps as high as T1 - so use a Crusader for open-pvp, and use any other class at all for BeeGees for fun.Warfields will likely become "The Norrathian Crusades".

Kota

04-26-2010, 05:29 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>u can go BG afk and get tokens? </blockquote>/vote AFk ftw, don't be shy!One nice thing about BeeGees is that the entire game who participates and suffers an AFK exploiter knows them by reputation before they get banned or deleted - no longer is a cheating scumbag infamous solely in their own server.Non-OP in open-pvp = SOL, QQ moar, l2p, blablabla Non-OP in BeeGees = eventual Tokens to become slightly less [Removed for Content] over time.Open-pvp choice is obvious: Crusaders survive as tanks, heal like healers, and dps as high as T1 - so use a Crusader for open-pvp, and use any other class at all for BeeGees for fun.Warfields will likely become "The Norrathian Crusades".</blockquote>i haven't theorized warfields much yet. one thing that will never change is the QQ. and then ppl saying 'this isn't real pvp'.

Sadussa

04-26-2010, 05:57 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>u can go BG afk and get tokens? </blockquote>/vote AFk ftw, don't be shy!One nice thing about BeeGees is that the entire game who participates and suffers an AFK exploiter knows them by reputation before they get banned or deleted - no longer is a cheating scumbag infamous solely in their own server.Non-OP in open-pvp = SOL, QQ moar, l2p, blablabla Non-OP in BeeGees = eventual Tokens to become slightly less [Removed for Content] over time.Open-pvp choice is obvious: Crusaders survive as tanks, heal like healers, and dps as high as T1 - so use a Crusader for open-pvp, and use any other class at all for BeeGees for fun.Warfields will likely become "The Norrathian Crusades".</blockquote>cant vote if u cant see em....people hide in some really amazing places.....again classes OP has nothing to do with BG killing pvp..... zip,,,, zero,,,,,, nadda

Sadussa

04-26-2010, 06:11 PM

<cite>Tenka@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>u can go BG afk and get tokens? </blockquote>/vote AFk ftw, don't be shy!One nice thing about BeeGees is that the entire game who participates and suffers an AFK exploiter knows them by reputation before they get banned or deleted - no longer is a cheating scumbag infamous solely in their own server.Non-OP in open-pvp = SOL, QQ moar, l2p, blablabla Non-OP in BeeGees = eventual Tokens to become slightly less [Removed for Content] over time.Open-pvp choice is obvious: Crusaders survive as tanks, heal like healers, and dps as high as T1 - so use a Crusader for open-pvp, and use any other class at all for BeeGees for fun.Warfields will likely become "The Norrathian Crusades".</blockquote>i haven't theorized warfields much yet. one thing that will never change is the QQ. and then ppl saying 'this isn't real pvp'.</blockquote>people will never stop QQ about BG not being real pvp bc it isint real pvp and never will be....Its like hunters that go hunting in a petting zoo. BG is just like dueling or one v one to me. You go in ready to pvp knowing ur gonna pvp and knowing exactly where others will be...in the petting zoo.... Open world pvp is random its unpredictable its non planned. I always laughed when I would kill someone open world then they would log on anbother toon asking for one v one. If u want 1v1 go duel blue server.Open world pvp is about knowing when to temp up not just b4 u duel, its knowing ur oponent. They can say what they want but the rule set is not the same for open world as compaired to BG. It doesnt feel the same or register the same. First off items people worked hard for in pvp to get items are nerfed yet blue server non pvp contested avatar gear wasnt.BG is nothing more then a wow knock off, which is fine by me if u like that sort of thing.....I play bg only cause I have to for the gear . Its more chore then fun.

VegasKiki

04-29-2010, 09:44 PM

Nofro you are retodid to believe BG's killed pvp.#1 BG's are way more fun than sitting on KP docks all day waiting for someone to stroll by#2 PVP has always been a task to locate someone to kill for a writ update! People are raiding, doing instances, crafting etc. etc. This game is more than just open world pvp dude. Everyone has their thing they are involved in! I am glad we have such a plethora of activities to do than just stand around in zergs. #3 I still find pvp if you know where to look newb. Why don't you try where everyone is headed. Just hang out outside the Erudin Library portal npc etc etc.. #4 They are allowing us to twink again. It was only in the lower tiers that don't have the instances and raiding where you could easily find pvp. So wait a bit and you can pull out a twink to have fun again.

VegasKiki

04-29-2010, 09:47 PM

On that note. It really stinks you can't vote someone AFK in battlegrounds unless you are right next to them.A popular place to go afk is up in the trees in Smugglers Den for example. You can't target a person up there to afk tag them. Plus you can't get people to the location where they are to tag them as afk.

Nofro

05-01-2010, 01:49 PM

<cite>Mynxe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nofro you are retodid to believe BG's killed pvp.#1 BG's are way more fun than sitting on KP docks all day waiting for someone to stroll by#2 PVP has always been a task to locate someone to kill for a writ update! People are raiding, doing instances, crafting etc. etc. This game is more than just open world pvp dude. Everyone has their thing they are involved in! I am glad we have such a plethora of activities to do than just stand around in zergs. #3 I still find pvp if you know where to look newb. Why don't you try where everyone is headed. Just hang out outside the Erudin Library portal npc etc etc.. #4 They are allowing us to twink again. It was only in the lower tiers that don't have the instances and raiding where you could easily find pvp. So wait a bit and you can pull out a twink to have fun again. </blockquote>#1 BG's really arn't fun, not even as fun as KP docks, at least for me. It really is worse than any other part of the game IMO so why would I waste any time there besides needing the gear up to compete in open world PvP. I was thinking about making a macro so my toon auto-magically ran around on autofollow in BGs afk as a protest and I'd get all my fail tokens for my gear but ethically I just can't bring myself to do it.#2 Thx for the update man, but I'm also a 90 Alch, 90 Tink, 90 Muter, and have 3 other (former) max level toons. I'm also an Artifact Raider (30+ HQ's done) and one of the top questers, so I think I'm getting the most out of the "other parts" of the game. Still the game for me is about open world PvP which you can't do in a world that has a post apocalyptical population w/o even any zombies running around.#3 There is some PvP but it's pretty much a ghost town (last time I checked). I've sat at the pads for over an hour and not seen any action - not even any fat troll chicks.#4 I hear ya on this. If I was still around I would roll another twink-alt and level him up for fun but as far as getting them to the end goal it's kind of a letdown.

Brimestar

05-01-2010, 01:59 PM

<cite>Mynxe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nofro you are retodid to believe BG's killed pvp.#1 BG's are way more fun than sitting on KP docks all day waiting for someone to stroll by (no, but that is a matter of opinion. but i don't sit and wait...i look)#2 PVP has always been a task to locate someone to kill for a writ update! People are raiding, doing instances, crafting etc. etc. This game is more than just open world pvp dude. Everyone has their thing they are involved in! I am glad we have such a plethora of activities to do than just stand around in zergs. (omg, you have to work to get something. work as in look for people? and btw, yes ppl complained about instances in RoK and TSO that people could escape to. But what were they doing....pve....now ppl can go to this bastardized version of pvp called bgs)#3 I still find pvp if you know where to look newb. Why don't you try where everyone is headed. Just hang out outside the Erudin Library portal npc etc etc.. (and who sticks around there honestly. I've seen 3-4 ppl just fly off, when im solo. not to say ppl do that all the time. other thing is since its not like RoK where you had to wait to get queued up to fly out, its an insta-click. And I know where to look, but its either feast or famine out there. the happy middle ground doesn't exist anymore).#4 They are allowing us to twink again. It was only in the lower tiers that don't have the instances and raiding where you could easily find pvp. So wait a bit and you can pull out a twink to have fun again. (and yet just another reason to detract from T9, or any other possible future tier, of pvp)</blockquote>Seriously, are you one of those ppl that think you should get a ribbon for coming in last place?

VegasKiki

05-01-2010, 05:21 PM

#1 BG's are way more fun than sitting on KP docks all day waiting for someone to stroll by (no, but that is a matter of opinion. but i don't sit and wait...i look). Response: Exactly my point. We all have and had to look for pvp. This has not changed. We have the "Hole" now which is the equivalent to "Karnors Castle" pvp. We have Stonebrunt Highlands that has unlimited level pvp range just like Kylong Plains. Before the BG's came out I would wait and look all day for pvp and couldn't find any unless I had a ranger. Even than we had to fly around and travel zone to zone just to find one or two random people questing. BG's didn't kill PVP, Its been long dead even before Battlegrounds. Now what they can do is offer better different things on the Merchant of Discord. I was really disappointed to see everything was the same as BG merchant (all except for the new mount on there). #2 PVP has always been a task to locate someone to kill for a writ update! People are raiding, doing instances, crafting etc. etc. This game is more than just open world pvp dude. Everyone has their thing they are involved in! I am glad we have such a plethora of activities to do than just stand around in zergs. (omg, you have to work to get something. work as in look for people? and btw, yes ppl complained about instances in RoK and TSO that people could escape to. But what were they doing....pve....now ppl can go to this bastardized version of pvp called bgs)Response: I completely agree on that pvp takes work and always has. The original poster said he has to work to look for pvp. We always have! This has not changed! I think its pretty exciting when you find someone and do get into a good open world pvp battle. I'm not the lazy one here Brimestar. I was telling the poster HE was lazy. #3 I still find pvp if you know where to look newb. Why don't you try where everyone is headed. Just hang out outside the Erudin Library portal npc etc etc.. (and who sticks around there honestly. I've seen 3-4 ppl just fly off, when im solo. not to say ppl do that all the time. other thing is since its not like RoK where you had to wait to get queued up to fly out, its an insta-click. And I know where to look, but its either feast or famine out there. the happy middle ground doesn't exist anymore).Response: So who is to blame here...SOE and the BG's or chicken chit gamers that run away? You said it, "people just fly and run away!" Exactly. How is that Sony's fault???I do agree that solo pvping rarely exists, it sucks. But it didn't exist before battlegrounds either. Lets face it. There are a few handfuls of folks out of 100 that are seriously seeking 1 vs 1. I am one of those. We can't blame Sony because we play with title huggers or zerg raids. They could possibly develop better incentives though for us to get into open world pvp. Having the new mount on there is NOT enough reason to get out and about.#4 They are allowing us to twink again. It was only in the lower tiers that don't have the instances and raiding where you could easily find pvp. So wait a bit and you can pull out a twink to have fun again. (and yet just another reason to detract from T9, or any other possible future tier, of pvp)Response: The only tier people spend any amount of instances and raiding in, are the max lvl ranges. Thats why pvping in lower tiers is more fruitful. People are not in those places, but rather out in the real world. I believe its a good thing we can level lock again. Now we can pick and choose which tier we want to spend our time in Norrath in. You say its a distraction from T9 and it is. But, like I said...in T9 people are off doing other things like raiding and instances. Level locking will bring more people into tiers where high level things aren't going on, thus providing more pvp opportunities.

VegasKiki

05-01-2010, 05:45 PM

#1 BG's really arn't fun, not even as fun as KP docks, at least for me. It really is worse than any other part of the game IMO so why would I waste any time there besides needing the gear up to compete in open world PvP. I was thinking about making a macro so my toon auto-magically ran around on autofollow in BGs afk as a protest and I'd get all my fail tokens for my gear but ethically I just can't bring myself to do it.Response: BG's are definitely a grind to get gear, but still easier than it used to be to get pvp gear. I wish they could make it so BG gear had a higher cost, than open world pvp token gear. That way you'd want to do open world pvp first because it costs less tokens to get the same stuff. You don't enjoy Battlegrounds and thats your choice. Nobody can change that. You have to understand though that many of us really DO enjoy them even though you don't. I for one, LOVE the battlegrounds. I do wish they had some sort of death fest FFA zone...or a King of the Hill scenario. Or a scenario within a city and you have to hunt and search for people within buildings. Wouldn't that be fun? Having to look for and kill people within a maze of buildings and doors?#2 Thx for the update man, but I'm also a 90 Alch, 90 Tink, 90 Muter, and have 3 other (former) max level toons. I'm also an Artifact Raider (30+ HQ's done) and one of the top questers, so I think I'm getting the most out of the "other parts" of the game. Still the game for me is about open world PvP which you can't do in a world that has a post apocalyptical population w/o even any zombies running around.Response: I never said you weren't involved in everything the game has to offer. I'm saying BECAUSE the game has so much more to offer, it will be harder to find people. #3 There is some PvP but it's pretty much a ghost town (last time I checked). I've sat at the pads for over an hour and not seen any action - not even any fat troll chicks.Response: I still fill a pvp writ an hour. I am sorry you are having bad luck. It is slim pickins though I agree...but I remember searching for hours with a ranger tracking BEFORE battlegrounds also. Its either you have to fight a whole group, someone running from you, or just maybe an actual 1v1. This is not Sony's fault. We just play with a lot of dumb chicken chit players. Lets ask Sony from some better open world incentives instead. #4 I hear ya on this. If I was still around I would roll another twink-alt and level him up for fun but as far as getting them to the end goal it's kind of a letdown. Response: The end game is a completely different game from the twink game (I know you know this). End game, we actively participate in raiding, instances, and grind for our master spells, etc etc. Most of us at end game are also trying to fill in our achievements in our journals to. The unfortunate thing about having so much to do in end game is...the average gamer doesn't have enough time in the day to do everything. The average gamer logs in, picks one thing to focus on for the day, than logs out and goes to work the next day. So there will be days that go by where you won't see them in Highlands pvping, but other days you will. T9 is only a letdown if you don't find instances, raiding, T9 crafting, faction grinding, master grinding, and achievement grinding satisfying, etc.. Compared to other MMO's, we are very lucky to have as much end game content and things to do as we do in EQ2. Try end game for AoC for example. "Great, I hit max level but there is nothing left to do. No quests, no achievements, no faction grinding, no player housing, no raiding, no battlegrounds, nada."

Davngr1

05-01-2010, 05:45 PM

BG is great fun. not sure what it did to pvp but anyway you cut it it's not true pvp so imo the pvp servers still offer their own flavor. as far as pve goes? it has cut down on actual groups but not because it's better then grouping anyway(both are equal fun imo) but because of the world wide "qued" system. i don't have to start a group or wait lfg for hours to HAVE FUN! my play time is far more effective thanks to this system and this is what has hurt PvE the fact that there is no WW que system for heroic zones. simple fix (maybe no for devs <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />): make a world wide system for "qued" heroic instance runs. you log in for 3 hours to play? you que up for the zones you want or "next available" on a world wide and you're enjoying close to your entire play time instead of spending 2 hour lfg or forming and maybe 1 hour playing.. granted pre-formed groups will be more effective AND the Ai that puts groups together would have to get a hell of lot smarter but imo it would make this game t*ts!

Brimestar

05-01-2010, 05:55 PM

You're probably one of those ppl that played SWG after the NGE and thought that was ok too. Another fail by SOE.

VegasKiki

05-01-2010, 05:56 PM

Seriously, are you one of those ppl that think you should get a ribbon for coming in last place?Response: who the frack are you referring to here. Obviously you must have the posts and responses confused dude. Why don't you retrace some steps and read because I am totally lost on where this is coming from. Neither Nofro or I deserved this.Nofro says BG's killed open world pvp and he doesn't like them.I said Open world pvp has been long dead.I'm not sure where any ribbons were involved.

Davngr1

05-01-2010, 06:08 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're probably one of those ppl that played SWG after the NGE and thought that was ok too. Another fail by SOE.</blockquote> please use this: <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu175/nite2regret/quote.jpg" border="0" /></a>

Brimestar

05-01-2010, 07:53 PM

<cite>Mynxe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, are you one of those ppl that think you should get a ribbon for coming in last place?Response: who the frack are you referring to here. Obviously you must have the posts and responses confused dude. Why don't you retrace some steps and read because I am totally lost on where this is coming from. Neither Nofro or I deserved this.Nofro says BG's killed open world pvp and he doesn't like them.I said Open world pvp has been long dead.I'm not sure where any ribbons were involved. </blockquote>OK Battlestar Galatica....Forum pvp alive and well lol...

Neskonlith

05-02-2010, 01:38 PM

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Forum pvp alive and well lol... </blockquote>Forum-pvp is a lot more fun than the meaningless multi-pvp gear set grinds for sub-standard rewards!

VegasKiki

05-02-2010, 01:54 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Forum pvp alive and well lol... </blockquote>Forum-pvp is a lot more fun than the meaningless multi-pvp gear set grinds for sub-standard rewards!</blockquote>Battlestar Gallactica FTW. I guess I was lucky with the pvp gear set. I love my charms that remove mez, stun, stifle, force target etc, etc.. Couple of my pieces have nice ward proc's also <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

Brimestar

05-02-2010, 02:01 PM

pvp gear or bg? Even thou they are exactly the same (cept for appearance and where you obtained it)

Nofro

05-02-2010, 04:11 PM

Seriously for those that think BG's are PvP you are totally and utterly diluted. BG's have no semblance what-so-ever to open world pvp. It's contrived and quaint.If you think being "good" at BG's = being good at PvP think again. If that was the case they would have the same open world PvP ruleset (which certainly needs to be fixed for balance), and not some other lame ruleset catering to bluebies. They are two completely different things. BG's = In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.Yes, looking for PvP was the name of the game, as it should be. BG's = Lavasortm docs when that expansion came out, except you win something even when you lose. I wasn't sure PvP could be lamer than LS docs but it seems to have come to fruition. I don't think anyone, at least any real pvper, would say that LS docs was real PvP. When I hear folks say BGs are real, it's a half hearted justification and we all know that's not the case.

VegasKiki

05-02-2010, 04:36 PM

I don't think anyone here was arguing that BG's are the same as world pvp. Null point to argue. Post invalid. Next.

Mary the Prophetess

05-02-2010, 04:46 PM

Bottom line:If you're not enjoying yourself, then do something else with your time. Why pay to do something that takes up your time and makes you angry and frustrated? If you are still here posting then obviously, although you may be upset, you're not *SO* upset that you are willing to leave all your investment of time and money behind.However the type of venting you are doing is unlikely to produce any of the changes you would like to see. Even if some of your suggestions are picked up, don't expect a rapid, (by rapid I mean within a 6 month period), change.You keep saying that if it doesn't improve then it's "hasta luego, baby". And yet you are still here.Warzones are coming. The new changes *may* make it better for you, but will probably fall short of your hopes and expectations. They very well make it worse from your point of view.All this sturm und drang is merely preaching to the choir.Time to fight, f-ck, or go for your gun.2cp

Brimestar

05-02-2010, 06:49 PM

All SOE is doing is slapping more paint on an already cracked wall.

Nofro

05-02-2010, 08:16 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bottom line:If you're not enjoying yourself, then do something else with your time. Why pay to do something that takes up your time and makes you angry and frustrated? >> I just hop in now and again to see if things have changed. I'm not actively playing, I'm looking at other games ATM. Yes w/10yrs played I'm not canceling my (2) subs, I'm just not playing. $ is not an issue. (For example w/the new research assistent update I logged all my toons on, cued them up, then logged.)If you are still here posting then obviously, although you may be upset, you're not *SO* upset that you are willing to leave all your investment of time and money behind.>> I wouldn't say upset it the right word. I would say disappointed. See above on $ and time.However the type of venting you are doing is unlikely to produce any of the changes you would like to see. Even if some of your suggestions are picked up, don't expect a rapid, (by rapid I mean within a 6 month period), change.>> Based on my exp. there is no real way to effect change in this game, besides starting a new MMORPG, WoW has done wonders for SoE's customer service and updates, although it hasn't always been a good thing.You keep saying that if it doesn't improve then it's "hasta luego, baby". And yet you are still here.>> Sheesh interwebz... It's not an all or nothing thing. I like EQ2, I just don't like it ATM. It may get fixed/it may not but it doesn't have the same appeal it used to w/the low population and BGs so I'm not playing.Warzones are coming. The new changes *may* make it better for you, but will probably fall short of your hopes and expectations. They very well make it worse from your point of view.>> Interesting I don't know what that is (sounds like the ultimate WoWization of EQ2). I will have to do some research. I'm assuming mass BG's. I would prefer a game will full-on Free For All PvP world wide, aka EQ1 Rallos Zek. I played Conan a while back and both WoW and Warhammer w/in the last few weeks checking them out again, but they are not quite there, I've played most of the games in this genre. I would say WoW by far has the most support/updates/money/is-a-real-world-class-game, execpt it is so [Removed for Content] cartoonie.All this sturm und drang is merely preaching to the choir.>> Sturm and drang - a little Friedrich Maximilian von Klinger, impressive.Time to fight, f-ck, or go for your gun.>> Not sure I'm with you on the all or nothing scenrio. I'm just hanging out waiting for something interesting to happen w/EQ2 and looking for an alternative. Kind of what the forums are for...2cp</blockquote>