Scouts in Beegee

[bryan4171]

<p>I find it disturbing the amount of QQing over scouts.  In particular Rangers and Assassins.   I mean they are T-1 DPS, we have no other purpose in life other than to DPS. Ranger utility NONE, Assassin in the PVP world hate transfer and a poison buff woohoo!   Ranger is spike DPS currently(kill one person wait for CA's to come back up and repeat), and a assassin well just plain out eat your face DPS.  So like the weirdo on you tube crying about Britney Spears said " LEAVE BRITNEY SCOUTS ALONE".  </p><p>If scouts are so overpowered please by all means throw up a ACT parse, but before you do why don't you compare it to a Raid Parse.  We are just doing what we were meant to do.   </p><p>On a side note I do feel for you mages and hope for the best in the next update.  </p>

[Blaidd]

<p>And your saying Sorcerors arnt T1 dps? Yet they got nerfed back into the stone ages.</p>

[leliloe]

<p><cite>bryan4171 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> We are just doing what we were meant to do.   </p></blockquote><p>Agree, pure dps classes without utilities should do... dps. being a scout or a mage. Hope for you all, predators, that you will not be the next target of whining fighters that can't stand dying. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[bryan4171]

<p>I am old school T-1 DPS should be Ranger, Assassin, Warlock, Wizzy.   Everyone else can cry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~~~~</p>

[Uskeab]

<p><cite>bryan4171 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I find it disturbing the amount of QQing over scouts.  In particular Rangers and Assassins.   I mean they are T-1 DPS, we have no other purpose in life other than to DPS. <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Ranger utility NONE</span></em></strong>, Assassin in the PVP world hate transfer and a poison buff woohoo!   Ranger is spike DPS currently(kill one person wait for CA's to come back up and repeat), and a assassin well just plain out eat your face DPS.  So like the weirdo on you tube crying about Britney Spears said " LEAVE BRITNEY SCOUTS ALONE".  </p><p>If scouts are so overpowered please by all means throw up a ACT parse, but before you do why don't you compare it to a Raid Parse.  We are just doing what we were meant to do.   </p><p>On a side note I do feel for you mages and hope for the best in the next update.  </p></blockquote><p>i would count snares/roots/speed buffs/poison procs/teleporting/stuns/stifles as a type of utility</p><p>scouts can keep me locked down better than mage classes except maybe a chanter.</p><p>/troll</p>

[Aleste]

<p>Most everyone has snares/roots ect of some type so its not utility. Evac could be but its not class spec and cant be used in pvp. Out out the t1 dps sorcs have the potential to do more multitarget dmg. Noone talks about that much tho.. and how scout damage is so situational back attacks in stealth ect.</p>

[Uskeab]

<p>then what "is" this mysterious bluebie utility u speak of?</p><p>teleporting? not situational, being max range shooting arrows for major dps isnt situational, being able to expose peoples backs, not situational. fighting with your group and tank taunting exposes plenty of backs, so waaa</p><p>/troll</p><p>and all the deagro target drops.</p><p>/troll off..</p>

[Novusod]

<p>Rangers for the most part are jokes though there are some really beast assassins out there I am not affraid of either predator. Mages are still the real DPS classes even post nerf. If a mage can be bothered to push more than 2 or 3 buttons then a mage will out DPS a scout especially if there are tanks involved. As a tank if I taunt a scout the scout is pretty much neutralized. If I taunt a mage the AE nukes are still going to make my group go BOOOOM. Half the battle with dealing with scouts is 90% of the bluebies out in BGs don't use see stealth totems. That is a lesson most Vox and Naggy players learn real quick. Not using totems is just asking a scout to come sneak up on you conceal on you. Most good scouts won't even go near you if they see that little eye ball on your buff bar. Anyway there has been way too much QQ about the scouts lately. People aren't even trying to take precautions but they come here to QQ on the forums instead.</p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Rangers for the most part are jokes though there are some really beast assassins out there I am not affraid of either predator. Mages are still the real DPS classes even post nerf. If a mage can be bothered to push more than 2 or 3 buttons then a mage will out DPS a scout especially if there are tanks involved. As a tank if I taunt a scout the scout is pretty much neutralized. If I taunt a mage the AE nukes are still going to make my group go BOOOOM. Half the battle with dealing with scouts is 90% of the bluebies out in BGs don't use see stealth totems. That is a lesson most Vox and Naggy players learn real quick. Not using totems is just asking a scout to come sneak up on you conceal on you. Most good scouts won't even go near you if they see that little eye ball on your buff bar. Anyway there has been way too much QQ about the scouts lately. People aren't even trying to take precautions but they come here to QQ on the forums instead.</p></blockquote><p>You don't need to use see stealth as Battlegrounds already has a 20 or 30 meter distance in which you can see stealth without any buffs anyways... And rangers are insanely good in BGs when players know how to use them. They are the only scout that can really break my bruiser down.</p>

[Armawk]

<p><cite>bryan4171 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am old school T-1 DPS should be Ranger, Assassin, Warlock, Wizzy.   Everyone else can cry <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />~~~~</p></blockquote><p>Special school more like. The game is not 1 dimensional and never has been except in the heads of parsemonkeys.</p><p>You seem to have not noticed that that tier 1 dps of yours should be accompanied by utter squishy status or it is more like god mode. Thats what was wrong with sorcerors you couldnt kill them but they could kill you easily. Assassins are silly right now. Rangers are what wizards were before this fix went in. Make hay because the sun wont be shining forever.</p>

[Darkonx]

<p>Scouts vs a Plate class = low dps</p><p>Wizards vs a Plate class = high dps</p><p>That is the different, and should always have been the difference. Mage DPS is unmodified due to armor type. It's just mages feel that scouts do too much because they wear cloth, so they see scouts still doing quite a bit of damage.</p>

[Zabom]

<p><cite>Darkonx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Scouts vs a Plate class = low dps</p><p>Wizards vs a Plate class = high dps</p><p>That is the different, and should always have been the difference. Mage DPS is unmodified due to armor type. <strong>It's just mages feel that scouts do too much because they wear cloth, so they see scouts still doing quite a bit of damage.</strong></p></blockquote><p>that is exactly the problem. We wear cloth so everyone can kill us easily. But now, thanks to the "fix" we can't kill anyone. Battlegrounds has turned into Meleegrounds.</p>

[Aleste]

<p>To uskeab... yes sins can port to you locks can port you away. Your point? Shooting arrows from far away for high dps, well other than being a ranger.. err [Removed for Content] are you talking about thats not utility. Mages win the from far away bracket sorry far more mage types are better fighting from a distance. Exsposing someones back isnt a utility its more like if we couldnt we wouldnt be able to use half our ca's.</p>

[Uskeab]

<p>to that guy above me in this post.</p><p>that was for the op that said rangers had no utility.</p><p>then what IS utility in your eyes? you want group heals? You want to wear plate? What do you consider utility?</p><p>Class with 0 Utility = Guardian</p><p>Every other class in the game has some sort of utilities.</p>

[Valind]

<p><cite>Uskeab@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>to that guy above me in this post.</p><p>that was for the op that said rangers had no utility.</p><p>then what IS utility in your eyes? you want group heals? You want to wear plate? What do you consider utility?</p><p>Class with 0 Utility = Guardian</p><p>Every other class in the game has some sort of utilities.</p></blockquote><p>You don't consider the following to be Utility?</p><p>1. Taunts2. Group stoneskins3. Intercepts4. Group mit buffs5. The best root in the game (blue AE, unbreakable)No such thing as a class without Utility. EVERYONE has atleast one group buff. EVERYONE can mess with agro. ETC ETC ETC</p>

[Uskeab]

<p>thanks for verifying my point. everyone has utility, some more than others.</p><p>wether or not guardians do, i woudlnt know cuz i dont play one.</p><p>nor does anyone care because 1 out of 50 tanks will be a guardian cuz soe hates them.</p>

[Xanrn]

<p>Oh more Sorcs crying about how they die really quick and don't do any dmg.</p><p>Why don't you find out what specc thoose sorcs who take dmg better than Tanks are running with and try that.</p><p>Yes Assassin/Rangers are nasty, but they die like little girls.</p><p>Sorcerers on the other hand mitigate most of my dmg down to nothing, while still nuking for 1-6k</p>

[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Ummudien@Guk wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oh more Sorcs crying about how they die really quick and don't do any dmg.</p><p>Why don't you find out what specc thoose sorcs who take dmg better than Tanks are running with and try that.</p><p>Yes Assassin/Rangers are nasty, but they die like little girls.</p><p>Sorcerers on the other hand mitigate most of my dmg down to nothing, while still nuking for 1-6k</p></blockquote><p>Fudge sorcerors. I don't give a [Removed for Content] about sorcerors. I want them to fix the other 4 mage classes. My spells hitting for 500-1k is stupid,ontop of the fact that I have zero survivability and those scouts that you say die like little girls..well they run up and auto attack me for 1-3k,while I can barely move their health bar.</p>

[Aleste]

<p>Utility to me is a bard or coecer/illy. Cant really be considered utility if everyone can do it. All tanks can taunt all healers can heal not all scouts can buff the living carp out of you. Not all casters can mez your whole group or make your healer/tank useless. Utility is more than something everyone has. Sins/rangers have no utility they make up for it with dps... thats kind of what the classes are built on more dps you have less utility you have. (sks being the exception)</p>

[Deathba]

Ok, i play as a ranger, so i am here to educate some sorcs crying us OP. A) The people that say rangers aren't scary and die like little girls ARE CORRECT. (Our only REAL defense aspect is the fact that we outrange everything but ourselves at 46-51 meter shot ranges pending on bow) Bypass that rather meager defensive aspect and you are good. Oh and stealth? W/e buy totems of the cat, GG stealth B) Rangers do a lot of damage (And AT RANGE)? NOT TRUE QQ your auto attacks hit hard!!! ORLY? They have a base attack speed time of NINE SECONDS assuming focus aim is up (19s timer on 1m recast) most the time, you are looking at around 100-120ish self haste... that's great...you're still looking at a 4.5 seconds or so per shot. (Not to mention that -in a raid setting where you are free to DPS as you wish- autoattacks only make up for approximately 25-30% of a rangers DPS) Moving on to combat arts: As far as the most damage output go... our MELEE combat arts are as essential as our ranged combat arts. Lets compare: Hidden Shot (1m Cooldown, Requires stealth) i hit this for 1200-2000 damage, no special effect Ice Comet (1m Cooldown IIRC? Anytime castable) Does anywhere from like 3-8k damage (and double attacks at like 12-14% chance) AND knockdown! Oh gee, what's superior? Here's some other tips: Rangers have NO stifle, and NO interrupt AT RANGE Rangers only have a knockdown and a 2 second stun, AT 5M range. A ranger not in melee combat is only doing approx 60-70% of his total DPS capability (oh...but wait, ANY caster does 100% dps at ANY range) Be glad we arent an assassin that can't Shadow step (for more damage than any ranger shot does PERIOD) conceal(Stealth upon an attack) and jugular slice (daze) you...well those are all on 1 minute timers, and now you are pretty much screwed. So yeah, rangers are actually kind of crappy as someone mentioned before, and theres the facts on why. PS: Any warlock or wiz that has problems staying alive has either (A) horrible gear or (B) isn't specced stam for manashield...which is absolutely horrendously brutal IMHO (i want to say OP, but i dont want to cry OP) i just think it should only absorb 50 or 75% of incoming damage, NOT all! (Love when a lock/wiz turns manashield on at 5% life, and now instead of having like 500 health, they now effectively have like 10,000hp thanks to manashield) oh and +1000 physical mitigation too.... yeah GG amazing tree /End educational wall of text

[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Deathbane@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Ok, i play as a ranger, so i am here to educate some sorcs crying us OP. A) The people that say rangers aren't scary and die like little girls ARE CORRECT. (Our only REAL defense aspect is the fact that we outrange everything but ourselves at 46-51 meter shot ranges pending on bow) Bypass that rather meager defensive aspect and you are good. Oh and stealth? W/e buy totems of the cat, GG stealth B) Rangers do a lot of damage (And AT RANGE)? NOT TRUE QQ your auto attacks hit hard!!! ORLY? They have a base attack speed time of NINE SECONDS assuming focus aim is up (19s timer on 1m recast) most the time, you are looking at around 100-120ish self haste... that's great...you're still looking at a 4.5 seconds or so per shot. (Not to mention that -in a raid setting where you are free to DPS as you wish- autoattacks only make up for approximately 25-30% of a rangers DPS) Moving on to combat arts: As far as the most damage output go... our MELEE combat arts are as essential as our ranged combat arts. Lets compare: Hidden Shot (1m Cooldown, Requires stealth) i hit this for 1200-2000 damage, no special effect Ice Comet (1m Cooldown IIRC? Anytime castable) Does anywhere from like 3-8k damage (and double attacks at like 12-14% chance) AND knockdown! Oh gee, what's superior? Here's some other tips: Rangers have NO stifle, and NO interrupt AT RANGE Rangers only have a knockdown and a 2 second stun, AT 5M range. A ranger not in melee combat is only doing approx 60-70% of his total DPS capability (oh...but wait, ANY caster does 100% dps at ANY range) Be glad we arent an assassin that can't Shadow step (for more damage than any ranger shot does PERIOD) conceal(Stealth upon an attack) and jugular slice (daze) you...well those are all on 1 minute timers, and now you are pretty much screwed. So yeah, rangers are actually kind of crappy as someone mentioned before, and theres the facts on why. PS: Any warlock or wiz that has problems staying alive has either (A) horrible gear or (B) isn't specced stam for manashield...which is absolutely horrendously brutal IMHO (i want to say OP, but i dont want to cry OP) i just think it should only absorb 50 or 75% of incoming damage, NOT all! (Love when a lock/wiz turns manashield on at 5% life, and now instead of having like 500 health, they now effectively have like 10,000hp thanks to manashield) oh and +1000 physical mitigation too.... yeah GG amazing tree /End educational wall of text</blockquote><p>Sounds like you are a terrible ranger in my opinion. If I can log onto a ranger I have never played before(Which I did the other day) and completely top the parse,and completely own anyone that got in my way..then that says alot about the class. It's easy..Seriously. You get a bow shot that roots and one that snares..pop both of those,one round of auto attack for 1-2k plus double attacks,and your enemy is dead.</p><p>Rangers are far from crappy..the scrubs like you who play them are crappy. Ask a nagafen ranger for some tips tbh.</p>

[Uskeab]

<p>your ranger must suck, ive had some in a gears match do 800k.</p><p>imo one of the biggest "utilities" that any class has is poisons.</p><p>pick your poison, to do what you need for that situation.</p><p>/moAr troll</p>

[Aleste]

<p><cite>Uskeab@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>your ranger must suck, ive had some in a gears match do 800k.</p><p>imo <strong>one of the biggest "utilities" that any class has is poisons</strong>.</p><p>pick your poison, to do what you need for that situation.</p><p>/moAr troll</p></blockquote><p>If you want posions roll a non bard scout. Poision are just a proc you can get the same effects from adornments. Let's not nit pick about one class has and the other doesnt. You cannot rely on a proc to go off when you need it to. If you think scouts are op... roll one.</p>