Terris Thule

[Xalmat]

<p>Totally random question, but what lore is there on Terris Thule? Did she have any enemies? Who was she allied with?</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Terris is the daughter of Cazic, brother of Morelle, who is probably her only 'real' enemy. she's allied to her father, Cazic as far as we know has no other allies...unless she gets Caziz's allies by default. She rules the demiplane of Nightmares, which apparently still exists as the Gruengrach are from there. her form in eq1 was a good looking woman in a long purple dress, she had no mouth, hollow sockects where hers are supposed to be, long black hair and a pair of horns that kinda acted like a tiara for her. </p><p>the only actions in eq we know of her involvement in was it seems Karana from PoP...I think she was the instigator that trapped him in his mediations/let Agnarr out, and helping her father and Inny I think it was try to steal Mith marr's gift of life...that morelle intervened with and gave rise to the frogloks and barbarians.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Supposedly, and there is NO EVIDENCE OR PROOF to back up this claim, Cazic Thule created Terris and Morrell Thule by combining his essence with Quellious in order to settle a disput over who should rule over the dreamrealms.</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>As noted elsewhere, the NPC 'Setri Lur'eth' in Nektulos for the Nights of the Dead quests there may represent a diminished version of Terris Thule.  Note also, her epithet 'The Dream Scorcher' is the name of the Defiler epic weapon.</p><p>So, it looks like she's gathering power to make her presence known on Norrath once again...</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Anaogi@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As noted elsewhere, the NPC 'Setri Lur'eth' in Nektulos for the Nights of the Dead quests there may represent a diminished version of Terris Thule.  Note also, her epithet 'The Dream Scorcher' is the name of the Defiler epic weapon.</p><p>So, it looks like she's gathering power to make her presence known on Norrath once again...</p></blockquote><p>I really, really hope that she is one of the two returning goddesses!  She was my favorite diety in EQ1 and would love to see her (and worship her) here. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

If that is true, then if the developers wanted to, they could escalate Terris and Morrell Thule into worshippable deities through the Nights of the Dead and Hero Festival events.

[mixx]

<p>In EQ1, Terris Thule's plane was made accessible to mortals because of a man named Thelin had studied the dark arts of cazic-thule via some teachings made available via Zebuxorok - over the years it had slowly ruined his life till he became a begger in freeport where he eventually met with some other followers of zebuxorok and they found their way to the plane of tranquility. Over the years in the plane of tranquility he was finally able to study what he had learnd on norrath and opened a portal into the plane of nightmares. Terris Thule was so angry that he had opened a way to her planes for all to use that she made him torture and cut himself with the a valuable dagger a dwarf had given him out of pity when he was a begger in freeport, though others had bandaged him and helped him recover somewhat he eventually slipped into a painful nightmarish coma</p><p>In EQ1's plane of power you head to the plane of nightmares that Thelin had made accessible to mortals to help him wake from this never ending nightmare</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Terris is the daughter of Cazic, brother of Morelle, who is probably her only 'real' enemy. she's allied to her father, Cazic as far as we know has no other allies...unless she gets Caziz's allies by default. She rules the demiplane of Nightmares, which apparently still exists as the Gruengrach are from there. her form in eq1 was a good looking woman in a long purple dress, she had no mouth, hollow sockects where hers are supposed to be, long black hair and a pair of horns that kinda acted like a tiara for her. </p><p>the only actions in eq we know of her involvement in was it seems Karana from PoP...I think she was the instigator that trapped him in his mediations/let Agnarr out, and helping her father and Inny I think it was try to steal Mith marr's gift of life...that morelle intervened with and gave rise to the frogloks and barbarians.</p></blockquote><p>I wouldn't use the Gruengrach as evidence of the planes existance. While they are suppose to be from there, there are a lot of entities around Norrath that came from the planes. The Valkarie in Everfrost were all forced out of the Plane of Ice before E'ci collapsed it. The Dijinn escaped the Plane of Sky as portions of it floated into Norrath. The Shadowmen slipped into Norrath even though they are "trapped" in The Void. Who is to say the Gruengrach didn't survive the collapse of the Plane of Nightmare by either escaping into another plane, or in a lost fragment similar to the Shard of Love, Hate or Fear?</p>

[Anaogi]

<p>She's clearly been up to <em>something</em> of late.  Using Nights of the Dead to gather power for starters...and she's involved in <em>some</em> way with the Defiler epic, given it's got her epithet on it.  I'm torn as to what "Vykki" represents, while I'd be intrigued by a new demigodess of some sort wandering about, it seems likely this 'granddaughter' was solely concocted for the purposes of a hook for Charnel Hollow.</p><p>So yeah, we'll be hearing more from the younger Thules I think.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Anaogi@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As noted elsewhere, the NPC 'Setri Lur'eth' in Nektulos for the Nights of the Dead quests there may represent a diminished version of Terris Thule.  Note also, her epithet 'The Dream Scorcher' is the name of the Defiler epic weapon.</p><p>So, it looks like she's gathering power to make her presence known on Norrath once again...</p></blockquote><p>Easy. Just rearrange the letters in "Setri Lur'eth" and you'll find out.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>doesn't the Defiler epic line tell us that Terris was consumed by Cazic though? or was it just her plane was absorbed?</p>

[Anaogi]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Anaogi@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As noted elsewhere, the NPC 'Setri Lur'eth' in Nektulos for the Nights of the Dead quests there may represent a diminished version of Terris Thule.  Note also, her epithet 'The Dream Scorcher' is the name of the Defiler epic weapon.</p><p>So, it looks like she's gathering power to make her presence known on Norrath once again...</p></blockquote><p>Easy. Just rearrange the letters in "Setri Lur'eth" and you'll find out.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, that's the 'as noted elsewhere' part. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Still kicking myself it took until this year for me to notice, though...</p>

[Coniaric]

<p>I think it's more like it was the plane of Nightmares that was absorbed. Quellious did merged the demi-plane of Serenity into her own - Master Wu was the demi-god of Serenity and he wasn't "erased" out.</p><p>Then again, Cazic-Thule himself is an evil deity - it is also possible he did wiped Terris out of existence.</p><p>Just keep in mind, just because a deity disappeared, it doesn't mean their nature/essence is completely gone. As long there are nightmares in Norrath, Terris can still make a comeback.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think it's more like it was the plane of Nightmares that was absorbed. Quellious did merged the demi-plane of Serenity into her own - Master Wu was the demi-god of Serenity and he wasn't "erased" out.</p><p>Then again, Cazic-Thule himself is an evil deity - it is also possible he did wiped Terris out of existence.</p><p>Just keep in mind, just because a deity disappeared, it doesn't mean their nature/essence is completely gone. As long there are nightmares in Norrath, Terris can still make a comeback.</p></blockquote><p>While I don't believe Terris is dead, I think your making a cart before the horse assumption here. Terris didn't invent nightmares anymore than Ayone Ro invented magic. Terris draws her power from Nightmares and those that have them. Since everybody experiences nightmares occasionally that gives her a wide power base. Not as wide as her fathers, but the first gods of influence got the best of them.</p><p>If Cazic drew in Terris and destroyed her, then Cazic probably would be assuming Nightmares as a portion of fear. Cazic could create another demi-god of Nightmare. But Moral Thule existed without his plane by burrying himself in dreams of mortals. Something similar could of been done for Terris, or since she was a close supporter of her father she could of simply resided on the Plane of Fear.</p><p>As far as Gods of Influence go, Fear is probably the big one. Everything feels fear, and it feeds him. Tranquility...sorry its a lesser emotion. Quellious probably had to tap all her resources, Cazic may have been in a position to be more choosie when it came to draining his family. Also, Wu was a demi-god. Terris and Moral are lesser gods, not demi-gods. Terris is definately treading on Cazic's territory, but Moral was not.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think it's more like it was the plane of Nightmares that was absorbed. Quellious did merged the demi-plane of Serenity into her own - Master Wu was the demi-god of Serenity and he wasn't "erased" out.</p><p>Then again, Cazic-Thule himself is an evil deity - it is also possible he did wiped Terris out of existence.</p><p>Just keep in mind, just because a deity disappeared, it doesn't mean their nature/essence is completely gone. As long there are nightmares in Norrath, Terris can still make a comeback.</p></blockquote><p>While I don't believe Terris is dead, I think your making a cart before the horse assumption here. Terris didn't invent nightmares anymore than Ayone Ro invented magic. Terris draws her power from Nightmares and those that have them. Since everybody experiences nightmares occasionally that gives her a wide power base. Not as wide as her fathers, but the first gods of influence got the best of them.</p><p>If Cazic drew in Terris and destroyed her, then Cazic probably would be assuming Nightmares as a portion of fear. Cazic could create another demi-god of Nightmare. But Moral Thule existed without his plane by burrying himself in dreams of mortals. Something similar could of been done for Terris, or since she was a close supporter of her father she could of simply resided on the Plane of Fear.</p><p>As far as Gods of Influence go, Fear is probably the big one. Everything feels fear, and it feeds him. Tranquility...sorry its a lesser emotion. Quellious probably had to tap all her resources, Cazic may have been in a position to be more choosie when it came to draining his family. Also, Wu was a demi-god. Terris and Moral are lesser gods, not demi-gods. Terris is definately treading on Cazic's territory, but Moral was not.</p></blockquote><p>You're misunderstanding me.</p><p>I never said Terris created nightmares. I said as long the nightmares exist, it feeds the diety of that aspect the power associated to it. So if there is a tiniest silver of Terris somewhere, she can build up herself back up again and influencing events to help her. In this case, she may be using the Nights of the Dead event to redirect the power back to herself.</p><p>Cazic may or may not be able to be choosy. There is no statement to support this by far.</p><p>Quellious was used as an example because it actually was mentioned in the lore and is a concrete evidence that patron deity does not necessarily "kill" the demi-god or lesser god to take the power of the demi- or lesser plane.</p><p>While you may not consider Tranquility a "big power", it's still up there. Opinions are going to differ on this subject. Fear, Hate, War. Tranquility, Love, Valor. If Fear is strong because it's a bigger influence, but a sense of Valor can overcome it. So which is weaker and which is stronger?</p><p>All the powers of Nature and Influences are supposed to balance each other so that a single power doesn't end up dominating everything there are in the universe. This was what Rhoen Theer was supposed to do and that was why the gods feared him and his ability to eliminate them.</p><p>And, of course Ayonae Ro didn't "invent" magic. That wasn't even her field.</p>