Research changes with build 6380T

[Bunji]

<p>With the new Test server build, each character on an account can research a spell at the same time (this should not affect existing research).  Please let us know if you experience any research related issues after this update.  Thanks.</p>

[Looker1010]

<p>What a truly wonderful change this is. A giant <span style="font-size: large;"><strong>THANK YOU</strong></span> to you!</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /> Looking forward to this.</p>

[Finora]

<p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p>

[Wazeau]

<p>Thrilled and looking forward to this going live!  Was always so traumatic deciding between which of my alts gets to use the research assistant for the current cycle <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Bunji]

<p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>Research times are also being tweaked (lowered).  Those changes should be on Test in the near future.</p>

[Rocc]

<p>This is a great addition. Thank you. We need to be [Removed for Content] out a bit in test cause my /testcopy wont update my toon, it's current level and gear. So thank you!</p>

[Rocc]

<p>Oops /testcopy is working again. My bad.</p><p>The copy works but the add doesnt. How are we supposed to tet BG?</p>

[Liral]

<p>Bad move. I didn't mind the change at allwhen it had restrictions on it, but the changes proposed here are just foolish IMHO. Keep it as is or if you are determined to change it either keep the one character at a time limit and lower the amount of research time a little bit or let all your characters do it and increase the time it takes to research.</p>

[Carthington]

<p>can you look into the possibility of Queuing researches?</p><p>IE: start spell a, Queue up spell b then c then d etc..</p><p>order spells in the order you want them researched...</p>

[CraigH]

<p>Can we add a gear assistant that will automatically update my gear from legendary to fabled every 30 days?</p><p>Also, I'd like a tradeskill leveling assistant to gain tradeskill experience while I am unable to play.</p><p>I also suggest a platinum making assistant.  Since there is no market for selling masters, the platinum making assistant could generate a certain amount of money every 30 days.   This platinum could then be used to pay the guild hall improvement assistant, who level a guild by tier every 30 days.</p>

[Harlequin]

<p>I don't mind this.  I've just returned with my level 76 ranger on Antonia Bayle, and I'm having a hard time finding any groups to get things like the epics done and whatnot, so the research assistant is one way for me to gain a bit of power without having to depend on a group.  I think it's beneficial to new and returning players in general.</p>

[Valdaglerion]

<p><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>Research times are also being tweaked (lowered).  Those changes should be on Test in the near future.</p></blockquote><p>Is there any consideration to making the research assistants more interactive whereby allowing the players to invest more time or effort in assisting the assistants to speed up the process OR this is just going to remain a fixed time?</p>

[psisto]

<p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>oh you bet theyll jump to that occassion and get up in arms about it. I however love that change most definitely, and my mate as well <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>referring to larik: theres no chance in hell this will wreck the economy. Ill gladly buy masters any day for a sane price (as in, not 100 - 500p for a heal master) over waiting 40 days to get one of my spells bumped up a rank. Of course, there are those skills where there simply is NO master being sold. can hardly buy one thats not being offered, and since I dont run in a big guild, the only way of ever getting said master is to wait 30-40 days for the assistant.</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p><cite>psistorm wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>oh you bet theyll jump to that occassion and get up in arms about it. I however love that change most definitely, and my mate as well <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>referring to larik: theres no chance in hell this will wreck the economy. Ill gladly buy masters any day for a sane price <strong>(as in, not 100 - 500p for a heal master) over waiting 40 days to get one of my spells bumped up a rank</strong>. Of course, there are those skills where there simply is NO master being sold. can hardly buy one thats not being offered, and since I dont run in a big guild, the only way of ever getting said master is to wait 30-40 days for the assistant.</p></blockquote><p>You aren't a raider then?</p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>psistorm wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>oh you bet theyll jump to that occassion and get up in arms about it. I however love that change most definitely, and my mate as well <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>referring to larik: theres no chance in hell this will wreck the economy. Ill gladly buy masters any day for a sane price <strong>(as in, not 100 - 500p for a heal master) over waiting 40 days to get one of my spells bumped up a rank</strong>. Of course, there are those skills where there simply is NO master being sold. can hardly buy one thats not being offered, and since I dont run in a big guild, the only way of ever getting said master is to wait 30-40 days for the assistant.</p></blockquote><p>You aren't a raider then?</p></blockquote><p>hard to believe huh? Non raiders do exist.</p>

[NiamiDenMother]

<p><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>With the new Test server build, each character on an account can research a spell at the same time (this should not affect existing research).  Please let us know if you experience any research related issues after this update.  Thanks.</p></blockquote><p>So far, so good - three me's researching at the same time. I even changed what was being researched on Niami 3 times so far without it messing up the other two.  I'll check them all in a couple days and see if things are still behaving, but it looks good so far!</p>

[stayx]

<p><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>Research times are also being tweaked (lowered).  Those changes should be on Test in the near future.</p></blockquote><p>I cant see any tweak on the research time, it takes the same lame long time as before... let me pay plat for reducing my research time thats a solution <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Research time is definitly to long ...</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>stayx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Bunji wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>Research times are also being tweaked (lowered).  Those changes should be on Test in the near future.</p></blockquote><p>I cant see any tweak on the research time, it takes the same lame long time as before... let me pay plat for reducing my research time thats a solution <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Research time is definitly to long ...</p></blockquote><p>As it should be 10-11 masters a year for free on a max level toon is plenty (and now you can do that on EVERY alt you own). The expansion hasnt been out for 2 months and people expect to be fully mastered on thier main and thier alts. </p>

[psisto]

<p><cite>Jjay@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>psistorm wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure this is going to meet with resistance from the "the game is getting dumbed down to nothing, why don't you just make people 90 with everything maxed out" crowd.</p><p>Are there going to be additional changes to research assitants?</p><p>(I and several of my live server guild mates are looking forward to this change.)</p></blockquote><p>oh you bet theyll jump to that occassion and get up in arms about it. I however love that change most definitely, and my mate as well <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p>referring to larik: theres no chance in hell this will wreck the economy. Ill gladly buy masters any day for a sane price <strong>(as in, not 100 - 500p for a heal master) over waiting 40 days to get one of my spells bumped up a rank</strong>. Of course, there are those skills where there simply is NO master being sold. can hardly buy one thats not being offered, and since I dont run in a big guild, the only way of ever getting said master is to wait 30-40 days for the assistant.</p></blockquote><p>You aren't a raider then?</p></blockquote><p>hard to believe huh? Non raiders do exist.</p></blockquote><p>yeah, im very much a non-raider. and while my mate and I now plan to run instances every now and then. But for now, some masters either dont exist on the market, or cost well in excess of 100p, which is more than I currently own (around 70p). Sure I could farm mats and collectibles until I get /one/ of those books, and start all over to get more. But for non-raiders, the research assistant definitely is a huge perk. It wont endanger the market for master spells at all, in my eyes, the only thing itll do is possibly enforce slightly saner prices. As it stands now, one single master book is all you can buy in a looong stretch of time as non-raider.</p><p>edit:</p><p>Also, try and see another possible benefit: getting masters on lower levels is faster. And for many spells, you cant even get your hands on a journeyman. example? the dooming darkness line. There are TWO dooming darkness I journeyman on the broker, for 1p each. thats the entire selection of dooming darkness spells on crushbone. Especially lower level toons often just cant find spell upgrades, and the assistants alleviate the issue somewhat, leading to a bit more enjoyment in the underpopulated tiers. As a side effect, people may become strong enough to tackle some of the heroic content (as are my mate and I, duoing in clefts of rujark atm, having a blast). This leads to a possible influx of med-level loot, and vitalizes the market a little.</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p>I personally - do not care - one way or the other about research assistants. I farm enough as it is to try to get the masters I need, or the coin to buy them myself, etc.</p><p>However, what this is doing is making it so the "average" player, will have no desire to go out and do zones, or solo to try and get a master, they will just wait for theirs on the RA. What does that matter? They will no longer be looting masters they don't need, therefore drying up what is on the broker for other players to buy. Its a relationship that goes well beyond solo'er vs. raider and everything in between. As strange as it sounds, the community in whole works together so that everyone has the 'opportunity' to get masters on the broker.</p><p>Like I said, I'll get/buy masters on the broker pretty much regardless of price, thats just the way I choose to play the game. If others do not, then so be it. But taking away the 'need' to go out and group/solo/whatever for Masters is sort of a kick in the pants for everyone.</p>

[Finora]

<p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I personally - do not care - one way or the other about research assistants. I farm enough as it is to try to get the masters I need, or the coin to buy them myself, etc.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>However, what this is doing is making it so the "average" player, will have no desire to go out and do zones, or solo to try and get a master, they will just wait for theirs on the RA.</strong></span> What does that matter? They will no longer be looting masters they don't need, therefore drying up what is on the broker for other players to buy. Its a relationship that goes well beyond solo'er vs. raider and everything in between. As strange as it sounds, the community in whole works together so that everyone has the 'opportunity' to get masters on the broker.</p><p>Like I said, I'll get/buy masters on the broker pretty much regardless of price, thats just the way I choose to play the game. If others do not, then so be it. But taking away the 'need' to go out and group/solo/whatever for Masters is sort of a kick in the pants for everyone.</p></blockquote><p>So you somehow feel that people are going to stop actually doing the playing the game part simply because they can get masters on the research assistant?</p><p>I'm sorry but that is a pretty narrow view of things. I personally would certainly rather actually get a master I needed to drop in an instance so I could scribe it right away rather than waiting a month & change for the RA to give it to me. The vast majority of players who do use the RA are in the same boat.</p><p>Why anyone would pay 15 (or 30 as it is in my case) dollars a month to stand around and do nothing but wait for the RA to finish researching their spells is beyond me. Why anyone would think people would cease grouping and soloing simply because they can get masters from the RA is incomprehensible. Maybe some of the people who are in love with Battlegrounds would do nothing but that, but I doubt it. Having upgraded spells as soon as possible is even more important in PVP than in PVE.</p><p>I highly doubt my raiding friends will stop raiding & doing SF instances simply because they can research more things faster on more characters. I know my non-raiding friends aren't going to.</p>

[Brutalicus]

<p>I have been very little the past 6 months but I did set up a couple of researches on the assistant and when they were done I didnt get a spell?  How are you supposed to recieve your spell?</p>

[Bunji]

<p><cite>Brutalicus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have been very little the past 6 months but I did set up a couple of researches on the assistant and when they were done I didnt get a spell?  How are you supposed to recieve your spell?</p></blockquote><p>Once research is completed (you should receive an email), go back to any research assistant NPC and they should give you the option to pick it up (which will then scribe it into your knowledge book).</p>

[Gaige]

<p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So you somehow feel that people are going to stop actually doing the playing the game part simply because they can get masters on the research assistant?</p></blockquote><p>Look at how BGs have affected PUGs on most servers.</p>

[Hamervelder]

<p><cite>Gaige wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finora@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So you somehow feel that people are going to stop actually doing the playing the game part simply because they can get masters on the research assistant?</p></blockquote><p>Look at how BGs have affected PUGs on most servers.</p></blockquote><p>There are still plenty of people doing PUG's on AB.  I don't see a huge impact here at all, actually, other than technical problems.  We all know how you feel about the Research Assistant, Gaige.  It's time for you to realize that sometimes you're wrong though.  This is one of those times.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Purr]

<p>Several chars on the same accounts running research, so far no problem. I canceled and restarted on a few lower alts repeatedly, no problem there either.  *crosses claws*</p><p>Purr~</p>

[Thunderthyze]

<p><cite>Wazeau@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thrilled and looking forward to this going live!  Was always so <span style="font-size: small;"><strong>traumatic</strong></span> deciding between which of my alts gets to use the research assistant for the current cycle <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You're being sarcastic, right?</p>

[Delameko Stone]

<p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>However, what this is doing is making it so the "average" player, will have no desire to go out and do zones, or solo to try and get a master, they will just wait for theirs on the RA. </p></blockquote><p>I never went out trying to loot masters before the RA.  The chance of getting a master drop + the chance of it actual being for my class + the chance of it actually being the master I'm looking/can use, was just too big.  I'd rather just have fun, if a master drops, great, if it's one I need double-great!  Otherwise I'll still be selling masters I can't use on the broker and scribing the ones I can, it doesn't change how I play the game one bit.</p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wazeau@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thrilled and looking forward to this going live!  Was always so <span style="font-size: small;"><strong>traumatic</strong></span> deciding between which of my alts gets to use the research assistant for the current cycle <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You're being sarcastic, right?</p></blockquote><p>If he was I'm not. It was always a pain in it to decide who got what master.  This is finally correcting what amounted to a penalty to those who played multiple characters in a game that has done everything to encourage and support it.</p>

[Brutalicus]

<p>I got alot of characters on my account and this will really help out alot.  It will take a year and a half to get near mastered out but thats about what I think it should take.  My raid toon will be mastered out at great expense long before that tho lol.</p>

[Rocc]

<p>I agree. I have 2 accounts and their both maxed out on toons. My lowest being in the 60s (that I actually play). Some masters are not ever on broker and when they are, their 200-500 plat and that is just ridiculous. This is ONE every 30 days! Thats fair amount of time. I like the idea of all my 80+ alts getting their masters but with that huge boost I dont believe we need to speed up the research time. Gives sages, jewelers and alchies a chance to make some money if the timer remains the same. Just the added multi alt research is a HUGE break for many of us two boxers all by itself! I'm no longer in a raid guild and dont have tons of plat like some people. And if I did I would rather focus it on red adornment gear for my toons.</p>

[Nark]

<p>I don't think the research times will be decreased for higher level spells.  It should just be quicker in the lower levels according to this <a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Dev_Chat_March_18_2010#Questions_and_Answers" target="_blank">Dev Chat</a>.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em><span style="font-size: x-small;">     Is there a chance the Research Assistant's will lose the one character at a time restriction? The current implementation runs counter to the trend of making the game more and more accesible to alts and it looks like the world ended as much as it could with the initial introduction of RA's. As now, the restiction unfairly impacts people who have multiple characters on a server and would be best changed to keep with the idea of alt support. </span></em></p><ul><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Rothgar:</strong> Yes.</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Brenlo:</strong> There is always a chance</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Frizznik:</strong> You fought with me to answer that one, and your answer is "Yes." ?</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Olihin:</strong> Si</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Rothgar:</strong> Originally this was meant as an account-based reward for keeping your account subscribed. The idea was that everyone should receive the same benefit, like a once-per-account vet reward.</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Kiara:</strong> pft. I was gonna say no. You're no fun, Rothgar.</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Rothgar:</strong> But at this point we can certainly see that using it on multiple characters would just be more fun and wouldn't really break anything, so those changes are underway as we speak.</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Rothgar:</strong> lol @ Frizznik</span></em></li><li><em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>Frizznik:</strong> I would add that also, right at this second in fact, <span style="color: #ff0000;">I</span><span style="color: #ff0000;"> am evaluating the time spent to research at <span style="font-size: small;">lower</span> levels and decreasing it</span>.</span></em></li></ul>