Cleric WISDOM line is entirely undesirable.

[mafoe]

The former wisdom line in the cleric AA tree is undesirable. 3 out of 5 abilities in that line only work against undead, and there are no undead enemies in Sentinel's Fate. Some suggestions on how to make that line appeal to us: - remove the undead requirement from the entire line - tone down the damage on the proc and aoe - make the proc and the aoe do double damage against undead - tone down the group immunity to 6 seconds or so

[Laiina]

<p>I guess all those undead I killed yesterday in SF were just a figment of my imagination.</p>

[ashen1973]

There are a lot of undead in Sf, but, that being said, the WIS line is still not very appealing

[mafoe]

Oh hey, I forgot the skeletons in the Sundered Frontier SOLO content. Jesus. Solo content? Really? None of the raid zones has a consistent undead population. None of the group zones either.

[Arturoz]

<p>LOL solo content?  hehe i guess we do need the wis line for that content..   /shudder.....</p>

[Paddyo]

<p>1. Unless they give us a bunch more AA to spend, you don't need to worry about one of the trees you wouldn't spec into.</p><p>2. Have you been to Befallen?  Or Tomb of the Mad Crusader?  You should see my parse on undead in Halls of the Forsaken with 10 points in Turn Undead. Its redonkulous.</p><p>3.  This is what AA mirrors are for.  I have a great healing spec and a great melee spec.  I run the heal spec when I'm healing, and I use the other when I am soloing or in a group with 2 healers. (My guild tends to have an abundance of healers, and so I end up melee alot of the time)</p><p>This line works very well for what it was designed to do: making the cleric a force against undead.  Its a part of our heritage.</p>

[mafoe]

Uhm, in case you havent noticed, Befallen and Tomb of the Mad Crusader are content of the last expansion. And to answer your point 1: so it's ok to have a useless tree that nobody wants because we dont have AA for all trees anyway? If you have the WIS line in your AA mirror, I dont know what to say. Youre great at wasting your points, maybe. This line doesnt work well at all because it requires specific content, and SOE cant be bothered to add undead to each expansion just so our silly tree is a bit less useless.

[mafoe]

WIS line still useless.

[Ilyssa]

<p><cite>mafoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>WIS line still useless.</blockquote><p>I tend to agree with Mafoe, there really has been an issue with WIS for a long while even before SF.  I roll more of a defensive stance and there is really no need for me to go into the WIS line for that reason.  I wish SoE would make that line a little more useful then just for the DPS modification for the Undead.   I say add a resistance/Mit factor or increased amount healed for revive spells other then the AA lines spec'd in the Shadow line (Great feature and might be appealing to many for raids).  If they wish to keep the undead function then add that to the 'if undead' then this will do this ability and amount of damage and have a basic ability that will be usable for anything other then undead (Just like undead gear you pickup that has specific damage rating on the type of creature). </p><p>To me SoE has had a hard time introducing more undead content and it seems to be a little more mixed so running back and forth to get your AA mirror setup I think would be a waste (Solo: You would have had your mob dead by the time you switched to your undead spec for SF very little solo parts that may have contained undead.).  If SoE has had a whole realm/land dedicated to the Undead then I might see this as a valuable AA line.</p><p>Even in raid if you do one zone you usually jump to other zones that might not contain an undead type so switching back and forth using the mirror gets a little tedious at times.  Also in raid having more of a defensive stance for you and your group I think is a little more ideal to me then trying to out parse any other stereo type class on trash mobs.  I rather spend points on something that has a purpose and is helpful then waste the AA points.</p><p>Since day 1 of rolling a templar I did not really see much of a need to spend points into something so specific.</p><p>Mafoe suggestions are good as well.  Whatever SoE does to the line if they so desire, should be more of an improvment then what it is now.</p>

[RingleToo]

<p>This is certainly an issue that's come up before. The WIS line is strictly a "specialty" line for use in specific situations. The problem is that there aren't really any situations that make it worthwhile to go down the WIS line - even with a mirror.   </p><p>There are a couple of single group dungeons that I've always thought it would be fun to be spec'd for killing undead, but I'm not going to use up my mirror just for the off chance I'll get to do those dungeons. I prefer to use the mirror to have one respec for groups and another for soloing. And there certainly isn't enough un-dead solo content I'd use the mirror for. Now, if we could have two respecs on the mirror, I'd play around with the WIS line. It would be fun to kick un-dead butt <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[DarumaRanger]

<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">NEVER MIND !!</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I'm thinking of the INT line... told you I was noobing all over you... sorry about that folks.</span></strong></p><p>Hmmm... please excuse me while I noob all over you folks... but IIRC isn't the WIS line the one with the AA that decreases your casting time by up to 14%, (with 10 AA spent)?</p><p>I thought I'd been reading around here... as a lowbie Templar ravenous for advice... that is highly recommended due to our long casting times.</p><p>I duo primarily with a Berserker buddy of mine and thought WIS was the way to go for getting off faster heals.  Is the 14% at 10 points, (I have 5 points in that AA now), just not noticable enough to be worthwhile?</p><p>I'm sorry if this derails the OP's thread, that's not my intent, but could someone here maybe offer some alternate advice... or confirm that for me this IS the right way to go?</p><p>Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not derail the OP's thread, please.</p><p>Thank you.</p>

[Dekedar]

<p>Perah Celsis is undead, and there are more out there. Some things are dumb like a skeleton dog (Vig x2) that isn't undead, apparently. But 1 point in turn undead and it frequently hits for over 20k. I'm curious how much it would do maxed, but probably not gonna do that anytime soon.</p><p>Not saying this saves the entire line by any means....</p>

[mafoe]

only 20k? divine strike hits around 15kish on non undead afair

[EQPrime]

<p><cite>mafoe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>only 20k? divine strike hits around 15kish on non undead afair</blockquote><p>and it hits twice on undead!</p><p>Wis line is horrible.  I didn't complain much before because there are a lot of useless lines out there for other classes, but heck they at least made the rogue wis line almost usable.  They could take a look at the cleric wis line.</p>