Training dummy

[Dorsan]

<p>Hello,</p><p>  I really like to test things out, but the training dummies are completely useless when they die in 8 seconds. Would be nice if there would be several versions with more or less health and also en encounter dummy where you have say 6 of them linked...</p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Dorsan, necromancer of Nagafen.</p>

[Adegx]

<p>The lvl 80 dummies had ~200k hps. Havent played with the lvl 90's Did they not scale thier health?</p>

[Banditman]

<p>It "scaled" all right . . . added like 25k health.</p><p>We really need to be able to spawn one with however many HP we want.</p><p>I wouldn't even mind a dummy with 10 million HP as an option honestly.</p>

[Garavic]

<p>If we're starting a dummy change wish list can we also get them to spawn with different names like dummy1; dummy2 or whatever?  Would help with a couple things like parsing aoes and such.</p><p>I totally understand that is probably going to be way low as far as priorities, but it would be sweet if it at least made the list. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rothgar]

<p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p>

[Eveningsong]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.</p></blockquote><p>That's just awesome, rofl.  Thanks for the update <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>Nice I am presuming these will also have no avoidance skills attached and just increased hitpoints like the solo dummy. So that in theory peopel can properly test melee hit rates vs lvl on high con epic npcs.</p>

[Garavic]

<p>Raid difficulty training dummies!  That is going to be spectacular. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Can you do that to the arena pets? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and make them agro....and allow me to assign targets....  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>Rothgar you are so awesome, you should get the Nobel prize for win.  </p>

[DngrMou]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>I'm looking forward to epic dummy loot!  (It'd be fun/funny if after the epic dummy was defeated, a (labeled as such) "dummy" Xchest was dropped.</p>

[Gortha]

<p><cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>Rothgar you are so awesome, you should get the Nobel prize for win.  </p></blockquote><p>+1 if we could clone Rothgar - this game would rock, sadly he can only do so much...</p>

[Nevao]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Oh I can just see it now. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900;"><strong>Raid Leader:</strong></span> [Removed for Content] it kids, don't make me turn this raid around. We're going to spend the rest of the night raiding training dummies if you don't stop acting like a bunch of hooligans.</p>

[Banditman]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>I really couldn't resist it . . . if Rothgar were bubble gum, he'd be Devilicious.</p>

[Dethdlr]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u190/KamotTom/awesome.jpg" width="350" height="350" /></p>

[thajo]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>Make sure they don't resist like crazy is all.  I remember the creature summoner being changed one day and my hit-rates on it were like worse than an undebuffed raid mob.</p>

[Vraeth]

<p>so this will be all the raid content for gu56 then? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Jonaroth]

<p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p>

[Rothgar]

<p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>Haha, that's an awesome idea.</p><p>And to answer a couple of questions, the new dummies are exactly like the old ones, so they shouldn't have any high resists or buff packages on them, just plain-ol-dummies.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>Haha, that's an awesome idea.</p><p>And to answer a couple of questions, the new dummies are exactly like the old ones, so they shouldn't have any high resists or buff packages on them, just plain-ol-dummies.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>If you're actually going to do all that, is it possible then to just merge it with the creature conjuror?</p>

[thajo]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>Haha, that's an awesome idea.</p><p>And to answer a couple of questions, the new dummies are exactly like the old ones, so they shouldn't have any high resists or buff packages on them, just plain-ol-dummies.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>That sounds pretty cool.  Latly on my wizard all I been doing for testing purposes is laying down 8 dummies per kill, even that only lasts 48 - 58 seconds or so now a days.  I liked the mention of linking dummies, that would be impressive cause theres no easy solo way to test our green stuff and encounter related procs.  Can already think of a handful of cool off-raid ideas I'd like to do with this, sounds nifty.</p>

[Korrupt]

<p>yes, please add linked dummies</p>

[circusgirl]

<p>I love the idea of having them attack you for 1 damage per swing.</p>

[Jusztin]

<p>If you really want to add some fun to this, add a loot table to training dummy, droping an apperance armor set, looks like the dummy. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I want to wear dummy outfit on BG. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Dorsan]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>[Removed for Content], PvP changes. Better dummies... Man GU56 looks like the best GU ever. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Dechau]

<p><cite>Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've already made a change to the dummy chest, it just hasn't been released yet.  You'll get it with GU56.</p><p>You have the option to spawn a solo, heroic and epic dummy.  Each will scale slightly larger in size and their hitpoints will be on par with mobs of that tier and level.</p><p>So now you can raid a training dummy if you like.  These changes should be on the Test server if you want to check them out.</p></blockquote><p>[Removed for Content], PvP changes. Better dummies... Man GU56 looks like the best GU ever. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>QFE..</p><p>Can't wait either <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Baccalarium]

<p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>In the asking way too much catagory but I will anyway... as a healer I'd really like a training dummy to hit back for something like</p><p>MAX(targetCurrentHp,targetTotalHP*.25) -targetTotalHP*.25 </p><p>So the dummy would essentially beat you down to 25% of your total health and hold you there.    That ought to be plenty of health for those with things that eat their health to still survive solo,  but gives healers an incoming damage to test heal against.       Yes it triggers those affects that need something hitting back too.   </p>

[Dechau]

<p><cite>Baccalarium wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>In the asking way too much catagory but I will anyway... as a healer I'd really like a training dummy to hit back for something like</p><p>MAX(targetCurrentHp,targetTotalHP*.25) -targetTotalHP*.25 </p><p>So the dummy would essentially beat you down to 25% of your total health and hold you there.    That ought to be plenty of health for those with things that eat their health to still survive solo,  but gives healers an incoming damage to test heal against.       Yes it triggers those affects that need something hitting back too.   </p></blockquote><p>Really nice idea tbh..</p><p>To be able to see how much healing you can put out on a target that never goes higher than 75 % health <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Would have to do someting with wards also ofc, but it sure would be awesome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[thajo]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Jonaroth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lol nice update...</p><p>you should get an achievment if you solo kill the raid dummy</p><p>maybe asking too much but it would be cool if training dummy cast spells and did melee (but just 0 or 1 points of damage), that way you could test reactives and stuff.. a lot of classes' spells dont work on training dummy because it just sits there</p></blockquote><p>Haha, that's an awesome idea.</p><p>And to answer a couple of questions, the new dummies are exactly like the old ones, so they shouldn't have any high resists or buff packages on them, just plain-ol-dummies.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Wanted to start a new thread but I remember you addressing specifically what I am about to say.  If these new dummys are like the old ones, then the old ones resisted way to much too.  These things resist more than say, your average even con solo mobs.  I'm looking at parses where my Ice Comet is at 66% hit rate, fusions getting 33 - 66% if I cast it on a group, all aoe's in general are hitting 95 - 96%.  I see generally more resists on these than normal raid mobs.  The group of 8 is pretty sweet for testing gear and stuff but it seems uneceesary to flat out resist an ice comet, or hear a series of dings everytime I cast an AoE because I can rarely cast a green and actually land it on all 8 dummies when im just trying to test gear and effects.  Also I am getting alot of these results even with my Furnace of Ro down...debuffing everything by ~1700 ><</p><p>Is it impossible to remove all factors of resists without any concept of the dummies mitigating our dmg to a reasonable point?  I am not expert on the mechanics but these things seem to actually resist like Im fighting heroics as well.  Prolly last thing on your guys radar but clearly dummies were on it enough to create what you have <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>