Vigilant: Infiltration, this needs looked at [Archive]

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Malacha

04-10-2010, 04:03 PM

Now, I'm not really proud of this, but my group wiped to the 2 groups of adds that surprise-popped on us in the first room. We weren't expecting them and ended up agroing both groups, which quickly dispatched the healer and then the rest of the group shortly after. Now, that was bad enough, what happened next was worse.The mobs happen to spawn on the revive AND zone in point. We died repeatedly, each person died at least 3 times, trying desperately to break back into the zone and get back on our feet. Some died so much their gear broke. We eventually just decided to zone out and wait out the rest of the 30 minute timer and start over, because we clearly were not going to be able to zone in and get started, because the healer was first one in every time and would die before anyone else even zoned.Please reconsider the placement of these mobs, which spawn after the trash in the first room is cleared. They should NOT spawn on the revive/zone in point, because that leaves us absolutely no way to recover.

Ambrin

04-10-2010, 05:26 PM

I am pretty sure the mob spawn far enough away to not agro you if you just spawn at the rez point and stand still. What was probably happening was people were reviving before everyone in the group died, meaning the mobs never broke combat on your group and would continuously attack you as you spawned.The solution is to tell everyone to stay dead until the mobs have fully reset, at which point the entire group revives at once. Do not move at all until your group is buffed and ready for another pull.

Malacha

04-10-2010, 08:07 PM

<cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am pretty sure the mob spawn far enough away to not agro you if you just spawn at the rez point and stand still. What was probably happening was people were reviving before everyone in the group died, meaning the mobs never broke combat on your group and would continuously attack you as you spawned.The solution is to tell everyone to stay dead until the mobs have fully reset, at which point the entire group revives at once. Do not move at all until your group is buffed and ready for another pull.</blockquote>Nope, because we all zoned out, and zoned back in and got agro right away.

Ambrin

04-11-2010, 01:14 PM

I have never had an issue where I would agro mobs upon zoning in while doing any of the Vigilant zones. In the second one, if you move at all after zoning in you will probably start the ring event, but if you zone in and stay perfectly still you shouldn't (or if you move to the back wall directly behind you).

Malacha

04-11-2010, 02:13 PM

<cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have never had an issue where I would agro mobs upon zoning in while doing any of the Vigilant zones. In the second one, if you move at all after zoning in you will probably start the ring event, but if you zone in and stay perfectly still you shouldn't (or if you move to the back wall directly behind you).</blockquote>Ok, I'll explain again. This was AFTER we had cleared the first 2 groups of mobs, which causes 2 more groups of mobs to spawn. I was unaware that they spawn, and as I was heading for the exit to zone in the last member, I was smack-dab in the middle of them when they did spawn, which caused a chain reaction that made us wipe. Attempting to revive only put you back right in the middle of 2 groups of mobs in agro range, who would just slaughter you and settle back. We were able to revive, and run for the zone out and get out, eventually, but after rebuffing, and prepping ourselves, we all zoned in together, and wiped again. Then several tries later, we managed to get zoned out and just waited out the rest of the 30 minute timer we had and let the zone reset.

Jacobian21

04-11-2010, 03:27 PM

<cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have never had an issue where I would agro mobs upon zoning in while doing any of the Vigilant zones. In the second one, if you move at all after zoning in you will probably start the ring event, but if you zone in and stay perfectly still you shouldn't (or if you move to the back wall directly behind you).</blockquote>The ring event is in the third vigilant I believe, not the second one. The second one is the one with all the gazer groups of mobs in the first area.

Feldorm

04-12-2010, 07:47 AM

The OP is talking about the 2nd zone. You kill 2 groups of eyes and 2 more spawn. If you wipe then then you cannot revive without aggroing the adds. Annoying cause first time there we pulled the 2nd group back so the 3rd and 4th aggroed us and we wiped - then it took a few more deaths for everyone to actually make it to the zone out. Is fine once you know it happens but it does seem like a needless frustration if it's your first time there and you happen to wipe.

Ambrin

04-12-2010, 10:35 AM

Ah, that makes more sense. I never can never seem to remember which zone is which.I guess it is kind of silly that these mobs spawn on the entrance to the zone, I never really noticed though, usually just chain pull the entire floor and kill it that way. I can see how it might be challenging if you are under geared though.

Malacha

04-12-2010, 03:49 PM

<cite>Ambrin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ah, that makes more sense. I never can never seem to remember which zone is which.I guess it is kind of silly that these mobs spawn on the entrance to the zone, I never really noticed though, usually just chain pull the entire floor and kill it that way. I can see how it might be challenging if you are under geared though.</blockquote>It was just that it was my first time in the zone, and no one told me that adds would spawn after the set we were killing were dead. We had one person who was still outside the zone, so I was going to run to zone out and zone them in, but instead, the adds spawned on me as I ran, and that caused a chain reaction (with the tank running to rescue me, and everyone else dropping nukes and stuff) so that we wiped. It was then impossible to recover without zoning out and waiting out our 30 minute timer.

Pyra Shineflame

04-12-2010, 05:18 PM

Given that the Vigilants are the hardest series of zones, it is likely that you just simply AREN'T supposed to fail, especially not like that. Is there a reason why, your first time in a zone, you didn't wait for everyone to get there? If you do fail, yes I imagine that would be frustrating, and I fully support moving the adds just a bit so that you don't get aggro on revive. If only for the reason that getting aggro on revive just sounds silly and pointless.

Malacha

04-12-2010, 05:23 PM

<cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Given that the Vigilants are the hardest series of zones, it is likely that you just simply AREN'T supposed to fail, especially not like that. Is there a reason why, your first time in a zone, you didn't wait for everyone to get there? If you do fail, yes I imagine that would be frustrating, and I fully support moving the adds just a bit so that you don't get aggro on revive. If only for the reason that getting aggro on revive just sounds silly and pointless.</blockquote>Of course you aren't supposed to fail. But stuff happens.

Kander

04-12-2010, 10:35 PM

I can move the mobs a bit to the side and the respawn a bit forward, I will take a look at it.

Malacha

04-12-2010, 11:09 PM

Thank you Kander, much appreciated.

Malacha

08-22-2010, 03:46 PM

This has not been fixed. Today three people crashed just as we pulled the second set of mobs, one of them the healer. We wiped. We revive. We die again..... SIGH! Can you please move these WAY away from the zone in?

Malacha

08-22-2010, 03:57 PM

Oh yeah, and the crashing to desktop on pulls.... awesome touch to an already annoying zone.SOEBuild=6769LSOEVersionString=2010/8/18 18:26:51EVERQUEST2 CRASH LOG================================================== ================================================Unhandled exception Unknown exception: 0xC000001E at 0x5372656BGame Data: SOEBuild: SOEBuild=6769L SOEVersionString: SOEVersionString=2010/8/18 18:26:51 OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 VER_NT_WORKSTATION CPU: 2 x86 GenuineIntel 3000MHz RDTSC MSR CMPXCHG8 SSE SSE2 DirectX Version: 9.0c Video Card/Driver: [NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+] [nv4_disp.dll] 6.14.11.9745 {d7b71e3e-4552-11cf-7f55-7c2503c2cb35} Time at crash: Sun Aug 22 11:54:51 2010 Login Server: none Performance: 7 Game Uptime: 7183 seconds Position last frame: 28.33, 86.49, -17.12 Zone name: exp06_dun_sentinal Time in Zone: 1029 seconds Previous Zone name: GameScene::ZR_NETWORKED_ZONE_CHANGE Multi-core support: enabled Low-Memory Mode: disabled Resolution: 1920x1200 (60 hz) windowed UI: UI/ProfitUILog: Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Received chat channel update msg... Not VF_AUTOThread Data: Primary Thread Id: 2828 Current Thread Id: 2828 Current Thread Priority: 0Memory: AddressLimitMB: 2048 Load: 79% Total physical: 3219369984 Free physical: 652726272 Total pagefile: 4294967295 Free pagefile: 3804258304 Total virtual: 2147352576 Free virtual: 515162112Memory Manager: Allocations: 323059 Bytes Allocated: 617424320 Max Allocations: 397517 Max Bytes Allocated: 959888256 System Memory Allocated (MB): 920 Limit: 2048 Number of Allocate Calls: 10751965 Number of Free Calls: 10428906Registers: EAX 0x00040032 EBX 0x57363340 ECX 0x00F1D894 EDX 0x00000000 ESI 0x2DA45760 EDI 0x1606C480 GS 0x00000000 FS 0x0000003B ES 0x00000023 DS 0x00000023 EBP 0x1606C480 ESP 0x0012DF58 EIP 0x5372656B FLAGS 0x00010206 CS 0x0000001B SS 0x00000023FPU Registers: CW 0xFFFF027F SW 0xFFFF0032 TW 0xFFFFFFFFFPU Rounding Mode: NearestCall Stack: 0x5372656B in ???????? 0x0098514B in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exeEnd of Call Stack<div></div>

Malacha

08-22-2010, 03:58 PM

Stack Scan: 0x0012DF58: 0x0098514B, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DF5C: 0x00000000 0x0012DF60: 0x2DA45700 0x0012DF64: 0x00000000 0x0012DF68: 0x1606C480 0x0012DF6C: 0x00000010 0x0012DF70: 0x3865E6A8 0x0012DF74: 0x22772260 0x0012DF78: 0x2BD7F620 0x0012DF7C: 0x00000000 0x0012DF80: 0x41AF4458 0x0012DF84: 0x008FE4A4, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DF88: 0x008FE4A4, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DF8C: 0x2B80EEE0 0x0012DF90: 0x0095ED7F, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DF94: 0x3E73B647 0x0012DF98: 0x00000003 0x0012DF9C: 0x00000002 0x0012DFA0: 0x3E73B647 0x0012DFA4: 0x00985D00, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DFA8: 0x45579470 0x0012DFAC: 0x00985F82, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012DFB0: 0x129AAA10 0x0012DFB4: 0x129AAA00 0x0012DFB8: 0x00000000 0x0012DFBC: 0x139D9EF0 0x0012DFC0: 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0x00A7C60E, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E0B0: 0x00000000 0x0012E0B4: 0x00000000 0x0012E0B8: 0x3F7F4525 0x0012E0BC: 0x3E50D1A2 0x0012E0C0: 0x167394A8 0x0012E0C4: 0x0012E0EC 0x0012E0C8: 0x00A8D9B9, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E0CC: 0x00000000 0x0012E0D0: 0x000000C3 0x0012E0D4: 0x3E946129 0x0012E0D8: 0x3E50D1A2 0x0012E0DC: 0x167394A8 0x0012E0E0: 0x406B5120 0x0012E0E4: 0x1781B668 0x0012E0E8: 0x00000000 0x0012E0EC: 0x0012E108 0x0012E0F0: 0x00A8DA6A, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E0F4: 0x3E940000 0x0012E0F8: 0x167393D0 0x0012E0FC: 0x00CDE40B, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E100: 0x00000000 0x0012E104: 0x008FE4A4, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E108: 0x437163D0 0x0012E10C: 0x00CD368F, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E110: 0x00965C55, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest 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(0x00400000) 0x0012E208: 0x2B1AC4F0 0x0012E20C: 0x00985F82, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E210: 0x2B641F70 0x0012E214: 0x2B641F00 0x0012E218: 0x406B5120 0x0012E21C: 0x167393D0 0x0012E220: 0x00C1702E, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E224: 0x00000001 0x0012E228: 0x3CC49BA6 0x0012E22C: 0x3DC2B950 0x0012E230: 0x00A94549, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E234: 0x0000001C 0x0012E238: 0x0000001C 0x0012E23C: 0x008FD68C, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E240: 0x00B8CF87, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E244: 0x0126C778, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E248: 0x00B8A067, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E24C: 0x0000001C 0x0012E250: 0x0012E2B0 0x0012E254: 0x0000000F 0x0012E258: 0x0000000E 0x0012E25C: 0x092A4EFE 0x0012E260: 0x149C9B54 0x0012E264: 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Malacha

08-22-2010, 03:58 PM

0x0012E2A8: 0x00B8CF87, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2AC: 0x0126C778, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2B0: 0x00B896C1, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2B4: 0x149C9B54 0x0012E2B8: 0x012046A1, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2BC: 0x0012E2E4 0x0012E2C0: 0x00B88CA0, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2C4: 0x554ABA30 0x0012E2C8: 0x00000001 0x0012E2CC: 0x008FD71C, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2D0: 0x009720FC, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2D4: 0x00000009 0x0012E2D8: 0x00000008 0x0012E2DC: 0x455A7C88 0x0012E2E0: 0x57011470 0x0012E2E4: 0xBCFAF356 0x0012E2E8: 0x42AC870C 0x0012E2EC: 0xC0F66666 0x0012E2F0: 0x008FF919, in C:Program FilesSonyEverQuest IIEverQuest2.exe (0x00400000) 0x0012E2F4: 0x3F800000 0x0012E2F8: 0xBCFAF356 0x0012E2FC: 0x42AC870C 0x0012E300: 0xC0F66666 0x0012E304: 0x3FCF450F 0x0012E308: 0x00000000 0x0012E30C: 0x00000000 0x0012E310: 0x00000000 0x0012E314: 0x00000000 0x0012E318: 0x3FCF450F 0x0012E31C: 0x00000000 0x0012E320: 0x00000000 0x0012E324: 0x00000000 0x0012E328: 0x00000000 0x0012E32C: 0x3FCF450F 0x0012E330: 0x00000000 0x0012E334: 0xBCFAF356 0x0012E338: 0x42AC870C 0x0012E33C: 0xC0F66666 0x0012E340: 0x3F800000 0x0012E344: 0x3F800000 0x0012E348: 0x00000000 0x0012E34C: 0x00000000 0x0012E350: 0x00000000 0x0012E354: 0x00000000End of Stack ScanEND OF LOG<div></div>

Nebbeny

08-23-2010, 10:35 PM

Had a similar issue when i first went there, no one in the group had been before, and wasn't a rock solid tank, pulled the group of gazers back to the zone in point and killed them, then got jumped. Not a particularly intuitive encounter, and it punishes you for good pulling techniques (pulling back to somewhere "safe" rather than fighting at them). We died, revived, and died. Managed to get out of it thanks to rebirth and the tank reviving after i did but not engaging, so two of us were alive, i rooted the closest encounter of mobs and rezzed the group. Not something a Non-warden could do, though i imagine they would have their own tricks it still sucks as far as zone design goes. I think i would compare this to the named in OoA that would continue AE'ing the zone if you wiped to him, if you die it's pretty hard to recover from, you guys fixed that though so would be nice if you fixed this for people that do the zone for the first time.