Need help with picking a fighter class

[Caitlynd]

<p>I am needing some help to decide what fighter class I want to play, and I know that it comes down to a personal preference, but believe it or not answers to specific questions can go along way in helping to decide.</p><p>I like the more *hybrid* type classes always have and always will though it does seem EQ2 does not really like Hybrid classes in this game (least from what i have seen) In the game that shall not be named I played a Paly I could DPS (with the best) and Tank with the best depending on what I was in the mood for.</p><p>Yet in this game it seems that tanks classes are simply that tanks and dps is just something they do to level and not something they do in a group.</p><p>While i dont mind tanking it does get old and sometimes you just want to well DPS, with my Paly i could and yet in this game it seems I can't. Is this the consensus or am I missing something?</p><p>Ok so if there are no tank classes that can DPS in group settings then what am I to choose? I hate healing never liked it and it seems there are no healer classes that can DPS and only do light back-up healing in this game.</p><p>Rogues are ok but I really am not a positional player, I hate playing the position game just to get a flurry of attacks off, so that kind of kicks these classes out of the picture.</p><p>Mages never played around with in any game, to me they have high dps output but crappy survivability and seems every other class has a better ratio to dps/survivability then mages do. I also don't like the keep the mob stunned and keep nuking and wait for abilities to pop up gamestyle (like enchanters seem to be).</p><p>So am I screwed and not going to find a single class I can enjoy? Or did i miss something while I was reading these forums?</p><p>Cause my necro bores me to tears and everyone says Conji's have teh same playstyle so was looking at my favorite class a hybrid tank/dps.</p><p>Thanks</p>

[Yimway]

<p>Your not going to find a dps tank, as those are clearly segmented roles.</p><p>About the only thing I can point to is a melee healer, particularly one that wears plate.  You might find the combination of survivability and dps your looking for, but your not going to be tanking for groups (maybe for duo or trios though).</p>

[Minoko]

<p>As far as solo play goes you could play a tank class and have a lot of fun if that is the type of class you want to play. At end game though you will be expected to tank. If you want in a group you will need to take the role of tank as it is rare that a group goes with more than one fighter.</p>

[gatrm]

<p>I have seen brawlers- monks/bruisers join as dps, and they can be speced as dps or tank.  They are the only "Tank" classes that are accepted by the community in a dps role for a group and depending on the group, they may prefer a scout to dps over a brawler, so you may have a difficult time signing onto a group as dps with the brawler, I don't know.  A raid *might* conceivably pickup a shadowknight for dps/buffs, but in a raid, the SK will more likely be in an off-tank role.</p><p>Melee healers and furies can do decent dps, if the player knows how to dps with them, but the community as a whole will never accept a healer into a group in a dps role, even if that healer can outdps most pickup dps.  It is what it is. </p><p>Rogues do have positional attacks, but when they are tanking, they can only use their frontals/non positionals- you lose some dps, but you can still tank in a pinch. </p><p>For that matter dirges can tank in a pinch also, and have fewer positional attacks.</p>

[Liral]

<p><cite>Ashantie@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am needing some help to decide what fighter class I want to play, and I know that it comes down to a personal preference, but believe it or not answers to specific questions can go along way in helping to decide.</p><p>I like the more *hybrid* type classes always have and always will though it does seem EQ2 does not really like Hybrid classes in this game (least from what i have seen) In the game that shall not be named I played a Paly I could DPS (with the best) and Tank with the best depending on what I was in the mood for.</p><p>Yet in this game it seems that tanks classes are simply that tanks and dps is just something they do to level and not something they do in a group.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Well... how much that matters is very dependant on what style of play you have? If you really like to raid. DPSing with one of the 6 Fighter types almost certainly won't happen unless it's a casual raid. Your milage may vary but in general Raid groups stick very closely to a set of defined roles. If you are a casual group player many people just get whoever they can get and go. </span><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Most of my comments below are in regard to casual grouping.</span></p><p>While i dont mind tanking it does get old and sometimes you just want to well DPS, with my Paly i could and yet in this game it seems I can't. Is this the consensus or am I missing something?</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Paladins are most certainly NOT in the DPS category at all. A few of the classes (monk, bruiser, sk) are often brought into a group with a more traditional tank like a Pally, Guardian, Zerker being the main tank while the other classes pound away at the mob and helpwith the DPS. </span></p><p>Ok so if there are no tank classes that can DPS in group settings then what am I to choose? I hate healing never liked it and it seems there are no healer classes that can DPS and only do light back-up healing in this game.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Actually Furies can DPS VERY well. If you're the sole healer you'll have to heal but if there are other healers in your group you can have them be the main healer and then you can spot heal and DPS all you want. Just be sure that everyone  know their role and you do do the spot healing if needed othwerwise peopkle are gonna be ticked. Furies get a bit of a bum rap by some furies not doing a good enough job healing. Just know what is expected and all will be fine. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Melee healers can do a fair bit of DPS but most of them will still be a main healer most of the time. Very fun to play though with decent DPS and high survivability.</span></p><p>Rogues are ok but I really am not a positional player, I hate playing the position game just to get a flurry of attacks off, so that kind of kicks these classes out of the picture.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Can't really comment on these as I don't play em all that much but some are extreme posityional classes while others aren't. Would suggest asking in the general scout folder for a more detailed breakdown.</span></p><p>Mages never played around with in any game, to me they have high dps output but crappy survivability and seems every other class has a better ratio to dps/survivability then mages do. I also don't like the keep the mob stunned and keep nuking and wait for abilities to pop up gamestyle (like enchanters seem to be).</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Mages are my favorite class and if played well have just as good a survival rate as any other class. You'd be surprised at how well a properly spelled (expert and masters) Wizard can survive. Making sure you're root is as high as you can get and that you spec for as fast a refresh rate for your spells as possible means you can mow em down quickly. You'll die a bit more often than soem clases but it's a lot of fun.</span></p><p>So am I screwed and not going to find a single class I can enjoy? Or did i miss something while I was reading these forums?</p><p>Cause my necro bores me to tears and everyone says Conji's have teh same playstyle so was looking at my favorite class a hybrid tank/dps.</p><p>Thanks</p></blockquote>

[Kota]

<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=475894" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=475894</a> not gonna find a dps tank ?</p><p>btw rotate is a pretty awesome monk, and that's where he fell in line with dps.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Tenka@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=475894" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=475894</a> not gonna find a dps tank ?</p><p>btw rotate is a pretty awesome monk, and that's where he fell in line with dps.</p></blockquote><p>He can't be that awesome if he can't even break 30k</p>

[Rotate]

<p>i dont hit 30k.. cuz i dont use wis line.. althought it makes encounter fights look nice.. it doesnt help me kill peeps in pvp.  or live tanking on raids..  helps with hate.. but dont really need it..  and it really doesnt help my single target dps.. and  naggy is a really laggy sever try to dps on it =p..  btw the sk was not in dps spec.. he was in his raid tanking spec.. i was tanking the zone first he came on like 3rd named becuse  i was just inviting peeps as they would log in or avaliable in guild. i cant hold agro  off that so he tanked =p.</p><p>if ur so awsome.. where is ur 2 min plus 50k parse.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i dont hit 30k.. cuz i dont use wis line.. althought it makes encounter fights look nice.. it doesnt help me kill peeps in pvp.  or live tanking on raids..  helps with hate.. but dont really need it..  and it really doesnt help my single target dps.. and  naggy is a really laggy sever try to dps on it =p..  btw the sk was not in dps spec.. he was in his raid tanking spec.. i was tanking the zone first he came on like 3rd named becuse  i was just inviting peeps as they would log in or avaliable in guild. i cant hold agro  off that so he tanked =p.</p><p>if ur so awsome.. where is ur 2 min plus 50k parse.</p></blockquote><p>So you cant dps because you have a pvp spec thx for proving my point.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>Just roll a shadowknight. Or paladin if you don't feel like being SK #4259108214503. Personally I started leveling my shadowknight again because I don't raid. To continue to play a guardian is dumb.</p>

[Rotate]

<p>umm i am saying thats my single target dps.. sk put up 40K plus on single target...  if u can do 30k + single target.. show me group encounter with u 50k plus.. u should be able to do it if u dps that high... then i have something to work for and sk's arnt op</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>umm i am saying thats my single target dps.. sk put up 40K plus on single target...  if u can do 30k + single target.. show me group encounter with u 50k plus.. u should be able to do it if u dps that high... then i have something to work for and sk's arnt op</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what you are looking for, maybe something like this for groups</p><p>Allies: (00:37) 868853 dpsVicah 93203 (501)Zindrik 77640 (941)<strong>Blanka 71802 (460)</strong>Drummle 65866 (334)Necik 53931 (681)Velo 53336 (474)Preynar 49643 (355)Eloh 41162 (223)Venez 38735 (23<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />Digg 38227 (234)Aokki 31577 (16<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />Trippyee 31413 (166)Elpolloloco 30835 (177)And something like this single target?</p><p>Allies: (01:54) 549943 dpsDrummle 41940 (616)<strong>Blanka 38980 (85<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></strong>Vicah 38171 (345)Elpolloloco 36583 (800)Digg 33716 (57<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />Zindrik 31776 (543)Venez 31420 (486)Necik 31348 (710)Aokki 29746 (466)Velo 27300 (414)Claudine 24537 (235)Ailerynn 22108 (509)</p>

[Rotate]

<p>if ur avraging 30k single target.. and 60k + encounter.. on raids.. u must have some awsome gear.. or thats some old parses befoore certain buff nerfs.</p><p>parse's i linked. is every day parse.. not once in a while. but like i said if thats every raid parse for you.. thats [Removed for Content] good and must have really nice gear =p..</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if ur avraging 30k single target.. and 60k + encounter.. on raids.. u must have some awsome gear.. or thats some old parses befoore certain buff nerfs.</p><p>parse's i linked. is every day parse.. not once in a while. but like i said if thats every raid parse for you.. thats [Removed for Content] good and must have really nice gear =p..</p></blockquote><p>I linked parses from today</p>

[Rotate]

<p>just got t3 shoulders tonight... before now only was worried about pvp dps.. and umm on raids i am always tanking so didnt worry about dps all that much.. but if u can put up those numbers. i have a goal set =p.</p><p>changed out some adorns.. respected.. debating 2.5 vrs 4.0 for pve dps now.... if ur really doing that dps guess i am gunna have to start picking up differnt things and triyng them out! i know ur sever is ahead of ours and prob less lag.. but psh that is far ahead dps wise then what i see parses on my sever. well i have set a goal to beat it.. will see..</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>just got t3 shoulders tonight... before now only was worried about pvp dps.. and umm on raids i am always tanking so didnt worry about dps all that much.. but if u can put up those numbers. i have a goal set =p.</p><p>changed out some adorns.. respected.. debating 2.5 vrs 4.0 for pve dps now.... if ur really doing that dps guess i am gunna have to start picking up differnt things and triyng them out! i know ur sever is ahead of ours and prob less lag.. but psh that is far ahead dps wise then what i see parses on my sever. well i have set a goal to beat it.. will see..</p></blockquote><p>2.5's, I don't even have T3 shoulders and I seriously doubt there is a major gear advantage as the gear divide has never been smaller in this game.</p>

[circusgirl]

<p>It sounds like the best class for the OP would be monk or bruiser.  Brawlers in general are very flexible, and are very solid tanks in SF.  A long history of having been mediocre tanks in the past has created a playerbase that is very accepting of brawlers as dps in groups.  In a group setting, brawlers typically fall to a similar level as brigands and enchanters dps-wise, minus the utility that those classes bring.  We're certainly not a real dps class, and trying to be pure dps will always leave you behind sorcerers, predators, swashies, etc., but if you're looking for a tank that can join a group as dps on occassion then you can certainly do that as a monk or bruiser.</p>

[Rotate]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rotate@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>just got t3 shoulders tonight... before now only was worried about pvp dps.. and umm on raids i am always tanking so didnt worry about dps all that much.. but if u can put up those numbers. i have a goal set =p.</p><p>changed out some adorns.. respected.. debating 2.5 vrs 4.0 for pve dps now.... if ur really doing that dps guess i am gunna have to start picking up differnt things and triyng them out! i know ur sever is ahead of ours and prob less lag.. but psh that is far ahead dps wise then what i see parses on my sever. well i have set a goal to beat it.. will see..</p></blockquote><p>2.5's, I don't even have T3 shoulders and I seriously doubt there is a major gear advantage as the gear divide has never been smaller in this game.</p></blockquote><p>yep i figured u prob using 2.5 delay faster hits take more advantage of other class's buffs..  in raids..  i liked when we got 4 delay tho.. made it easier to parse.. ca lag so bad soemtimes.. with 4 delay weapons.. i can only cast 1 ca between auto attacks without interupting my auto attack.. with 2.5 delays at times its just better not to hit ca's cuz it will just make the auto attack stay at end of bar for a sec or 2 after. some days lag is fine.. buy  most days.. ca lag blows on naggy sever..  pvpn in bgs compared to open pvp on our sever .. lag is night and day.. lol. i took out my dd damage proc aadorns on weapons and put crit bonus.. and changed spec to be more dps oriented kinda like urs.. will see if it helps my parse any on raids =p.</p><p>p.s lags not always that bad tho.. jusst normaly when an x4 is a zone. its =p. two guilds in same raid zone on our sever = for laggy night. lol one night we were picking up another guilds dps parse on our act.. they were raiding same zone. laggy as hell too =p.  but normal i get 2 cas between 4 delay weapons.. but i swear always seems like some lag going on. =/. i am gunna try to hit those numbers!</p>