Potency, Ability mod, Crit bonus, and Wards [Archive]

Baccalarium

04-04-2010, 03:15 PM

Experimented while still using Ancestral Ward 7(Master) and Umbral Ward 6(Master) (yes haven't converted mythic yet) and stripping down to a few items so caps wouldn't effect this and came up with a forumla that matched the actual ward values for the gear combinations I tried.Group Ward = ( 3884 * (1+ Potency) + Ability Mod ) Group Ward Crit = ( 3884 * ( 1+ Potency) + Ability Mod ) * (1 + ( .3 + Crit Bonus ) / 2 )Single Target = ( 2100 * ( 1 + Potency + Prophetic Spirit ) + Ability Mod )Single Target Crit = ( 2100 * ( 1+ Potency + Prophetic Spirit ) + Ability Mod ) * ( 1 + ( .3 + Crit Bonus + Prophetic Spriit ) /2 ) When entering percentages in forumla write as a decimal. E.G. 5% = 0.05 For example with 10% Prophetic Spirit, 12.68% Potency, Crit bonus of 21.6% and Ability mod of 200, a single target ward critical is( 2100 * ( 1 + .1268 + .1 ) + 200 ) * ( 1 + ( .3 + .216 + .1 ) /2 ) = ( 2100 * 1.2268 ) + 200 ) * ( 1 + (.616 ) / 2 ) = ( 2576 + 200 ) * ( 1.308 )= 2776 * ( 1.308 )=3631 (measured value is 3633 attributed to roundoff)Yes Wisdom still has no affect unless you have the Epic Weapon.Was curious to note that the crit bonus provided by Prophetic spirit is included in the 50% reduction of ward crits.I have very bad luck with getting tables to show up right on these forums, and if it doesn't show I'm not going to fight it today. But table included below.Various combination of the following equipment where used to test:Demitrik's Healing Hoop (just for crit chance )Ancestral Pauldrons (12.7% potency )Sundered Karborite Crystal +125 Ability ModSymbol of Najenar Dominance +75 Ability ModDelahnas' Chain Leggings of Wisdom 10.8 Crit BonusChest of the Spectral Wight 10.8 Crit BonusWhile all the gears off anyway:Ancestral Ward 8 (Expert) base appears to be 2111.Umbral Warding 7 (Expert) base appears to be 3865.<div></div><table cellspacing="0" frame="VOID" rules="NONE"><colgroup><col width="116"></col><col width="115"></col><col width="115"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col><col width="86"></col></colgroup> <tbody><tr><td width="116" height="18" align="LEFT">Stats</td> <td width="115" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="115" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT">Ancestral 7</td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT">Umbral 6</td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td> <td width="86" align="LEFT"></td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td> <td align="LEFT"></td></tr> <tr><td height="18" align="LEFT">Potency</td> <td align="LEFT">Prophetic Spirit</td> <td align="LEFT">Ability Mod</td> <td align="LEFT">Default Crit</td> <td align="LEFT">Crit bonus</td> <td align="LEFT">Base</td> <td align="LEFT">Normal</td> <td align="LEFT">Crit</td> <td align="LEFT">Base</td> <td align="LEFT">Normal</td> <td align="LEFT"></td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2310</td> <td align="RIGHT">2772</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4432</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.80%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2310</td> <td align="RIGHT">2897</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4640</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">21.60%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2310</td> <td align="RIGHT">3021</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4848</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">200</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">21.60%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2510</td> <td align="RIGHT">3283</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4054</td> <td align="RIGHT">5100</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">12.69%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">21.60%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2576</td> <td align="RIGHT">3370</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4343</td> <td align="RIGHT">5464</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">12.68%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">200</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">21.60%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2776</td> <td align="RIGHT">3631</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4543</td> <td align="RIGHT">5715</td></tr> <tr><td height="17" align="RIGHT">12.68%</td> <td align="RIGHT">10.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0</td> <td align="RIGHT">30.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">0.00%</td> <td align="RIGHT">2100</td> <td align="RIGHT">2576</td> <td align="RIGHT">3092</td> <td align="RIGHT">3854</td> <td align="RIGHT">4343</td> <td align="RIGHT">4994</td></tr></tbody></table>

Arcanemundi

04-05-2010, 03:12 PM

2111 for Ancestral Ward VII is what I got too. Can someone confirm what the base amount of Ancestral Ward (Master) is? I couldn't find it on Players, and the screenie on ZAM is wrong. I thought it was 2412.

Hene

04-05-2010, 04:17 PM

<cite>Arcanemundi@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>2111 for Ancestral Ward VII is what I got too. Can someone confirm what the base amount of Ancestral Ward (Master) is? I couldn't find it on Players, and the screenie on ZAM is wrong. I thought it was 2412.</blockquote>Expert is 2111Master is 2412Here is a screenie <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (btw, I was in DPS stance and AAs in the ward increase which nets to 0% potency, it is all the same, verified that getting out of and stance and resetting AA)<img src="http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4764/wards.png" />

Gahnand

04-05-2010, 09:48 PM

if u want to find the base just roll a toon of a different class (not just subclass, defiler wont work) and then link the item to the toon u rolled. Without any class abilities u can see the base amount. The alternative is to take off all ur gear, reset all of ur AAs, and make sure all ur buffs r down.

Arcanemundi

04-06-2010, 11:21 PM

Yeah I know how to do that Gahnand, just didn't have a link string for the item since none are on broker. /editI forgot I could have looked up the item on LootDB to get the link: aITEM -1486852957 -1748566655:Ancestral Ward VIII (Master)/adoh

Arcanemundi

04-06-2010, 11:22 PM

Oh, and thanks alot Hene!